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kimmoli | http://www.ibuyla.com/Product/43313311334/Aigo_Patriot_X86_WIFI_16GB_7.9_inch_Tablet_PC_Intel_quad_core_MIUI_system | 05:33 |
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tiwake | only 16 gigs? | 05:34 |
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locusf | hmm look at it, looks disturbingly similar to Jolla tablet | 05:34 |
tiwake | but expensive | 05:35 |
locusf | sure | 05:35 |
tiwake | and android | 05:35 |
kimmoli | http://www.atupapa.com/30837100030en.html | 05:35 |
kimmoli | more pics | 05:35 |
kimmoli | cheaper | 05:35 |
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chem|st | kimmoli: lol, that is apart of the buttons/connectors position a 1:1 copy^^ | 12:00 |
kimmoli | doesnt those also match? | 12:01 |
chem|st | headphone? | 12:01 |
chem|st | not sure right now | 12:01 |
chem|st | uSD and uUSB fit | 12:02 |
kimmoli | headphone is in that corner | 12:03 |
dr_gogeta86 | kimmoli, i think is it | 12:03 |
dr_gogeta86 | also battery is the same | 12:03 |
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chem|st | kimmoli: they probably do it like Nike Fab did... charge 50% more for materials and order that 50% actually and produce the same in a third shift just with another lable | 12:05 |
chem|st | label | 12:05 |
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mornfall | chem|st: which might be how they turn profits, given the cutthroat pricing for work | 12:32 |
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chem|st | mornfall: that is about to change for china though, manufacturers move to cheaper countries | 13:57 |
chem|st | and cutthroat pricing for work... what do they need the extra profit for than other to make the rich more rich? | 13:58 |
mornfall | it's probably not extra profit, it's the *only* profit | 14:02 |
mornfall | no profit -> shop closes | 14:02 |
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iekku | collaboration meeting starting in 7 minutes at #mer-meeting | 14:53 |
Taaeem | https://twitter.com/Vsenn_Official/status/580324404120424448 | 14:54 |
Taaeem | https://twitter.com/Vsenn_Official/status/580070230728245248 | 14:54 |
Taaeem | Why is Jolla not working together with Vsenn, it seems they would want to build a partnership. They have a nice idea for a modular phone, would be great hardware for sailfish os | 14:54 |
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iekku | Taaeem, thanks for pinging | 14:55 |
Taaeem | iekku just wanted to let you know | 14:55 |
SpeedEvil | http://www.equipnet.com/auctions/catalog/exceptional-offering-of-communication-testers%2c-analyzers%2c-oscilloscopes%2c-ge/656/ :/ | 14:56 |
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scottc | anyone around here actively submitting apps to the store? | 15:02 |
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merlin1991 | Hm I'm actively waiting for qtpositioning to be allowed | 15:20 |
tadzik | I submat an app once, I got a rejection quite quickly due to bad naming :) | 15:22 |
tadzik | then our party switched to D&D 5e, so a 3.5 spell list I don't need anymore | 15:22 |
SfietKonstantinW | merlin1991: what is interesting in QtPositionning vs Location ? | 15:22 |
merlin1991 | Or was it location, id use either | 15:23 |
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merlin1991 | But afaik still both not allowed | 15:23 |
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iekku | tadzik, if i were still playing, i would love to have that kind of app | 15:25 |
iekku | merlin1991, are you participating to collaboration meeting? | 15:25 |
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tadzik | iekku: I think I even fixed all the issues, but didn't bother to submit it again | 15:25 |
tadzik | iekku: I also managed to extract/parse the spells from the public PDF with Basic Rules from 5e, and ended up with a nice JSON full of them | 15:26 |
tadzik | that, however, is basically breaking the copyright of WoTC | 15:26 |
merlin1991 | iekku: only lurling since on the phone | 15:26 |
tadzik | or whoever published that | 15:26 |
iekku | tadzik, :nod: | 15:26 |
iekku | merlin1991, ok | 15:27 |
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tadzik | 3.5 has a public SRD, 5e has a PDF that says "distribution of this content is prohibited" | 15:27 |
tadzik | so if I do write such app I'll probably never publish it, or at least not to the Store | 15:28 |
lainwir3d__ | :o | 15:28 |
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lainwir3d__ | i was playing to do a 5e app | 15:29 |
tadzik | you can do an app alright, but good luck with the content :P | 15:29 |
lainwir3d__ | hmmm | 15:29 |
tadzik | well, feel free to use https://github.com/tadzik/5e-spells | 15:29 |
tadzik | before I get a DMCA request on it :P | 15:29 |
lainwir3d__ | well you could just implements the mechanism and include a way for the use to enter spells | 15:29 |
lainwir3d__ | or.... allow him to import a xml :P | 15:30 |
lainwir3d__ | that could be provided on a russian server lol | 15:30 |
tadzik | haha | 15:30 |
lainwir3d__ | haha ok i'll clone it now :P | 15:30 |
jaacoppi | scottc: actively? I'm about to submit my first | 15:33 |
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scottc | jaacoppi: cool! I've got a couple written but haven't submitted any yet, was hoping to hear others' experiences | 15:51 |
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jaacoppi | I think the general opinion is that Harbour has strict policies | 15:58 |
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jaacoppi | I submitted to openrepos.net first to get user feedback | 15:59 |
scottc | nice, I haven't actually used openrepos much yet | 15:59 |
scottc | only had my Jolla for about a month | 15:59 |
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jaacoppi | same here | 16:00 |
jaacoppi | I prefer the official store | 16:01 |
scottc | the official store is quite good | 16:01 |
jaacoppi | you should check out #sailfishos for dev discussions | 16:01 |
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jaacoppi | official store lacks apps, other than that it's good | 16:02 |
tadzik | it's a lot more pleasant to use, but there are so many good things in openrepos | 16:02 |
scottc | I think it's good that the harbour guidelines are strict, it avoids the situation that the Play Store for Android is in (no offense to the Android guys) | 16:03 |
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scottc | thanks for the tips, jaacoppi! | 16:03 |
tadzik | well, the guidelines are not stopping low-effort apps anywya :) | 16:03 |
scottc | maybe there should be some guidelines about how to write guidelines | 16:04 |
tadzik | but there's no guidelines as to how to write that :( | 16:05 |
tadzik | who guides the guideliners | 16:05 |
ggabriel | tadzik: metaguideliners | 16:05 |
scottc | ha | 16:05 |
scottc | hmm | 16:05 |
ggabriel | also, nothing wrong with low effort applications | 16:05 |
jaacoppi | I'd hoped for better guidelines for ui and ux in general. Stuff on sailfishos.org is mostly for marketing | 16:05 |
ggabriel | if anything, the trouble is whoever downloads them | 16:05 |
scottc | low-effort is fine, low-quality is a problem | 16:05 |
ggabriel | scottc: again, the issue is with the people consuming low quality | 16:06 |
ggabriel | (not to mention that quality is subjective most of the time) | 16:06 |
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tadzik | well, outright confusing UI and crashes are pretty objective :) | 16:08 |
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tadzik | by outright confusing I mean something like Series'Me does, when you can pretty much swipe right indefinitely even though there's no white dot on top, and sometimes you'll end up where you started | 16:09 |
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iekku | jaacoppi, there will be more. we are working with that | 16:09 |
scottc | tadzik: that does sound pretty confusing... | 16:10 |
* scottc downloads | 16:10 | |
tadzik | scottc: it's quite an adventure :) | 16:10 |
tadzik | I tested in Big Bang Theory | 16:10 |
scottc | SailSeries is quite good, not sure if you have used it | 16:10 |
scottc | basic, but good nonetheless | 16:11 |
tadzik | hmmm, maybe that's what I was using? With grey icon? | 16:11 |
scottc | yep, seems like it | 16:11 |
tadzik | I uninstalled it today, whatever it was that I had | 16:11 |
tadzik | oh yes, then this is the Confusing UI that I meant | 16:11 |
tadzik | interesting that we have different experience with it | 16:11 |
scottc | oh yeah, this is quite confusing | 16:11 |
scottc | I never tried to swipe right because I didn't see the white dot ;) | 16:12 |
tadzik | oh, heh | 16:12 |
tadzik | I think swiping left has a similar effect though :D | 16:12 |
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scottc | I usually hit the dot instead of swiping to avoid closing the app due to a misfire :P | 16:13 |
tadzik | heh | 16:13 |
iekku | merlin1991, QtPositioning will be supported in Harbour and there's pull request waitin | 16:18 |
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merlin1991 | iekku: thanks | 16:19 |
scottc | ooh, there is a Telegram app in Warehouse, thanks for reminding me to check it out jaacoppi | 16:20 |
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M4rtinK_jolla_ | iekku: whats the timeline actually once the pull request is merged ? | 17:39 |
M4rtinK_jolla_ | iekku: can we start submitting QtPositioning using apss right away or does something else need to happen ? | 17:40 |
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Sailor8545_ | Hi, my Jolla stopped charging via USB port when I choose charging only, I have to choose PC connection to start charging. | 19:48 |
Sailor8545_ | It happens since this week, last week it didn't happen | 19:49 |
Sailor8545_ | do you know what.could be the issue please? | 19:49 |
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HtheB | Sailor8545_: remove battery, wait a couple minutes | 19:51 |
HtheB | press the power button (so it decharges it) | 19:51 |
HtheB | then put the battery back in, and try again | 19:51 |
Sailor8545 | what? really? known issue? | 19:51 |
Sailor8545 | but charging from power or usb pc connection is fine | 19:52 |
Sailor8545 | only usb charging only | 19:52 |
Sailor8545 | it's odd | 19:52 |
HtheB | maybe it doesnt getenough power | 19:52 |
Sailor8545 | same usb port as always | 19:53 |
Sailor8545 | and I tried different ports too | 19:53 |
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falfa | how do i get rid of the weather app advertisment notification? | 20:07 |
falfa | :-) | 20:07 |
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falfa | it seems unremovable | 20:07 |
Mikaela | licensing probably doesn't allow it to be removed | 20:08 |
falfa | licensing? I've not installed it. | 20:08 |
falfa | so i've not licensed it :-) | 20:08 |
falfa | the notification came with the sailfish upgrade | 20:09 |
tbr | falfa press hold the notification | 20:09 |
falfa | brb | 20:09 |
falfa | a submenu appeared "no thanks" | 20:10 |
tbr | take a guess :) | 20:10 |
falfa | i'd thought "clear all" would've taken care of that, but there i go | 20:11 |
falfa | tbr: thx :-) | 20:11 |
falfa | sailfish is nice. | 20:11 |
Mikaela | maybe we are talking about different thing | 20:11 |
falfa | i dunno | 20:11 |
tbr | the os uses press hold in a few places, it's not /that/ obvious though | 20:11 |
falfa | its okay | 20:11 |
falfa | you learn | 20:11 |
falfa | is sailfish the only os that uses swipes for most things? | 20:12 |
falfa | someone told me that bill phones used it to the same extent, but i'm not convinced | 20:13 |
tbr | WP uses it a bit | 20:13 |
tbr | Ubuntu touch also | 20:13 |
falfa | a bit, thats what i suspected | 20:13 |
falfa | it took me around 1-2 weeks to adapt to sailfish | 20:14 |
falfa | but now android feels primitive and brute | 20:14 |
falfa | i'm not sure swipes are more efficient, it just gives a more elegant feeling | 20:15 |
r0kk3rz | well you could argue that BBOS10 was the original gesture for everything os | 20:15 |
falfa | oh? | 20:15 |
falfa | never used | 20:15 |
r0kk3rz | not many did | 20:16 |
falfa | is bbos10 similar in feel to sailfish? | 20:16 |
attah | wasn't bb10 introduced after meego? | 20:17 |
falfa | the n9 was very pretty | 20:17 |
falfa | thin | 20:17 |
attah | indeed | 20:17 |
falfa | the jolla feels clunky and cheap in comparison | 20:18 |
falfa | but ill stick to it | 20:18 |
attah | it feeels like a samsung almost ;) | 20:18 |
attah | me too, wouldn't have it any other way | 20:18 |
falfa | yeah, the interface wins | 20:19 |
falfa | and it makes me feel like a superior sob | 20:19 |
falfa | snob | 20:19 |
falfa | hmf | 20:19 |
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r0kk3rz | attah: i would, i cant wait until we get some decent hardware | 20:20 |
attah | yeah.. that'll be neat | 20:20 |
attah | honestly its ust the plastic frame around the display that is rally sub-standard | 20:20 |
r0kk3rz | and the battery terminals | 20:21 |
r0kk3rz | mostly the battery terminals | 20:21 |
attah | haven't had that.. | 20:21 |
* attah knocks on wood | 20:21 | |
r0kk3rz | consider yourself lucky then | 20:22 |
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r0kk3rz | because its really annoying when your phone goes from 50% to 5% in 2 seconds | 20:24 |
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attah | sure that's the terminals? | 20:26 |
attah | sounds more like a case of shitty lithium cell to me | 20:27 |
r0kk3rz | well you clean the terminal surfaces to fix the problem | 20:27 |
attah | but.. aren't they gold? | 20:27 |
r0kk3rz | so if they were maybe 0.5mm wider, maybe not so much of an issue | 20:28 |
attah | pogo thingys should be pointy | 20:28 |
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kimmoli | or double.... | 20:29 |
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falfa | or triple | 20:49 |
ShadowJK | if they're pointy, don't you lose alot of power at the tips? | 20:52 |
attah | if they were infinitely pointy, yes :) | 20:55 |
tbr | attah: you can have also corrsosion and surface problems with gold. impurities and all that. even worse if there are different impurities in the surfaces. | 21:04 |
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attah | tbr: exactly, and pointyness, if correctly designed, helps penetrate that | 21:14 |
tbr | yup | 21:17 |
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zetaz | hello all | 21:23 |
zetaz | I got a question from a french member of the community who has trouble with a brand new jolla : what is the sailfish version he has out of the box ? | 21:24 |
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falfa | its readable in the lower part of the config app | 21:25 |
zetaz | by the way, his problem is that after playing with it half an hour, he rebooted it, and from now display doesn't work anymore (hardware ok, as Jolla logo is displayed during boot). Phone still functional as he can call him and the phone rings. | 21:25 |
zetaz | falfa: problem his he can't read the screen, which stays off (or apparently fully white at some point...) | 21:26 |
falfa | well, i guess finding the os version is one of his less pressing problems | 21:26 |
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zetaz | new info : he had done the update... but didn't work since then | 21:26 |
falfa | i had problems with the audio in my device, then i dropped it from 1,5 m on a concrete floor, the audio started again | 21:27 |
falfa | maybe he could try something similar? | 21:27 |
zetaz | falfa: lol ;) | 21:28 |
zetaz | I don't think I will take a chance | 21:28 |
zetaz | I => he | 21:28 |
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zetaz | anyone got a similar problem after an update : screen not working anymore, but phone still working ok ? | 21:29 |
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TTT | hi, quick question. I have added my gmail email, and now all my gmail contacts are in contacts list | 21:37 |
TTT | is there a way to remove them from contacts list? | 21:37 |
TTT | on the other hand, how else can I use google talk to IM them... | 21:37 |
TTT | hmm | 21:37 |
politie | if you go to settings>accounts you can turn off sync for contacts per account | 21:38 |
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politie | dont know if that removes the allready synced contacts | 21:39 |
politie | but would think so | 21:39 |
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TTT | I just removed some contacts from my gmail contacts | 21:46 |
TTT | to be more precise, from my gmail CHAT contacts | 21:46 |
TTT | and they disappeared from my phone | 21:46 |
TTT | the few that remain- I can keep them on the phone, no big deal | 21:46 |
TTT | another question- is it possible to make status like battery, time, signal strength always visible on screen | 21:47 |
TTT | like on android, it's visible on screen in 80% of situations except some full screen games/apps | 21:47 |
politie | run an android launcher | 21:47 |
TTT | but in jolla, it's only visible if I scroll between my lock screen and running app screen | 21:47 |
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politie | i only know of an app that shows batterylife | 21:48 |
politie | called | 21:48 |
politie | let me look | 21:48 |
politie | battery overlay | 21:49 |
TTT | hmm | 21:49 |
politie | but for time and such i dont know | 21:49 |
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TTT | I'll have to look into that. I don't have a watch, so I prefer to have time visible most of the time on my phone, no matter what I'm doing | 21:49 |
TTT | that's the only problem I have so far. | 21:50 |
TTT | I got my jolla 2 days ago | 21:50 |
TTT | I'm quite happy with it so far | 21:50 |
TTT | I expected the experience to be worse (or at least harder to get used to) | 21:50 |
TTT | it's quite well polished for a device made by a small startup... | 21:51 |
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TTT | what do I use to access files on Jolla from linux? | 21:53 |
TTT | can I just mount it? | 21:53 |
TTT | MTP? | 21:54 |
falfa | I use ssh | 21:54 |
politie | i had more luck connecting it to windows | 21:54 |
politie | mtp yea | 21:54 |
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TTT | jmtpfs works fine, "mtpfs" craps out | 21:58 |
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TTT | cool, contact import worked perfectly. | 22:03 |
TTT | now if only there was a native skype app, but since MS bought it, that's just not going to happen... | 22:03 |
TTT | ok, I'll sign off | 22:03 |
TTT | cool phone, i really love it so far | 22:03 |
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falfa | its addictive | 22:10 |
TTT | testing irc from my phone | 22:10 |
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kimmoli | TTT: for time being always visible, get a toholed :) | 22:14 |
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nander | Is it possible to use a windows PC as though it was a bluetooth headset on jolla? | 22:28 |
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Oni^ | vnc? | 22:35 |
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zetaz | I need help ! I am helping someone with this problem : https://together.jolla.com/question/73311/my-jolla-not-booting-after-upgrade-to-vaarainjarvi/?answer=73315#post-id-73315 | 22:42 |
zetaz | but the post that should have the solution is not accessible : https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763#31 | 22:42 |
zetaz | "You're not authorized to access this page." | 22:42 |
zetaz | but I am logged | 22:42 |
zetaz | Anyone knows how to get that info ? | 22:43 |
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zetaz | "[ERROR] Flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing." | 22:46 |
zetaz | Anyone ? ^ | 22:46 |
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kimmoli | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode- | 22:49 |
kimmoli | i assume that page has changed | 22:50 |
kimmoli | propably information can be found there, not sure | 22:50 |
zetaz | kimmoli: thanks, I take a look | 22:51 |
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HtheB | kimmoli: you there? | 23:04 |
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zetaz | kimmoli: thanks for the link. Looks like there is all we need here. It is too late to start this now, so it will be for tommorow | 23:14 |
zetaz | thanks again, you're always helpful ! | 23:15 |
kimmoli | zetaz: np | 23:15 |
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