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* Stskeeps yawns06:13
SceltStskeeps: I read "spawns"06:14
Stskeepsnah, been there, done that..06:14
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Stskeepshttps://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-4/07:10
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tadzik\o/07:15
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AnonynekoWell, it's not like I didn't expect the tablet to be delayed, I wonder what the differences between the screens are08:03
ggabrieluh? tablet delayed?08:03
TemeV"New shipping target for Jolla Tablet: end of July 2015" :/08:04
ggabrielsource?08:04
TemeV[10:10] < Stskeeps> https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-4/08:04
ggabrielta08:04
StskeepsAnonyneko: ask on the blog, i guess08:04
AnonynekoI learned from an email addressed to contributors08:04
ggabrielso i need to fix my countdown08:05
scottcthat's a pain :(08:05
scottcjust read it too08:05
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IZhI hope, the screen is not AMOLED.08:07
AnonynekoYou're reading my mind08:07
Stskeeps(what's wrong with AMOLED, ooi?)08:07
chem|sttransreflective, IPS08:07
AnonynekoPersonally I'm not too fond of the subpixel arrangement08:08
chem|stStskeeps: amoled is only for powersaving08:08
Stskeepsi'm not sure i've seen a 2K resolution amoled yet though08:08
AnonynekoIt makes the picture kinda grainy and it feels weird08:08
IZhThey degrade very fast. Plus their pentile is more visible than tft08:08
tiwaketablet delivery is delayed08:08
tiwakesurprised? not really08:09
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tiwakesuch is the life of producing something new08:09
Stskeepshardware is hard08:09
tiwakejep08:09
tiwakebelieve me I know... lol08:09
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AnonynekoWell, yeah, this was pretty much expected08:10
tiwakeeven before the product is shipped, would anyone like an aluminum machined housing for the tablet?08:10
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kimmolitiwake: sounds interesting08:12
tiwakeI own a machine shop, and we are kinda looking at products to make that people might like to buy... heh.. depending on how it is, I might make one for me and then see if other people want to buy one08:12
chem|stit is, I have another kickstarter delayed as someone designed a mold - shipped it to china - waited for samples - designed new mold - waited for samples - let the manufacturer design the mold... ;)08:12
AnonynekoIs it like a case?08:13
AnonynekoThe aluminum thing08:13
tiwaketake apart the tablet, replace plastic outer shell with aluminum machined one08:13
AnonynekoOh, sounds fun08:13
tiwakeat least thats the idea... donno... depends on how it was designed08:14
kimmolimultiple parts then, if the final is like in MWC08:15
tiwakeMWC?08:15
IZhStskeeps: My cousin has a small phone shop. He faced the problem with amoled phones lying in glass showcase under bright lamps. The displays were covered with a plastic sticker with android logo. And this logo is tanned on the screen. So after sticker removal when you look at white page you will see the android logo. :-)08:15
ggabrieli feel a bit sorry for jolla since they announced that they were "ahead of schedule" earlier this year, sadly you can't unsay that and haters are going to hate08:16
IZhStskeeps: I told him to put another, inverted sticker ;-)08:16
Stskeepsggabriel: shit happens :)08:17
tiwakeI was going to make a nice dock thing for my N900, but then they kind of discontinued software development and sold to microsoft and junk... so whatever08:17
IZhStskeeps: to degrade screen brightness equally.08:18
tiwakejolla is a more fun company to make stuff for anyway08:18
kimmolitiwake: mobile world thing08:19
tiwakeoh that thing08:19
kimmolihave you made alu toh already?08:20
tiwake..?08:20
tiwakealuminum the other half?08:20
kimmoliy08:20
tiwakeI live in USA, and dont have a jolla phone08:20
wysiwtfhm08:21
wysiwtfa dock/keyboard for the tab might be nice08:21
tiwake(wish I did have a jollaphone)08:21
tiwakemaybe next phone hardware iteration08:21
tiwakewhenever that is08:21
IZhBy the way, Nokia has plans for 2016 to make a phone. They bought Alcatel. What if they try to buy Jolla?08:21
wysiwtfthat would be ironic, wouldnt it? ^^08:23
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wysiwtfi wonder where they got the cash for alcatel-lucent from anyway08:23
wysiwtfmicrosoft seems to have dismantled the company pretty good08:23
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jaacoppiwysiwtf: not bought in cash, but in stock08:24
jaacoppiwas it 0.6 nokia shares for every 1 alcatel-lucent share08:24
wysiwtfwhich means nokia is worth more as a company than alcatel-lucent08:24
jaacoppieh, /stock/whatever word is correct here, share perhaps?/08:24
wysiwtfwhich probably means they must still be in bood business somewhere08:25
kimmolitiwake: oh, ok08:25
jaacoppiindeed. Nokia has stated that they bought alcatel-lucent, the companies didn't merge08:25
wysiwtfbut i heard nokia wants to focus on telco and network equip08:25
tiwakekimmoli: I know... sadface :(08:25
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IZhwysiwtf: like Ericsson after Sony?08:26
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AnonynekoWell, that and lending their brand and expertise for consumer devices08:28
AnonynekoI wonder if their phone is going to be, hardware-wise, a Foxconn iPhone clone much like the tablet was08:29
tiwakeis that the manufacturer?08:29
tiwakeerm08:30
tiwaketalking about nokia?08:30
AnonynekoYeah08:30
tiwakemeh, its late for me, and I'm tired and confused08:30
AnonynekoNokia N1 was basically a branded Foxconn tablet with Nokia's Android launcher after all, as far as I know08:31
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Nicd-IZh: what is your source about nokia having plans for a phone? so far all I've heard are rumors08:35
IZhNicd-: http://marketingland.com/nokia-coming-back-as-android-smartphone-brand-in-2016-12570608:37
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AnonynekoRe/code is a pretty legit source08:39
Nicd-citing unnamed sources. I'll just wait though I think it's a likely development08:39
AnonynekoWell, those are only plans anyway, it's not like anything is confirmed08:40
jaacoppihype on08:41
Nicd-would be the greatest irony if Nokia started selling them like hotcakes and Microsoft was left with WP that doesn't sell08:41
AnonynekoAnd this is also old news as Nokia pretty much announced plans on partner devices back when it announced N108:41
AnonynekoThey just didn't say "phones" because Microsoft deal08:41
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AnonynekoWell, the Lumia 520 is selling well apparently... I mean the thing is dirt cheap08:42
Nicd-afaik the market share is tiny everywhere except finland08:42
AnonynekoIt's generally a bit higher in the EU than in the rest of the world08:43
AnonynekoBut yeah, unless they make some miracle with W10 (and looks like they won't) I don't see their market share changing for the better really, but I suppose they don't mind with their current strategy08:44
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tadzikhrm, can I *register* on pebble appstore from smoku's app?10:08
tadzikI only see a way to login10:08
ppre nokia, sure they will have phones (probably not alcatel-lucent -based tech for a very long time tho :P )10:10
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ppbut not selling nokia-named phones would be stupid10:11
tadzikah, there's accounts.getpebble.com. Good thing it's linked to from somewhere...10:15
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chem|stpp: alcatel-lucent isn't alcatel phones, it is infrastructure10:57
temmi_hooAlcatel NokiA Lucent would compete with Ericsson10:59
chem|sttemmi_hoo: Nokia Siemens Alcatel Systems?11:00
chem|stpp: alcatel onetouch is the company behind phones and iirc not part of alcatel lucent11:01
kimmoli.. ALcatal-LUcent reminds me Allun grilli, which reminds me "parhaat ranskalaiset saa grilliltä"11:01
* kimmoli hides11:01
chem|stpp: oh and that is already sold, no more alcatel, is owned by TCL11:02
temmi_hoosiemens has world famous track record for secure automation, so it is worthy to mention that11:02
tbrthe phone line of alcatel was brought into a joint venturewith tcl in the mid naughties.11:02
tbrand later AL divested11:02
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ppah :-)11:04
ppkimmoli: or even "älä osta ranskalaisia muualta kuin grilliltä"11:05
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ppthey're pretty good at striking if they're not happy :(11:05
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Nicd-karhulan grilli <311:06
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fluxok, so now that Phonehook works great for online phone number lookup, is someone working on one that redirects telemarketers to a scripted voice chat?-)11:14
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tango_hm periodically my google calendars disappear11:45
Nicd-welcome to the club :)11:46
tango_oh well11:46
tango_at least I'm not alone11:46
chriadamhttps://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugins-social/commit/e2e6ce5f289e52a671de2a18675e3dcf6bdd52d411:48
chriadamif you're willing to build the latest packages and test, I'd be grateful.  the more testing the code is put through, the better.11:49
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nemo__hello13:07
nemo__i have a question...13:09
Stskeepsshoot13:09
nemo__when connected to bluetooth-keyboard...13:09
nemo__like i am now13:09
nemo__how do i change layout?13:10
nemo__i need DVORAK13:11
Stskeepsmmm i don't think we've implemented that functionality yet13:11
Stskeepsit's in progress afaik13:11
nemo__i hate this horrible qwertyshit13:11
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nemo__i am so hanicapped13:11
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nemo__what kind of inputmetho does fingerterm in sailfishos use> can it be tweaked?13:13
nemo__i am used to gentoo13:13
tbrnemo__: you can edit the layout. IIRC it's a simple text file or such13:16
tbrnot sure if anyone ever did13:16
nemo__tbr: where is it at/what is it called?13:18
tbrI don't remember, it's been ages since I've looked at it.13:19
nemo__im gonna o it until I can type on this messy keyboard13:19
tbr"Use the source, Luke!"13:19
nemo__rapoo bt ultraslim kb 4 ipad13:19
tbrbeing a gentoo person that shouldn't be a foreign concept13:20
nemo__too compact 4 my taste13:20
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newinhey guys!14:04
newinI wrote/did this, what do you think =) https://together.jolla.com/question/19564/jolla-2nd-device-hw-suggestions/?answer=90793#post-id-9079314:06
Sailor-2gethernew display for jolla tablet14:11
Sailor-2getherand new delay14:14
Sailor-2getherNew shipping target: end of July 201514:14
wysiwtfif that date still stand mid july i might believe it :p14:15
politiejolla edge14:15
newinSailor-2gether: a new display ?14:16
Sailor-2getherSince we want to offer you the best possible hardware, we chose to switch to a new display. This display is better than the original with a more balanced color spectrum. The display change also causes a slight delay in the tablet production.14:16
grzywaczIs this an official email-irc relay? :D14:17
newin=O14:17
Sailor-2getheryep14:17
Sailor-2getherxD14:17
newinI did not saw this part14:17
grzywaczAll's good, I wouldn't have time to play with it now anyway.14:17
grzywaczAnd the initial timeline looked too ambitious anyway. :P14:17
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Sailor-2getherI am in holidays at end of july xD14:18
Sailor-2getherdamn ^^14:18
Stskeepsread blog comments14:19
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chem|stnewin: jolla won't drive hardware technology as of yet, it is a software company after all14:23
Sailor-2getherhttps://together.jolla.com/question/90799/wpa_supplicant-p2p-ssid-processing-vulnerability/14:24
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Stskeepstigeli: ^14:26
newinchem|st: okay... =/ I hope the team will concider it anyway (even the probatility to see it happen is verry low...)14:26
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dr_gogeta86newin, potentially14:36
dr_gogeta86https://build.merproject.org/package/show/mer-core:release/wpa_supplicant14:37
dr_gogeta86i don't think needs testing14:37
dr_gogeta861.014:37
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Temereal men test in production14:55
Temedon't you people have any confidence14:55
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* ggabriel_ wonders where real women test :P15:08
tiwakethey don't exist on the internet, so its not an issue15:09
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coderus15.04 here15:55
Mikaelasame15:56
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tigeliStskeeps: not affected..18:10
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juhajDoes anyone have a working owncloud client setup on jolla?19:50
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juhajI'm trying to set up server: http://foobar/owncloud/, username: foo and password bar, but what apache sees on the server is an attempt to log in as "-"19:51
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keithzgHeh I read the new shipping target e-mail and for a minute was confused20:22
keithzgI had remembered shipping starting in July 2015 always being the plan . . .20:22
keithzgThen I realized that these past few years of working for a business that ships products has made me automatically and sometimes entirely subconciously translate intended shipping dates to actual shipping dates once the Real World gets its punches in ;)20:23
keithzgIn fact my boss just came up to me and asked how to change the milestone dates in our bugtracker since (surprise!) we missed our overly-optimistic release schedule for the upcoming release, heh.20:24
eye_ahttp://www.xda-developers.com/david-greaves-xdadevcon-2014/20:25
juhajDoes anyone have a working owncloud client setup on jolla? (Sorry for repeating, but it's been deathly quiet since I asked that until now)20:26
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keithzgjuhaj: I *swear* I had that working at one point before but it's been a while now and I don't have my Nexus 4 or Jolla on me today :( I will say I've never had any issues with the ocNews client, but of course that's a different app.20:28
juhajIt just cannot seem to log in. Apache logs say it tries to20:29
juhajPROPFIND /owncloud/remote.php/webdav/20:29
juhajwhereas working clients do20:29
juhajPROPFIND /owncloud/remote.php/webdav20:29
keithzgHmm.20:29
juhajThat's all I can see happening20:29
keithzgEither *should* work though20:29
keithzgI've definitely done with the trailing slash when just using my desktop file browser.20:29
juhajIf I knew mod_rewrite, I think I could try rewriting it20:29
keithzgI'd try with your file browser to go to the one with the trailing slash, see if it works or not.20:30
juhajkeithzg: Yes, both work20:31
keithzgjuhaj: So some other issue than just the URL it's trying to use then, eh?20:31
juhajBut there is a difference: the browser does the propfind with a username, the app (and owncloud desktop client don't)20:32
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juhajOk, that's because the browser was already logged in ;)20:33
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keithzgHeh that'd do it ;)20:33
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juhajUsing a non-logged-in browser does the /-terminated PROPFIND without a username (and gives me a login-window)20:33
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keithzgSo this is a client app in Harbour you're trying to use? (Sorry, been out of the game for a bit, although I've been using ownCloud I haven't touched much Sailfish stuff in a bit since I stopped wearing a heavy winter jacket with pockets for a third phone, haha)20:36
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juhajkeithzg: Hm.. looks like that's the openrepos version, but could try the one from Jolla20:46
keithzgjuhaj: I was more asking generally, heh, last time I had used a client on my Jolla it was actually teh Android one.20:46
keithzgSo I wasn't actually sure which client you were using.20:46
keithzgMy related question was/is if the client is actually up to date and interoperable with the latest ownCloud versions.20:47
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juhajHm... good question20:50
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juhajMy owncloud is 7.0.3, so not too new20:51
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juhajHm.. my apache listens only to tpc6 apparently. Wonder if THAT could be the problem? (although I cannot understand why the connection still works)21:24
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raa700probably some sort of black magic21:31
juhajSorted out: the server IP address was not considered "trusted" by owncloud.21:32
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tiwakehttp://www.anandtech.com/show/9184/arm-reveals-cortex-a72-architecture-details21:37
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stephg /quit21:38
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M4rtinKhttps://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/m4rtink/modrana/21:51
M4rtinK^^^ modRana packages for Fedora :)21:51
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