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Nicd-dat oom <306:08
Nicd-yesterday evening, had my phone's browser open because I was reading a page06:08
Nicd-it was lying on the table with the display open, I didn't touch it for a minute or so06:09
Nicd-suddenly boom, all apps except phone app dead06:09
Stskeepsdo you by chance have anything huge in outbox?06:09
Nicd-nothing in there06:11
Stskeepsok06:11
Nicd-I always have running calendar, phone and sailtime06:11
Nicd-usually the phone app survives oom kills06:11
Stskeepsshow me your dmesg?06:12
Stskeepswhen that happens06:12
Nicd-I'll try to get measurements when I get home06:12
Nicd-and logs06:12
Nicd-but I remember from one log that OOM said the browser had over 400 MB of memory when killed06:12
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TMavicaAnyone tried dolphin keyboard?06:59
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politieyea07:06
tadzikyea07:07
tadzikI don't know what it does. I installed all bunch of stuff, tweaked some settings, nothing happened07:07
politieits working for me since last update07:07
tadzikwhat does it change?07:08
politiejust got it for the emojis07:08
TMavicatadzik: it cant work for u?07:08
politiebesides that, it put a dot where the comma was so theres no comma on it07:08
TMavicaHope the dot?07:09
tadzikTMavica: it doesn't do anything07:09
TMavicaHold07:09
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TMavicatadzik: install core and english+emoji, not work?07:09
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tadziknothing07:09
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tadzikI also installed the... swipe? Stroke?07:10
tadzikit doesn't even show up in the settings07:10
TMavicaOthers is for chinese char07:10
politiestroke yea07:10
tadzikah07:10
tadzikthat may explain it :)07:10
TMavicaFor me just install core and cangjie07:11
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TemeV_is there sources for dolphin kbd available?07:15
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TMavicaI dont know07:16
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TMavicaJust know is a kid made it. Lol07:17
TemeVok07:18
TemeVI'd like to see what it does before installing :)07:19
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Sail0rdoes anyone know how to get rid of alarms of a deleted calendar?07:37
Sail0rThey keep still appearing07:37
StskeepsPMG: ?07:38
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PMGSail0r: did you delete the calendar account, or did you disable it in the Calendar app?07:39
Sail0rdisabled in calendar app and disabled sync for it07:40
Sail0rit's one of 5 caldav calendars07:40
Sail0rrest is still active07:40
Sail0rand if I query for the old notebook id in Components of the sqlite db07:43
Sail0rthere is nothing07:43
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PMGSail0r: ok, will look into the issue, and try to find a way to remove the alarms. The alarms are stored in /home/nemo/.timed/events.data, apparently the alarms were not cleared properly when you disabled the calendar.07:47
Sail0ris it save to delete the file? Or how to get rid of the alarms now?07:48
Sail0ryep looking at the file at the moment all events from this calendar are still their07:48
Sail0rit's 18MB of size07:48
PMGSail0r: the file contains all alarms from all accounts plus it stores clock/timer alarms.07:48
Sail0rok07:49
Sail0ris it possible to delete it and regenerate from current calendars?07:49
PMGSail0r: wow, that's a really big events.data file!07:49
Sail0rmaybe the size is the problem07:49
Sail0rtimed runs sometimes for half an hour at 100%07:50
PMGSail0r: yes, timed will probably spend some time parsing that file...07:50
temmi_foowhat format is it in?07:51
Sail0rlooks like json07:51
temmi_foo18MB doesn't sound that big a data file to me07:51
PMGtemmi_foo: timed uses libiodata, which has a custom format for storing stuff. My long-time dream has been to get rid of said library.07:52
Sail0rok what happens if I delete it? it's not regenerated in any way?07:52
temmi_fooa jolla phone is pretty close to 20 year old pc in many ways and 18MB would not have been big then07:52
temmi_fooPMG: I'm reading this as: there is a shitty lib parsing that07:52
Jopetemmi, shave off 10 years07:53
Jope18MB was big in 199507:53
PMGSail0r: you can delete the file. Timed reads the contents into memory, so do shut down timed first, then delete events.data.*, then restart timed.07:53
temmi_foowell yes07:53
Sail0rok07:53
Jopeand clock speeds were 100s of MHz07:53
PMGSail0r: the problem is that you will loose all alarms, the calendar alarms may be recreated by a future synch, but that is not certain.07:54
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Sail0rno problem have nothing important in them at the moment07:54
PMGSail0r: do a backup of the file, just to be sure :)07:54
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Sail0rok :)07:55
Sail0rjust move it in nemos home07:55
temmi_fooJope: yes I had 32megs of ram and a 100meg dx4 in -9507:55
PMGSail0r: i am trying out to clear alarms from a certain calendar with timedclient-qt5, will report back how that goes07:55
Sail0rthx :)07:55
temmi_fooi'm not sure if i had s3 964 or was that in -9607:55
temmi_fooalso a red gusmax with extra ram (with no benefit)07:56
Jopetemmi, you had a lot of ram for the time..07:56
temmi_fooyes07:57
PMGtemmi_foo: you got the shi%& lib part right :)07:57
temmi_fooJope: i was able to run xemacs succesfully without swapping!!!! hoorays!07:57
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Jopehehheh07:57
temmi_footurns out it wasn't my kind of editor but i used it as platform for running mail and news and irc clients07:57
JopeI ran those from the shell07:58
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temmi_fooi liked how vm/gnus integrated into each other07:59
temmi_fooalso irchat supported nicer multiwindow formatting and rescaling than any other irc client07:59
temmi_fooi ran irc under a screened shell in muncca.fi and connected to it from my ultracool x desk station or some random terminal somewhere08:00
temmi_foomost terminals were 80x24, with some better ones supporting 132x4308:01
temmi_foossh for the winnage <308:01
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temmi_foobefore that i did not dare use any remote shell access08:02
Jopegood old telnet should be enough for everyone08:02
temmi_foo:)08:02
Jopewhen I joined nokia in 2001, they were still telneting around08:02
Jopeon the intranet of course.08:02
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Jopethat changed pretty soon though08:02
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temmi_footelnet and rlogin were good for karl koch08:03
temmi_foobeen using ssh pretty much from when it was released, iirc in ftp.funet.fi08:06
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Nicd-http://www.stjsgadgets-portal.com/2015/05/snapdragon-818-10-cores-chipset-from.html08:34
Nicd-more cores!08:34
politiewe defenatly need more cores08:36
Nicd-related: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9227/mediatek-helio-x2008:36
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politiei need 8 cores for whatsapp only08:37
Nicd-definitely an interesting idea, having low-, mid- and high-end cpus for different requirements in the same package08:37
HelleNicd-: 4 fast cores, 4 slow cores, 2 "device" cores running the codecs, etc in a seperate memory space ?08:37
Stskeepswonder when they'll start shipping same chip for everything and then require a paid upgrade to enable some cores..08:38
Nicd-Stskeeps: don't they already do that? just that the payment is up front :P08:38
Stskeepsie damn cheap but you only get one core, if you pay higher subscription, it enables more core..08:38
Stskeeps:P08:38
Stskeepsso they just make one model of device in mass production08:39
Nicd-Helle: dunno more specifically, but the snapdragon is 4-2-4 and the helios is 2-4-4 (2 high power cores)08:39
HelleNicd-: interesting08:39
tbrStskeeps: IIUC QC does something like that already, e.g. for modem features and other things08:39
HelleStskeeps: heh, the IBM Mainframe model08:39
Stskeepsyeah..08:40
Stskeepswell, if it gets me near-zero hw cost..08:40
Stskeeps:P08:40
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Helleand fun hacking08:40
Nicd-wonder if it can only run one "cluster" at a time?08:40
Nicd-or use cores from different clusters concurrently08:41
HelleNicd-: often they share cache and/or memory access HW08:41
Helleso you can't08:41
* Stskeeps ponders selling an octacore jolla device as a one-core that you then pay to have more cores.. :p08:41
Nicd-downloadmorecores.com08:41
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zuttoi wonder what kind of prices those helio clusters will have08:42
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ggabrielStskeeps: mainframe strategy? :)08:44
ggabrielalso, may be taken out of context, people will be raging for a new 8 core jolla device coming up end of may :P08:44
Stskeepsggabriel: it seems to work for some companies08:44
Stskeeps:P08:44
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Hartziis there any way to fake gps position on jolla?08:53
dirkvllike force it to think it is on the moon?08:53
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Hartzisomething like that08:57
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Nicd-sadly GPS only covers the earth09:02
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fluxnicd-, not necessarily.. how high can the altitude be?-)09:03
fluxsadly2 I think probably not very high, those gps-folks have probably found a meaning for every single bit09:04
fluxbut probably the interfaces within Jolla would allow for very high altitudes?09:04
PMGSail0r: here's a short script that will remove all alarms: https://gist.github.com/pgerdt/996e411665a8df94c5ad09:06
Sail0rthx09:06
PMGSail0r: meant to say all alarms based on the notebook id, which the script takes as parameter09:06
Sail0rjust the notebook id as argument it seems09:06
Sail0rthx :)=09:06
PMGSail0r: the script removes alarms managed by timed, it does not affect the calendar DB in any way, future synchs of the notebook may /will bring back the alarms09:07
Sail0rcool thx :)09:07
PMGSail0r: a final warning: the removal is permanent, I recommend backups ;)09:08
Sail0rthx ;)09:08
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Sail0rAuthentication required for 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/features/latest/xt9/armv7hl/?credentials=store'09:18
Sail0roO09:18
Sail0rwtf09:18
Sail0rhappens when i use zypper from cli09:18
MikaelaCalendar questions: how do I 1. move event to another calendar and 2. change the default calendar?09:22
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MikaelaI would prefer my events to be in Gogle Calendar as it's accessible with PC too and I see events there more easily than trying to find them from phone memory and I seem to be accidentally putting events to "private" calendar which I believe means local and not synced09:23
ggabrielMikaela: 2. wasn't this in system->apps->calendar?09:24
Mikaelaggabriel: calendar is grayed out in system --> apps09:25
Mikaelaand 1. is grayed out in the "edit event"09:25
ggabrielMikaela: oh, ok, for 2. I have simply deselected the personal calendar from calendar->manage calendars (pulley menu)09:26
ggabrielthen it defaults to my caldav one09:26
Mikaelafor me it still defaults to private, I think09:27
ggabrielin your case, it will be the google one09:27
ggabrieli can still add events to my personal one though09:27
politiemaybe in settings accounts?09:27
Mikaelahmm, maybe it remembers where I last saved09:27
ggabrielMikaela: https://together.jolla.com/question/7059/selecting-the-default-calendar-or-moving-events-to-other-calendar/09:28
ggabrielthat's the best place to find info/ask09:28
Mikaelayes, the previous calendar is remember09:28
Mikaelathanks, taking a look09:28
ggabrieli still need to sort out my caldav one :P09:29
Mikaelanow I just have to use my hands and sync Google Calendar with paper calendar (when will that become automatic?) because some family members  don't want to move away from paper calendar and they are annoyed by my events not being in it...09:29
ggabrieli think google calendar must die, so when that happens you will only have the paper calendar, Mikaela ;)09:30
Mikaelano, when it dies I will rather use effort to setup OwnCloud to my VPS or Pi or something at cottage, or at least I think people have said that OwnCloud includes calendar09:31
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CityLights2any news about buying battaried?12:24
CityLights2batteries12:24
Nicd-no12:28
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fluxbtw, was the time zone issue regarding owncloud calendar syncing fixed?12:46
anYcif I didn't miss a update, no.12:48
anYcbut the developer is quite active, so I guess it will improve with the next update(s)12:49
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tango_hm is it just me or the UI doesn't allow using DHCP + custom DNS?14:31
tango_(for wlan)14:31
sjtoikjust you14:35
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tango_sjtoik: hm I have either the option of automatic IP (which doesn't allow me to customize DNS) or fully manual entry15:35
tango_and this is on the latest firmware15:35
Sail0rfor jolla?15:37
tango_yep15:37
Sail0rwhy want you customize DNS when using automatic IP?15:38
Sail0rmine always registers itself as jolla15:38
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locusfdns nameserver15:40
Sail0rah15:40
Sail0rbut most of the time it indeed doesn't make sense to set another dns server then provided via DHCP15:40
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Sail0rsounds more like a broken setup if you need to do this15:41
coderussudo nano /etc/resolv.conf15:42
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fennekki>nano15:48
fennekkioh wait this was an actual serious channel15:48
fennekkiI'm sorry15:48
Yaniel>was15:48
fennekkion any other channel I would've gone into a rant about how you should TOTALLY use vi15:48
fennekkivim*15:48
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fennekkiI should be more careful15:49
fennekki...though honestly, having used vim so much, I'm finding it difficult to use nano properly15:49
fennekkialso, if you have sudo, you could just as well use sudoedit15:50
fennekkiit makes a temp copy of the file so you can't make conflicting changes with anything else15:50
fennekkiEDITOR=$EDITOR sudoedit $FILE15:51
ahjolinnau can find vim at openrepos, if u really want it15:51
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fennekkithe vi on jolla is actually vim, tho15:51
Yanielspoiler: you don't need openrepos for that, it's preinstalled at least if you install dev mode15:51
fennekkisome kinda stripped-down version, I presume15:51
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fennekkiit even sets nocompatible, ffs, it's not really vi :D15:52
ahjolinnaYaniel: why is there a openrepos version then? :D15:52
fennekkimaybe it has help pages, or is a newer version, or something15:53
ahjolinnadoes the openrepos version have more patches..its seems to have 70315:54
Nicd-what's wrong with nano?15:55
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trulsnot leet enough for the leet crowd15:55
Nicd-it's really simple and does the job most of the time15:55
Nicd-no useless bells and whistles15:55
fennekkiyeah nano is fine15:57
fennekkiI hear it even has undo15:57
ggabrieli think the best editor is pico15:58
ggabrieli don't know what you guys are talking about15:58
trulsnano is ~the same as pico, only made with a GPL-license, where pico was bundled with the email client pine under a different license16:00
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fennekkiisn't nano basically a pico clone16:00
fennekkiwith the express purpose of being pico, but GNU16:01
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Teguand alpine is similar story, I guess?16:01
Hellefennekki: these days a lot of work went into newbie friendlier then even pico16:01
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Teguapparently yes: "alpine - an Alternatively Licensed Program for Internet News and Email"16:02
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ggabrieladmittedly, even gentoo uses nano as default editor, and gentoo is meant to be "hardcore"16:04
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trulscough16:04
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fennekkieh16:04
fennekkiI find what text editor someone uses mostly tells what text editor someone uses16:05
fennekkiI mean, vim isn't beginner-friendly, and I guess emacs isn't THAT beginner-friendly, either, but beyond that it's just "I used this for a while so I know how to use it now"16:05
fennekkiand then you don't stop using it because why would you16:06
ggabrielproper text editors, user friendly or not, are complex anyway16:06
ggabrieli use vim most of the time16:07
ggabrieland get slightly frustrated when i use vi and i try V16:07
ggabrielbut then I can count, so it's ok :)16:07
fennekkihah16:07
trulsedlin.com16:07
fennekki...anyway, speaking of gentoo, I might be using Gentoo right now16:07
fennekkiI seem to have no vim open tho16:07
ggabrielme too, and i don't see vim open16:08
ggabrielbut i remmeber seeing some swap files16:08
ggabrielclearly something went wrong ;)16:08
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mekluI just set a separate directory for that17:06
meklu:directory iirc17:06
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simorsome DIT: http://goo.gl/forms/dMTYAXwTre20:26
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Blizzzever happened that you charge your jolla phone and it's getting untouchably hot after some time?21:55
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coderusit means battery?21:58
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