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jaacoppi | I've been trying to install CodeReader from Harbour but keep getting "Problem with installing". Another app installed fine. Any ideas? | 06:28 |
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Yaniel | what is this huge pixelated mouse cursor I keep seeing when swiping out of apps | 07:14 |
Yaniel | (appears briefly on the app cover) | 07:15 |
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urs | Yaniel: I noticed that too, since the update of yliaavanlampi. But it's incredibly hard to get a screenshot of. :) | 07:16 |
tbr | wasn't that a known problem? | 07:16 |
tbr | just like the black covers | 07:17 |
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lainwir3d | whoa :-| | 08:44 |
lainwir3d | my jolla shut down :-| | 08:44 |
lainwir3d | and didn't want to wake up at all | 08:44 |
lainwir3d | until I removed the battery | 08:44 |
lainwir3d | wtf | 08:44 |
Nicd- | it was so sleepy | 08:44 |
lainwir3d | got really scared honestly | 08:44 |
lainwir3d | yeah, that | 08:44 |
lainwir3d | but we got to bed early and it was fine for the past hour | 08:45 |
Ponchale | hi I'm buying a phone Jolla but would have to be sent to Colombia | 08:45 |
lainwir3d | I told it him to have breakfast but he didn't listen to me. He must have collapsed :-( | 08:45 |
lainwir3d | hi | 08:45 |
kjetilho | Ponchale: have you checked the mobile frequencies match up? | 08:46 |
Ponchale | no | 08:46 |
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entil | you may want to make sure the phone works as a phone in your country | 08:47 |
entil | otherwise it's just a small tablet | 08:47 |
Nicd- | the GSM frequencies match at least | 08:48 |
Nicd- | 850 and 1900 | 08:48 |
Nicd- | also LTE 2600 but if it works or not I can't guarantee | 08:49 |
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Ponchale | i am have BlackBerry z10 | 08:51 |
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Ponchale | sorry hehehe i have blackberry z10 | 08:51 |
Ponchale | It's a little late here in Colombia and 3:52 a.m. | 08:52 |
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entil | is anyone working on an uber client for sailfish? https://developer.uber.com/ | 09:24 |
chem|st | entil: you better ask that in the devel channel or on TMO | 09:24 |
entil | myeah | 09:28 |
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tadzik | oh, it'd be nice if there was one, the android app is abysmal | 09:35 |
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entil | taxis are ridiculously expensive in finland but I haven't tried uber yet because android ;P | 09:36 |
tadzik | well, the app works :) | 09:36 |
tadzik | (just very badly) | 09:36 |
entil | I'm concerned about the reports about it leaking data | 09:36 |
entil | an opensource sailfish app would be somewhat safer | 09:37 |
chem|st | entil: you care about the app when there are reports of sexual harrassment and even abuse are reported? | 09:38 |
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entil | we hear those reports about swedish taxis, got to take a lot of that with a grain of salt | 09:38 |
entil | this is not justifying crimes, but I doubt uber is the rape magnet the conservative taxi industry makes it out to be | 09:39 |
tadzik | . o O ( you care about linux while Reiser killed his wife? ) | 09:39 |
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ninnnu_ | tadzik: You don't have to use Reiserfs. Personally, I've never used it, although just because ext4 is just too "easy" :P | 09:40 |
chem|st | tadzik: I don't care if he killed his wife, the last drone strike hit more people and israel is still bullying palestine... | 09:40 |
tbr | I think we can consider this topic thoroughly godwin'd | 09:41 |
tadzik | tbr: yay, my job here is done | 09:41 |
tadzik | ninnnu_: I did, in my "let's pick some obscure software to use for a change" phase :) | 09:41 |
chem|st | entil: the news had lots of concerns by conventional taxi companies and their association, then months nothing about it, all for a sudden more and more reports about uber hit the news | 09:41 |
entil | I was really into reiser4 when it was a thing | 09:41 |
entil | chem|st: I suspect a lot of it is smearing and nothing more, at least in finland we have a long history of people trying to break the taxi monopoly where taxi drivers assault drivers who compete against them | 09:42 |
entil | chem|st: as for the case in india, it's not an uber thing, india is severely screwed when it comes to crimes against women - that is just a convenient scapegoat for the taxi industry to smear over uber | 09:43 |
tadzik | I'd feel safer driving with a potential rapist when the entire city can track his and mine location in real time, as opposed to driving with some random driver who happened to have a Taxi sign on his car where I happened to look for one | 09:43 |
entil | besides, uber has the same incentives as everyone else to keep their drivers legit | 09:43 |
chem|st | uber is what, google again? | 09:45 |
tadzik | no, just random startup founders iirc, unrelated to google | 09:46 |
chem|st | being traceable in real time on the internets sounds so like NSA... | 09:46 |
joonahoi | entil: about rs4, i was too. and it actually was pretty awesome in speed with large operations with shitloads of small files | 09:46 |
joonahoi | though it wasn't too reliable, so storing anything valuable on it was risky | 09:46 |
entil | that's no different from trad. taxis.. at least here they are monitored by gps and the central keeps tabs on where they pick people up. you can order one by sms, so they have your contact info (lest you use a prepaid sim) and probably the same applies to taxis you order by phone | 09:47 |
tadzik | in unrelated news: https://github.com/S0lll0s/themer desktop ambiances, kinda | 09:47 |
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tadzik | and they remember your real name, those real taxis | 09:47 |
tadzik | I call them, order a taxi, and they say "Mr. tadzik, right?" | 09:47 |
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entil | so my only grudge with uber is the allegations that their app pulls more data out of your phone than required by the service :P | 09:48 |
tadzik | classic android | 09:49 |
fennekki | there's some ethical concerns with uber in general but not with the app itself I guess | 09:49 |
entil | and to be fair they may never have leaked data (because allegations) and they may have fixed it etc | 09:50 |
tadzik | I think they're more ethiconomical | 09:50 |
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entil | ethiconomical? | 09:51 |
tadzik | I made a hybrid of ethical and economical, as I think in this case ethics is used to hide monopoly and greed behind a noble value | 09:53 |
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SfietKontantinW | speaking about android and privacy: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ubuntu-touch-privacy-default-alexander-hanff | 09:56 |
chem|st | In Germany there are some areas where it is pretty hard to get in as transport service if you do not follow rules of the local taxi association - also taxi business is regulated by laws that also apply to public transport. The main argument here is that they do not follow these regulations and therefor try circumvent the system by trying to "not to be" a taxi | 09:56 |
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Ikarus | I wouldn't want an Amsterdam where uber was the taxi of choice.... | 09:58 |
chem|st | Germany has too many laws... but otoh it is kind of nice to know that your driver had to pass a medical examination qualifing him has driver in public transport (did that myself once) | 09:59 |
Ikarus | chem|st: medical, a valid taxi meter and a further exam of his driving skills here | 10:00 |
Ikarus | but also it limits the number of taxis in cities that barely can handle cars at all | 10:00 |
tadzik | some of it sounds like what corporate IT thinks about open source | 10:01 |
Ikarus | tadzik: well, except you can get certified FOSS | 10:01 |
Ikarus | it's why Redhat and such do good buisness | 10:01 |
chem|st | Ikarus: yeah the medical examination includes a multi-tasking reaction time test | 10:01 |
tadzik | yeah, good thing most of what we use is written by certified FOSS programmers :) | 10:01 |
Ikarus | also note that insurance doesn't cover such commercial use as you do when offering services via Uber | 10:02 |
Ikarus | so you violate both the law (you need insurance) and the contract when you drive for Uber | 10:02 |
Ikarus | We had a fun discussion on this at uni | 10:03 |
tadzik | hm, interesting | 10:03 |
Nicd- | tadzik: using FOSS is usually not a thing that might lead to death or injury ;) | 10:04 |
Ikarus | commercial insurance for carrying people not regularly associated with you or your buisness is about 3-5x more expensive | 10:04 |
chem|st | tadzik: it is more certificates in general... | 10:04 |
* Stskeeps spends his sick leave blogging: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2015/03/some-doubts-about-gpl-licensing-and-bq.html | 10:05 | |
chem|st | Nicd-: but commercial licenses forbid such things... I always wanted to build a cruise missle with an iPod... but their terms are so stricked ab0ut it | 10:05 |
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flux | stskeeps, hey, it's great if ubuntu and jolla start to compete who has a more open operating system on their devices :P | 10:08 |
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Ikarus | the non-cruise missile stuff and such is a weird interpretation of the wassenaar arrangement | 10:09 |
Stskeeps | flux: none of us are angels but a bit of due dilligence never hurts.. | 10:09 |
* Ikarus accidentally wrote code that was covered under that arrangement | 10:10 | |
phdeswer | note to Stskeeps : We have not been very good at making the source code available in the past either. And it still is a bit hidden on sailfish.org atm | 10:10 |
Stskeeps | phdeswer: sure | 10:10 |
Stskeeps | but there's a clear source code offer for a very boring dvd | 10:10 |
Stskeeps | this isn't about that | 10:10 |
phdeswer | True | 10:10 |
Nicd- | so what does that blog post actually mean? that the phone is claimed to be GPL but a lot of it is not? or? | 10:10 |
Nicd- | s/phone/software on the phone/ | 10:10 |
Stskeeps | Nicd-: as a regular consumer, i cannot legally go and remotely touch the source code of the kernel and related bits, it seems | 10:11 |
Stskeeps | not to mention that license headers like that built into kernel is for sure not good | 10:11 |
phdeswer | Or Canonical is distributing code they cannot legally distribute... | 10:11 |
phdeswer | Technically you should go ask Mediatek what they think of it ;) | 10:12 |
tadzik | hahaah. "Let's try to grep for confidential: <wall of text>" | 10:12 |
tadzik | nice | 10:13 |
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phdeswer | Well Mediatek... one of the most notorious GPL violators. Same crap company which bit the fairphone in the ass I believe. | 10:18 |
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* keesj is going to talk a little about that in about 2 hours at CeBIT | 10:45 | |
Stskeeps | keesj: giving a talk or? | 10:46 |
keesj | yea | 10:46 |
Stskeeps | hm, i should really go to cebit again sometime | 10:46 |
Stskeeps | i exhibited there while on university | 10:46 |
keesj | the train ride was nice | 10:46 |
Stskeeps | cebit was last time i tried to use my german and almost ended up at police station because of a misunderstanding between me and a taxi driver..:P | 10:47 |
keesj | remids me of the maemo days in berlin around LinuxTag | 10:47 |
kjetilho | you had a "fracas" with the driver? ;) | 10:47 |
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keesj | for Fairphone we released a building kernel and some userland code | 10:49 |
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keesj | I mean running! | 10:50 |
entil | tadzik: had to go afk, but in the uk they've had uber-like companies (said a friend in oxford) without any issues, so I wouldn't be too cynical about the matter... people need transportation | 10:55 |
phdeswer | keesj: you seem to have the same problem with fairphone kernel. Full of confidential Mediatek stuff | 11:03 |
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tadzik | entil: oh, I'm not cynical, I'm quite a fan of Uber | 11:06 |
tadzik | it's just better service, I'm not using it because it's borderline illegal or just plain cheaper | 11:06 |
* Stskeeps just wants self-driving vehicles without drivers who takes me from A to B | 11:06 | |
tadzik | it's just plain better | 11:06 |
* phdeswer saw some electrical vehicle rental system in Ulm | 11:06 | |
phdeswer | Similar to all the bikes in other places. But then with the cargo capacity and staying dry when it rains | 11:07 |
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* SpeedEvil imagines the Jolla Car. | 11:44 | |
SpeedEvil | Quick, everyone get everyone to buy a tablet, then maybe! | 11:44 |
Stskeeps | i saw a car 'powered by mediatek' at mwc | 11:44 |
Joonaa | can i trade in my android tablet_ | 11:44 |
Joonaa | ?* | 11:44 |
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urs | SpeedEvil: "slide into the drivers seat from the right side to switch the car from 'park' into 'drive'"? | 11:53 |
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SpeedEvil | :) | 11:53 |
urs | also "I'm getting a 4 wheel drive other half for my car." | 11:53 |
Stskeeps | rocket engine TOH | 11:54 |
SpeedEvil | urs: the only problem is flipping it over to use the other wheels | 11:54 |
urs | crazy hippie bus TOH | 11:54 |
SpeedEvil | Well - and belting in securely enough to drive upside down | 11:55 |
chem|st | swipe the dashboard to change the ambience? | 12:07 |
Stskeeps | chem|st: that'd actually sell.. | 12:07 |
chem|st | Stskeeps: Mini has that ambiente light switch.... | 12:08 |
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entil | the wunderbaum app lets you change smellz with swiping | 12:09 |
chem|st | Stskeeps: I know alot of stuff that would sell but industries are slow... | 12:10 |
chem|st | I'd coat everything with CIGS that needs power... including but not limited to cars | 12:12 |
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minimec | entil: yeah... and the wunderbaum app has that package dependency on wackeldackel.rpm ... ;) http://www.autobild.de/artikel/autozubehoer-spiessige-extras-fuers-auto-1328254.html | 12:13 |
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phdeswer | tbr: before I forget, since weather is decent again, do you still need my help to check out your 6 wheeler? | 12:18 |
RavenholmDX | Just got offered a contract position in London | 12:18 |
Stskeeps | RavenholmDX: congrats | 12:19 |
RavenholmDX | crazy money, but not going to give up a permanent-role for a contract | 12:19 |
Stskeeps | ah, but the joyous moments of being an expensive consultant..:P | 12:19 |
Stskeeps | helped pay my mortgage nicely | 12:19 |
RavenholmDX | Stskeeps, the money is fantastic, £350 per day | 12:19 |
RavenholmDX | but if it was here in Ireland, I'd jump at it | 12:20 |
Stskeeps | not bad | 12:20 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:20 |
RavenholmDX | but moving to another country with no job security | 12:20 |
Stskeeps | at 350 a day you could live in a quite nice hotel while doing so | 12:20 |
RavenholmDX | not my cup of tea unfortunately :P | 12:20 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:20 |
RavenholmDX | lol | 12:20 |
RavenholmDX | I could, but I'd need to keep my apartment in Dublin then | 12:21 |
chem|st | RavenholmDX: you are limiting yourself... from dublin to london is a distance that is well within one country compared to others and you do not have a language barrier, at least not like moving to a completely foreign one | 12:23 |
entil | minimec: aww :) | 12:24 |
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RavenholmDX | chem|st, I know, I wouldn't make the move for a non-perm role though | 12:39 |
RavenholmDX | considering I'm in a decent paying perm role now | 12:39 |
RavenholmDX | I had a good 2014 too, so it'll get better | 12:40 |
RavenholmDX | just the way the Euro is now | 12:40 |
RavenholmDX | making me reconsider my options | 12:40 |
RavenholmDX | I can move to the UK and have more purchasing power | 12:40 |
RavenholmDX | move back when the Euro gets stronger in a few years | 12:40 |
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tbr | phdeswer: heh, funny enough, today we started talking about bringing it back from hibernation | 13:22 |
phdeswer | tbr: well ping me if you need some help. I might have some time this weekend | 13:23 |
tbr | sounds good, I might take you up on that | 13:23 |
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servalex | Hi! Set up new jolla phone yesterday - login in, go through tutorial, update, go through tutorial again. I encounter couple weird thins | 14:37 |
servalex | there's bluetouth icon on lock screen although i already turned it off | 14:38 |
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servalex | is it common issue? | 14:38 |
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SfietKontantinW | servalex: it is weired | 14:39 |
nazanin | servalex: turn it on and off again, see if the icon persists to stay on lockscreen | 14:39 |
nazanin | turn bluetooth on and off that is | 14:39 |
servalex | nazanin: done that already, doesn't change | 14:40 |
toerb | has anyone ordered a jolla phone in the last 10 days? | 14:40 |
Joonaa | servalex try rebooting :P | 14:40 |
servalex | didn't try rebooting yet | 14:40 |
nazanin | servalex: turn on flight mode and then off before rebooting | 14:41 |
servalex | :) | 14:41 |
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iluminator105 | is a new jolla phone coming | 14:41 |
nazanin | so turn bluetooth off, and then turn flight mode on and off and see if the icon on lockscreen disappears | 14:41 |
servalex | nope, flight mode doesn't help | 14:42 |
nazanin | *sigh* | 14:42 |
servalex | ok that's not that important, at least to me | 14:42 |
nazanin | just reboot then | 14:42 |
Teme | Ikarus: even if it is, i doubt anyone here would tell you ;) but at this time it's not announced | 14:43 |
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servalex | there's another thing and i guess it's because i made some simple mistake: enabled developer mode today, but i can't set the root password | 14:44 |
Joonaa | jolla 3 confirmed? | 14:44 |
servalex | i might launched some app before going through tutorial for the second time, could this be the reason? | 14:45 |
Joonaa | i hope not.. | 14:45 |
ninnnu_ | Joonaa: jolla 2 episode 1 | 14:46 |
Joonaa | ahh darn it | 14:46 |
tadzik | http://i.imgur.com/FhDCBiu.gif | 14:52 |
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servalex | is it normal that after setting root password in developer mode, going to all settings and back to developer mode section, password field is empty, even without dots? | 15:36 |
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chem|st | servalex: yes | 15:42 |
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wtw | any experiences with replacing a faulty speaker? anybody tried this: https://together.jolla.com/question/39900/no-sound-through-speaker/?answer=62574#post-id-62574 ? | 17:00 |
wtw | mine has died for the third time... | 17:01 |
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Pilke | wtw: I have :P | 17:14 |
Pilke | lol it's my post | 17:15 |
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Pilke | Still works... well I hope if my Jolla recovers from dropping it into pond today | 17:19 |
Pilke | wtw: Anyway harder side of the task is to find the replacement than replacing itself | 17:20 |
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wtw | Pilke: what about the S720e that's mentioned in the thread? it's available in ebay | 17:25 |
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wtw | (by HTC) | 17:26 |
wtw | or rather for an HTC | 17:27 |
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Pilke | wtw: Yes there is link to the one I use in the comments | 17:27 |
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wtw | i found this on German ebay, but idk if it's the same http://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-HTC-One-X-Desire-S-G12-G14-G18-S720e-Lautsprecher-Hoermuschel-Speaker-Buzzer-/261226260142 | 17:27 |
wtw | however, I don't even have a torx screwdriver so the repair will have to wait anyways... | 17:28 |
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Pilke | As mentioned in my post I did order two and difference in quality is big | 17:30 |
wtw | lol, just tried pressing with the force of 1000 suns against the speaker holder area | 17:31 |
wtw | and it worked, at least temporarily | 17:31 |
wtw | thanks for your insight, I'll see what I can do | 17:31 |
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sledges | anyone up for testing a mini app on jolla1 to help nexus5 camera porters? | 17:48 |
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Morpog_PC | sure | 17:48 |
sledges | Morpog_PC: cool, here's a tl;dr to compile it natively on device: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803#c2 | 17:49 |
merbot | Nemo bug 803 in Hybris-ing "[hammerhead] taking photos works only when cameraplus is started while the phone is being charged" [Major,New] | 17:49 |
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jarkko_ | wtf, the camera in my jolla crashed. "camera is not responding. Wait / Close." Had to reboot the phone. After that it deleted all my photos and videos. | 20:32 |
Stskeeps | sure they're actually gone and not just tracker? | 20:32 |
jarkko_ | or at least they don't show up in the gallery, or sweeping left to right in the camera. | 20:32 |
Stskeeps | check if they're gone or not | 20:32 |
jarkko_ | Stskeeps: not sure. How do I check that? | 20:32 |
Stskeeps | well, the terminal is a good start and ls -lR /home/nemo :) | 20:33 |
phdeswer | jarkko_: command line or file browser | 20:33 |
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jarkko_ | ah, ok, simple enough. | 20:33 |
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jarkko_ | ok the photos are there (phew). What can I do to the tracker? Pointers to instructions welcome, no need to explain it here :) | 20:34 |
Stskeeps | start with looking at together.* | 20:35 |
tbr | phdeswer: woke up the tank, engine seems to run ok. Oil looked ok, but want to refill some. It was behaving a bit weird before the winter. I'm going to give it a short ride tomorrow and if that checks out would come by during the weekend at a convenient time for you. :-) | 20:36 |
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phdeswer | tbr: Sounds ok. Might be out for a while on Saturday or Sunday. Will try to get that scheduled and then we can agree something. I'll put some beers cold also. | 20:37 |
phdeswer | jarkko_: if you're lucky tracker recovers on reboot. Otherwise there is some tracker-control reset command. | 20:37 |
tbr | phdeswer: sounds nice, I have no plans, so can accomodate yours | 20:37 |
phdeswer | tbr: ok. Will keep you informed | 20:38 |
tbr | didn't that control app have a tracker option too? | 20:40 |
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