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betchouHi everyone!! I want just to share here a big thanks for the Jolla developers. :)07:19
Stskeepsthanks to you too for using the phone07:19
betchouCoding!! :P07:23
betchouI just bought a Raspberry also... I was thinking on installing SailfishOS on it.07:23
Stskeepsone or two?07:24
betchouLatest07:24
betchouTwo07:24
Teemusoon you can buy a pi+ poe hat07:24
Teemuworks with at least model b+ and 207:24
entilsailfish runs on the pi? :o07:25
betchouBasically I want to develop an application for controlling leds. :)07:25
Nicd-entil: the newer pi. not the old one07:26
Teemui've got an architecture for you thought out for this07:26
betchouAnd it would be nice to make the same software on the Raspberry or the phone. Just adding some proxy stuff to make the difference.07:26
betchouTeemu: I don't want Arduino. ;)07:27
Teemuno arduinos07:27
Teemuasymmetric crypto and ip protocols07:27
Teemui already did the 8 bit thing some three decades ago07:27
entilNicd-: sweet07:28
Teemuthing is, i've got a student writing his msc thesis on mutually authenticating device identities on top of coap protocol07:29
Teemucoap is used for control and monitoring messaging so i thought that it would be neat to not need other protocols07:29
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tbrcoap seems to be decent07:30
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betchouTeemu: I see07:30
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tbrtoo bad the CC2530 seems to be too constrained for running the contiki coap app07:30
betchouTeemu: But the Raspberry seems a big guy now... No need to optimize much right?07:31
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Teemubetchou: that's true, my role for raspberry pi is to be the local orchestrator which ties different systems together and controls the more dumb things07:32
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betchouTeemu: I have to admit I'm completely newbie in remote control.07:35
Teemuhttps://github.com/temmihoo/just-like-star-trek/blob/master/JLST%20Draft.key/Data/ELL-i%20cloud%20architecture%20attempt-221.png07:36
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Teemusoon another image07:38
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Teemuhttps://imgur.com/pZ7s9MH07:42
betchouTeemu: Have to go for work... X) I'll come back soon for SailfishOS on Raspberry and CoAP to control strip leds remotely. :P07:42
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cchahello, I want to use usb network on windows 7 but rndis device is up online for few minutes. So I installed an linux VM. MTP is OK inside the VM, but how can I create my usb device in the VM ?09:28
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cchaok done, I forget to use developer mode :(10:05
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scottc:)10:11
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ggabrielsoooo, is the tablet ready yet? :D10:13
ggabriel"only" 67 Days, 05 Hours, 45 Minutes, 42 Seconds left10:14
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cchayesterday, I plugged my new sdcard, it mounted, everything was fine. today I rebooted, now sdcard not mounted10:45
cchathere is only /dev/mmcblk1 and no partition10:45
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zuttoccha: out of curiosity, was it a chinese sdcard?10:46
zuttoi have had similar thing happen with "fake" chinese sdcard few times10:46
cchayes10:46
zuttoyou should probably run some sort of flash memory tester on it10:47
cchahow you do that ?10:47
zuttoh2testw is a popular tool to test them10:48
scottcggabriel: I can't wait!10:50
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zuttobut yeah, i had few cards that were formatted as X amount of storage, even tho in reality they just had 4gb of space.. This caused the system to write on non-existing space on the card that corrupts the partition and it simply wont be visible anymore10:51
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cchah2testw is on sialfish ?10:55
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zuttono no, its windows application10:59
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cchaso zutto does your sdcard a fake ?11:26
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cchathere is http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ for linux11:26
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zuttoyuh, that probably works11:27
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juhaj_I wonder where Jolla's "in picking" happens: the website says my phone is "In picking" as it has been ever since I placed the order 9 days ago (after finally getting the voucher code after 5 complaints and 3 weeks from payment of the tablet/phone perk)11:54
juhaj_Yet I hold the phone in my hand.11:54
Nicd-it's been picked up by your hand -> in picking :)11:54
juhaj_Perhaps they are going to send some of those Thai berry pickers who fill up all the forests in Finland in the summer over to my office to pick the phone?11:55
tadzikit's in the woods -> in picknicking11:55
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ppdurn, wrong subscription to get ipv4v6 from dna :(13:08
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baumjust wondering, why can't i buy these things directly in the jolla shop? https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/6TWMNB3514:19
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Nicd-baum: because they are made by kimmoli, not Jolla14:21
kimmoliwut?14:22
baumNicd-: and it's not like jolla can't create it's own PCB right?14:27
baum*can14:28
tiwakebaum: they cant, they outsource PCB development and production14:28
baumwell they could design it - outsource the production of the PCB board too - and sell the boards in their store, right?14:28
tiwakewell sure14:29
tiwakeseems like a lot of hassle though14:29
tiwakethere are companies you get get PCB's cut out for really cheap14:30
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baumwell, right now the hassle is on the people who want to play with their phone. there are basicly two options 1)make your own PCB 2)let a company like oshpark print it for you (and don't forget about the minimum ammount of PCB's to order)...14:31
baumtiwake: any recommendations?14:31
kimmoliitead. 10 pcbs, ~12-15 EUR14:31
tiwakeno, because I forgot what they are and havent actually done it myself XD14:32
kimmoliiirc there are some pcbs left @ devaamo14:32
kimmolii have parts for that specific board.14:33
Teemudevaamo?14:33
kimmolibut the fastest route might be: http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9#!/BreadboardTOH-KIT/p/43271634/category=914109014:33
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baumkimmoli: oh well, thanks. And thanks alot for the work you've put into the board :)14:35
baumitead looks like the way to go14:36
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dr_gogeta86kimmoli, i'm still waiting 3d printed clip14:36
kimmolidr_gogeta86: have i forgot something? ... damn14:36
kimmoligtg bbl14:36
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jcbjoehola15:03
jcbjoei forgot my device passcode do i need to factory reset and if so how do i do this ?15:03
ggabrieldevice passcode = lock code?15:03
jcbjoeyea15:04
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ggabrieli suggest you contact care15:04
tadzikdo they have the masterkey? :)15:05
tadzikthat'd be funny15:05
ggabrielno, they'll probably ask you to send the device15:06
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ggabrieli don't know of any way if you forgot the code15:06
ggabrielthere is a way to recover if you accidentally typed the code wrongly in the general ui with recovery mode15:06
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jcbjoehow15:12
jcbjoei'm trying to right now15:12
jcbjoeim stuk at a jolla logo15:12
ggabrieljcbjoe: if you forgot the password, then there is no point15:12
jcbjoei didn't15:13
jcbjoei have 2/715:13
ggabrielok, i'm confused with what your problem is then15:13
ggabrielyou said "i forgot my device passcode"15:13
jcbjoesi forgot the device lock code15:13
jcbjoewhere you first open up the phone and it ask for the passcode15:13
jcbjoei tried 2 times and i 5 more attempts15:14
jcbjoebut at this point i don't want to perm lock it15:14
jcbjoeso now i need to get into recovery mode15:14
ggabrielok, so there's no point entering recovery mode if you don't know the password15:14
ggabrielrecovery mode is going to ask for the same password before a factory reset15:14
jcbjoehttps://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/15:15
jcbjoeso will this help ?15:15
ggabrieli don't think so as you aren't stuck in a boot loop15:15
jcbjoeim stuck at the jolla logo on my phone15:17
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ggabrielare you stuck at the logo or at the input for the code?15:21
jcbjoeno15:21
jcbjoei was stuck at the jolla logo15:21
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jcbjoei did a battery pull15:21
ggabrielright...15:21
ggabrielcan you shut it down by pressing the power button rather than removing the battery?15:21
jcbjoeno15:22
jcbjoeit didn't let me15:22
ggabrielhave you pressed it long enough?15:22
ggabriel(~30 seconds)15:23
jcbjoeholding power dosen't work15:24
ggabrielok, you can try recovery mode and see what happens15:24
jcbjoeyes15:24
jcbjoei need help with that15:24
ggabrielthere's an article in jolla.zendesk.com that explains exactly how to do it15:24
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Nicd-baum: jolla probably has bigger things to worry about than that16:28
Nicd-that's pretty niche stuff even for jolla users16:29
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tbrbaum: I might still have some unpopulated PCBs against P&P.16:36
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baumNicd-: worry about what?16:40
baumtbr: ah well thanks, but about an hour too late - i already ordered a dozend of PCBs via express16:41
tbr:)16:41
tbrI wouldn't have had that many anyway16:41
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* baum only ordered that many since he hates to pay more for shipping than the product =P16:43
tbr:>16:45
Nicd-baum: like SFOS 2.0, the tablet, phone upgrades, support etc etc etc16:47
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baumwhat i didn't quite get though - why are the pins that far appart? if all of them would be at one spot connecting them would be a way easier16:48
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baumNicd-: yes, but what did i mention they should worry about?16:49
Nicd-designing a PCB, making contracts for manufacture, quality control, logistics...16:50
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Teemuare they not selling 3rd party products already in the store?16:53
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jcbjoein customer care can i create a ticket ?16:54
Nicd-yes but those are most likely vastly more popular than a pcb16:54
baumah well, that's nothing to worry about, i just wanted to mention that this would be nice - since all i see in the jolla store are different coloured TOHs (which requires the same ammount of logistics, QC and so on). Having atleast a PCB there would probably aim a bit more on jollas target customer16:54
Nicd-I don't think hardware geeks are jolla's target customers16:55
Teemui'm with nicd- on this16:55
ggabrieljcbjoe: you can email care@jolla.com16:55
baumNicd-: and still they are the ones who carry on with the TOH concept (unlike the company does itselfe)16:56
baummeans the goal should be to get as many hardware geeks interested as possible16:56
ggabrieltohkbd has some support from jolla16:57
ggabrielbut i guess you have to have something good first to get interest16:57
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ggabrieli think there are too many things to look at and too few eyes to focus16:57
baumbut speaking of the target-audience - how did that angry-bird thing fit into the pattern? (didn't realy get the idea behind that)17:00
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Nicd-I think it was more for them (building partnerships) than for us17:03
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jcbjoei tried to put my jolla in recovery mode but it fails .. it seems like its working but i can't telnet to it17:14
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FiXionanyone know how jolla handles android apps requests for access to sms'es etc. ?19:47
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* Ikarus grmbls something about lack of official NFC access20:06
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kimmolidont. it is unusable anyway for almost anything else than TOH...20:11
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rigokimmoli: my N9 does brilliant data transfer using NFC20:12
Ikaruskimmoli: I was hoping to tie it to a yubikey neo20:13
kimmolithat is N9...20:13
jcbjoeis customer care closed .. i sent a ticket a few hours ago and nobody is answering or getting back to me20:13
kimmolipropably at these hours..20:13
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r0kk3rzkimmoli: need to make that nfc toh20:15
kimmolisure20:15
kimmolii need to build first my iobbq20:16
r0kk3rziobbq20:16
r0kk3rztweeting bbq?20:16
kimmoliyou got it20:16
r0kk3rzyou need an omgqtfbbq first20:16
scottcjcbjoe: it's late in finland :)20:17
jcbjoeoh ok20:17
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r0kk3rzkimmoli: so you going to have sausage recognition along with instagram filters?20:22
r0kk3rzso your bbq knows what its bbqing20:22
kimmolithat will be in 2.0 then20:23
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pdanekAdvantages of Fedora over Arch Linux on desktop?22:16
pdanekExcept easier to install/use.22:16
gogetai dunno ...22:18
gogetai think arch is a bit more bleading edge22:19
gogetarather then fedora22:19
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