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TrezkerProblem: I just updated my phone and all icons except for android apps disappeared.09:20
TrezkerI can still tap them and get into the apps, I just can't see the icons09:21
r0kk3rznice09:22
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Morpog_PChuh? http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00STITPTW/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2RH4MDJTT39LG&coliid=I3JB6QD8MW2LKU&psc=111:20
coderusMorpog_PC: okay, so?11:22
Morpog_PCI winder if it really works with the Jolla tablet11:22
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Morpog_PCwonder11:22
coderusjust bluetooth keyboard. i think it should work with jolla tablet.11:23
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tadzikhmm, my Jolla stopped updating the Saved Networks list in the WLAN settings11:26
tadzikhave you encountered such issue?11:26
coderustadzik: what you mean "stopped updating"11:28
tadzikcoderus: it doesn't show wifis that are indeed remembered11:28
tadzikthe phone even autoconnects to them, but they aren't on the lits11:28
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tadzikhm, now the settings app crashed on startup11:28
tadziksounds like reboot time11:29
tadzikalright, fixed itself :)11:34
coderus:)11:34
tadziktalking about the issue helps, apparently11:35
tadzikjust like with programming :)11:35
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Venemoheya12:04
Venemohow do I get tracker to index the contents of my sd card?12:04
tadzikif it didn't do it automagically you can poke it through Sailfish Utilities in the Settings12:05
tadzikthat usually works12:05
tadzikyou can then watch it in Lighthouse to see if it's still running :P12:05
Venemohm, nothing12:06
Venemothe utilities thing doesn't do anything eiter12:06
tadzikit needs quite a lot of time12:06
tadzikeven though it says it's done, it really, really isn't :)12:06
stephgVenemo: also tracker-control -s -r (irrc)12:09
Venemotadzik: it didn't even start12:09
tadzikhmm, yeah, try stephg's line12:10
Venemoah yeah12:10
Venemosomething's happening now12:11
Venemothank you stephg12:11
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tadzikhm, anyone tried some android adblocking things on jolla?12:16
tadzikI just got adaway from f-droid, but it says it can't work since it requires rooted android12:16
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stephgtadzik: does it need rooted android or root in the android: i.e have you tried installing supersu or something?12:24
stephgalso wonder what it wants to do that requires root and whether you can do it as, you know, real root :)12:24
tadzikstephg: root in android, I guess; it says it needs to write to /system12:25
tadzikstephg: it basically just adds to /etc/hosts, so you can do that manually no problem :)12:25
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coderushttps://openrepos.net/content/coderus/aliendalvik-superuser12:40
coderusdidn't tested it on latest sailfish btw.12:40
tadzikcoderus: looks awesome, thanks12:43
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tadzikhmm, I don't see a way to add an app to the allowed list12:46
tadzikah, nvm :)12:47
tadzikargh, can we have an app that will allow us to send notifications from certain apps straight to /dev/null?12:48
tadzikthat'd be lovely12:50
tadzikandroid apps being of course the annoying ones12:50
tadzikcoderus: any chance your android-notifications could be extended to do that?12:52
coderustadzik: isn't it already? it have blacklist12:52
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tadzikoh, cool :) I didn't deduce that from the description12:53
tadzikcoderus++ delivers, as always12:53
tadzikwhere's that donation button of yours12:53
coderusyeah i didn't changed description12:53
coderustadzik: in every applicaiton description12:54
tadzikyep, found it :) Thanks12:55
tadzikI can now have an empty whitelist, perfect12:55
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korsakov Adam.13:08
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rednanHi, my jolla doesn't charge, it seems to be too empty. It just seems to wait to get enough juice, then power up and power off because it doesn't have that much battery left14:12
rednanWhat do I do?14:13
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TemeVleave it to charger for a while and don't try to power it up14:37
TemeVafaik there is some "emergency charging circuit" that charges the battery very slowyly14:37
rednanIt's been charging and cycling for an hour now14:38
rednanI kinda need it to receive online banking codes so I can pay people14:39
TemeVtry to remove the battery or something to prevent it from trying to power up too early (no clue if it works but worth a try)14:39
kjetilhoyou are using a dumb charger, right?14:40
kjetilhoTemeV: haha14:40
TemeV*remove and put back14:40
rednanI think it's even the charger that came with the device14:40
kjetilhobut it should be possible to use it without a battery, I think14:40
rednanno it isn't14:41
kjetilho:/14:41
rednanVery short led flash and bzzt14:41
Nicd-might need some serious fiddling14:41
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Nicd-N900 had hot swap with some hacking14:41
Nicd-but think it was only hot swap and not using without battery14:41
rednannow it shows the charging icon again14:42
rednanAnd it's back to led on, nothing on screen14:42
rednanYay, it's on agian14:42
rednanagain*14:42
tadzikon, or it's looping again?14:42
rednanI logged in14:42
rednanat zero %14:43
tadzikwow14:43
rednanAnd it shut itself down again14:43
rednanWTF14:43
TemeVlet it charge14:43
TemeVdon't try to power it14:43
Nicd-if it starts, then I think you should power it off manually14:43
rednanIt didn't charge14:43
rednanIt was charging till it thought it could start up and then shut itself down again14:43
TemeVgive it some time. If the battery is really empty it is charged really slowly to prevent damage14:44
rednanI needed it by the way, because my bloody ereader broke14:44
rednanTotally dead14:44
rednanThe screen just doesn't work anymore14:44
rednanYesterday it stopped refreshing the entire screen, skipping some parts14:45
rednanKeeping them on old content14:45
rednanAnd now the entire screen is dead14:45
rednanThe funny thing is: it's e-ink, so there's still something on there14:45
rednanEven though the screen is dead dead dead14:45
tadzikyeah, had that with a kindle14:49
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Ezkorednan: try starting your phone with the charging cable disconnected14:59
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Ezkoor like14:59
Ezkoi've noticed that the phone doesn't want to start if the cable is connected15:00
Ezkojust shows the charging icon15:00
tadzikyeah, it's super weird. N900 was similar15:00
TemeVI thought the same first, but it seems to start, but slowly15:00
TemeVAnd power key is not responsing properly15:01
TemeVBut if you press it only once the phone does boot15:01
fennekkihow you start up from the charging icon seems to be, press once to dismiss the icon, then long press to turn on15:04
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pdanekEzko: TemeV: yeah, it's super annoying, should be fixed asap, but it wasn't last 2 years15:21
pdanekbut perhaps not possible to fix because it's in firmware, not OS15:21
pdanekI'm just surprised how those things even appear in phone, every tester must discover them after single day of testing15:22
rednanit doesn't start15:22
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kimmoliit might be a feature, so not a bug and nothing to fix :p15:25
rednanA feature which renders you unable to pay back debts you have to friends...15:27
rednanGreat feature15:27
Nicd-don't think kimmoli was referring to your problem15:27
rednanAh ;)15:27
tiwakeno new MLP:FIM episode today :(15:28
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Bysmyyrany ideas, update failed, now it boots, some things are updated, some things (battery meter...) are missing and terminal update do not continue after refreshing0%17:09
coderusBysmyyr: did you had phonehook application installed?17:10
Bysmyyrnope, I removed that before17:11
coderuswell, contact care then17:11
Bysmyyroh, not removed :P I planned and removed it from two other but this one missed<:(17:12
coderuscool :)17:12
coderuswanna save something from phone before factory reset?17:13
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Bysmyyrthats only option?17:13
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coderusthe only easy one17:14
coderusif you can ssh via wifi to phone you have chance17:15
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Bysmyyrit boots without any issue and ssh works well17:19
coderustry rpm -e --force phonehook17:23
BysmyyrI used rpm -e --noscripts phonehook, now version -dup17:23
coderuswhat is your ssu re17:23
BysmyyrDevice release is currently: 1.1.4.2917:24
coderusyeah, try version --dup, hope it helps17:24
Bysmyyrrefreshing 0% stays17:25
Bysmyyr--> sauna, then back. thx17:26
coderusso, you connected to internet? ping works?17:26
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YanielÄijänpäivänjärvi could probably win an award for the most broken update of the year17:32
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coderusYaniel: no. just some developers should win kick in ass for such applications.17:33
YanielI mean I don't remember seeing such a concentration of bricked to semi-bricked devices17:34
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arvuthi17:35
arvutwhat tool would you use for converting/extracting sound from mp4 files? they are found under Gallery and must have screen on to be played17:36
arvutpretty good audio though17:36
r0kk3rzyeah i want to know what this phonehook application does17:38
r0kk3rzbecause it seems to have put a big spanner in the works17:38
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coderusYaniel: ys, just because this broken phonehook was released before u1317:44
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coderusr0kk3rz: broken scriptlets, broken application dependencies. u13 have different version of libnemonotifications, phonehook removing, scriptlet failed, whole procedure is crashing.17:47
Bysmyyryep, ping works17:47
r0kk3rzoh right, so it all boils down to a dodgy remove script17:48
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rednan My jolla has been trying to charge for 3 hours now. No result whatsoever18:39
rednanStill flat18:39
Stskeepsusing the provided charger?18:41
rednanYes18:41
rednanCharger worked yesterday18:42
rednanMy backup phone was also dead, but that one is charging18:43
rednanIt's an ancient android phone though18:43
rednanAnd appearently it's programmed so it discharges while talking on the phone18:43
r0kk3rzdo you have a multimeter?18:44
rednannope18:44
rednanI study computer science, not electrical engineering18:44
rednanI haven't had the need for one yet18:45
stephgrednan: will the jolla charge on a computer?18:45
rednanExactly the same behaviour18:45
rednanNot starting18:45
r0kk3rzthat doesnt mean you dont have a multimeter :P18:45
rednansometimes showing the charging icon for a few seconds18:45
stephgdon't need to start it, just plyg it into a pc and leave it for several minutes18:45
rednanslow red flashing led rhythm18:45
rednanStephg, I did it for 15 minutes or so18:45
rednanOne anime episode18:45
stephgon a pc? I'd leave it longer....18:46
rednanOnce in a while it goes bzz,  shows the charging animation thing and then blue/white led state for a while18:46
rednanNow it enters it's alternative loop: trying to start18:46
rednanIt does that on it's own once in a while18:46
rednanRuns for a minute and then... No Juice, powering down. Thus it wasted all it's battery contents for this run.18:47
r0kk3rzthats not entirely true18:47
rednanIt has been repeating this pattern for 3 hours or so18:47
rednanOn multiple chargers18:47
r0kk3rzyou might try cleaning the battery contacts18:47
r0kk3rzive never seen it reach this kind of condition before, but i guess theres no reason it cant18:48
rednanI think the battery chip is wonky18:48
rednanThinking it's fuller than it is or something like that18:48
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rednanGiving invalid state information to the device18:49
rednanAlso, why on earth doesn't it want to run directly on microusb-power18:49
r0kk3rzunfortunately sourcing replacement batteries has proven difficult18:51
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rednanI'm gonna send a letter, requesting a replacement battery, because mine is broken after a year18:51
rednanI'm going to claim warranty on the battery18:51
r0kk3rzwell, contact care through zendesk18:51
rednanI would have bought a new one, but if you don't give me that option, I'll become an asshole18:52
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attahso flattr is coming to harbour... why can't we pledge beer to maintainers on tjc?18:57
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r0kk3rzit is?19:19
attahr0kk3rz: https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/19:20
Stskeepsattah: hmm :)19:24
attahStskeeps: do you get mikkeller in .pl?19:25
Stskeepswe do19:27
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Stskeepsi .. got a rather nasty hangover thanks to tadzik and that recently19:27
Stskeeps:P19:27
attahhehe :)19:27
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Bysmyyrcoderus: thx  for help, got it fixed19:28
r0kk3rzthe name sounds familiar19:30
r0kk3rzim sure ive had it before19:30
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coderusBysmyyr: share your flow in tjc or somwhere19:32
coderusso jolla care will have less work19:32
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attahcoderus: why aren't you working for jolla already?19:36
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Bysmyyrok, it was just long wait it that refresh19:36
Bysmyyrsomething 25min19:37
r0kk3rzattah: why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?19:37
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attahi have no good answer for that, lol19:38
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Stskeepscoderus is a cow..?19:41
r0kk3rzwell, moose19:44
r0kk3rzbut the same thing applies19:44
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kimmolir0kk3rz: what you get free from a moose? thick milk?19:57
r0kk3rzidk, some proverb about only being able to skin it once19:58
coderusattah: because i'm not living in Finland, i think, probably, i don't know really.19:58
attahwell.. Stskeeps lives in .pl19:59
coderus*not living in Europe, but i don't know really, because nobody says not "yes" and not "no" and no any other answer.20:00
attahthat's a shame.. it's pretty obvious you have the skills20:01
attahrisking to be laid off myself i'm contemplating to apply20:01
r0kk3rzlaid off for applying for another position? thats pretty harsh20:04
attahr0kk3rz: i think you misunderstood.. since i'm in the "danger zone" i might just as well apply for a position at jolla20:05
r0kk3rzsometimes you get surprises20:05
attahi went from being a consultant to working at the product company.. and basically 1 month after they announce they are laying off 10%20:05
r0kk3rzive managed to get interviews out of 'long shot' job applications20:06
r0kk3rzbut yes, worst case is they don't want you20:07
attahi wouldn't hire myself.. but then again.. i wouldn't hire pretty much anyone20:08
r0kk3rzhaha20:08
r0kk3rzgood thing you arent an employer then20:09
attahperhaps.. but most places have too much people20:09
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r0kk3rzi am certain jolla would like more people if they could afford it20:11
r0kk3rzbut in general, you're right20:11
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LangeOortjeshey, does anyone know how large the Jolla 1.1.4.29 update is? I accidentally downloaded it via mobile data and I am a bit scared of out-of-bundle costs. Just want to know what I might be up for22:29
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Yanielcheck data counters?22:31
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LangeOortjesYaniel, are they a bit reliable these days. Says around 700 MB up/down total, and they have been counting since mid-april which means I should be safe :) I was just wondering if the size of the update is documented somewhere22:33
Yanielnot AFAIK22:34
Yanielbut updates have been in the 200-500MB range so far22:34
LangeOortjesalright22:34
LangeOortjesI can live with those costs :)22:34
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LangeOortjesalright, I'd better go to bed now. According to my operator's website, they send warning text messages in real time as you exceed your bundle and I haven't received it. Must be less than 500 MB (My data-bundle) in that case22:41
LangeOortjesthis is why I hate bundles, a slight cock-up could cost you dearly22:42
Yanielthis is why I like the bundles my operator offers22:43
Yanielthey just get throttled to hilarity when exceeded22:43
LangeOortjesYaniel, right now I'd prefer that over the 0.15 eurocents per excess MB22:44
LangeOortjesuhm 15 eurocents22:44
LangeOortjesif only it where 0.15 ;)22:44
Yanieland you can extend your bundle temporarily if needed22:44
LangeOortjesthat22:44
Yanielfor something like 2€ per GB or whatever it was22:44
LangeOortjesYaniel, doesn't sound like you're using a Dutch operator to me22:45
Yanielindeed22:45
LangeOortjesalright, I need to get some sleep. I am tired (which is why I made this mistake) after a day of traveling home from our vacation22:46
LangeOortjesthanks :)22:46
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zuttono limits o722:46
zuttoexcept the rumoured limit after 1tb of data moved22:47
Yanielmine is "already" at 50GB22:47
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jcbjoeanyone know how much it wil cost to ship a jolla from US to finland ?22:59
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Shinryuudepends what mail option you're going to use etc. I would bet something like $10-$2023:02
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tadzikStskeeps: hah, I now learned a new word: mikkeller :)23:16
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