#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2015-03-26

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HtheBanyone here still around?00:19
scottchello00:19
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HtheBi need some help with my micro sd card00:34
HtheBit's totally corrupted00:35
HtheBwish someone could help me how to revive it using terminal00:35
HtheB:(00:35
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pahartikHtheB: Begin by generating copy of contents with "dd" on workstation?01:16
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HtheBpahartik: what do you mean, just "dd" in the terminal?01:17
HtheBI've done: dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=/dev/null bs=1024k01:17
HtheBoutput:01:17
HtheB12:1 records in01:17
HtheB12:1 records out01:17
HtheB(the microsd card should be 8GB)01:19
pahartikHtheB: For example "sudo dd if=device of=file bs=1M"01:19
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HtheBi think you've missed my message01:19
HtheB[02:16] <HtheB> I've done: dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=/dev/null bs=1024k <<<01:20
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Ezkodoes anyone know how to paste stuff into terminal01:21
Ezkothat has been copied from elsewhere01:21
pahartikHtheB: If it is broken and fails to read sectors, message probably shows up at end of "dmesg"01:21
HtheBpahartik: mmcblk1: mmc0:0002 SD016 12.5 MiB01:23
HtheBmmcblk1: unknown partition table01:23
pahartikHtheB: If it shows up as 12.5 MiB device to kernel, it seems seriously broken01:26
HtheBno chance to revive it? :(01:27
pahartikHtheB: Try with another card reader to see if that makes any difference01:28
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HtheBmy card reader wont pick up anything01:28
HtheBthis is the output from my N90001:29
HtheBI can try out Jolla and see what it says01:29
HtheBpahartik: same output on Jolla as well01:31
HtheB12MiB01:31
pahartikHtheB: It is not surprising if SDHC cards lose data or stop working without warning01:32
HtheBi just received the card though :p01:34
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HtheBit was new01:34
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HtheBcontacted the seller01:35
pahartikHtheB: So it never worked on your devices...01:37
HtheBit did at the start01:37
HtheBi copied some files01:37
HtheBbut i forget to copy something, so i tryed it again01:38
HtheBbut, no dice this time01:38
pahartikHtheB: Luckily, you did not lose data...01:40
HtheByeah01:40
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HtheBalthough i always keep a backup on my hdd01:40
HtheBi really wish that we could make this thing back alive :P01:40
pahartikHtheB: You could try to blank it from "/dev/zero", but that is about it01:42
HtheBdd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=/dev/zero bs=1024k01:43
HtheBlike that?01:43
pahartikHtheB: No, because you want input and output reversed01:44
HtheBdd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1024k01:45
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pahartikHtheB: That, and I do not know what "k" does, "dd" describes only "K"01:48
pahartikHtheB: And "K" translates to "KiB"01:50
HtheBok, running command with K now01:51
HtheBsays No space left on device (it's still busy though)01:51
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HtheBpahartik: 13+0 records in01:53
HtheB12+0 records out01:53
HtheB13107200 bytes (13 MB) copied, 150.997 s, 86.8kB/s01:54
pahartikHtheB: If it is still 12.5 MiB in size after detaching and attaching, that did not help01:54
HtheBindeed :(01:54
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pahartikHtheB: It is most likely waste of time to think about that card01:57
HtheByeah i guess so01:57
HtheBi better wait for a reply from the shop01:58
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Venemo_jhey guys08:26
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Stskeepsmoo Venemo_j08:26
Venemo_janyone has yellowish blobs on their jolla lcd?08:26
Venemo_jheya Stskeeps :)08:27
StskeepsVenemo_j: sounds like a care issue08:27
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Venemo_jwell08:27
Venemo_jhow long is the warranty?08:27
Venemo_jI think I'm out of the warranty period08:28
Stskeepsgood question08:28
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Bysmyyreu normal 2y, othervice I think 108:28
politiejolla says 1 year08:29
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Venemo_jumm08:31
Venemo_jso care can send me to hell08:31
Venemo_jgreat08:31
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politiei thought reliable products had 2 years by law though, in eu08:34
BysmyyrI got free repair after 1.3years(in finland)08:35
Nicd-I remember getting 2 year warranty but can't find the receipt for it08:35
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Venemo_jmmhm08:37
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Venemo_jso it maybe is worth a shot08:37
Nicd-doesn't hurt to ask08:37
Azogat least broken display will not be repaired for free :(08:41
Venemo_jit is not broken08:41
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Venemo_jI never even dropped the device, ever08:42
Azogjust try it, asking is for free08:42
Venemo_jk08:42
zuttojollas screen is silly08:42
zuttomy touchscreen stopped working after the UI crashed08:42
zuttoand these yellowish blobs sound weird08:43
tbrVenemo_j: by EU law you have 2 years mandatory, technically with reversed burden of proof after 6 months. (It becomes your obligation to prove that the fault is caused by something that was there before you bought it)08:44
tbrI'd expect that not to be an issue08:44
Venemo_jthe fault was not there before I bought it08:45
zuttotbr: 2 years mandatory?08:45
tbryellow spots inside the display are probably quite hard to cause by the user08:45
zuttowhere does this come from08:45
tbrzutto: yes08:45
tbrzutto: EU consumer law08:45
Venemo_jthanks tbr :)08:45
zuttointresting08:45
zuttoso jollas warranty terms are not applicable then if its the EU consumer rights act stating that08:46
tbrzutto: it's a difference though between mandatory and manufacturer voluntary08:46
tbrIANAL, do your own research on that.08:46
tbrAlso I do seem to remember that there was a difference in /jolla's/ voluntary warranty period depending on if you bought it as pre-order, during launch event, in dna store, later online from jolla.08:47
Venemo_jtbr: https://jolla.com/warranty-policy/08:47
Venemo_jtbr: says 1 year08:47
zuttoyep08:48
zuttothe /fi/ version says 1 year too08:48
zuttothats why i'm curious about that 2 year requirement, jollas lawyers who have written these should know them08:48
Nicd-"However, this Limited Warranty shall neither exclude nor limit any legal (statutory) rights under the applicable national laws."08:48
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Venemo_jmhm08:49
tbryes, that's the difference08:49
zuttoyeah08:49
Venemo_jmaybe they should've clarified that better08:49
tbrVenemo_j: your device is still under warranty. Don't question that yourself. Just request help from care regarding that.08:49
Venemo_jokay tbr08:49
Nicd-http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm08:50
tbrdon't bring up the date / warranty period yourself, that's just asking for confusion and trouble08:50
Nicd-"Your two-year legal guarantee cannot be shortened by a commercial guarantee"08:50
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Venemo_jbut then, I still have to pay for shipping it to care, right?08:52
politieprobably08:52
zuttoshouldnt that be covered by warranty too?08:52
Venemo_jdunno, should it?08:53
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zuttonot sure08:54
zuttobut the shipping shouldnt be expensive08:54
zuttoi wish i could drop my phone at their office to fix08:54
zuttosince i work at the next building08:54
Venemo_jfrom the opposite part of the eu? it isn't cheap to ship to finland08:54
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zuttowhere in EU are you located at?08:59
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Venemo_jBudapest, Hungary09:04
Venemo_jlast time I sent something to Finland (with insurance) it cost ~60€09:05
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tbrVenemo_j: you'll find out in the process if they cover shipping or not, then you can decide if you do or don't09:11
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Venemo_jright09:14
Venemo_jthanks tbr for the encouragement09:14
tbrnp09:14
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ln-are android apps supposed to have the upside-down portrait orientation?10:06
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tadzikfor me they usually don't10:07
raa700I haven't encountered that either10:07
ggabrielnot sure that's implemented yet for any application tbh10:08
tadzikbeing upside down?10:09
Ikarusandroid apps need to tell aswell that they support it10:09
ggabrielany upside down orientation10:10
ggabrieldidn't they say that sfos 2.0 will have that?10:10
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Ikarusggabriel: it should, but I have Android apps that handle seascape fine10:14
* ggabriel assumes seascape = horizontal upside down10:15
ggabrielIkarus: on the jolla?10:15
Ikarusyup10:16
ggabrielok, didn't know that could happen. cool then10:16
Ikarusbut the point is Android applications, like Qt ones need to tell the OS that they support it10:18
Ikarusand then handle the events, etc10:18
Nicd-https://whispersystems.org/blog/goodbye-encrypted-sms/10:20
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ln-i've witnessed at least one Android app that has all four orientations (on an Android tablet). but on Jolla, it doesn't have upside-down portrait.10:21
ln-and it appears many Android devices do not have upside-down portrait either.10:21
Ikarusln-: mhm10:22
ln-instead, jolla changes to normal portrait when the phone is upside-down... which is suboptimal.10:22
Ikarusalso some Android applications handle rotation themselves (as there are some bugs in it on Android and certain phones)10:23
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jaacoppiit seems Sailfish SDK supports Orientation.Portrait, Orientation.Landscape and Orientation.LandscapeInverted10:30
ln-that may or may not affect android apps.10:32
kjetilhowhat's the use case of portraitinverted?  on my Android phone I sometimes used the landscapeinverted mode for photos, when I rested the phone on something and didn't want the buttons to be activated...10:32
kjetilhoah.  would be useful in a docking station since the Jolla charger connects at the top10:33
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Nicd-found a funny easter egg in coderus's ScreenTapShot :)10:37
Nicd-go to the about page and pull way down10:37
ln-could be useful in a situation where you'd want the charging cable to go downwards rather than up. (e.g. in a car)10:37
ln-but if upside-down is not supported, i think the orientation should remain in the previous landscape setting rather than turning everything completely upside-down.10:38
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MikaelaI used to use some app on Android that had forced auto option that could also turn the screen upside down12:01
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Pawky|2how do you send a file using bluetooth?12:24
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Pawky|2duh... so nobody in here knows how to send  a file using bluetooth in jolla?12:48
Oni^bluetooth-sendto --device=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX filename12:50
Pawky|2thats a good one, but I thought I could do it directly in the graphical environment... I mean what phone or computer doesnt have this feature implemented?12:54
tadzikjolla phone, clearly :P12:55
tadzikbut doesn't filemanager do that?12:55
tadzikindeed, it doesn't12:56
ggabrielhttps://whispersystems.org/blog/goodbye-encrypted-sms/12:57
ggabrielerm, sorry12:57
ggabrielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/1302/bluetooth-file-transfer-for-all-file-types/12:58
ggabrielthat one12:58
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phlixi_I bet I (at least) once send a file via bluetooth. Not sure how I did that, but iirc I selected "share" (or similar) and "via bluetooth" (or similar). Of course they need to be paired, maybe luetooth is not shown as an option if there a re no paired devices...14:47
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phlixi_...maybe I did that from the mail client, it was probably a XLS i got via email which i opened on my nexus7, but I do not remember whether I maybe saved it first, or "shared" it directly from the mail app14:48
phlixi_Pawky|214:48
phlixi_:-=14:48
phlixi_:-)14:48
ggabrielphlixi_: for a few seconds i thought you put a darth vader face14:48
phlixi_nah, just super fat fingers14:49
phlixi_*tchhhh14:49
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ccha2I'm testing my new sdcard with dd with /dev/zero. is there any another ? I don't have sdcard reader to plug on my computer to use h2testw17:47
ccha2another way17:47
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ccha2does h2testw can test an MTP volume ?17:50
SfietKonstantinWccha2: don't think so17:50
SfietKonstantinW(for MTP volume)17:51
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ccha2is it possible to use jolla as sdcard->usb adaptator ? so my computer would detect sdcard as usb stockage device ?17:56
tbrby manipulating the gadget driver settings, probably17:57
tbrmight even be explained on tjc17:57
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ccha2tjc ? together.jolla.com ?17:59
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tbryes18:01
tbrnote that you will measure the whole chain, not just the card, performance may vary18:01
ccha2right now is not for using sdcard, just to test it with h2testw18:02
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* Stskeeps pops open a cold beer20:14
gogetaStskeeps, if you give me a non FI address i'll send you one of this https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p118x90/10153919_774599159278346_5802959405234262391_n.jpg?oh=0c01285154d15abec9c90c090b15cfc3&oe=55B13465&__gda__=1436988130_3e29621906c5e6f10fa9dacd84ff888120:17
gogetaonce brewed again20:17
Stskeepshehe20:17
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Madmancan some1 pls guide me, how to install pine/ alpine or mutt on the jolla phone?22:09
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