#jollamobile log for Monday, 2015-04-27

HtheB_I was looking for some left over sygic files (from the previous version that I had), and I've found out there there was a file 'com.sygic.aura-1.odex' file at '/data/app'. After deleting that file, I could suddenly install the app! so it was some sort of write permission that caused the error of 'not enough space'00:03
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Yanielhmm05:41
Yanieljust had to reboot because I was stuck on the lockscreen05:41
Yanielswipe from top to lock screen worked, swipe from bottom brought up events view05:42
Yanielbut normal swipes didn't work05:42
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Yanieland doubletapping the power button only toggled the screen on/off05:42
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MoritzJTHas anyone found a way to remove stuck and obsolete recurring android notifications? I've got one persistent even through the uninstallation of the source app.06:29
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Yanielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/643/feature-request-rss-in-events-feeds/ bump because I'm really missing this06:51
Nicd-I'd rather have a documented API for pushing into events feed, then have a 3rd party app use that (dunno if there already is such an API and if it's allowed in harbour)06:54
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tbrNicd-: dbus notifications, there is a nemo library or such06:55
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Nicd-is there a way to push many of them to the events view from the same app? and so that they don't necessarily show a pop up?06:56
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tbrno idea, check api06:57
Yanielthat 3rd party app should have daemon running to update the feed even when the app is closed06:58
Yaniela systemd user service triggered by a systemd timer would work as well07:00
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Yanielanyway automatically updating (without open app) RSS that shows unread stuff in notifications07:00
tbrservices are probably still no-no, but I think you can hide apps07:01
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* Yaniel crosses fingers for 2.007:09
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YanielI also like the idea of color management on the tablet07:09
Yanielthat would likely make it a good candidate for many graphics/design professionals07:10
Yanieland should not be much more than wiring up colord07:10
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kimmolihmm. waiting for this as app, http://blog.ebv.com/no-ios-zone-hack-makes-ios-devices-useless/08:20
temmi_fooi like the workaround for it08:20
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jaacoppi_http://i57.tinypic.com/335cqs5.jpg just spotted a jolla sticker in the wild08:49
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Temei've spotted many jolla users in the wild08:49
Temeactually all on the bus in Tampere between the technical university and the centre08:50
Temei've said hi to everyone with the First One ToH :P08:50
jaacoppinot to people with other tohs?08:52
the_mgti never used the first one toh, i didn't like the orange :(08:53
temmi_fooorange is the best colour possible <308:53
temmi_fooi love it08:53
ln-orange? it was mostly red.08:53
ln-and still is.08:54
the_mgtorange is mostly red and some yellow...08:56
Yanielit is vermilion08:56
Temejaacoppi: nope, they might be some innocent non-techies :)08:59
HelleTeme: My uni has a couple of them roaming around08:59
Temewhich uni is that?08:59
HelleUniversity of Amsterdam08:59
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Temecool :)08:59
Hellewe are very much a Linux place, so Jolla makes sense :)09:00
HelleBut I am now at the point where I might need to buy a cheap Android phone for some apps I need that just won't work on Jolla and can't be reimplemented without a reference09:00
Temedid you know your nick in finnish means "heat" in finnish? :P09:00
HelleTeme: yes I did know that09:01
inzI like the fact that there is a Jolla phone with first one toh in finnish soap opera, "Salatut Elämät"09:01
HelleBut it's a reference to Helle from Jason and the Argonauts (and hence the water Hellespont)09:01
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temmi_fooi'm also wearing a orange beanie09:01
HelleI hate having to buy a new Android device, even if it's only 60 euro :(09:01
Temei am actually soon at that point since after Sailfish was upgraded to QT 5.2 it's taking up so much memory the hardware can't drive it anymore09:01
temmi_foohelle saa ihmiset epävireeseen09:01
Helletemmi_foo: I don't speak that much Finnish :P09:02
TemeOOM killer killing media player is just intolerable :|09:02
Helletemmi_foo: I was about to ask you if the Dutch was leaking09:02
Morpog_PCnext device really needs at least 2GB ram09:02
temmi_fooln-: it is most definitely a very good orange09:02
HelleI only get OOM killer if I really run too much or run Android apps that are badly coded09:02
temmi_foocalling that red is like calling bianchi bike colour blue09:03
HelleBut I need two Android apps now that won't work on Jolla, one for my sports watch and the other for instant car rental stuff09:04
HelleI guess it is going to end up with me having two phones in my purse09:04
Morpog_PCHelle, do you have play services installed?09:04
Morpog_PCBecause that makes like 99% of apps workable09:05
HelleMorpog_PC: yes, still breaks the apps09:05
HelleMorpog_PC: the sports watch needs Bluetooth LE access and the car rental does silly things with maps that just breaks09:05
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Morpog_PChmmm, sounds bad09:06
Morpog_PCI also think about getting a cheap Android device as a daily driver09:06
Helleand the first I could fix, IF the whole Android stack on Jolla was open09:07
Morpog_PClike a Huawei Honor Holly - 99€09:07
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HelleMorpog_PC: my idea is to just use one for these specific things09:08
HelleI prefer the Jolla UI way too much09:08
Morpog_PCme too09:08
Helleso I am getting the cheapest phone with Android 4.4 and Bluetooth LE09:08
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Morpog_PCbut I hate not gettings messages on whatsapp and facebook messenger after a while. Every few hours I need to close that apps and open them again09:08
Helleoh, right, I don't use Whatsapp or Facebook09:09
Morpog_PCit's the small things which break the the fun09:10
entilnot using wa or fb today is strange09:10
entilI'm one of those guys who don't, and now that I went back to being single I can't imagine what it'd be like to get back into the dating game without whatsapp or facebook09:10
entilthe closest I'll probably get is redtube09:10
kimmoli:)09:11
kimmolidid we have app for it?09:11
kimmolido*09:11
entil!09:11
entilwonder if that's even doable, no idea how their videos work, but afaik all those sites use flash players at least09:12
Morpog_PCwould be interesting to see if it gets accepted on Jolla Store :D09:12
Sail0rthey have a xbox and ps4 app ^^09:12
Sail0rfor youporn at least09:12
entiljolla store would have to implement age checks, and eventually a new category for apps and games...09:13
temmi_fooentil: what's wa? fb i know but don't use09:13
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Helleentil: If Facebook was a fair and open company, perhaps09:13
entiltemmi_foo: whatsapp09:13
temmi_foooh09:13
Hellecurrently, noooope, as a tech company they are interesting, but I dislike their ethics09:13
temmi_fooisn't it a kind of irc for dummies who want to give everybody their phone number?09:14
the_mgtdon't use facebook and whatsup either09:14
entilHelle: facebook uses the metadata to filter ads and recommendations and shit, probably hands it over to the nsa at the drop of a hat and most likely would encrypt the messages with their key if they didn't know the client was under constant reverse-engineering - it's abhorrent09:14
the_mgtwouldn't be interested in dating a user of these, too09:14
Morpog_PClol09:15
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entilI was overjoyed by finding mitakuuluu to use with the recent ex, but that's risky now with their blocking policy09:15
Morpog_PClike 99% of women are on facebook09:15
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chem|stthe_mgt: where is your p0rn uploaded then?09:15
the_mgtbut wrt pornsites: i guess they aren't using flash any more, since they would lose revenue from all the ios users09:15
Helleand yeah, I am currently not in the dating game, university is taking up too much time for me :P09:15
the_mgtchem|st: it is all on irc...09:15
HelleI'm on Twitter, IRC and XMPP, all I need :P09:16
entilI never really got into twitter... had a phase when I was reading it somewhat vigorously but meh09:16
the_mgtalso, i am in a happy relationship since a long while now09:16
YanielI'm considering using twitter as a pseudo-RSS09:16
sjtoikthe_mgt: good qualifications. "Are you on FB?" "Yeah, all the time." "Bye."09:16
the_mgtsjtoik: exactly :D09:17
entilmy quality of life went up after I left facebook but not sure how high it actually settled, there are other ways of procrastination as well09:17
Sail0rYaniel: that's what I do and it's a good replacement for me ^^09:17
the_mgthell, me and my gf are still using icq. and it works. we might be the only two persons in germany still using it09:17
jaacoppithe_mgt: marry that girl09:18
Sail0rlol09:18
entilhave an icq-themed wedding09:18
chem|stthe_mgt: "might be" is "you are not"09:18
entildie lätzte benutzern or something09:18
temmi_foowasn't icq the non-nerdy social chat before msn massager stole everybody?09:19
chem|st'die letzten'09:19
chem|sttemmi_foo: ICQ bacame a dating platform as soon as it was bought by russians09:19
chem|stbecame09:19
entilchem|st: thanks :)09:19
temmi_foodunno about that09:19
temmi_foowas referring to when icq was new09:20
HelleI still find it meh that Google took their messenger out of XMPP federation (and now out of XMPP entirely)09:20
chem|stwhen ICQ was new there wasn't much else for $user09:20
Hellenow if people need to get hold of me they explicit need to make an account09:20
chem|stit was people who could afford an internetconnection and a computer09:20
temmi_fooirc was already there and free to use before net access became anything like even accessible to normal people09:21
entilmuh jolla sometimes informs me I have missed gtalk notifications, that's annoying cuz either it doesn't sound off or I'm never around to catch them09:21
chem|stI actually don't care about google services, just as much I care about other commercial services of that kind09:21
entiland I'm always offline on gtalk, so maybe the phone's client is somehow online or visible09:22
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HelleI don't have a google account myself09:22
entil#fwp I should uninstall the google stuff anyway09:22
entilI'm conflicted because I actually appreciate youtube's recommendations... of course they're not _perfect_ but they work09:22
temmi_fooyes09:23
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temmi_fooin a way09:23
chem|stand I hate "friends" uploading their addressbooks to every app they see, I got invites to like 5 msg services, get direct emails with correct DOB and realname for my birthday (p0rn vouchers) and so on09:23
Hellechem|st: ugh09:23
temmi_foothey know what i usually watch so when searching for something with keywords, i end up having the list of results halfway filled with eevblog, off road cars and opera09:23
entilit's also ridiculously easy to go all aluminium foil on this, but at least youtube can't connect me to other people and all they get that was is that I like magic the gathering, scifi and geek shit like that09:23
HelleI wish I could ban Facebook from using any of my data without taking them to court09:24
temmi_foothey're using my data too09:24
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entilif you're not on facebook, they shouldn't get too much of it09:24
chem|stHelle: got an SMS from hike.in "Helle $realname, your friend $nickname wants you to join so he can chat with you"09:24
temmi_fooapparently it has collected enough data of me through friends and relatives to know i exist and what kind of person i am09:25
temmi_fooi've never been on fb09:25
entilsome sender called flipmailer sent an invite from someone I barely know to a service I don't know what it is09:25
Hellechem|st: I have sent threatening letters to companies like that more then once09:25
entilhad to actually click open a link to find that it's some kind of social sharing bullshit09:25
Helleand if they are in the EU they tend to comply without hassle09:25
chem|sttemmi_foo: the could probably setup a 100% content profile once you create an account09:25
Helletemmi_foo: that is exactly my problem with Facebook09:25
Hellestupid friends posting pictures, etc09:26
Hellewell "friends"09:26
Hellemy actual friends know not to do that09:26
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entilinstructions for social sharing: 1) share a link you find interesting with some commentary 2) see how people either 2a) agree with you but need to add something to discussion even if it's not worth adding or 2b) stab your opinion to death 3) slash your wrists to get away from it all09:26
entilneed lunch now ->09:27
the_mgtjaacoppi: we are actually planning to get married, but we might not have an icq themed wedding. nobody would get that joke09:27
temmi_fooanyway enough of the olderthanfb-procrastination, off to see kid sister ->09:27
the_mgtmy icq numer might be 16yrs old or so, pretty much one of the earliest things i got on the internet09:27
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kjetilhothe_mgt: how many digits?09:28
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* kjetilho remembers when "gold numbers" on ICQ were auctioned off to lots of money on eBay09:28
coderusentil: well, on Jolla it's not risky09:29
coderusyou can always install official wa and request unban09:29
sjtoiki wish i could remember my icq logins.09:29
sjtoikbut i don't have the old hotmail box any more.09:30
sjtoikthis_is_not_a_valid_email@hotmail.com or something like that09:30
Nicd-to the rumors we had here too:09:31
Nicd-http://www.cnet.com/news/nokia-denies-reports-it-plans-to-return-to-smartphones/09:31
the_mgtkjetilho: 909:31
chem|st909:31
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kjetilhohah, not an early adopter ;)  me neither, but I have 8 digits :-p09:33
sjtoikit worked! i was able to login to icq. after all these years09:33
the_mgtwhoa, we might be ddossing the whole network now...09:33
IZhI use ICQ everyday. My UIN is 8-digit since 1997 or so. ;-)09:34
the_mgtin icq traffic, the date or at least year of registration is transmitted09:35
sjtoiki have 9 digits and 1 friend, who i have no idea about09:35
IZhMost of my friends preffer ICQ.09:35
coderus433559121 :)09:36
TMavicaHi09:36
SQUelchermine is 3528819, but not used for years :P09:36
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TMavicaI got a nice number of icq, i still remember it09:37
IZhThe skype is heavy and has awkward interface and has no support for offline messages. WhatsApp can't be run on PC without phone nearby.09:37
kimmolii had icq, but no idea about my number09:38
coderusyeah, i didn't used it for ages, but i still remember my ol password :)09:38
TMavicamy icq number is 3373775509:38
coderusIZh: use whatsapp-purple plugin fr pidgin and get one extra sim card for using on pc09:39
TMavicaI always use icq to chase girl. It is nice09:39
kjetilhoTMavica: now that's a number which could be sold for good money on eBay :)09:39
IZh1038177409:39
TMavicaI wont sold.09:40
sjtoikwhy would anybody pay money for icq numbers?09:40
TMavicaI wonder the most short number is how many digit09:40
Stskeepssjtoik: the world was very different back then.. :P09:41
coderuseh, web icq don't allow to add contacts?09:41
Stskeeps16465977 - 8 digit09:41
chem|stsjtoik: back in the days it was a status object for people09:41
Stskeeps:P09:41
leinir1467949009:41
TMavicaIs there any 4 5 6 digit?09:41
sjtoikaparently it still is, as you are all flashing your virtual penises09:41
IZhcoderus: but then I would need to make a call every several months so that SIM wouldn't be blocked as inactive.09:41
chem|stTMavica: 5 I don't know but there is 609:42
coderusIZh: call yourself from first sim :D09:42
coderusot send sms09:42
coderusor*09:42
coderusIZh: and it doesn't matter while you keeping your whatsapp password, it doesn't require your sim to be active, only for registration09:43
TMavicachem|st: never saw 5 digits 😃09:43
leinirsomeone i went to school with had a 6... but yeah, never seen a 5 in the wild09:44
kjetilhobtw, I registered on Whatsapp without a SIM in the phone doing the registering09:44
IZhcoderus: The cellular operator could block the SIM and sell the number to another person09:44
kjetilhoafter waiting 5 minutes for an SMS which would never arrive on that phone, I was allowed to register by typing the code in manually09:44
IZhcoderus: And I will get his/her contacts :-)09:44
coderusIZh: no you won't09:45
coderuscontacts are sent from phone, not from sim09:45
IZhAnyway, I have only 1 person actively using WhatsApp. And about 40 on ICQ. ;-)09:45
coderusthats cool oldschool crowd :)09:45
IZhcoderus: Yeah :-)09:46
IZhIt's my primary messenger. :-)09:48
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IZhStskeeps: Added you. :-)09:56
StskeepsIZh: ah.. i don't even use icq anymore09:56
Stskeeps:P09:56
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Stskeepsscary, i still recall my password09:57
IZhStskeeps: That's a pity. Deleted you. :-P09:57
IZhI remember all my passwords because I always turn off passwords remembering in apps and web-sites.09:58
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Yanielshould the bluetooth indicator show up in 1.1.4?10:10
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Yanielor is this another side effect of my update gone wrong10:20
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coderusYaniel: sure, works here10:23
coderusdo you have any indicators working on llockscreen?10:24
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Yanielcell and wlan10:25
Yanieland silent10:25
coderuscheck with mcetool and csd is your bluetooth working10:26
YanielI guess there was more than just the statefs packages I reinstalled that didn't get installed due to btrfs exploding once again during the update10:26
Yanielit is working10:26
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Yanielsettings shows it as enabled and my wireless headphone receiver works10:26
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coderusYaniel: try reinstalling qt5-qtconnectivity-qtbluetooth and sailfish-components-bluetooth-qt510:42
YanielI'm tempted to just factory reset and update from scratch10:48
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chem|stcoderus: would you mind if I set you up as spam-moderator on tmo?12:04
narchieso when is the next patch available12:09
narchiethe latest patch broke everytingh12:09
narchienow I have % percent of battery left12:09
narchieand no network12:09
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narchiei give it: 5/5 rating12:11
AciidI have been summoned12:11
Aciidnarchie: have you tried making a together ticket?12:11
narchieyes I was downvoted12:12
narchieapparently works on my machine :^)12:12
Aciidah so can't reproduce12:12
AciidI'd say carry on then, your a singe case12:12
Yanielnarchie: no space left on device because btrfs?12:13
narchieno works on my machine means -> buy a new phone12:13
Aciidnarchie: I have a iphone 4s you can have it12:13
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narchie4gb free space, how much is required12:13
Yanielthose 4GB are a lie12:14
Yanieltry this in terminal12:14
Yanielbtrfs fi show /12:14
Yanielerr, without the / actually12:14
Yanieland with devel-su12:14
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narchieBtrfs v3.1612:15
narchieso 3.16gb?12:15
TemeVnarchie: devel-su first12:16
narchieI am12:16
kjetilho3.16 is the version number :)12:16
narchieoh12:16
TemeVit prints version number when not root12:17
the_mgtwhy is btrfs telling something different from df -h?12:17
Yanielbecause df only sees files12:18
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Aciidthere was supposed to be a function to check diskspace requirements12:18
Aciidwhatever happened to it?12:18
Yanielthat btrfs version spams tons of metadata to the disk, which is not in files12:19
AciidI think we'd need reiserfs on jolla so we could make our spouses disappear12:20
the_mgtthe diskspace check kicks in too late, as stated in the release note12:21
narchiewell I like having only % percent battery left12:22
narchieexciting, unpredictable12:22
narchiejust like the crashes on launch12:22
narchie:)12:22
narchieand waiting for optima to add duct tape12:23
kjetilhonarchie: so your btrfs actually has lots of "hidden" usage?12:23
Aciidnarchie: have you tried adding lithium-powder between the battery and the case?12:24
AciidIn somecases it has helped with battery-usage12:24
narchienot sure what to dictate from 13.75GiB used 13.75GiB when I can add arbitrarily sized files at will12:24
Yanielon the same fs?12:25
TemeVnarchie: it means you have to run btrfs balance start / (or something like that) before updating12:25
TemeVand maybe remove some files12:25
kjetilhonarchie: that means btrfs has "claimed" all available space, which can cause problems if it needs to claim more space for meta-data12:25
kjetilhoTemeV: you mean btrfs defrag, I think?12:26
TemeVnope, balance12:26
Aciidis it balance like on a skateboard?12:26
kjetilhoright you are, my bad12:27
narchieso what next12:27
narchiecan't find the update12:27
narchieanynmore12:27
narchiethanks anyways maybe this was the beta release12:28
kjetilhonarchie: btrfs file balance start -dusage=012:28
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kjetilhothis will free empty data blocks and make them available for reclaim12:28
the_mgtlike balancing a btree12:29
the_mgt?12:29
kjetilhonarchie: and after that, you probably want to do "btrfs file balance start -dusage=X" where X is a little lower than your actual disk usage.  so if it is 50% full, use -dusage=40.12:30
kjetilhothis takes time and IO, so probably best to do it while plugged in a charger12:30
narchiesure. thanks kjetilho TemeV Yaniel12:31
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kjetilhonarchie: what it actually does, is to take chunks where less than X% is actually used, and try to move the data from them into other chunks so that the chunk can be freed.12:35
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coderuschem|st: just to delete spam threads? why not :D12:45
coderuschem|st: you mean it's only me reporting threads? :D12:45
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chem|stcoderus: no it is not only you but as you are active you might as well get a button to spam-mod instead of reporting it13:20
chem|stcoderus: you will get a further context item when clicking on names "one-stop-ban-&-clean"13:21
chem|stcoderus: one-touch..., tell me if you don't know how to get there13:23
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coderuschem|st: i still see reporting button/link13:54
chem|stcoderus: that won't be gone, if you click a username you should have one more item now in the bottom row13:56
chem|stnot in the user profile but in a post/thread13:57
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chem|stcoderus: http://imgur.com/bVwHqQl14:02
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coderuschem|st: aha works, thanks :)14:10
chem|st;)14:18
chem|stcoderus: if you find a spammer and the function denies you'd still need to use the report this link as an admin needs to look after that14:19
chem|stit is our first line of defence though14:19
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narchieperfect15:44
narchieso btrfs just bricked my phone15:44
narchiei love it15:44
narchieoh now it's on15:44
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Morpog_PCStskeeps, maybe you can comment there on the discussion? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1468571#post146857116:41
Stskeepsit's not hwcomposer on n516:41
Stskeepsd16:41
Stskeepsnot to mention i bet interactive governor isn't properly in use16:41
Morpog_PChe is talking about cpu cores not used properly in jolla phone and n516:42
Stskeepswell, it depends on perspective.16:42
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Stskeepsi'm not sure i'm going to enjoy getting into an argument with bluefoot :)16:42
Morpog_PCthats probably true16:42
Stskeepsin practice we try to use the cpu when we need to. interactive spikes the cpu when needed. on n5 we haven't done a lot of tuning we did on jolla1, or the 4.1.2 nature of the hw adaptation made it problematic.16:46
Stskeepsinteractive == spike cpu when touching screen16:46
Stskeepsfor tablet we're doing a lot of this kind of work, but it hasn't made it's way out until porter HADKs yet16:46
Morpog_PCsounds promising for the future16:46
Morpog_PCso changing cpu governor should help alot already16:47
Stskeepswell, cpu governor isn't only thing, it's using it intelligently16:47
Stskeepsit doesn't make sense to spike based on load, because it's not going to react quick enough16:47
Stskeepsbut if you do it in touch, it comes right in time and is sustained as long as interaction lasts16:48
Morpog_PCsame as project butter on android then16:48
Stskeepsnod16:48
Stskeepsmy plan for the evening is reading a good book and having a martini16:49
Stskeeps:P16:49
Morpog_PCsounds fine16:50
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Stskeepsalso, we are doing general optimization work for 2.0 too; tablet is a 2K display, Jolla1 was a qHD, you really need to care when you're up in those display sizes :)16:54
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Yanielindeed17:17
* Yaniel looks at the deferred renderer plans in the trash bin17:18
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phlixi_interesting to read about spikes and touch and stuff, but probably most interesting is the fact how naturally "jolla1" had been mentioned during the conversation :-)18:40
Stskeepsit's more fun than saying JP-130118:40
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* phlixi_ hides after placing the rumor18:41
phlixi_:-)18:41
phlixi_in fact i doubt i would have instantly understand what "the jp-1301" means....18:41
Stskeepsdepending on my audience, i call it the jolla (which i find silly), jolla1, sbj, etc18:41
Stskeepsphlixi_: jolla phone, 2013, first product18:42
Stskeeps?18:42
phlixi_sure, makes sense, but if you call it jolla1, i instantly know you mean the phone18:42
Stskeepsnod18:42
phlixi_...and leaves room for speculations ;-)18:42
temmi_foojp-1301 sounds enterprisey18:42
phlixi_i probably would have expected "jolla phone" in the sentence instead of "the jolla1"18:43
temmi_fooindeen18:45
temmi_fooasdlfkjö18:45
temmi_food18:45
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dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, novathor jolla is still updated internally ?18:46
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attahisn't novathor dead as a dodo and then some?18:47
Stskeepsno, i usually bring them up when bonfire season comes around and we want to put them on fire18:47
Stskeepsthe symbian was strong in those things18:47
dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, why did say this18:48
dr_gogeta86i think that phone ( despite all things )18:48
dr_gogeta86is a milestone ...18:49
Stskeepsdoesn't mean we have to like it :)18:49
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dr_gogeta86among touchpad n9 n900 st based jolla and qcom ?18:50
dr_gogeta86whos the worst ?18:50
dr_gogeta86*based18:50
Stskeepshuh?18:50
Stskeeps:P18:50
dr_gogeta86st based jolla ?18:51
* Stskeeps should go read that book he was thinking about18:51
Stskeeps:P18:51
dr_gogeta86good night so18:52
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phlixi_well, i have the same problem as in https://together.jolla.com/question/25965/android-apps-dont-trigger-any-notification-sounds/19:30
phlixi_no way to tell whether there is a new message or not, until i open the threema app19:31
phlixi_(while it is in background)19:31
coderusphlixi_: https://github.com/CODeRUS/android-notifications19:31
coderus:)19:31
phlixi_i was looking for a zedge apk download, and frankly i wanted to avoid that...19:32
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phlixi_...if you have somthing like this on github, i will first checker whether i can downoad that with warehouse :D19:32
coderushttps://openrepos.net/content/coderus/android-notifications19:33
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phlixi_already got it, thanks coderus :-)19:34
coderus:)19:34
coderushacky hacky, but works19:34
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phlixi_coderus: 1.) where do i have to put an mp3 (or maybe better better wav/flac?) file in order to be able to select it from the "Select from music fiels"?19:45
phlixi_and 2.) what is an appropriate donation for the android ringtones app?19:45
phlixi_notifications* :-)19:46
coderusphlixi_: it uses same system ringtones selection dialog, so you should put it to Music and probably wait until it cached and showed in Media app19:47
phlixi_ok19:47
coderusfor donation you of course sending as much as you can, i very appreciate it :)19:47
phlixi_yeah, but "as much as i can" is not appropriate... :-)19:48
coderus:)19:50
coderusalso if you can, i'd prefer direct paypal donation, as igg is holding funds until campaign ends :D19:51
phlixi_well, to late19:51
phlixi_thanks anyway :-))19:52
coderus:D19:54
juhajSo, what's the carddav support status? Does it work otherwise but not with owncloud? (just reading https://together.jolla.com/question/60493/new-carddavcaldav-support-got-to-it-working-with-owncloud/ and the last comment from Chris seems to imply it does not with OC)19:54
phlixi_i didnt try, but what i remember was, just format your urls correctly (puting account into it or the like) and it "just works" but i might mix up something there (carddav vs caldav for example...)19:56
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phlixi_but i am not in the "using self signed certificates business" involved (while i still commit, that this whole certificate business is a scam)20:02
YanielI use my self-signed CA ^^20:03
phlixi_:-)20:04
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juhajphlixi_: I am afraid you probably mix up cal and card there: it seems the cal ones need the account name and all that but for card it is a confusing web out there20:09
juhajAny other ways to back up the contacts from a jolla? Or just about everything for that matter?20:09
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phlixi_sorry then ( i remembered the problems only occur with self signed certificates)20:09
phlixi_google jolla export vcf20:11
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juhajNo, there are at least two different problems: one with certificates signed by an unknown CA (not necessarily self) and one where carddav sync just does not find the carddav data, ssl or no20:11
phlixi_there is a tool that exports all contacts to vcf. you should be able to import vcfs on your "other system"20:11
juhajtls20:11
phlixi_yeah, of course self signed certificate and "unknown CA" is prety much the same (technically)20:12
juhajOk, so vcf deals with contacts, good. How about sms, calendar, account settings etc? To be fair, I suppose just the sms should be enough as calendar syncs to google and the rest of the data is either rsyncable or "click here if you've forgotten your password" (for accounts)20:13
Yanielsms is a sqlite database iirc20:13
juhajphlixi_: There are quite a few "proper" CAs whose root certs are not included in various distros/packages20:13
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phlixi_juhaj: yes, thats clear. but in the end if you self sign, then you are also "just a CAS that is not implemented by default". the only difference is, that the "other proper ca" is probably available in default on other systems. technically it is the same, it is not signed by a "valid" ca. where valid means it is installed20:16
juhajsync-ui/syncevolution would be cool if it worked, but don't seem to be able to even start the sync. Does jolla do syncml even?20:16
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juhajphlixi_: Indeed20:16
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phlixi_juhaj: SMS https://together.jolla.com/question/54249/how-to-saving-sms-text-conversations/20:18
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juhajphlixi_: Cool. Thanks. In fact I suppose I could dump all the contacts to google, but google just freaks me out20:21
phlixi_thats why i am using jolla. i do not need a creepy google on my phone (nor apple) in all other things they are superior...20:22
juhaj(I find it really disturbing when maps.google.co.uk shows me my hotel bookings without my ever explicitly telling about them to google – the confirmation email is in gmail, so it all makes sense of course, but I find that disturbing)20:22
juhajIndeed20:22
toerbphlixi_: nope not all other things20:23
toerbthe sailfish ui is superior20:23
phlixi_toerb: i will not argue on that. maybe there is a special thing where they dont, but in general, both android and ios are far superior compared to sailfish20:23
juhajMy XP with android is full of shit. The UI is just frozen most of the time. Wake it up from sleep -> snappy to home screen. Start a program -> freeze for 5 min. Always. Not much difference between different programs, they all do the same20:24
toerbphlixi_: as i said. for me the ui is one thing which is better on sailfish than on android or ios20:24
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phlixi_juhaj: i have not the intent to praise the all mighty android or such thing, but iam pretty sure, that there was something broken. i have to deal with android and ios devices for work on a regular basis, and never expirienced such stuff (yes, of course, something crashed sometimes, but its not that this never happens on jolla)20:27
phlixi_both are far more mature20:28
phlixi_butin the end, i have hope, that jolla gets better ;-)20:28
phlixi_i case of superior UI, i think N9 had the best UI :)20:29
juhajN9 has a good UI, I still use N920:29
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phlixi_i use it as a clock on the bedside table20:29
juhaj=)20:30
juhajSoon I will need to relegate it to that role, too: it's battery is starting to be useless20:30
phlixi_want to buy a n9?20:31
juhajI don't need three ;)20:31
phlixi_i have a blue 16gb and a black 64gb20:31
juhajBut tell me what could be wrong with said android then?20:31
phlixi_i have no idea20:32
phlixi_but starting an app freezes the phone, is not normal20:32
juhajI even installed some system monitors in it, to see if the cpu or memory use were the issue: no20:32
phlixi_after trying stuff found on google, i would probably whipe it20:33
juhajIt's not just starting an app, it's basically anything which goes from one app to another (I'm counting home screen as an app here) and quite often even inside an app, too20:33
juhajIf one needs to wipe a device because of a software problem, the software is shit. That's my definition of shit. Likewise, if I need to reboot a computer for program A to function after upgrading/restarting program B, that's also shit. Restarting A should be enough.20:35
juhajBut my statistics on android are not that good, just that one device20:35
juhajDoes not encourage me to try another one, though. I'd be happy to test it on some other devices, though, but it is not very user-install-friendly, is it?20:36
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phlixi_well, if you somehow f*cked up the system, its maybe an easy thing to whipe it. while you would need to be some kind of a pro to track down the real problem, that you cold solve it without whiping it20:37
phlixi_i can just tell you that this is normal for android to behave like that20:37
phlixi_...that it is NOT normal... :-)20:37
juhajWell, it's done that very the very beginning, so certainly was not something I did20:37
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chem|stsome sailor p0rn - credit card captains! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxg30c6z00E20:59
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ryukafalzI just got myself an N900, loving the UI so far and I wish Sailfish would take some things from it22:41
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