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dr_gogeta86 | we are near 2.5M$ | 08:13 |
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dr_gogeta86 | where is the 3g module ? | 08:13 |
dr_gogeta86 | even better LTE :D | 08:14 |
ln- | above 2.5M$ even | 08:14 |
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nivw | any news for us jolla phone users? | 08:31 |
Nicd- | what kind of news? | 08:31 |
nivw | will the cargo dock app improve and cache files locally, as drop box does? | 08:31 |
Nicd- | well that's not up to jolla, you should ask the dev | 08:31 |
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nivw | will we be able to search emails in the emaill app? | 08:32 |
nivw | will we be able to copy text from a webpage? | 08:32 |
nivw | will jolla send more battries? | 08:32 |
Nicd- | email search is coming in next update or the one after that | 08:33 |
Nicd- | no info about batteries or copying text from browser | 08:33 |
nivw | I had the nexsus 4 and got used to a screen that doesnt' scrath, the jolla does | 08:34 |
nivw | I was shocked | 08:34 |
nivw | will jolla release a phone with a bettr screen? | 08:35 |
Tegu | meanwhile webcat handles my copying needs with the exception of text fields :/ so, not ideal | 08:35 |
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flux | it still seems to me android firefox takes less memory than the newly improved browser :/ | 08:37 |
Nicd- | nivw: there is no info about a future phone | 08:37 |
flux | after browsing for a while with firefox background apps typically don't close, but they do if I use the standard browser | 08:37 |
Nicd- | flux: I haven't had backround apps close when I use the stock browser | 08:38 |
Nicd- | not anymore | 08:38 |
Nicd- | but the browser itself does crash sometimes | 08:38 |
flux | in particular switching browser orientation seems to be a killer | 08:38 |
Nicd- | also, making new uptime record currently :) | 08:38 |
Nicd- | 30 days 22 h 11 min | 08:38 |
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nivw | thanks Nicd- thanks, how can I see the upcoming features in the neext release? | 08:45 |
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Nicd- | nivw: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2015-March/005875.html | 08:50 |
flux | cool! new kernel! 3.4.106. | 08:56 |
nivw | Gtreamer 1.x ,mean miracast! | 08:58 |
nivw | awsome | 08:58 |
Yaniel | meanwhile linus is about to tag 4.0 | 08:58 |
Yaniel | lots of neat stuff though | 09:00 |
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nivw | 3.19 had two things: lots of btrfs improvements and device tree overlay | 09:18 |
nivw | I am guessing the jolla phone doens't use device tree overlay for GPIO - right? | 09:18 |
temmi_hoo | does it need gpio for anything? are there any external connections like the phone has? | 09:19 |
kjokinie | no device tree in jolla phone kernel | 09:19 |
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nivw | kjokine: is kexec used in your development? yesterday, a guy asked about it here | 09:23 |
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nivw | emm, can I use my desktop keyboard on my jolla phone? | 11:13 |
nivw | kind of vnc | 11:13 |
ottulo | through ssh if you just need the terminal | 11:14 |
ottulo | and there's an app for everywhere else, that isn't direct but should help | 11:14 |
ottulo | it's called Sailfish WlanKeyboard, available in Jolla store | 11:16 |
tadzik | and it doesn't do what you think it does | 11:16 |
ggabriel | yuk to kbd via wlan | 11:16 |
ggabriel | bluemameo ftw | 11:17 |
ggabriel | bluemaemo* | 11:17 |
tadzik | well, that excludes wired keyboards :) | 11:17 |
ggabriel | wlan surely excludes that too :) | 11:17 |
tadzik | I wouldn't mind typing my text message on my desktop keyboard every now and then, but once I have to copypaste it anyway I may as well just type it on the phone | 11:17 |
ggabriel | oh, i got it the other way around | 11:18 |
tadzik | well, a wired keyboard is usually indirectly connected to a network, if you know what I mean :) | 11:18 |
ggabriel | bluemaemo is to use the phone as kbd/mouse | 11:18 |
tadzik | and who uses bluetooth on desktop computers | 11:18 |
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tadzik | ah | 11:18 |
tadzik | that's beyond useless with jolla though :P Mouse, perhaps, but kbd... just no :) | 11:18 |
ggabriel | with tohkbd you could | 11:19 |
tadzik | oh yes | 11:19 |
ggabriel | also, this boils down to the question of whether the jolla can do usb host | 11:19 |
ggabriel | unless you want a ps/2 toh :P | 11:19 |
ggabriel | or one of those really old school kbd connectors | 11:19 |
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ottulo | just make a mechanical keyboard OH | 11:20 |
ggabriel | ottulo: that's tohkbd | 11:20 |
ottulo | that punches the appropriate spots on the device | 11:20 |
ottulo | ggabriel: tohkbd is not mechanical | 11:20 |
ggabriel | define mechanical | 11:20 |
ottulo | I mean mechanical like the old typewriters | 11:20 |
ggabriel | you have buttons that you press -> mechanical | 11:20 |
ggabriel | ok | 11:21 |
ottulo | where the paper+ink film are punched | 11:21 |
ggabriel | that would be awesome | 11:21 |
scottc | you have buttons that you press -> physical | 11:21 |
scottc | not mechanical, that's a whole other kettle of fish! | 11:21 |
ggabriel | scottc: i'd disagree on semantics | 11:21 |
tadzik | physical != mechanical | 11:21 |
scottc | ggabriel: how so? | 11:21 |
tadzik | mechanical keyboard refers to a very specific thingy | 11:22 |
ggabriel | well, there is a mechanical part to any physical kbd | 11:22 |
ggabriel | so, semantics | 11:22 |
tadzik | the difference between literal and actual meaning | 11:22 |
scottc | okay, but the term "mechanical keyboard" is a specific term | 11:22 |
ggabriel | scottc: not the way i know it, no | 11:22 |
ggabriel | but then i come from a far away place :) | 11:23 |
Nicd- | ggabriel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_technology#Mechanical-switch_keyboard | 11:23 |
scottc | okay, but what you know isn't necessarily canon ;) | 11:23 |
tadzik | hah | 11:23 |
ggabriel | that applies to everything | 11:23 |
Nicd- | they are usually just called mechanical keyboards | 11:23 |
Nicd- | at least by everyone I know | 11:23 |
scottc | yep | 11:23 |
ggabriel | Nicd-: but you kind of prove my point ;) | 11:23 |
scottc | i think it's quite the opposite | 11:24 |
ggabriel | someone mentioned a typewriter (which would be cool) | 11:24 |
ggabriel | i wouldn't have argued if you said mechanical-switch tho | 11:24 |
ggabriel | as that def sounds specific | 11:25 |
tadzik | it's a word-short, I guess | 11:25 |
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scottc | meh, it's a widely used and accepted term | 11:26 |
scottc | anyway, it doesn't matter really | 11:27 |
* ggabriel doesn't konw electronics :) | 11:27 | |
ggabriel | no, doesn't matter | 11:27 |
ggabriel | but now i want a typewriter toh | 11:27 |
temmi_hoo | :) | 11:27 |
ggabriel | on a more serious note, usb host would be cool | 11:27 |
temmi_hoo | ocr the paper coming out of a selectrix | 11:27 |
ggabriel | as you could plug whatever | 11:27 |
ggabriel | esp for the tablet | 11:28 |
scottc | does the tablet not have USB host? that's disappointing | 11:28 |
tadzik | since I got a usb stick with a microusb, I miss my n900 | 11:28 |
ggabriel | scottc: not sure we even know that level of detail yet | 11:28 |
scottc | huh | 11:28 |
tadzik | wasn't that stretch-goaled? | 11:28 |
ggabriel | i'm sure there's a tjc | 11:28 |
scottc | i expected it would, probabily naively :) | 11:28 |
ggabriel | ummm, def not | 11:28 |
ggabriel | hopefully it's just software | 11:29 |
scottc | probably* | 11:29 |
scottc | yep | 11:29 |
ggabriel | so it could come eventually | 11:29 |
ggabriel | i read that the phone has some limitations tho | 11:29 |
temmi_hoo | some usb chips don't do otg | 11:29 |
ggabriel | but i don't see myself typing with a full sized kbd on the phone | 11:29 |
Nicd- | scottc: the tablet has USB OTG | 11:30 |
temmi_hoo | typing with full-sized keybored to a tablet might be good | 11:30 |
Nicd- | so afaik that means USB host too | 11:30 |
temmi_hoo | especially if you can have a nice stand for the tablet | 11:31 |
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Nicd- | and USB OTG for the tablet was there since day 1, not even strect goaled, so dunno why people don't know about it :P | 11:34 |
Nicd- | stretch* | 11:34 |
tadzik | stretch goaled, stretch galled | 11:34 |
temmi_hoo | perhaps because it was not in big large friendly letters? | 11:34 |
temmi_hoo | ...possibly also because it was not a stretch goal | 11:34 |
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scottc | Nicd-: perfect, thanks! | 11:36 |
scottc | temmi_hoo: by that logic, they should've put 'having an LCD' as a stretch goal to make sure that people knew it would be included :p | 11:37 |
temmi_hoo | indeed | 11:37 |
Lieke | https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/1181563/files/20150129041205-spec-sheet.png < it's listed here | 11:37 |
scottc | ah, nice | 11:39 |
scottc | great | 11:39 |
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scottc | bought the 64GB upgrade yesterday | 11:39 |
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Nicd- | wish I had use for it so I could buy it :P | 11:40 |
scottc | buy it! | 11:45 |
scottc | it's going to be epic | 11:45 |
Nicd- | but it's useless! | 11:45 |
scottc | never! | 11:45 |
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locusf | 2K fingerterm <3 | 11:45 |
FireFly | No thanks, I'm hoping to replace the vkb with a physical one soon :p | 11:46 |
FireFly | fingerterm is *okay*, but far from excellent unfortunately | 11:46 |
scottc | i don't have the patience for a crap bluetooth keyboard on my phone | 11:46 |
scottc | mush mush mush, horrible little rubber domes | 11:46 |
Nicd- | I already have a laptop for all my mobile computing needs :P wife would like a tablet but she doesn't want a jolla | 11:48 |
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scottc | Nicd-: but does your laptop have such a nice screen? | 11:48 |
scottc | I have a usable thinkpad x201, but it doesn't have a nice screen :) | 11:49 |
temmi_hoo | i'd like a real keyboard instead of a laptop keyboard for mobile computing | 11:49 |
scottc | yeah | 11:49 |
Nicd- | scottc: it has 220 ppi and it's enough for me | 11:50 |
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scottc | I used to use my HHKB with my crap Android tablet and it worked okay, enough for SSH etc on the go | 11:50 |
Teme | Nicd-: i feel you man.. i'd like to get a new jolla device (to run stuff smoother) but tablet is a bad form factor for me :/ | 11:50 |
scottc | i'd rather spend the cash and get a better camera on my phone! | 11:50 |
scottc | but the tablet should be amazing too | 11:51 |
Teme | probably, just useless for some people :P | 11:51 |
scottc | yep :D | 11:51 |
scottc | shame | 11:51 |
Nicd- | I mean, even if it was semi useful for me I'd buy it out of support | 11:52 |
Teme | especially those who spend 16h a day on a computer like yours truly | 11:52 |
scottc | heh, me too | 11:52 |
scottc | though it's for a different mode of computing for me | 11:52 |
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scottc | I use my desktop/laptop for coding, games, etc. but for passive consumption of media, a tablet would be nice | 11:52 |
Nicd- | I think for watching TV/movies it's too small. I had problems with my 13" laptop already | 11:53 |
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scottc | mm, fair | 11:55 |
scottc | i'm hoping to get a 13" laptop soonish, to replace my 12.1" thinkpad with 1280x800 | 11:55 |
scottc | i think it's mostly resolution that bothers me in this instance though | 11:55 |
Nicd- | yeah, I moved from 1280x800 to 2880x1800 and it's like a new world | 11:56 |
japa-fi_ | Many of the cheap laptops have 1368x720 or some such brain dead resolution | 11:56 |
scottc | hahah, 1366x768 is the worst resolution in the world | 11:57 |
scottc | my previous laptop had it and moving to 1280x720 was miles better | 11:57 |
japa-fi_ | Yeah, even my personal (old) thinkpad t400 has better. | 11:57 |
FireFly | scottc: I meant tohkbd, not a bluetooth keyboard :p | 11:57 |
Nicd- | it's funny how laptop resolutions were so terrible for so long | 11:57 |
japa-fi_ | 1440x900 or so | 11:57 |
Nicd- | even with mobile phones having great ppi | 11:57 |
sharpneli | Nicd-: It's due to windows | 11:57 |
scottc | Nicd-: i think they are still terrible really, unless you get a MBP or similar | 11:57 |
FireFly | sharpneli: surely it's at least partially due to production costs? | 11:58 |
Nicd- | scottc: well there are quite a few pc options nowadays I think. and many have at least full hd | 11:58 |
sharpneli | Nicd-: While theoretically windows works on different PPI it tends to break on anything else than 96ppi | 11:58 |
FireFly | Higher risk of dead pixels and such | 11:58 |
scottc | Nicd-: in laptops? | 11:58 |
sharpneli | FireFly: Only partly. On the other hand dead pixel doesn't matter that much if there's bazillion of em | 11:58 |
FireFly | I suppose | 11:58 |
Nicd- | scottc: yeah | 11:59 |
FireFly | My laptop has a puny 1366x768 :< but then it was fairly cheap, and is sufficient for me | 11:59 |
Nicd- | at least when I've looked. though obviously I've only searched for full hd or better | 11:59 |
scottc | Nicd-: like what? i didn't find many good options when i looked | 11:59 |
Nicd- | scottc: but your guess is correct, I did get a MBP | 11:59 |
scottc | :D | 11:59 |
Nicd- | but I'm a macfag so it was natural | 11:59 |
scottc | heh | 11:59 |
FireFly | I think pixel pitch (ppi) is more interesting than the resolution, tbh | 12:00 |
FireFly | I don't want a ≥15" laptop, too big/heavy for my taste | 12:00 |
scottc | of course | 12:00 |
Nicd- | I was hesitant with getting the 15" but it hasn't actually bothered me at all | 12:01 |
Nicd- | of course that's just me | 12:01 |
scottc | 13" is probably as big as i would go | 12:01 |
scottc | my first laptop, a few years ago, was 17" and had 1600x900 res - funny how it's steadily gotten worse since then | 12:01 |
FireFly | Hm | 12:01 |
FireFly | prisjakt.se (Swedish price comparison service with nice filters) finds 40 laptops that are ≥fullHD and ≤13" | 12:02 |
FireFly | Although they're all ~≥1k EUR | 12:02 |
scottc | interesting | 12:02 |
sharpneli | Now with Windows 8 those started to arrive. W7 was still horrible in that regard. | 12:03 |
FireFly | http://www.prisjakt.nu/kategori.php?l=s215231177&o=lokal_rank#rparams=l=s215231239 the list here should be fairly browsable even without knowing the language. | 12:03 |
scottc | thanks FireFly | 12:03 |
FireFly | They look interesting, but sadly way too expensive for a student :p | 12:04 |
scottc | maybe I'm just picky, but i dread to think of what the keyboards are like in these things | 12:05 |
scottc | particularly the asus, dell, etc | 12:05 |
FireFly | Can't have it all, I guess | 12:05 |
scottc | mmhm | 12:05 |
scottc | so i'll just use a jolla tablet with a nice external keyboard :p | 12:05 |
FireFly | Heh, I guess that's an option too | 12:06 |
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temmi_hoo | scottc: a hhkbd with the bestest capacitive keys | 12:18 |
temmi_hoo | sadly hhkb is not available with a proper form of enter key | 12:18 |
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scottc | temmi_hoo: you can get the JIS version, look up HHKB PRO JP :) | 12:23 |
scottc | it has awkward stagger on the bottom row though, everything is shifted 0.25 units to allow for the extra key | 12:24 |
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temmi_hoo | looking good | 12:31 |
scottc | I prefer the original HHKB layout though :) | 12:32 |
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temmi_hoo | the american enter is just untolerable :) | 13:28 |
temmi_hoo | otherwise it's okay | 13:28 |
scottc | i prefer ANSI enter on HHKB since it lets backspace move to the key above | 13:28 |
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temmi_hoo | i want klöä' though i admit the ' _could_ be considered movable | 13:35 |
temmi_hoo | ä is immutable though | 13:35 |
scottc | ah | 13:36 |
Nicd- | I love my KeyTronic. it's not a mechanical one but it's close :) https://plus.google.com/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/QNDtouj3vTR?pid=5904081773780306722&oid=110693235602405640560 | 13:36 |
scottc | a friend of mine types Finnish on US layout and apparently it's comfortable, but I'm not sure of his arrangement | 13:36 |
scottc | Nicd-: is it foam and foil? :) | 13:37 |
Nicd- | I have no idea, I'm guessing rubber dome | 13:38 |
Nicd- | I haven't opened any of the keys to see inside | 13:38 |
Scelt | Nicd-: I have a similar one. my sons are playing with it. the lightning in the space bar is awesome | 13:39 |
Scelt | and the story about mid-90's, "Made in Ireland", Belfast and IRA | 13:39 |
temmi_hoo | Scelt: he could have just disabled the äöå alltogether | 13:39 |
temmi_hoo | scott, not Scelt | 13:40 |
Scelt | "this keyboard has seen a lot" | 13:40 |
Nicd- | ooh, it is made in Ireland! | 13:40 |
Nicd- | some time after 1990 | 13:40 |
Scelt | Yeah! no china-crap | 13:40 |
Scelt | mine has a sticker of Finnish importer from the -96 | 13:41 |
temmi_hoo | i've got an alps mechanical i bought from dmt when it was in munkkiniemi in perhaps 1995 or so | 13:41 |
scottc | temmi_hoo: no, he definitely does use the Finnish legends, just has them mapped on to an Alt Gr layer | 13:42 |
Nicd- | Scelt: is it PS/2? this is DIN so I have a DIN -> PS/2 and then a PS/2 -> USB to make it work :P | 13:43 |
Stskeeps | temmi_hoo: did you ever answer if you got the jerishades, ooi? | 13:43 |
Scelt | Nicd-: it is DIN also | 13:44 |
Nicd- | lack of a windows key is sometimes a problem though | 13:44 |
temmi_hoo | scottc: uhhh that wouldn't do for me :( | 13:44 |
temmi_hoo | Stskeeps: not yet at least | 13:44 |
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Stskeeps | ok | 13:44 |
ggabriel | Nicd-: sadly :( | 13:45 |
temmi_hoo | i think only the first round has received anything yet | 13:45 |
Nicd- | ggabriel: ? | 13:45 |
ggabriel | lack of win key | 13:45 |
temmi_hoo | we (i'm with rambo and jautero and some fourth guy) backed the mature option | 13:45 |
Nicd- | ggabriel: it's sad that it doesn't have one or it's sad that it's an issue? | 13:46 |
ggabriel | sad that it's an issue | 13:46 |
ggabriel | as it used to be win key = control+escape | 13:46 |
ggabriel | and nowadays it's a bit more than that | 13:46 |
scottc | Nicd-: I've got plenty of winkeyless keyboards, I just map capslock to winkey | 13:46 |
Nicd- | well control+escape would be pretty hard to type | 13:46 |
temmi_hoo | winkey has also always been a modifier | 13:46 |
Nicd- | yeah, I have capslock as winkey but it doesn't work with everything | 13:47 |
scottc | ggabriel: I think that's the case only for opening the windows menu, but i might be wrong | 13:47 |
Nicd- | like win-l | 13:47 |
Nicd- | I'm on ubuntu gnome btw, not windows | 13:47 |
temmi_hoo | just pressing the winkey and releasing it has produced the equivalent action of pressing ctrl-escape | 13:47 |
ggabriel | scottc: yup, it used to be that way only ,once upon a time | 13:47 |
scottc | Nicd-: I can share Xmodmap config with you if you'd like | 13:47 |
temmi_hoo | i welcomed the extra modifiers for pc keyboreds when they appeared | 13:47 |
ggabriel | i even mapped mine to do whatever on linux | 13:47 |
ggabriel | kind of like the old macro key | 13:47 |
scottc | ggabriel: ctrl+esc works for opening the menu for me on windows here | 13:47 |
scottc | 8.1 too! | 13:47 |
Nicd- | scottc: it's too much bother since I have capslock already work as the most important function (typing to open an app) | 13:48 |
ggabriel | scottc: yeah, that works, i meant other hotkeys | 13:48 |
temmi_hoo | having used xemacs on a sparcstation in early nineties helped like a lot of modifier keys | 13:48 |
scottc | right right, misunderstood | 13:48 |
Nicd- | also I have bound ctrl+alt+l to work in place of win+l | 13:48 |
Nicd- | it just takes time to start working after I reboot my computer :D | 13:49 |
Nicd- | it starts working on its own | 13:49 |
scottc | i don't know what you guys do, but it works fine for me everywhere i have it set up... :D | 13:50 |
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SfietKonstantinW | come on may, come quicker | 17:35 |
SfietKonstantinW | 2 exciting projects | 17:35 |
SfietKonstantinW | tohkbd & jolla tablet | 17:35 |
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Jef91 | Does anyone know whatever happened with this -> http://www.thejollablog.com/jolla-launcher-for-android/ ? | 17:40 |
Jef91 | Did it ever get finished? If not is there a place I can find the latest testing version? | 17:40 |
raa700 | they released angrybirds jolla launcher | 17:41 |
Jef91 | raa700, is there just a generic version that looks like Sailfish OS without all the extra branding? | 17:43 |
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scottc | I wonder why it is incompatible with my old Nexus 4... | 17:44 |
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Jef91 | Meh. Hopefully sailfish will just work on my OnePlus well enough that I won't have to screw with Android on it | 17:49 |
scottc | you should just buy a Jolla :p | 17:51 |
scottc | the best phone | 17:51 |
Jef91 | scottc, doesn't get 3g speeds on anything in the US | 17:52 |
Jef91 | I've been waiting awhile for a true Linux phone that could | 17:52 |
Jef91 | but my Nokia N9 just isn't cutting it any more | 17:52 |
Jef91 | tired of waiting | 17:52 |
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sqozz | man, the jolla is driving me crazy today… the battery died over night. No i connected it to my charger and it refuses to boot. First there is the fullscreen charge logo, then the jolla boot animation and then it went black and start again. Does somebody has a idea, how i can fix that issue? | 18:26 |
sqozz | s/No/Now | 18:26 |
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Sail0r | let it charge for a while sqozz | 18:50 |
Sail0r | not try to immediatly start it after it run out of battery | 18:50 |
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sqozz | Sail0r: it starts automaticly… | 19:17 |
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arvut | what is the purpose of the #jolla channel? if this is the "new" place for jolla related stuff then why not simply put that channel on autoredirect to this one? | 20:47 |
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tiwake | never heard of it | 21:00 |
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Mikaela | I think #jolla might belong to some other project, but no idea | 21:12 |
ljp | old channel jolla had used long ago | 21:13 |
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Mikaela | I see | 21:14 |
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Mikaela | would someone happen to know where does Sailwave store it's radio stations? I would like to backup that file | 21:24 |
arvut | it mentions this channel in the topic | 21:24 |
arvut | might still not be related though | 21:25 |
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Mikaela | with suggestion to use grep elsewhere, I found the file, but it has strange name and appears to be sqlite database, but at least it had table called MyStations, so I think it cannot be anything else. | 21:39 |
Mikaela | /home/nemo/.local/share/harbour-sailwave/harbour-sailwave/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/f585dd9f0f1c950c0606cb0982603239.sqlite | 21:39 |
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pdanek | Which one is better, Li-Pol or Li-Ion? | 21:46 |
pdanek | Thinkpad T450 has optional battery choices, eityer 3-cell Li-Pol or 4-cell Li-Ion or 6-cell Li-Ion. | 21:46 |
pdanek | Does it mean that Li-Pol is better, but harder to manufacture with bigger capacity? | 21:47 |
Ezko_ | Unlike cylindrical and prismatic cells, LiPos come in a soft package or pouch, which makes them lighter but also lack rigidity. | 21:48 |
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M4rtinK | IIRC Li-Pol should have better capacity | 22:02 |
M4rtinK | but (at least used to be) more explosive | 22:02 |
M4rtinK | *is | 22:02 |
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M4rtinK | but that information is based mostly on model aircraft batteries, not really electronics batteries | 22:04 |
pdanek | Does Li-Pol have longer lifetime? | 22:07 |
pdanek | Does it lose its capacity slower than Li-Ion? | 22:07 |
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