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* coderus sad after updating kubuntu to 15.04, KDE5 beauty and buggy. DO not upgrade if you like KDE4.00:50
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greenithi, is there a swype-like keyboard for the jolla? preferably installable via the store or warehouse06:07
locusfcoderus: now you're telling me, just upgraded last night :p06:08
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Bysmyyrgreenit: nope06:10
greenit:(06:12
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coderusgreenit: there is one under development by some people06:21
tzafrirMy GPS doesn't seem to work. See what I just added in:06:21
tzafrirhttps://together.jolla.com/question/25740/gps-takes-forever-to-find-location-after-1038/06:21
coderuslocusf: it was 5 hours ago, it was night :D06:21
tzafrirAny idea what I should check?06:21
greenitcoderus: do you probably know the name of it or do you have a link for me? :)06:21
locusfcoderus: yeah06:22
locusfmy fonts are all sorts of bad06:22
coderustzafrir: try CSD tests for GPS06:22
coderusgreenit: no, just somw swype-like keyboard, they talking sometimes about development things on #sailfishos06:22
greenitah, thanks06:23
tzafrircoderus, sorry, I'm not familiar with the term. Any FM for me to R?06:23
coderustzafrir: *#*#310#*#*06:25
tzafrircoderus, sorry, but I still don't follow. I should dial this string? I should send it to some device? What should I expect?06:29
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coderusdial of course06:31
tzafrirWhat should I expect?06:31
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coderuscsd tool06:35
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coderushm, it seems not working from dialer anymore? o_O06:37
coderusStskeeps: ^ ?06:37
coderustzafrir: just type csd in terminal then06:37
Stskeepsit should work06:37
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coderusStskeeps: i just tried, and it dialed *#*#310#*#*, not started csd06:38
Stskeepscoderus: should06:39
teveworks for me06:39
coderusi didn't even patched it, it's my girlfriend jolla with 1.1.4.2806:40
coderuswtf06:41
coderusbrb after Ultron Avengers movie :D06:41
TemeV*#*#310#*#* seems to work for me too06:41
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temmi_hoocsd?06:44
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tzafrirRan the GPS test from the csd tool (dialed that number to get it)06:50
tzafrirI went outside to get good conditions for the GPS. Waited for a few minutes. Nada. No lock06:50
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Nicd-tzafrir: if you don't have assisted GPS, it might take even 15-20 minutes to get the whole GPS almanac06:51
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tzafrirWhat is assisted GPS?06:51
japa-fi_phones suck without assisted gps.06:51
Nicd-tzafrir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS06:52
tzafrirShould the GPS work in-doors?06:52
japa-fi_Assisted gps: The phone opens data connection and download the "gps calendar" to speed up getting the fix.06:52
Nicd-tzafrir: not really06:52
Nicd-you need visibility to the satellites06:52
Nicd-japa-fi_: doesn't it sometimes also use GSM positioning?06:52
japa-fi_Without that data, phone needs to receive the calendar data from satellite. It's transmitted with something like 50 bps, and if there is error in the sequence (which takes about 1 minute), the whole sequence need to be re-downloaded again06:53
tzafrirA while ago I drove a whole day in my car. The phone is mounted in a relatively good place in under the front shild06:53
tzafrirI still failed to get anything06:53
japa-fi_Nicd-, I think it uses that too _or_ that data is transmitted with the calendar data request, thus in reply you get rough location data estimate from the phone network (my speculation only)06:54
tzafrirMy data connection (3G) is always on06:54
zuttophones have difficulties in cars, its normal06:54
temmi_hoogetting a fix when moving is hard06:54
temmi_hooyou should wait stationary to get gps fix and then start moving06:55
tzafrirIn short, could someone please give me an advice on how to get my phone to actually get the GPS working?06:55
japa-fi_With my hand held GPS, I've learned that the fastest way to get fix is to stay still on wide open area.06:55
zuttotemmi_hoo: its opposite with actual gps navigators ;o06:55
tzafrirIt never did work (disclaimer: only tried it several times)06:55
zuttowith navigators, the fastest way to get accurate directions is to drive to big open roads06:55
japa-fi_roughly 1 minute. If I just turn the device on and start driving in city area, it might not get fix even in ten minutes06:56
japa-fi_Same does apply with car navigator06:56
temmi_hoozutto: yes because they heuristically know where you  might be from the cloud of uncertainity06:56
temmi_hooespecially if you happen to take an intersection06:57
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japa-fi_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS06:57
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zuttothey are pretty accurate these days06:57
tzafrirI'll point out that I drove on open country roads most of the day.07:00
tzafrirSo for all of you here the Jolla phone GPS takes ~15 minutes to fixate?07:01
tzafrirThis is surprising07:01
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Nicd-no, it takes a minute or so with AGPS. if I'm stationary07:02
Nicd-if I'm moving, it will take a long time07:02
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tzafrirThe Jolla GPS is agps if I have network connection?07:03
Morpog_PCyes07:03
japa-fi_For my Jolla and for my N900, it took 10+ minutes to get fix without aGPS, on wide open area, just slightly moving (walking)07:03
tzafrirSo if I have 3G enabled, and stand outside in the sun for a few minutes, I should get the GPS fixed?07:03
japa-fi_If you have data connection, you should have agps07:03
japa-fi_(the reason I tried with N900 without aGPS was because I was abroad, no data available)07:04
temmi_hoohaving wifi doesn't help?07:04
greenithowever, you must activate the option "faster positioning" (or something similar, don't have an english version, sry) for agps07:04
japa-fi_Wifi may help.07:04
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tzafrirOne thing to check: I kept getting "connection error" messages from the wifi. It was trying to reconnect.07:05
tzafrirMaybe it was trying to use the wifi and not the 3g07:05
japa-fi_Settings -> system -> location -> faster position fix07:05
tzafrirLet's try turning the wifi off07:05
tzafrirjapa-fi, no, Settings -> system -> location (check that)07:06
* tzafrir wears a brown paper bag07:06
temmi_hoowhich reminds me, hackers around the world should set up intentional open and closed wifis where the base station mac and ssid move around the world07:06
temmi_hoojust to thwart googles mapping a bit07:07
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tzafrirI'll skip agps for now. here.com's server can't even properly show me the privacy statement07:09
tzafrirThanks all07:10
tzafrirtemmi_hoo, "hackers" do that all the time: wifi connection sharing07:12
tzafrirsorry: mobile phones connection sharing07:12
temmi_hooyup that07:12
temmi_hoowhat i meant was more like having the same mac/ssid combo suddenly appear totally elsewhere around the world07:13
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chem|sttemmi_hoo: does not matter...07:26
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chem|stor does if you see only that wlan but doubt that is the case07:27
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tadzikStore, down for everyone or just me?10:01
Nicd-works for me10:03
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tadzikhmm, I'll try Rebuild App Registry10:32
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Joonaado i get calls and messages while developer mode is enabled?11:42
Stskeepsi'd certainly hope so11:43
Stskeepsit doesn't kill your social circle11:43
Stskeeps:P11:43
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ggabriellol and yes, you def get calls/sms's11:44
ggabrieli do at least, but i tell nobody that i have dev mode enabled for fear to ending up alone in life11:44
tadzikdeveloper mode is the superset of non-developer mode, basically11:44
tadzikso no worries :) It's not taking anything away11:44
Joonaalol, great11:45
Joonaasomehow i had this idea that i dont...11:46
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coderusJoonaa: right after enabling devmode you can do everything, but you can easily break device using new forces :)12:06
SfietKonstantinWbecause the force is strong with this one12:08
SfietKonstantinWuse the force luke12:08
SfietKonstantinWetc.12:08
coderuslong time ago, in far away shell The First Script was executed...12:12
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kimmolibut which one was first, shell or script?12:35
ggabrielthe protoshell and the protoscript12:36
temmi_hooscript was first, then someone noticed that those could possibly be written on the fly to a command line12:37
temmi_hoothus was the shell born12:38
IZhIn the beginning was the word ;-)12:38
Jopein the beginning were machine code instructions fed over paper tape...12:38
temmi_hooloom!12:39
kimmoliStskeeps: you did like binaural stuff? http://onlinetonegenerator.com/binauralbeats.html but this is not for everyone, "You should not use the Binaural Beat Generator if you are under 18, pregnant, prone to seizures or suffer from a mental illness."12:41
kroJope: what about those tubes that were wired individually? :-p12:41
Stskeepskimmoli: ah fuck on the last one..12:41
Jopekro :-)12:42
Jopeiron core memoryyyyyyy12:42
temmi_hoolooms were there before tubes or cores12:43
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Joonaawhatsapp (android): can i make the contacts work when they have the country codes in their numbers?12:47
Joonaawhatsapp seems to only check for numbers with no country codes12:47
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