#jollamobile log for Friday, 2015-03-27

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jaacoppicould, if you stayed a bit longer06:08
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PaulePanterFirst time, I couldn’t answer the phone due to the Jolla phone lagging. :(07:52
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StskeepsPaulePanter: what version?07:57
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Stskeepsand did you modify the oom settings?07:57
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PaulePanterStskeeps: 1.1.2.16 and I did not modify anything.08:00
Stskeepsok08:00
Stskeepswhat did you have running?08:00
PaulePanterBrowser, email, SMS, phone and Fahrplan app.08:01
Stskeepsok08:01
PaulePanterWeather app(?) is enabled too and in the background as far as I can see.08:01
Stskeepshow much uptime?08:01
PaulePanterSo nothing special. No Android apps installed at all.08:01
Stskeepsok08:01
Stskeepsawkward08:01
PaulePanterHow can I check for how long it has been running?08:01
Stskeeps'uptime' in terminal08:02
PaulePanterDeveloper mode is not enabled and no terminal installed. ;-)08:02
PaulePanterI think it’s running over a week.08:02
Nicd-PaulePanter: you can install SailTime to get the uptime, memory status and load averages ;)08:04
Stskeepshow about device age? when did you get it? was it bought used?08:04
Nicd-from the app store08:04
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PaulePanterStskeeps: 15 months ago, directly ordered in the Jolla Store.08:05
Stskeepsok08:05
PaulePanterNicd-: Thanks.08:05
Stskeepshow many factory resets?08:05
PaulePanterNone.08:05
Stskeepsok08:06
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Pawky|2is it just me, or has the jollatides blog gotten silent after christmass, did jolla take the $2.2 million in funding and run?08:14
Stskeepshuh?08:14
Stskeeps:P08:14
Pawky|2:-D08:14
Stskeepsjollatides isn't an official blog08:14
Stskeepsblog.jolla.com is08:14
Pawky|2well.. but jollatides is jollas site right?08:14
Stskeepsno08:14
Stskeepswe have one blog, blog.jolla.com08:15
Pawky|2duh. but they are refereing to it on their official site..08:15
Stskeepshmm?08:15
Nicd-where?08:15
Pawky|2maybe not as a blog... but as a news page08:15
tadzikjollatides seems deadier and deadier and dead recently08:15
Stskeepswhere?08:15
Stskeeps:P08:15
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Pawky|2hmm, i am pretty sure I got it in the old days from the site.. where else would I have heard about jollatides.com08:17
Stskeepstwitter?08:17
Pawky|2dont use twitter08:17
Stskeepsmost people confuse thejollablog as well08:17
Nicd-also the links have been here a lot08:17
Pawky|2so, jollatides has no formal connection with Jolla then?08:17
Pawky|2hmm... hmm...08:17
Nicd-Pawky|2: jollatides about page says "Long time Nokia N900 (Maemo)/N9 (MeeGo) fan here.  Now currently rooting for Jolla FTW!"08:18
Nicd-but they could be clearer that they are not affiliated with jolla08:18
Pawky|2maybe i got it from when still on the Nokia N9... in some press release08:19
Pawky|2well, good to see them alive... any news about the tablet?08:19
Pawky|2like delivery dates?08:19
Nicd-Pawky|2: read https://blog.jolla.com/ :)08:20
Nicd-but no delivery dates afaik08:20
Pawky|2I am as of writing :-)08:20
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Mikaelawhoever here always says "Real Soon Now™", I blame you for just writing it somewhere as status09:03
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jaacoppiIn my hometown we have a bar that has "Free beer tomorrow" printed on the window09:29
jaacoppitomorrow never comes09:29
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Nickleuweird, my camera stops taking photos11:48
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Nickleubut the android camera app.works just fine. anyone having the same issue?11:48
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Nickleureboot doesn't help 😔11:49
MikaelaNickleu: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ ?11:50
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NickleuI'm not sure if i get it right but i have about 5Gb of disk space available11:52
Bysmyyrthat means nothing11:53
Bysmyyryou have to checnk that btrfs space thing11:53
Mikaelactrl - f "How to evaluate the situation"11:53
Nickleuok i shall look into it11:54
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NickleuOMG so I have to either delete all my photos and music or spend a few hours "balancing" the filesystem?12:01
MikaelaI believe you will have to do the balancing no matter what you do12:03
YanielI recommend balancing it12:03
Mikaelamoving everything to sdcard that you can move there should probably help12:03
Yanielit's a bit like defragmenting in old windows versions12:03
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Nickleuwow.....12:03
Yanielyeah, it sucks12:03
Nickleuguess i should start the command and just go to bed12:04
Yanielremember to plug in the charger12:04
MikaelaBTRFS isn't officially so ready for production, Jolla took it for some reason though, and on this laptop where I put btrfs to try it, I have fun issue that I must always run btrfs check --repair to all partitions from live media if the battery runs out12:04
Nickleuhoping it will be done the next morning12:04
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Mikaelaoh and I could probably ask here, my phone also says that "    devid    1 size 13.75GB used 13.75GB path /dev/mmcblk0p28" and I should do the balancing.12:07
MikaelaI don't have so much files on the phone, so can I directly jump to that step 6?12:07
Yanielstart balancing if it allows that12:07
Mikaelaok12:08
Mikaelaif I find the phone, it was on this bed just earlier when I was reading book before coming to IRC...12:08
Mikaelaso closing everything and stopping Android support12:09
Yanielnow if we had a public flashing tool + rom they could change the fs to ext4 to avoid these metadata explosions12:11
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Yanielor if there was a driver blob for a newer kernel...12:11
ppwell, android hardware so don't see that happening :(12:12
temmi_hooyaniel or perhaps even zfs that has all the wanted features and none of the bleeding edge insanity12:18
Mikaelathat page should mention -w flag with dmesg12:19
Mikaela        devid    1 size 13.75GiB used 5.82GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p2812:23
Mikaelathis is probably good enough now?12:23
Yanielyes12:24
Yanielseems reasonable at least12:25
Mikaela:)12:25
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ccha2why I got this message with btrfs fi show ? ERROR: unable get label Inappropriate ioctl for device12:38
Nicd-it doesn't matter12:38
raa700ive got that too12:39
raa700wondering the same thing12:39
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ccha2I try to format sdcard with btrfs. that took a while and there is not error but I can't mount it12:41
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ccha2in journalctl There is mmc1: Re-init card rc = -110 (retries = 5)12:41
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Shinryuuno wonder my phone kept shutting down and/or reboot.. one battery support pin was a bit loose and bent12:53
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Shinryuutime to do tests further on, also I have to think how in the heck I bent the whole thing12:59
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falfaI need a yellow second half!12:59
falfabut they are not available!12:59
scottci have the pink and green :)13:00
scottcvery nice13:00
falfapink would work, but yellow is the shitz13:00
falfanone available :-(13:00
scottc:(13:00
falfa:-(13:00
scottcpeople thought that my phone was made by Nokia because of my coloured other half13:01
scottc"not quite..."13:01
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falfapeoples ask about my phone, i always reply "i am jolla"13:04
falfaor i am a jolla13:04
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falfato great joy and wonder to the surroundings13:24
scottchah13:31
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Nicd-hey tbr, I found a new car for you: http://www.nettikone.com/kraz/255-b/135979415:37
tbrheh, cute15:43
nibyep:)15:47
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baumquestion, i'm trying to ssh into my MerSDK like described there: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish_SDK_Hacks17:15
baumhowever if i'm using local host as a hostname i'm getting an error that the connection was refused?17:16
baumby chance anyone got an idea why?17:16
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* attah wonders why the Jolla is €400 in Namibia18:09
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falfai need a yellow second half18:54
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arvuthello19:34
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arvutI need help with connecting my jolla as a mass storage device so I can transfer some music19:34
arvutI can connect it as a camera in kde over usb bus, but can't xfer any file onto the device, only read storage. I just performed system update to 1.1.1619:35
arvuthow do I do this? I work in KDE4, gentoo linux19:35
arvutdo I need extra drivers/SDK for the access? or am I restricted to scp and such?19:36
Stskeepsit should be bog standard MTP19:36
Stskeepslike android devices has it too19:36
arvutnever actually owned an android device, its all new to me, I'm used to nokia phones (N-series) and they connect as mass storage devices, n9 connects via usb bus and limits the root to `My Docs/`19:37
Stskeepsyep, but usb mass storage is a nightmare for OS makers, and MTP is it's successor19:38
arvutoh, and I run hardened kernel with grsec, but I don't see any complaints on grsec in /var/log/messages19:38
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arvutok, I might need mtpfs then19:38
arvutwhat does the SDK for linux offer btw? and is it available as a source tarball?19:39
arvutor even better, in some overlay for gentoo19:40
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falfaStskeeps: why is mass storage a nightmare?19:44
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Stskeepsfalfa: telling apps they can't access user files is not really how world works today19:45
Stskeepsnot to mention fat32, ntfs, exfat issues19:45
Stskeepsfor bigger mass storages19:45
falfathats file systems, its pretty well researched stuff i think?19:46
Stskeepssure, but it also puts constraints on what file systems you effectively can have19:47
falfawhich apps need to be told about access, and why cant the files be accessed?19:47
Stskeepsyou'd practically need to unmount the data partition from phone side19:47
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Stskeepsand then export it over usb19:47
falfayes19:47
falfais that a nightmare?19:47
Stskeepsit is19:48
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falfaan unmount operation?19:48
Stskeepsessentially you'd have to shut off any apps on your phone that accesses the user data partition19:49
falfait sounds more like an inconvenience to me, but what do i know19:51
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r0kk3rzi thought the main issue was that without MTP there was no hope for btrfs access on anything other than linux20:40
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* mjr would be somewhat partial to USB networking with a network file share advertised to the usb host, but doesn't know how automatically that might fare on windows or macos20:42
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mjrwithout extra drivers, that is20:42
r0kk3rzwindows needs RNDIS20:43
r0kk3rzthen it can work just like that20:43
r0kk3rzotherwise you need to install stuff20:43
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r0kk3rzwerd, NDIS is a microsoft spec. wonder why i needed to install rndis drivers for the beaglebone black today then20:47
Stskeepsrndis is a nice way of doing usb networking20:47
Stskeeps:P20:47
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r0kk3rzStskeeps: yeah but being an MS thing shouldnt it be supported in windows out-of-the-box?20:59
temmi_hoothat's how macs roll, not how microsoft rolls20:59
scottcplugging a device into a different USB port doesn't even work that smoothly ;)20:59
temmi_hooin ms world this is the default: unplug a keybored, replug it into a different hole => it asks for a driver21:00
scottc:)21:00
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juhaj_Does jolla have two sim slots or what's the other slot next to the microsim one?22:52
temmi_hoomicrosd22:52
Hartzihey, for finnish sailors: #jollasuomi :)22:54
juhaj_temmi_hoo: Ach, of course22:54
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