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andybransonAnyone know what's going on with the facebook mess?08:10
Nicd-facebook closed their old API08:11
Nicd-which included XMPP08:12
anYcwhich mess in particular? ;)08:12
andybransonit was announced that the chat and contacts would disappear, and they've been removed in 1.1.408:13
ursis there any non-mess thing about facebook?08:13
andybransonbut none of the other functionality is working at all since 30.0408:13
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andybransonthe account config page still lists the image gallery, the calendar, and the feeds/notifications, but it's all stopped working then08:15
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merlin1991Now that you say it, yeah my feed stopped 10 days ago08:32
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chem|stNicd-: facebook didn't, the old stuff is still working10:46
chem|stNicd-: my sis did not upgrade to .4 yet and has everything working still10:47
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Nicd-chem|st: they said they would. jolla cannot keep it in the OS if facebook says they will kill it at a certain date10:49
Nicd-that it still works is facebook's problem, not jolla's10:49
chem|stNicd-: they want fb to help them support the new api and therefor they need to use the new api itfp10:50
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simorHi, anyone here to help me with Jolla Store? It works ok, but it doesn't show a single app by Jolla.10:55
simorI' m on 1.0.7.16 and do not wish to upgrade on this phone.10:55
Nicd-why don't you want to upgrade?10:57
stephg^^ good question10:58
simorI have another phone with later version, and Iwant to keep up with a possibility to compare to this v10:58
simorbut... The problem is actually the same with the other phone, currently running on 1.1.110:59
coderusare you sharing same jolla account between them?10:59
simorCurrently not11:00
simor1.0.7 has a unique account, not used on other devices11:00
simor1.1.1 has another account, used on three devices11:01
simorso the 1.1.1 has been used with a "shared account", but currently no other devices share that11:02
simorwht makes this issue pretty interesting is that Apps by Jolla are visible and installable IF they show up in "Activity" roll at Jolla Store. Search doesn't find them, however11:04
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coderusinside Jolla Store app, at the bottom you see no Jolla category or ot's empty?11:05
coderusor*11:05
simorempty11:05
coderustried to remove and add jolla account?11:05
simoryep, didn't help11:06
simorI tried that both with changing to another existing account, and with a brand new account11:06
coderusmaybe some problem with store cache. try to remove store-client package, then delete /home/nemo/.cache/store-client folder and installing store-client package again11:08
simorcommands pls11:09
coderuspkcon remove store-client11:10
coderusrm -rf /home/nemo/.cache/store-client11:10
coderuspkcon install store-client11:10
simoroutput: "Fatal error: This request will break your system!"11:10
simorafter removing command11:11
coderushm, stop, it have some weird dependencies11:11
coderusthen skip first command11:11
politiecoderus, quick question if you dont mind; if i update to whatsup beta 3 do i keep conversations?11:12
simorjust try to avoid getting me into a factory reset stage :) It might be difficult to get back to 1.0.7 after that. Passing first command now...11:12
coderuspolitie: i have no idea, really. ask cepi on tmo about this. i don't know how whatsup working11:12
politieoh sorry i thought you made it11:12
politiethanks11:13
coderuspolitie: no, my app is mitakuuluu11:13
coderusand it's not published yet11:13
politiealso for whatsapp?11:13
coderusyes11:13
politieallright nice11:14
simorcoderus: ok, cache file removed and installed store-client. Should I check in at store now to see if there's anything, or reboot, or...?11:14
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coderussimor: yes, start store and check if you see jolla apps11:14
simorprocess was ok, as I got a new notification of the next update, but... Jolla apps are still missing. Store message at Essential... is the same: "You will be able to see content here once it's available"11:16
coderussimor: and what about latest sailfishos device?11:17
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simorI'll repeat the same steps on that then...11:18
simor1.1.1 output after install: "Fatal error: Failed to obtain authentication."11:21
coderuswhat is output of ssu domain command?11:21
simor"sales" on both11:21
coderusthen you hva problem with account where "Fatal error: Failed to obtain authentication."11:23
coderusor problem with internet11:23
stephgor time...11:24
simorno problem with interenet, no help with updating credentials on 1.1.1, no help removing account+reboot+add same account on 1.1.1. Account shows as active11:27
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simorcoderus: can I list all accounts on the phone via SSH somehow?11:31
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stephgit's an sqlite database somewhere11:38
stephgI think11:39
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simorstephg: Thanks, not sure if it would be related at all, just a thought11:41
stephgyeah11:42
stephgwell it's there11:42
stephg(I think)11:43
simorcoderus: I just missed root on 1.1.1: Both phones, with separate accounts, installed the store-client just fine but the issue remains11:44
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simorIsolating the problem: Jolla Store main screen is showing Jolla apps (when they appear by luck), but categories "Top apps" & "Jolla" are empty, categories "New apps" and all others are showing only 3rd party apps11:53
simoradditionally, via Store search I can find e.g. Documents on the phone where it's installed, but not on the other phone where it's manually removed11:56
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simorWell, while there's no help for my issue, I just found "Maps" from the Activity category :) any other workarounds to install apps by Jolla except for asking someone to comment them and watching the activity constantly? That seems to be my current way of installing any Jolla apps...12:25
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Yanielhuh? there is "essential apps from jolla" right at the top on the front page of the app store13:16
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Temeyeah... just open store and on the very first screen click the top13:17
Temetakes you to the basic apps list13:18
Temealso selecting category 'Jolla' takes to the same place13:18
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Temehe says they are empty... problem with the backend?13:19
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simorNickleu Yaniel: Normally yes, but those are empty in two Jolla's in our family... Only seeing 3rd party apps in Jolla Store. Any help would be welcome13:40
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jaacoppisimor: how about searching by name?14:02
jaacoppiaah sorry, diacussed qlready14:02
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baumquick question: is the battery covered within the warranty?15:13
ggabrielit should be15:15
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dirkvlask care@jolla.com15:19
tevehttps://jolla.com/warranty-policy/ Six (6) months from the date of purchase by the original end user for the following consumable parts and accessories: batteries15:20
falfais 6 month legal in europe?15:21
falfas/month/months/15:21
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ggabrielit's pretty common for batteries15:21
ggabrielnot sure about legality15:21
ggabrielbut batteries != electronics15:21
falfai always thought 1 year was minimum for consumer goods in europe15:22
ggabriel2 years i think, for electronics15:22
ggabrielmaybe even all consumer goods15:22
ggabrielbut that doesn't include batteries15:22
ggabriel(I think)15:22
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falfakk15:22
baumalright thanks, i'll give it a try15:22
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pp__warranty != statuatory rights15:47
Hellefalfa: for batteries it's legal15:47
Helleactually within Europe you have the right to warranty for as long as the "expected lifetime"15:48
pp__btw. https://together.jolla.com/question/89966/use-dual-stack-ipv4-and-ipv6-on-mobile-data-by-default/ could use some testing15:48
pp__would be nice to know if the "dual" breaks things happens to anyone else on 1.1.415:49
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trulsit defaults to v6 on wlan15:49
trulsjust to comment on something relevant but not on topic15:51
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coderusPhotoFunia public test: https://twitter.com/photofunia/status/59778316588167987316:25
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Mikaeladoes that command persist after reboot? I think someone has said that it doesn't, but nothing is mentioned on that page16:33
coderusMikaela: what command?16:34
Mikaelaand how so you copy that command in browser?16:34
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Mikaeladualstack ipv4/6 dbus-send16:34
Mikaelaoh, I am talking hour late again...16:35
coderusofono should save settings afaik16:35
Mikaelapp__ said "btw. https://together.jolla.com/question/89966/use-dual-stack-ipv4-and-ipv6-on-mobile-data-by-default/ could use some testing"16:35
Mikaelaok, thanks16:35
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pp__it doesn't afaik16:43
pp__lessee :-)16:44
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pp__hmn, still ipv6 after reboot so it does16:46
Mikaela:)16:49
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rednanWow, after two days: it's suddenly back alive17:14
rednanAppearently I had two broken chargers17:15
rednanMy laptop's permanently powered usb port fixed it17:15
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tadzikwow17:18
tadziktwo broken chargers, what are the odds17:18
rednanChina.. I should have known17:18
tadzik:/17:18
rednanThey probably broke during another of the great brownouts / overvolts here17:19
tadzikgood thing your laptop comes from a better manufacturer /s :P17:19
rednanIt's an almost 4 year old HP elitebook17:19
rednanWith no real signs of dieing17:19
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rednanIt has lost it's thumb mouse thing, and more scratches than a scratching post, but still, it works, it has a decent processor etc. It's just the battery life isn't that great (1 hour 40 minutes now)17:20
tadzikI recently got a new battery for my thinkpad, the extended one. It's marvelous17:21
rednanThe electric connection here is kind of borked. It has a lot of brownouts etc. I bought a really really high quality PSU for my desktop, just because of that17:21
tadzikthe old one has maybe 60-90 minutes of juice in it17:21
rednanI originally had 4 hours17:21
tadziksame here17:21
rednanStretching it17:21
tadziknew one goes 8-9 when not stressed too much17:21
rednan8560w with an AMD firepro graphics chip17:21
rednanThe only bad thing is that the I7 inside is a second generation, so it will always consume a lot17:23
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Mikaelajust to confirm with that IPv6 command, it's supposed to reply `method return sender=:1.7 -> dest=:1.365 reply_serial=2` when it's successful?19:34
MikaelaI hope so as I already reported to the thread and wouldn't like to edit the comment19:34
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r0kk3rzyeah thats pretty normal for a dbus command19:52
r0kk3rzyou need to query it to check the value19:52
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Mikaelahow do I do that?20:00
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Sail0rwhere does timed-qt5 load the alarms from20:04
Sail0rbecause I deleted everything from "Components" which was associated with an old calendar20:04
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Sail0rand the reminders still pop up for this calendar20:05
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falfarednan: chargers i think are not to be taken lightly, they do power work at high frequencies and need good design and good filters. A charger needs to transmit 5 watts to the phone and still try to be as small as possible. I've stopped buying cheap chargers and it feels safer now :-)20:11
r0kk3rzblame apple, they started doing silly things like reducing the size of wall warts20:12
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Nicd-of course, everything is always apple's fault20:12
Nicd-even though my jolla's charger is smaller than my wife's iphone's charger :P20:12
Nicd-and my nokia charger is even smaller20:12
the_mgtthe iphone charger is rather small, the fat one was for the ipad20:13
the_mgtdunno what the recent 6er versions use20:13
rednanfalfa, but the bad one came with my phone20:13
falfarednan: oh! :-(20:13
Mikaelar0kk3rz: how do I query it to check the value & pp__: you might want to mention that in the thread so people can confirm20:13
the_mgtbut i load everything with the ipad charger now, has more watts20:13
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falfathe risk of fire is probably still very small. Only a fraction of electrical fires start from chargers. some 90% start on stoves, then some more than 9% are heaters, hairdryers and that kind of electricality. Chargers are almost neglible (sic?)20:16
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r0kk3rzMikaela: dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0/context1 org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Get string:"org.ofono.ConnectionContext" string:"Protocol"20:16
r0kk3rzsomething like that should do it20:16
falfabut bad filtering does other bad things20:17
MikaelaError org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist20:17
r0kk3rzi always forget the syntax for dbus-send stuff, because they're just so memorable20:17
kimmolir0kk3rz: :)20:19
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kimmolii have a text-file in ~ to memorize that20:20
Mikaelaoh, that was sarcasm, I had difficulties understanding20:20
scottc105 euro + shipping 2 ways to fix my Jolla screen20:21
scottcho hum :(20:21
scottcor i pay 200 euro + send in my current jolla to get a new one... sigh20:22
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r0kk3rzMikaela: yeah sorry sarcasm, its easy to forget theres a lot of non-native english speakers in here20:25
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Stskeepsscottc: it's only 105 now?20:28
Stskeepsused to be worse20:28
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scottcStskeeps: "only"!20:28
scottcplus it's more like 140 if you include shipping both ways, which is rather high since i paid 200 originally...20:29
Stskeepslast i heard it was like 200+ so :P20:29
scottc200+ for a screen replacement? you'd literally be better off buying an entire new phone!20:30
Stskeepswhich is what many people did .. :P20:30
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scottcoh dear20:31
scottcthat really sucks20:31
scottcvery disappointed that it broke, only had it for two months20:31
Stskeepsit's really curious how some screens break and others seem like they're nokia 3310's20:31
scottcyeah...20:31
Stskeepsi've really beaten mine, and my wife has gotten hers beaten really badly too20:31
scottclucky you20:32
scottcmine just fell 30cm on to a laptop charger :(20:32
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fennekkiI have something that looks like a crack on my screen but it might actually be a scratch, too - I have no clue. It doesn't feel like a crack and it doesn't look like one from certain angles20:33
kimmolithe one i recently bought, was left between car door (in jacket pocket), soaked twice in toilet (just touch not working)20:33
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scottcjesus20:34
kimmolithat reminds me, how do i start synaptic manually? there is no evdev20:34
scottci must have gotten the worst dud jolla to date :P20:34
scottclooks like i'm out of the sailfish game until my tablet appears!20:35
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kimmolihttp://knowyourmeme.com/photos/950340-indestructible-nokia-331020:36
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kimmolior this http://imgur.com/gallery/4Mzo2kh20:37
MikaelaI had one of those! :D20:38
Mikaelabut it didn't have camera if I recall correctly, those were invented years later...?20:38
kimmolii forgot mine to my old corolla, it was between and drivers seat to keep it straight20:38
dr_gogeta86anyone here with nexus 520:39
dr_gogeta86?20:39
dr_gogeta86with sfos20:39
dr_gogeta86which cm11 snapshot ?20:39
Mikaeladr_gogeta86: you might want to try #nexus520:39
Mikaeladr_gogeta86: oh, then #sailfishos-porters or something20:39
Mikaelaor waas it #sailfish-porters20:39
scottc#sailfishos is pretty helpful too20:40
scottcpeople in there spoke about nexus 5s before20:40
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kimmolii'm pretty sure dr_gogeta86 is all over these channels already :)20:42
dr_gogeta86yep20:42
scottcgood stuff20:42
dr_gogeta86i can't find a suitable m9 for my phone20:43
kimmolii need to get another device running sfos, with different resolution on screen20:43
dr_gogeta86so i've askd20:43
kimmolii had 1+1 but my daughter took it20:43
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dr_gogeta86ahahah20:43
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