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kimmolijcbjoe: don't you have some flat-rate boxes? or check calculator on some courier site?05:15
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Nicd-freaking OOM08:31
Nicd-it has never been this bad for me08:32
Nicd-opened i.reddit.com with the stock browser, from there opened a youtube page and started watching the video08:32
Nicd-after 5 minutes: *boom* all apps except phone app are dead08:32
Nicd-also I seem to have lost all vibration feedback from the lock screen08:32
Nicd-except the last enter when I unlock08:33
Yanielwtf08:33
Nicd-yeah, my browser keeps killing all apps with OOM whenever I browse08:33
Nicd-starts with zombifying tabs and then after a while it dies, sometimes taking other apps with it08:33
Nicd-I'm not even viewing javascript-heavy or bloated sites. mainly just i.reddit.com and imgur images08:34
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TemeVOom killer was once killing my browser all the time while I was using it08:49
TemeVI killed alien dalvik and then it worked again08:49
TemeVWas there an app for adjusting the oom killer parameters?08:50
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r0kk3rzoom killer is killing lots of things for me atm09:20
r0kk3rzi cant seem to have more than 2 apps open09:20
r0kk3rzor sometimes it kills the browser whilst im using it09:20
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Nicd-happens to me too09:23
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r0kk3rzseems to have gotten worse in the latest upgrade09:23
r0kk3rzi wonder if its just gecko being a massive memory hog, or whether they tweaked the oomkiller09:24
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trigpointIs there a way to synch the phonebook and calendar with Evolution?09:57
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minimectrigpoint: https://openrepos.net/content/ovekaaven/syncevolution10:03
minimectrigpoint: http://wied.it/blog/caldav-and-carddav-sync-with-jolla-phone-syncevolution-and-zimbra-zcs-owncloud-and-ssl.html10:03
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rednanstill no luck getting my battery back online. It has been trying to charge for 15 hours now11:03
Sail0rdid you clean the contacts?11:04
tbrcomputer usb port or charger?11:06
r0kk3rzi think its dead jim11:07
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tadzikit discharged so badly it doesn't even :(11:16
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tbrhmm?11:20
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Stskeepstake out battery, hold down volume down button, put it into usb of a computer; does it respond?11:28
Stskeepsshould go into fastboot mode11:28
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rednanit replies to fastboot mode11:32
rednanIt seems the battery is dead11:32
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tbrif you have access to a lab power supply you could trickle charge it very carefully11:33
rednanI don't ...11:34
r0kk3rzreal shame you cant buy replacement batteries11:34
Sail0rcontact care11:35
Sail0rmaybe they help you out11:35
rednanI already did yesterday. Seems they're closed in the weekends11:36
tbrand probably no volt-meter either?11:37
rednanNope11:37
rednanI could try to test it somewhere tomorrow11:37
rednanHowever, I'm now unreachable11:37
tbrI'd again try to clean the battery contacts, insert it into the phone and try charging it11:44
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rednanThe contacts seem clean11:46
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TemeVcan you measure the voltage of the battery?11:56
r0kk3rzrednan: dont let that fool you11:56
r0kk3rzclean them anyway11:56
rednanWhat with?11:56
svuorelaso. I'm at a talk about sailfish. any funny questions to ask ?11:57
tadziksvuorela: where do you sit? :)11:57
Stskeepssvuorela: say hi to sletta11:58
Stskeeps:P11:58
tadzik(oh, he's standing :P)11:59
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svuorelaStskeeps: :)12:02
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Sfiet_KonstantinNight people \o/12:22
Sfiet_KonstantinFinally connected on freenode from China12:23
Stskeepswoo12:23
Stskeepswhere in china are you visiting?12:23
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: Beijing, visiting family12:24
Sfiet_KonstantinWent to Shanghai12:24
Sfiet_Konstantintoo12:24
Stskeepsah12:24
Stskeepsnever been to beijing yet12:24
Stskeepsor shanghai.. one day12:24
Stskeeps:P12:24
Sfiet_Konstantin:P12:24
Sfiet_KonstantinBoth city are very nice12:24
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rednanDoes my jolla charge while in fastboot?12:26
Stskeepsit doesn't necessarily12:27
Stskeepsit would in recovery mode12:27
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trigpointminimec: Great thanks12:41
Sfiet_Konstantinas a bonus: accessing jolla.com is slow or basically impossible because of jolla.com using font.googleapis.com12:54
Sfiet_Konstantinor it seems12:54
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tadzikConfirmed: SFOS 2.0 can handle more than 9 apps on the homescreen :)12:57
Yanielsource?12:57
tadzikand that's probably why you swipe down to get apps12:57
tadzikYaniel: I just tried on the MWC build :)12:57
Yanielah12:57
tadziks/swipe down/swipe from bottom/12:57
Stskeepsi'm sure we'll screw that up one way or the other :p12:58
Sfiet_Konstantin:)12:58
Yanielbtw is there going to be a newer wayland version in 2.0?12:59
Yanielas in one that has xdg_shell instead of wl_shell12:59
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tadzikalso: there *is* now a global gesture going straight to eventsview, opt-in13:02
tadzikso nothing to rant about anymore, boo!13:02
Stskeepstadzik: which one?13:04
Stskeepsout of morbid curiousity, any of you here who design games?13:05
Yanielyes13:06
Yaniel(that's why I'm asking about wayland too ^^)13:06
anonfriesewell i did a tetris-port once, does that count? ;)13:06
Stskeepshehe13:09
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm trying to do games13:11
Sfiet_Konstantinout of my scope sadly :(13:11
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tadzikStskeeps: the swipe-from-left13:31
tadzikStskeeps: and yes, I do games for a week now :)13:31
tadzik(as a job)13:32
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r0kk3rz Stskeeps interesting turn of phrase13:50
r0kk3rzbut i guess game developers are a bit of a masochistic bunch13:50
tadzikhow so?13:50
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tadzikI will never know :)13:53
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tadzikr0kk3rz: how so?13:54
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r0kk3rzmixture of things really, their target market (gamers) are a bit of a tough audience13:54
r0kk3rzand the projects have a history of getting very out of hand13:55
r0kk3rzhaving to deal with publishers13:55
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r0kk3rzmobile games might be a bit different, but in general it sounds like a pretty stressful way to make a living13:55
Yanielindeed13:56
tadzikwell, dealing with audience/publishers is not something developers themselves do, unless they are a one-man army doing everything13:56
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r0kk3rznot directly13:58
r0kk3rzbut they still get pushed for stupid deadlines by said publishers, or cop flack from gamers about something stupid13:59
r0kk3rzor get raided by swat teams because they dared to be female and develop games13:59
tadzikwell, I don't think it's much different for working with generic clients and generic users13:59
tadzikhaving worked for a browser company I've seen both :)14:00
r0kk3rzof course it exists elsewhere14:00
r0kk3rzive been pretty lucky (skillful) to avoid places like that14:00
tadzikI don't think that games are in any way special14:00
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tadzikfrom developers' perspective it's really the same shit as everywhere else14:01
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r0kk3rzpossibly, i think its maybe easier to get really nebulous requirements and scope creep in games development14:03
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tadzikmaybe14:03
tadzikgetting a bit on-topic (sorry :)), how's your music player doing r0kk3rz?14:04
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r0kk3rzi work in industrial control, we've been building the same piece of software for a good decade or so14:04
temmi_fooagain and again?14:05
tadzikis software ever finished?14:05
r0kk3rztrue, but with games, you need to get to a finished state, and then ship it14:05
r0kk3rztemmi_foo: basically.14:06
r0kk3rztechnology changes, things that were in favor 10 years ago arent in favor now14:07
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jcbjoekimmoli: i will look into that now14:29
jcbjoequestion i have jollas address but im looking for the postal code14:36
jcbjoeits written diffrent then we have in the states14:36
jcbjoe00380 Helsinki14:36
jcbjoeis that a zip code ?14:36
r0kk3rzlooks like14:37
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kimmoliyes14:38
temmi_fooif you want, you can write it like: FIN-0038014:39
temmi_fooone pet peeve of mine are annoying software that insist on knowing better than me how my address should be written14:40
temmi_foo... such as the earlier jolla here maps, which liked to put the house number before street name14:40
temmi_foothis is just not done14:40
r0kk3rzwell, unless you've travelled, its easy to assume that all address formats are the way yours is done14:41
r0kk3rzwhich is a very very poor assumption14:41
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jcbjoeso im sending my jolla to finland to get it replaced .. my concen is this line14:41
jcbjoe* If you send in your phone from outside of the supported (ship to) countries, please note that Jolla has no control over customs, nor are we able to provide documentation that might be required to ship the phone to Finland and back into your country. We suggest you send in your phone from a supported ship-to country.14:41
jcbjoe^14:41
jcbjoejolla wrote me that14:41
temmi_foor0kk3rz: thing is, the jolla company is finnish and they should know at least the finnish way of writing addresses14:42
r0kk3rzthey should, and they're using here maps which is also finnish company14:42
temmi_fooindeed14:43
kimmolicustoms is pita. sending to finland, value less than 20€ is not charged for additional VAT14:43
kimmoliyou can make customs paperwork that it will be replaced etc, but i don't know how it is done from US14:44
jcbjoeshould i just give up and buy another jolla14:44
jcbjoeit seems like a nightmare to ship it and get it back14:44
r0kk3rznot a guaranteed nightmare, just a potential one14:45
kimmolii think it would be easiest to send it some private person with some flat-rate box (with tracking) USPS takes ages though.14:46
kimmolifill a CN-22 form with total value (shipping + contents) 20€14:46
r0kk3rzsurely if customs says no, then its return to sender?14:47
kimmoliship without battery14:47
kimmolicustoms dont say no, they just want VAT payment14:48
r0kk3rzeven if its not a purchase?14:48
tadzikis it just me, or selecting the email sync schedule doesn't do anything?14:49
tadzikclicking on 'every 5 minutes' doesn't seem to do anything14:49
kimmoliand your busy schedule is active?14:50
r0kk3rztadzik: redo email account14:50
r0kk3rzhappened to me once14:50
tadzikr0kk3rz: I'll try, thanks14:50
tadzikkimmoli: none is14:50
Jupp3jcbjoe: And of course that 20e value should include postage14:55
Jupp3Of course if it's paid (by you) repairs, might want to check prices for second hand units for comparison...14:56
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kimmoliyeah.. example: order from digikey for >65€ (say 70€) to get free shipping. Finnish customs take VAT from 70+18€ as digikey says its shipping costs that much, even you don't pay it ...14:58
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MikaelaHas anyone else had issue where the Jolla is unable to access network at all, but you can access it with SSH? This only happens with WLAN and I have had this for longer time and I thought that the issue was that it only is able to connect to network at home WLAN, but it's not and the only thing I have done at home WLAN has been scping bus tickets19:28
StskeepsMikaela: what icon does the wifi connection have?19:28
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coderusMikaela: yes i had, by some reason it can't use router dns, setting own nameserver in resolv.conf solved it19:29
Mikaelanormal connected, full bars19:29
Mikaelacoderus: Thanks, I will try that19:30
* Mikaela had somehow been thinking that you cannot edit it even if she has chattr +i:ed it on all other devices19:31
MikaelaI assume it has the same limitation as other Linuxes that I know and only allows me to specify three19:31
coderusnormal linux, just devel-su/sudo o get root and edit it19:32
Obi-Lani cannot login into jolla shop19:33
Mikaelathanks, works on home network and I will see bus network tomorrow19:34
Obi-Lanafter accepting terms, it kicks me back to login screen19:34
Mikaelaactually also works on the guest network where I connected, so it was very likely that as I don't think it worked before19:35
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juhajI do realise this is not quite the right place to ask this, but as I know a lot of N9/N900 users changed to Jolla, I thought maybe it isn't too far off topic:19:47
juhajDoes anyone know if Nokia has shut its Store and accounts lately? I cannot seem to log on from the N9 anymore19:48
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juhajAh, google knows: Nokia Account will be discontinued on 24 April 2015. In its place, you can now create a Microsoft Account at http://login.live.com. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.19:49
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scottccrack in my jolla's screen... :(20:46
scottcanyone know if it's easy to replace?20:46
scottclcd is fine, touch still works, just the outer glass :(20:46
Timoscottc: Unfortunately, replacing the front glass means replacing the whole LCD assembly.20:46
scottcseriously?20:47
TimoYup.20:47
scottcwhat a fucking joke20:47
TimoYou have to send it to Jolla Care. As Ebay still doesn't have spare parts.20:47
scottc:/20:47
scottchow much will that set me back, do you know?20:47
TimoWell, I don't know excactly, but IIRC it's around 100 euros.20:48
scottcright20:48
TimoBuying a second hand phone is almost cheaper.20:49
svuorelaso, sounds like it is easier to replace the device20:49
TimoSo do that instead and use your current one for spare parts. :-)20:49
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scottcfuck that, there's no way I'm buying another device that would get a broken screen from a small fall20:49
scottcif I wanted that kind of build quality, I'd buy a 100 euro android phone :/20:50
scottcthanks for the info guys, sorry for my frustration20:50
svuorelaluckily my jolla doesn't know it is that fragile.20:50
Timosvuorela: Same for me.20:50
TimoScreen has been replaced for yellow band though.20:51
svuorelamine haven't been replaced, and have at least taken some drops from my bedside table20:51
scottcaye, mine has withstood a couple of minor drops before now20:52
scottcfor now i have bought a screen protector and will hope for the best :(20:52
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Timoscottc: I have a Vikuitti screen protector from eBay. It's pretty good.20:53
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scottcI just bought the first ebay result Timo20:54
scottcdon't remember the brand20:54
TimoOh well, it's all just a layer of plastic on top of your phone. :P20:54
scottcyep :P20:54
TimoThat scratches much too easy. Just like the phone itself.20:55
scottcluckily it was only €2.50 for 6 of them then...20:55
TimoThat's rather cheap.20:55
scottcaye20:55
TimoBought mine like 9 months ago. €7 for 3 of them.20:56
scottcdoes anyone know where I can find contact details for Jolla care? can't seem to find the right mail alias on the site, possibly just missing it20:56
Timocare@jolla.com20:56
scottcthanks Timo20:56
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raa700thx for reminding, have had protectors laying around for months, just applied21:05
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