#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2015-04-25

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coderusHtheB: sot still, but04:52
coderusnot*04:52
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coderusJolla Phone have NO FM receiver, right??09:04
trulsright09:04
MikaelaI think somone has said that there is something that could work as FM radio, but no antenna09:07
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Stskeepscoderus: there is a chip but not wired up09:12
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Morpog_PCwhat a shame09:23
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temmi_hoothe antenna would need to be pretty long09:24
coderustemmi_hoo: why?09:24
coderusStskeeps: you mean antenna also09:24
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coderus?09:24
temmi_hoofor omnidirectional performance, it should be 1/4 wavelength09:25
r0kk3rzwell it should be hooked up to the headphone jack09:25
coderustemmi_hoo: it's FM09:25
r0kk3rzlike most portable radios09:25
temmi_hoocoderus: roughly 100MHz09:26
temmi_hooif it is FM or AM or USB or QPSK or QAM doesn't mean a thing here, just the wavelentgh09:26
coderustemmi_hoo: so, wavelength is about 3 meters09:27
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temmi_hoothink about a traditional car antenna, that's about optimal09:27
temmi_hooit can be shortened with suitable coil loading circuit but then its directional performance suffers09:28
coderusbut only "stock" antenna. replacement antennas are mostly crap09:28
r0kk3rzyeah but theres optimal, and then theres 'works most of the time'09:28
temmi_hoomost modern phones having fm use the headphone cable as antenna09:28
temmi_hoothey don't receive without headphones plugged in09:28
r0kk3rzexactly09:29
temmi_hoowith headphone jacks being as they are, it's not something i like having plugged in while the phone is in a pocket09:30
r0kk3rznever been a problem for me09:32
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Stskeepscoderus: wiring up to headphone plug, something about pcb space09:38
temmi_hooa good hacker will naturally wire the antenna with patch wire09:40
temmi_hoowire wrap wire is pretty good for smd hacking09:40
r0kk3rzpcb space, not to mention additional noise and testing .etc09:44
temmi_hoobut if you hack it, you don't need to care :)09:44
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HtheBcoderus: I was wondering if you were going to update the launcher patch (I like to have to remove the folder icons and use the "app icons" as folders instead)13:39
coderusHtheB: it's not done13:42
coderustoo much changes13:42
coderusJolla moved to dynamic layout in u1313:43
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coderusmeans for bigger resolution it will have more columns by default13:43
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HtheBhmm13:44
HtheBwhat about just a seperate folder patch to have the clear folder icon?13:44
Morpog_PCHtheB, why don't you try to do it by yourself?14:00
HtheBbecause i was using it only for the folder icon14:00
coderusHtheB: no, thanks :)14:00
HtheBbecause im n00b14:00
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Morpog_PCand?14:00
HtheBMorpog_PC: why reinventing the wheel, while it's already done before14:01
Morpog_PCseems ,ore like: why wasting your own tome when someone else can waste it14:01
HtheBno14:01
Morpog_PCsorry :D14:01
HtheBI'm "wasting"  my time with TOHKBD and Whatsup14:01
HtheBI don't sit here and do nothing...14:01
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eye_ajolla )0!1@ joh14:40
coderusHtheB: i'm just very busy with mitakuuluu now, almost no time for any other projects14:41
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sobukusMy jolla just phoned a lot of people in a row, just lying there with the flashlight app running.15:27
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sobukusI realize this while they call me back.15:27
DrainBamagedYour Jolla has friends too? ;)15:28
sobukusWell, it's trying hard not to be friends with me:-(15:28
sobukusFirst he speaker is suddenly defect (distortion ... or a sudden software glitch?)15:29
sobukusthen it raises the bar of "funny things happen, not sure if software bug or me triggering things by chance without looking via touchscreen"15:29
DrainBamagedHm, mine's never given me any jip, considered sending off for a repair?15:29
sobukusThe speaker thing likely is a repair issue.15:30
sobukusThe spontaneous calling I cannot explain yet.15:30
DrainBamagedIt is a little odd, aye15:30
sobukusIt could be that my finger was on the touchscreen while holding the phone .15:30
sobukusBut the flashlight was running. The phone became rather warm, too.15:31
DrainBamagedI'm no expert, so no clue :S15:31
sobukusMe neither, and I don't like that.15:31
sobukusSometimes I wish for a phone, not a ... thing with a life on its own.15:31
DrainBamagedI do PC repairs, so the old 'Have you tried switching it off and on again?' routine, but I don't think that applies with your phone's faults15:31
sobukusYou may laught, I did switch it off and on.15:32
sobukuslaugh15:32
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sobukusI just bought the thing because of TOHKBD and now I probably will have to send it off for repair while the keyboard might arrive.15:33
* sobukus looks at his old Philips android phone, trusty backup?15:33
sobukusNot that I like the touchscreen on that one.15:33
DrainBamagedI am not lucky enough to order one of those yet, I just have all the other half different colours15:33
DrainBamagedThough I do like the look of the disco one from Funky OH15:34
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coderussobukus: install devicelock code15:36
coderusand your phone can't call anyone :)15:36
DrainBamagedEver again? :P15:36
sobukuscoderus: another kind of code?15:36
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phlixiHi16:06
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phlixiat work i use a lot of vms and i use hyper v there.... (and i like hyper-v...)16:07
phlixinow i need a vm at home and wonder what i should youse16:07
phlixiuse*16:07
phliximaybe, i want to write an app for the jolla phone sometime in the future16:08
phlixii guess, then i should not use hyper-v now, since i can not hyper v together for example with vmware16:08
DrainBamagedMS Virtual PC?16:08
phlixi...but i need some vm stuff if i would want to write an app for jolla, right?16:09
phlixiafaik that does not exist anylonger and is now hyperv16:09
phlixi...and i do not need support for win xp any more :)))16:10
phlixiaccording to the first paragraph of http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Virtual_PC MS Virtual PC is not an option, as i suspected, this is now hyper v16:12
phlixiarent sailfish apps developed against some vm?16:14
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tigeliphlixi_: well, there is VirtualBox16:19
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phlixi_tigeli:  are you familiar with VirtualBox?16:19
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tigeliphlixi_: kind of16:20
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tigeliphlixi_: https://www.virtualbox.org/16:20
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phlixi_is there a free version with some kind of version control for my machines?16:20
tigeliphlixi_: I've opinion about hyper-v too.. it's utter crap :D16:20
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tigeliphlixi_: there's free version and it supports snapshots16:21
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phlixi_tigeli: i use it a lot and it just does all what i need, i can not complain (and i do not want to start a flamewar :) )16:21
phlixi_great, i will try it16:21
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tigeliphlixi_: hehe.. I used to run esx clusters ;)16:21
phlixi_however i am curios why you think it is crap16:21
tigeliphlixi_: and because of that.. the opinion ;)16:22
phlixi_while i understand someone might not like ms, this does not make their products crap16:22
tigelibut sure, hyper-v has evolved since then16:22
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tigeliphlixi_: well, the first touch with hyper-v was something like: "wtf.. you can't remove snapshots while the vm is running" ;)16:23
tigeliphlixi_: I guess it can do it nowadays16:23
tigelibut yeah.. vmware is bit more ahead16:23
tigeliand more expensive too16:24
phlixi_my machines are started when i boot up my workstation, o have nice little trees of version of those machines which i can switch around within a few seconds, the machines need little space on the drive etc...16:24
phlixi_i guess thats a low requirement to those vm systems, but hyper-v does all that prefectly for me16:24
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tigeliphlixi_: of course it's about the needs :)16:25
phlixi_i am not sure if it is possible now, but in my case i can simply stop the machine within 2 seconds16:25
phlixi_on the other hand, for some reason i dont know, i have vmplayer here (private) and it can nothing. i have to copy 10gb to get some kind of "snapshot"16:26
tigeliphlixi_: well, you can't just stop vm's in environment where you are supposed to keep the systems running 24/716:26
tigeliphlixi_: and I guess that's the difference :)16:26
phlixi_tigeli: thats perfectly celar to me, but does not matter, i use them for testing etc, not rinning services16:26
tigeli:)16:26
tigeliyep, for testing hyper-v should be just fine16:26
phlixi_and its freee16:27
tigeliand of course lots of enterprises have switched to hyper-v recently due the costs of vmware16:27
phlixi_(yes i know it isnt, but icomes with win816:27
tigeliI think we had to pay ~150ke per year for the support for vmware.. ;)16:27
tigeliand not speaking about the licenses :)16:28
phlixi_also it was prety easy to convert an old physical machine into a vm16:28
tigeliwell, that's been easy for the last 10 years16:28
phlixi_i guess most of my needs are pretty easy ones16:28
tigeliphlixi_: well, I don't use ESX's at home either ;)16:28
phlixi_however, i see that vmware player does not do what i want, thus i was looking for an alternative16:29
tigeliyeah, vmware player.. sucks ;)16:29
tigeliwould have to be something like vmware workstation16:29
phlixi_now you begin to understand why i like hyperv :P16:29
phlixi_but thats expensive i guess16:29
tigeliwith osx the vmware fusion is quite cheap though16:29
tigelibut on linux machines I use either kvm+qemu or virtualbox16:30
tigeliyes, workstation is not free16:30
phlixi_i am on windows (and i do not see that chaning in the near future, and if, then linux, but for sure not mac)16:30
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tigeliphlixi_: but please try out the virtualbox16:31
tigeliit's not perfect but does the job rather well16:31
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phlixi_but oracle is evil16:31
phlixi_:D16:31
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phlixi_kidding, already downloading16:32
tigeliwell, oracle is evil :D16:33
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phlixi_well, i guess it was a waste of bandwidth to download 182 patches for win7, as i will trash the machine and startover with vb16:33
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phlixi_yeah, but so is ms, thus this is not an argument for or against virtualbox or hyperv16:34
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phlixi_well, i am in bavaria. we have laws that force supermarkets to close at 8pm and not opening on sunday... i have to proceed later... but i will try virtualbox, thanks tigeli :-)16:36
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tigeliphlixi_: haha.. never heard of Bavaria, had to google it. I really don't get it why Germans translate City/State/everything. :D16:39
tigeliBayern would have said something :)16:39
tigelilike Kln.. it's Kln, not Cologne :D16:39
phlixi_or Nuremberg16:39
phlixi_I live in Nürnberg16:39
phlixi_:)16:40
phlixi_i guess it is more the other way around16:40
phlixi_there is praha, prag and prague16:40
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tigeli:)16:42
tigeliI will visit the Gnzburg in the summer.. Legoland! ;)16:42
phlixi_thats like 100, maybe 200km from here16:43
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phlixi_...and they also have to close their shops at 8pm :-)16:45
phlixi_cu16:45
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HtheBcoderus: thanks for the clarification :)16:58
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chem|stnope18:36
chem|stBOFH answer is yes18:36
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tadzikhrm, my Store is still stuck on Loading apps23:09
tadzikwarehouse works fine23:09
coderusdelete and create jolla account?23:10
tadzikhm, worth a try23:10
tadzikyep, that worked. Thanks coderus23:11
HtheBI have some problems with my jolla23:16
HtheBI've been trying to install an android app, but I keep getting an error that my memory is full23:16
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HtheBalthough I still have like 3GB left on my device23:17
Yanielbtrfs balance23:17
HtheByeah i've been checking on google, but I didn't understand anything about the btrfs balance23:17
HtheBwhat exactly should I do?23:18
Yanielif you can, free up some more space just to be sure23:18
Yanielthen run devel-su btrfs fi balance start /23:18
HtheByeah i've removed a lot already23:18
HtheB(more like 1GB)23:18
HtheBalright, let me run the command23:19
Yanielthe btrfs version on the device tends to explode over time23:19
Yanielunless rebalanced every now and then23:19
HtheBi've got the early access version23:19
HtheBshouldn't it be fixed by now? :P23:19
Yanielno23:19
Yanielthe kernel hasn't been updated (only patched) so the btrfs version is still the same23:20
Yanielearly access should balancy on tuesday nights if the phone is connected to the charger23:20
HtheBmakes sence23:20
HtheBbalancing right now23:20
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HtheBany idea how long it could take?23:21
Yaniel0.5-1h probably23:22
HtheBouch,23:22
HtheBshould have asked first :P23:23
Yanieldon't ctrl+c it23:23
HtheBno no23:23
Yanielif you want to stop it, open a new terminal23:23
Yanieland issue the same command with s/start/stop/23:23
HtheBwhat exactly does this btrfs do?23:23
Yanielit is a filesystem23:23
Yanieloptimized for flash memory23:23
HtheBhmm23:23
TemeVbtrfs is not actually for flash23:24
HtheBi see23:24
TemeVit is just in general very scalable file system23:24
HtheBwill there be a kernel update?23:24
TemeVmostlikely not, because there is no drivers for newer kernels, AFAIK23:25
HtheBthis is kinda serious 'bug' :(23:26
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Yanielthat's how it is unfortunately23:27
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HtheBDone, had to replace 22 out of 22 chunks23:46
HtheBrelocate *23:47
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HtheBYaniel: problem still there :(23:48
Yanielstrange23:48
* HtheB reboots device23:48
HtheB:(23:50
HtheBwhat else could it be?23:50
HtheBI have 3GB left, i just want to install Sygic, which is only like 30MB...23:51
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falfaexactly23:53
Yanielwhat does btrfs fi show / say?23:53
HtheBas root?23:57
HtheBERROR: unable get label Inappropriate ioctl for device23:58
* HtheB removed another 1.5GB and STILL have the same problem :P23:59

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