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q_revertFusl: disabling automatic caps would be nice, i haven't found it, but i haven't done a huge amount of looking around either :)06:00
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kimmoliafaik only way is to hack QML, set TextArea inputMethodHints to Qt.ImhNoAutoUppercase06:30
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Azogand no auto-append-spaces would be nice, too06:54
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MikaelaI only have issue with the spell checking, because I never change keyboard language so the Finnish one has learned weird words in English and I always accidentally touch some suggestions07:38
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arnejIs there a way to manipulate my keyboard? I prefer the US layout but would like to get germand word suggestions08:01
arnej*german08:01
TemeVarnej: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91917&highlight=keyboard+layouts08:04
arnejTemeV: Thanks, will try to create my own with that information then :)08:06
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loic_mI there. Are there news on the next OS upgrade (release date and what's new)?08:21
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jaacoppiloic_m: it'll be available right after the next duke nukem game08:22
loic_mhuhu08:23
jaacoppiin fact, you can hear the source code in binary in an easter egg on the next led zeppelin album last track08:23
loic_mjaacoppi> ;)08:26
loic_mand more seriously, I'm quite new in the Jolla World and I don't really know where to look to follow sailfishOS' roadmap, …08:28
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jaacoppiJolla has been promising an update every month, but so far it's been every 1-3 months. The community is hoping for a release every day.08:31
jaacoppitogether.jolla.com and sailfishos developer mailing list at https://lists.sailfishos.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel are good sources for information.08:32
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Fusl3G mobile networking access does not work on my jolla phone, is there any way to find out why? (provider: Hitchison 3G Austria (Drei(.at)/3(AT))), though it shows 3G on the status08:32
jaacoppiloic_m: there's also blog.jolla.com for official news and https://together.jolla.com/question/89242/unsollicited-upgrade-from-11216-to-11424/ that indicates an update is just around the corner08:34
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loic_mjaacoppi> ok thanks!08:38
loic_mversions number are… weird08:39
loic_mfrom 1.1.2.16 to 1.1.4.24 ^^08:39
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jaacoppiversion numbers are politics, as long as it's increasing it's fine08:45
jaacoppiwe'll jump from 1.1.4 to 2.0 in the summer08:45
Mikaeladate version numbers are nice08:47
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jaacoppix.y.z. tends to tell a bit more about how much has changed. 1.1.2.15 -> 1.1.2.16 was a small change, 1.1.2.x -> 1.1.4.x is a bigger one08:47
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mornfalljaacoppi: well, yes, although 4 components are ... a lot :) pretty hard to read09:15
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temmi_hoobetter than having code names for them09:16
temmi_hoohow is anybody supposed to know if the developers prefer kitkat to ice cream sandwhich or vice versa?09:16
mornfallheh09:16
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loic_mjaacoppi> I prefer semver because it's more standard and easier for everyone to understand09:19
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MikaelaI prefer ice cram sandwhich so it must be newer09:21
Mikaelano idea what kitkat is though, but ice cream sandwhich is surely better09:22
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temmi_hookitkat is a candy brand name09:22
Mikaelaoh, then ice cream sandwhich won09:22
temmi_hooboring chocolate bars that have more sugar than chocolate09:22
temmi_hooi'd prefer meatballs09:22
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jaacoppiso.. sailfishos 2.0.0.7-jun25_2015-Päijänne-Snickers?09:33
Aciidwhy not https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paskaj%C3%A4rvi_%28Eurajoki%2909:35
the_mgtincrease the version numbers by at least 10 every release09:35
the_mgtyou need to have higher numbers than chrome and firefox!!!!!!111109:35
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the_mgtso next release should be sailfish 10 or even 1109:35
Stskeepsnext release will have all the dots removed?09:36
TemeVthe_mgt: why would an OS have to compete with browser? Higher number than iOS is important though, so next one shoul be Sailfish 8 or 9 or something :)09:38
TemeVJolla-browser should have version number some where in 40's of course to compete with Chrome and Firefox ;)09:39
IZhAnd what about two-letters codename? ;-)09:41
MikaelaWindows also jumped to 10 as Debian was catching up09:41
kjetilhoI like Ubuntu's scheme with sequential names and date based version numbers.09:42
kjetilhoI have no idea if Firefox 32 is new or old09:42
JvD_but windows has already been 95 and 200009:42
JvD_beat that09:43
Mikaelaold, because current in Antergos is 37.0.1-209:43
Mikaelabut they jumped down from those09:43
IZhMikaela: I heard a diffetent version. Lots of software have a check similar to if windowsVersion started from windows9 (for 95, 98), then display ugly old gray UI ;-)09:43
Mikaelayou mean "winver"?09:44
IZhYes09:44
MikaelaI don't remember what it said and no Windows here09:44
Mikaelaor actually my sister has one, but she isn't at home at the moment so I cannot ask09:44
jaacoppihow about instead of version numbering just up the product name? SailfishOS -> someotherlamefishOS -> GreatWhiteOS?09:47
Stskeepsjaacoppi: so, like Linux?09:47
Stskeeps:P09:47
Stskeepsand distributions09:47
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IZhWhat about using years in version? :-)09:48
IZhIt will stimulate users to use fresh one for not to be outdated. ;-)09:50
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the_mgtTemeV: because sailfish is linux and the kernel jumped from 2.6.something to 3, too09:53
jaacoppiIZh: nah just force them to upgrade by checking for newest version once a day and bricking the device if the user doesn't update09:54
jaacoppior better yet, brick the device every time so the user needs to buy a new device09:54
IZh:-))09:55
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kjetilhothe_mgt: it actually just jumped to 4.009:55
kjetilhoLinus' kernel, that is09:55
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the_mgtkjetilho: that's the spirit09:58
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tadzikGreat. I was wondering why my phone seems to vibrate when it plays music on my headphones10:25
tadzikturns out, for the last 3 hours I was playing music for the entire fucking train of people10:26
tadzikthanks Jolla >:(10:26
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Stskeepstadzik: did they start dancing?10:26
tadzikStskeeps: no, but now I understand their looks10:26
Mikaelahow you didn't notice that or do you use insane volume?10:26
tadzikMikaela: well, heaphones on10:26
tadzikand it played exactly the same thing on headphones and speaker10:27
IZhIt could be a feature to use a vibration for a deeper bass. ;-)10:27
MikaelaI always use headphones too, but I would notice if the music is fainter than usually or comes from somewhere else than the headphones10:27
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tadzikit came from both10:28
tadzikthat's the point10:28
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Mikaela:O10:28
tadziksorry for not being too clear10:28
tadzikI'm quite10:28
tadzikupset10:28
Fusltadzik: you have any pulseaudio config apps installed?10:29
Fusle.g. PulseTunnel10:29
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tadzikFusl: none10:30
tadzikit never happened before10:30
Fuslthat's starnge then10:30
Fuslbut tbh, this does not happen only with jolla10:30
Fusli have an iphone 4s, couple of days ago this also happened with it10:31
tadzikshit happens :(10:31
jaacoppitadzik: next time, play better music so the people won't be upset, they'll be happy10:31
Mikaela:)10:31
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tadzikyeah, now I think that Steel Panther may not have been the best choice for my target audience...10:31
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tadzikgood thing phone was in my backpack charging most of the time10:32
jaacoppiSteel Panther is nice for 1 song, not for three hours10:32
scottchahahah10:32
scottci hate how people are too polite to point this out10:33
jaacoppisaw them live a few years ago, they rock & rolled and kicked some ass10:33
jaacoppiI like their message of death to all butt metal10:33
tadzikscottc: it now makes me think that whenever I heard someone being annoying on a bus they were just unaware10:33
tadzikit's partly too polite, and partly "oh whatever, they're beyond help"10:34
Fuslhow do people here handle the microusb-plug of the phone while charging? did it ever happen that anyone killed the microusb-plug and how easy is it to replace/resolder it with a new one?10:34
temmi_hooon the musb connector, who in their wrong mind decided to put it on that end of the phone?10:35
AciidFusl: was the most common replacable in the nokia n90010:36
scottctadzik: yeah, it's an eye-opening experience!10:36
Fusli remember having a samsung galaxy s2 who's microusb plug was at the bottom and had a very light usb cable , it still broke after a few weeks of using and did cost me 100 bucks to replace it10:36
scottcyou may never judge an obnoxious person on a train again10:36
tadzikscottc: it's these little things that make you develop and understanding for silly people :)10:37
scottcheh :)10:37
tadzikI got myself a red mohawk after I got my BSc. Before that, I used to be amused when I was walking around the city centre. "Hahaha, this guy looks like an idiot! lol"10:38
tadziknow I walk around and think "Hahaha, this guy looks like an idiot! Just like I used to!" lol"10:38
temmi_hoo?10:38
temmi_hoo:)10:38
scottc:D10:38
tadzik(for all kinds of appearance traits, not just hairdo)10:38
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Fuslmy bet would be that the microusb-plug will break faster on the jolla phone because 1. it's on top of the phone, 2. the shipped cable is heavier than other ones, 3. the cable is short and as such incidents will happen (i fixed this by using a usb extension cord10:38
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Aciidpfft just use a cable that has the same thickness as the phone when its on the table10:39
Aciidproblem solved10:39
temmi_hoofusl, yeah, whoever tries to use the phone while charging will present large forces on the pcb receptable10:39
scottcthe shipped cable is verrrry nice, i really like it10:39
scottcbut yeah, too short to use10:39
temmi_hooit is nice but the receptable is on the wrong end of the phone10:39
temmi_hoocannot be fixed with cable10:39
Aciidamazon prime microusb cable is 1:1 in thickness10:40
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Aciidhttp://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-Cable-Micro-Meters/dp/B003ES5ZSW yes it's bulky10:40
temmi_hooit's not the phone-on-table-charging -use case which destroys receptables10:40
Aciidoh10:40
Aciidyou mean using while charging?10:40
temmi_hooit is the oh shit i gotta talk while charging use case10:40
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scottchahah10:41
Aciidwhen I pick it up in the charger I try supporting the cable10:41
Aciiddunno does it help10:41
Aciidbut yea it's a bad design choice10:41
temmi_hooi'm 185cm, the socket is at 30cm, the charging cable is what, a meter long10:41
Fusl^10:42
temmi_hooif the socket was on the correct end, it would dislodge the connector without further damage10:42
Fuslhave fun sitting in a corner and talking to your friends :D10:42
temmi_hoonow it dislodges the receptable from the pcb10:42
Fusltemmi_hoo: :D10:42
Aciid3m usb micros go for 3euros in ebay10:42
Aciidjust saying10:43
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ggabrielunplug the cable, talk, then plug it again?10:43
Fuslextension cords ftw10:43
kjetilhoAciid: great if you like to charge at half the speed10:43
Aciidggabriel: too hard10:43
Aciidkjetilho: I use a 2A charger10:43
scottcno, i'm never using cheap ebay cables again. they're so shit10:44
kjetilhodoesn't help if you have a bad cable10:44
scottc+110:44
kjetilhocould be too few connectors, or just too much resistance10:44
temmi_hoothe cheap cables just are too thin10:44
scottcyeah10:44
temmi_hooalso: some craptastic idea was to use 5V instead of 50V for these thin cables10:44
temmi_hoothe end device will need a regulator anyway10:45
scottcthe electrons can't march up in sets of five in thin cables, only single file >:)10:45
zuttoelectrons dont actually march :P10:45
temmi_hooi^2r losses10:45
temmi_hoozutto: indeed no, they fly like madmen dodging the nucleo10:45
temmi_hoonuclea?10:45
temmi_hoodunno10:45
scottczutto: they just run? ;)10:45
Aciidwhere is my wireless charger TOH ?10:46
zuttoits more like they're a shroom that infects everything in its path and then dies off very quickly10:46
Aciidlike a huge tesla coil for my desk, so I can speak while charging10:46
scottchmm, maybe i'll try out my pink TOH actually...10:46
Aciidthis cable on top of the phone thing needs to be sorted10:47
Aciidthank god Im a republican10:47
SpeedEviltemmi_hoo: 50V is a bit high technically - it's just about at teh arc limit. There is a reason that 36V is the lowest 'safe' voltage in many standards. 30V@0.5A would have been a much better choice for a 'high power' optional standard in USB110:47
tadzikhuh, it never bothered me before10:47
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SpeedEvilAlso - why the hell can't I get nice tight right-angle microUSB :/10:47
FuslSpeedEvil: yea, i neither couldn't find anything10:48
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kjetilhoUSB Type C will save us all10:49
kjetilhowrt voltage10:49
zuttoi kinda dislike the new usb plug10:49
zuttomainly cause of the rounded corners10:49
scottcisn't that patented by apple?10:50
scottc;)10:50
tadzikhah10:50
temmi_hoohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zDDsX5xYcA10:51
temmi_hooSpeedEvil: huh? in *elv regulations around the world, 50VAC and 100VDC are the most common limits10:51
Helletemmi_hoo: what, ELV is under 50V10:51
Hellefor both10:51
Helle100VDC is not skin safe in any circumstance10:52
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zuttohttp://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v4/1068613771_3/FreeShipping-USB-2-0-A-female-Type-A-to-5pin-90-degree-microusb-B-Male-adapter.jpg something like this?10:52
Hellethe basic idea behind the choice for ELV is that is the maximum safe voltage for dry skin in dry circumstance10:53
temmi_hoowikipedia says 120VDC 50VAC, finnish regulations say 100VDC 50VAC10:54
SpeedEviltemmi_hoo: I thought there was a 36V for SELV - it's not for skin, it's for ease of arcing10:57
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SpeedEvilzutto: no - that still has a massive lever-arm10:57
* SpeedEvil orders http://www.dx.com/p/diy-90-degree-angle-micro-usb-male-plug-adapters-black-10-pcs-363228#.VS5D6fFVGRs10:57
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zuttoit is10:58
zuttobut its like that for a reason10:58
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zuttothose do look nice tho10:59
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SpeedEvilIt's like that because that's what the commonly available molds are and everyone copies without thinking11:00
SpeedEvilIt's not like that because physical reality mandates it.11:00
zuttoyes, and to make sure that the cable doesnt move too much inside it11:00
SpeedEvilAnd yes, you do need to make arrangements for strain relief - this doesn't quite mean that though.11:00
SpeedEvilAnd frankly - I'd really rather the cable died before killing my device with a massive sticy out lever that I accidentally banged11:01
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temmi_hoomusb designers decided to optimize the levers so that the force is multiplied for dislodging the receptable11:01
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temmi_hoothey SAY the cable is supposedly sacrificial element but it's always the receptable that breaks leaving the cable intact11:02
zuttohttp://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v1/1812617429_1/1-Pair-Right-Left-Angle-Micro-USB-Male-90-Degree-USB-Male-to-Micro-Female-Plug.jpg this looks kinda nice too11:02
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SpeedEvilThat's regrettably almost worse than normal - especially with a normal USB plugged into it11:03
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zuttowell if you want 90 degree mount, those arent bad options11:04
SpeedEvil^and to clarify - with those parts above, I mean to make a practicaly flush connector, not using the backshell11:04
zuttohttp://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/UT8L33vXflbXXagOFbXG.jpg doesnt look too bad11:05
SpeedEvilNow, imagine another USB lead plugged into that, and the length of lever you now have to twist the connector off the board11:06
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sakustarSpeedEvil: like the n900 taught us, file all your microusb connectors flat :D13:18
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SpeedEvilyeah - that doesn't really help completely13:18
sakustarwell you could just permanently attach the 90 degree part13:20
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chem|stsakustar: no idea how people manage to break the connector, mine is now ~5 years old and still no issues and I pull the plug on the cord...14:49
sakustarchem|st: you had one from the good patch14:49
chem|stobviously14:49
sakustari bought 4 and all of them broke14:50
chem|stalso my jolla never had those SIMslot or battery connection issues...14:50
chem|stthe vibrator failed though14:50
sakustar:D14:50
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fluxmy fiance has an n900 that has leveled the microusb connectors all by itself15:27
fluxI once tried to use the cord and was wondering if I broke the port or something, there's zero feel about the insertion15:28
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fluxso I guess it's compatible now :)15:28
tiwakeI havent broke mine15:30
tiwakeon my n90015:30
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Nicd-oh damn, jolla ambience photo campaign but the minimum size is 48px more than what my camera produces :(15:53
rigoNicd-: use your N9 :)15:54
Nicd-I don't have an N915:55
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rigoNicd-: :(16:07
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Sailor4481my n9 died (currently) using my jolla).. my n9 has solid led and no response whatsoever17:17
Sailor4481could it be a dead battery? or other more serioud hardware failure?17:18
Sailor4481pls note i tired reflashing with flasher with no success17:19
Sailor4481happy with jolla now but would be nice to have my n9 back to life17:20
baumuhm what was the bug with the installer again? was it caused by changing the project folder or the alternate one?17:23
fluxsailor4481, maybe better luck in #harmattan?17:26
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Sailor4481thanks fir tip flux17:27
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Sailor4481for*17:29
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attahIt seems there are changes to tracker/album art in 1.1.4.2X... does anyone happen to know what they consist of? (I haven't upgraded)18:16
the_mgtyeah, it sucks even more18:16
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attahcrap.. i read the contrary though..18:17
the_mgtalbums by one single artist are now listed under "various artists"18:17
the_mgtall songs in an album display the cover art, but it is not used for the full album18:18
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attahwinning!18:19
the_mgtalso, there is still a size and filetype bug/limit: large coverarts are not displayed and aac/aplle lossless files have no art at all18:19
attahSeems i need to get a move on with my CoverArt app18:20
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BeholdI've been having some very strange issues with my Jolla's touchscreen. Here's a video demonstrating the issue: http://85.227.219.150:8080/touchscreen.webm  Basically, a ~1cm wide strip stretching from one long side to the other along the middle of the phone doesn't respond to touch events properly.18:30
BeholdWhenever I touch the screen somewhere in the affected area, the detected coordinate seems to instead be the nearest coordinate outside the area18:31
BeholdIs there any chance that this is a problem on the software side? Is there anything I can try before doing a factory reset?18:31
kimmolisounds like hw issue to me18:33
BeholdThat's what I'm afraid of18:33
BeholdIt's kind of sporadic though, sometimes the touchscreen won't respond to any input at all, and rarely it works for a while without any issues18:34
kimmoliif it is sw, lowest level to check might be evdev_trace -t18:36
BeholdIf it is a hardware issue I think the cause may have been overheating. Yesterday I noticed that my battery was draining unusually quickly, and that the CPU was very hot; apparently the calendar app had been running at 100% CPU for four hours18:36
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Sailor4481sorry for highjack Behold but how do you check cpu load? uptime?18:38
BeholdI ran top from the terminal18:38
Sailor4481thanks18:38
tbrBehold: sounds like a touchscreen hw problem. If the jolla allows for it then calibration might help. If not it might become a write-off18:39
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Stskeepscontact care is a good start, i haven't heard that issue before18:40
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BeholdYeah, contacting care was my next plan if no one in here had any ideas18:41
Beholdtbr: I tried looking around for calibration settings, but I couldn't find anything. What do you mean by write-off?18:41
tbrStskeeps: my Nexus4 developed this lately too.18:41
tbrStskeeps: on a Nexus7 where I replaced the screen I have a similar problem, but there it's pressure sensitive, pressing the screen strongly makes the screen work normally for a while18:42
Beholdkimmoli: I don't seem to have the evdev_trace command, is there a package that provides it?18:43
kimmolimce-tools18:43
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BeholdAh, yeah, if I hold the phone in landscape mode and move my finger from left to right while evdev_trace is running, I can see the x coordinate jumping directly from ~850 to ~105018:48
BeholdUhm, the y coordinate I mean18:48
BeholdSo yeah, I guess I better just contact care18:49
BeholdThanks18:49
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