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entilcoderus: well, I implemented another api method yesterday for textsecure and every once in a while I have some crisis of faith wrt the effort if whatsapp really is secure to the point of metadata06:25
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coderusentil: what are you talking about?08:51
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pdanekHello folks,13:31
pdanekI need to start using some pay-as-you-go VOIP to phone call service.13:31
pdanekLike Skype or Viber have, call out.13:32
pdanekWhich one would you recommend? Viber has quite high prices, Skype is cheap, but Skype android app is awfully unstable on Jolla.13:32
pdanekAny other one? Possibly with native app for Jolla?13:33
Temeright off the bat i can say there is no native app13:35
Temeat least one that is a chat service in addition - there might be some VOIP only thing that uses just part of the major APIs or something, unlikely though13:36
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Temesince if such a native app existed, it would be super popular like MitäKuuluu was13:37
Temefor calls only... maybe someone has hacked something together?13:37
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chem|stpdanek: SOON™ has SIP13:39
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entilcoderus: that I'm not sure if textsecure is worth it.. I mean, it might not be, if the only thing whatsapp leaks is metadata and everyone's happy using it13:48
entilcoderus: except maybe as a programming exercise13:48
entil(of course whatsapp being a dick about 3rd party clients helps, but no one cares about it except some jolla owners)13:50
temmi_fooso why is it that everybody is using whatsthat then?13:51
entilI dunno why it was originally adopted and only some friends of mine use it because of axolotl, so beats me13:51
temmi_fooi think it's because people thought "oooo i'm not giving that creep my email address but i can give out this legacy number string nobody uses anymore"13:53
temmi_fooor something13:53
politie😂13:53
entilmy point is that apparently ows's involvement wasn't a one-off deal but there is still ongoing effort into making whatsapp safer13:54
Nicd-politie: I got emoji support working :)13:54
Nicd-or maybe I should say 😎13:54
politieah very nice 👍13:54
politiegot an emoji script?13:54
entilso if whatsapp actually becomes real safe and secure and it's widely used, how should the open-source/eff crowd explain switching over to textsecure? "but facebook can still use your metadata"?13:55
Nicd-politie: no, but OS X has emoji input13:55
wysiwtfthe approach on making wa safer is halfhearted at best13:56
politieNicd-, oh i see thats nice, like a popup window?13:56
wysiwtfafaik it only works between android clients and only on android 4.1.x+13:56
entilwysiwtf: I'd be willing to believe moxie on this; they have a metric shit-ton of users13:56
entilif they're still in works to port it onwards, there is effort13:57
wysiwtfentil: also it doesant even show if your message was encrypted or not13:57
wysiwtfalso no encryption in the webinterface, which would be the logical place to start13:57
entilyeah, I'm not converting into a fan of whatsapp, them blocking unofficial clients is enough to put me off, but that e2e encryption makes it harder to advocate against13:57
wysiwtfnor on ios, but that can be because of apple foo13:57
entildoes apple forbid e2e encryption?13:58
wysiwtfi wouldnt be surprised :p13:58
entilthe metadata thing can be bad enough, though13:58
Yanielpolitie: the IME at least suggests emoji where appropriate13:58
Yaniel(and sometimes where not)13:58
entiland I don't know how any of the encryption works wrt ios, like how the android client decides that the recipient is ios and doesn't encrypt, or encrypts for the server's key, or whatever it does13:59
Nicd-politie: yeah, ctrl-cmd-space and a little window pops up where you can select emoji and other special characters13:59
entilbut now I got to go &13:59
Yanieloh, nice to know Nicd-13:59
Nicd-sadly it doesn't work in sublime text. but it does work in iTerm214:00
politieNicd-, thats convenient, i type :joy: than press tab nad it appears14:00
temmi_foo👌14:00
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temmi_fooi'm not able to see what i just typed though14:00
politiepico bello14:01
YanielNicd-: so what did you have to build yourself to get it working?14:02
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Nicd-also installed emoji support to my jolla14:02
Nicd-because people were sending me boxes with xs in them :)14:02
Yanielhehe14:02
temmi_fooNicd-: don't peek14:02
Yanieljust needs a font I suppose?14:02
Nicd-Yaniel: I'll write the instructions to my blog soon, but you need to build libwcwidth.so and then LD_PRELOAD it (for weechat)14:02
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Nicd-temmi_foo: sensitive?14:03
temmi_foo:)14:03
temmi_fooi'm using iterm2 and a monospace font i cannot remember the name of14:03
temmi_fooapparently no emoji wtf8 support in this14:03
Nicd-temmi_foo: what client?14:04
temmi_fooyou just peeked! :)14:04
temmi_fooweechat14:04
Nicd-Yaniel: dunno what jolla needs but I just installed the emoji keyboard from openrepos14:04
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Nicd-temmi_foo: oh, I didn't stick around since it was taking so long :D14:04
Nicd-well, read the LD_PRELOAD thing14:04
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Nicd-also the font symbola is useful if your OS is lacking in font support14:05
Nicd-had to get that for my ubuntu system14:05
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temmi_foois it monospace?14:06
Nicd-I don't think so. but usually terminals can resize it to monospace14:06
YanielNicd-: why LD_PRELOAD? does it make stuff explode in my face if it is in LD_LIBRARY_PATH?14:06
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Nicd-Yaniel: don't ask me. I don't deal with this stuff, I just followed the instructions I got :P14:07
Nicd-you probably know better14:07
Nicd-I'll see if I have time to write up the instructions today14:08
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pdanekchem|st: SOON™?14:12
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pdanekHave anyone tried Comtube? Seems to be decent Russian service.14:15
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pdanekhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=comtube.ipphone.sipua14:15
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chem|stpdanek: SOON™ is Jolla is working on it so it will be available SOON™14:29
pdanekgood!14:29
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chem|stI am one of the peops who cannot wait for it as I am using SIP as my landline14:30
fluxSOON™ I will be able to use Jolla as my intercom?!14:31
temmi_foohttps://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2015-345914:32
temmi_foolets not do this kind of security, okay?14:32
negI'm sure this gets asked alot, but is there source I can follow the status of 1.1.4 ?14:32
temmi_foohttp://www.hospira.com/en/products_and_services/infusion_pumps/Lifecare/   <-- it is a medication pump you can break root via telnet14:33
temmi_foobe very afraid of the world jumping on iot train14:34
xfade__neg: https://together.jolla.com/question/89804/release-notes-114-aijanpaivanjarvi/14:35
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negxfade__: thanks14:39
Yanielalso here on IRC14:42
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narchieso is the new patch ever coming15:27
narchieI still c an't see any battery indicator15:27
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Tegu...16:32
TeguI guess it froze16:32
Tegutrying to update and the progress bar has not gone anywhere in 5-10 minutes16:32
Tegugg16:32
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Teguat least I did connected it to the charger beforehand16:38
r0kk3rzTegu: i think it does a BTRFS balance during the upgrade, so it may take some time16:39
Teguah16:39
Tegugood to know16:39
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r0kk3rzexactly when it does that in the process im not sure16:39
r0kk3rzTegu: also in the release notes "In such cases, the OS update appears to be stalled, however it is just waiting for the installations to complete before attempting to upgrade the OS. Just wait patiently, the worst thing to do here is to reboot the device!"16:46
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r0kk3rztalking about many people upgrading at once and overloading the servers16:46
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coderusentil: sorry, i still can't understand what you want to tell for me :)16:49
Tegur0kk3rz: yea, wasn't going to reboot that. and I think I've read that earlier as well although I did not read it now16:50
Tegur0kk3rz: I downloaded it already, how does the servers affect anything now?16:51
r0kk3rzno idea16:51
r0kk3rzjust noticed that in the release notes16:51
r0kk3rzdoes seem an odd thing to have your phone in a brickable situation relying on network connections16:52
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Teguah yea.. now I guess I understood, so it tries to update other stuff. so yea, relying on network wouldn't be really good at that point16:53
r0kk3rzsounds like it might have been unavoidable thing for this update16:55
r0kk3rzotherwise we would have seen it in previous updates16:55
TeguI'll just wait. ~half an hour and counting16:55
pdanekIs anyone here mainframe guy? z/OS systems programmer?16:57
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Teguan hour17:17
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entilcoderus: nothing at you :D I was just generally musing about the situation17:24
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Nicd-Yaniel, temmi_foo: https://blog.nytsoi.net/#!/2015/05/04/emoji-support-for-weechat17:32
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temmi_fooi'm constantly reading Tegu as Tengu17:33
Yanielyou're not the only one17:36
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Teguyou two aren't the only ones either :) been hearing that for years17:39
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temmi_fooso do you have a proper mask then?17:41
temmi_fooone of the most annoying encounters in hack is a tengu17:42
temmi_foothey're damn fast to attack and you never score a hit17:43
Teguin what dungeon level is it? I probably have never got that far17:43
temmi_foothey're pretty rare but can be seen just about anywhere17:44
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Lucky_lukewe lost fb chat guys ?18:07
r0kk3rzLucky_luke: yes18:09
Lucky_lukei cant install grid 3x3 grid18:09
Lucky_lukenow18:09
Lucky_lukewe must wait any update;18:10
coderusLucky_luke: no, facebook crap on users and developers18:10
scottcLucky_luke: fb chat works fine for me, i had to re-add it as a generic XMPP accout though18:10
scottcexcept now it spams 100 notifications every day saying "you logged in from a new device" :/18:11
Lucky_lukeso i delete and install again18:11
Stskeepsscottc: O_o18:11
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Lucky_lukeany help for 3x3 grid ?18:12
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scottcStskeeps: but i've got facebook chat so I've got that going for me, which is nice :D18:13
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Lucky_lukefor fv chat we wait an update?18:13
Tegunearly two hours. maybe it will eventually show some visible progress!18:14
Lucky_lukeok18:14
TeguLucky_luke: oh sry18:15
TeguLucky_luke: didn't respond to your message18:15
Teguwas talking about my update progress18:15
Lucky_lukeany help for patch 3x3 grid ?18:15
Lucky_lukefailed to install18:15
Lucky_lukewith last update18:15
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coderushave only 3x4 grid.18:53
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kimmolii hate this19:21
Teguthree hours. the progress bar hasn't gone anywhere yet19:22
Nicd-what progress bar? what do we hate?19:23
* kimmoli hates audio resourcing... (lib)(audio)resource(-qt)(5) nothing found, nothing builds out of the git, grrr19:23
TeguI started installing the sailfish update around three hours ago and the progress bar hasn't moved yet19:23
kimmoligit reset --hard has been my friend19:23
Teguand I don't dare to reboot19:24
Nicd-oh 1.1.4 is officially released? or still early access?19:24
Teguit was released today, yes19:25
entilit's out, the ex just installed it, and I upgraded from the early access version19:25
Nicd-I don't get any upgrade from early access19:25
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entilmaybe my early access was earlier than your early access19:26
fennekkieven earlier access19:26
fennekkithree different early access tiers: early access, earlier access, earliest access19:27
kimmolilate night access even19:27
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entilsaturday night access19:27
Yanielwhat could possibly go wrong19:28
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Accenice to have access at 3 am19:31
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r0kk3rzzero qa everythings broken access20:16
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r0kk3rzwhich would be awesome if we could be more involved in the development process20:17
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Teguhour 5: still no progress on the update21:40
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