#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2015-05-19

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chris37879So, I heard about some new Sailfish OS announcements and decided to give the OS a look again. I must say I'm disappointed at the misleading advertising on sailfish.org. "Sailfish OS can run Android™ applications." No. It can't. Jolla Sailfish can, but the actual opensource project that I can use on my Nexus 5 cannot. The typical answer I see is "Buy a Jolla Phone." And I'd love to, but they don't sell them in the US.00:07
chris37879Does anyone know if Jolla has said anything about this? Are they planning on maybe putting the Android Support app up in the store as a paid option for everyone?00:07
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lpotterMyriad develops and controls aliendalvik00:22
lpotterI haven't heard any talk about doing that, but perhaps when the store gets paid app support, they might do that00:23
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Nicd-I ran into some strange behaviour yesterday07:33
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Nicd-I tried calling a person and they were taking another call, so it said "the person is speaking on the phone, please hold" for a while before it disconnected07:34
Nicd-after the call ended, every time the whole mobile connection died07:34
Nicd-this happened at least 4 times07:35
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Nicd-woohoo, Pitot is in the Jolla app store :)09:59
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fluxnicd-, congratulations! can you describe what you're feeling now?10:01
Nicd-overwhelming joy10:01
Nicd-also shame because the app's about page says 1.0.1 while it's actually 1.0.3 :D10:02
Nicd-forgot to increment it10:02
nazanin:P10:02
Mikaelathat is probably good reason for releasing 1.0.4? :P10:03
Mikaelaor 1.0.3.110:03
Nicd-yes, 1.0.4 :D10:03
Nicd-I will update it to say 1.0.3 ;)10:03
Mikaelathen you will need 1.0.5 too!10:03
Nicd-it never ends10:03
Mikaelaminor design issue10:04
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birdzhangbash: line 1:  5492 Segmentation fault      DISPLAY=:0.0 QT_NO_JOURNALD_LOG=1 /usr/bin/harbour-sailfish_sinaweibo10:29
birdzhangHave you guys meet this error ?10:29
birdzhangonly show "Segmentation fault      DISPLAY=:0.0 QT_NO_JOURNALD_LOG=1",the the Application exit10:30
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ggabrielnope... what application is that?10:30
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birdzhangWeibo10:33
ggabrieli'd inform the author10:34
birdzhanglike instagram10:34
birdzhangthe author also donot know how to resolve it10:34
Yanielstep 1: find out how to reproduce the crash10:35
ggabrielstep 2: ???10:35
ggabrielstep 3: profit10:35
Yanielstep 2: run the app in gdb and reproduce the crash10:35
birdzhanggdb?10:35
Yanieldebugger10:35
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ggabrielbirdzhang: tried to restart the device?10:36
ggabriel(assuming this is a new application)10:36
birdzhangwhen sailfish version before 1.1.2.16,this is no this error10:36
Yanielmaybe it's built against an old Qt version then?10:37
birdzhangno,use this latest10:38
birdzhanglastest10:38
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ggabrielok, the author really needs to get on the case then10:39
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birdzhangyes10:39
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birdzhanganother case :https://www.mail-archive.com/devel%40lists.sailfishos.org/msg05866.html10:41
birdzhangthe author is offline months10:41
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birdzhangi use gdb and found this:    error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.10:55
birdzhangerror: X DG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.10:55
birdzhangon ubuntu can use "pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY gedit" ,how about sailfish ?10:56
locusfso this is in emulator?11:00
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locusfah in gdb11:01
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birdzhangnot emulator11:18
birdzhang[New Thread 0x438353f0 (LWP 19489)]11:22
birdzhangerror: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.11:22
birdzhang[C] unknown:0 - Failed to create display (No such file or directory)11:22
birdzhangXD is "X D"11:22
coderusbirdzhang: we're not using gui with smiles, don't worry :)11:23
birdzhangme too :laughing:11:23
ggabrielcoderus: speak for yourself, my laptop hugs me for each O and kisses me for each X11:23
birdzhang:sly:11:26
coderusggabriel: but you still see XO in window, right? :)11:28
birdzhangSegmentation fault      DISPLAY=:0.0 QT_NO_JOURNALD_LOG=1 /usr/bin/harbour-xxx11:29
birdzhangplease help me resolve it11:29
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ggabrielcoderus: by the time I get the kiss and the hug I forget about the window. this reminds me of that japanese t-shirt that was connected via bluetooth to your phone and warmed you up every time somebody sent you love somehow11:31
birdzhangcoderus: ou,you're not using gui ... i lost "not"  -_-!11:31
ggabrielbirdzhang: sorry, above my skills... to me a segfault is tha the program is probably accessing protected memory11:32
ggabrielthe real reason could be anything11:32
coderusbirdzhang: gdb executable11:33
coderusbirdzhang: run11:33
coderusbirdzhang: backtrace11:33
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coderusbut probalby you will need sources and build in debubg mode and insall with debuginfo package11:34
coderusto get actual backtrace with not stripped anything11:34
birdzhangthank you ,let me try11:34
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locusfalso:11:35
locusfset environment XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/10000011:36
locusfinside gdb11:36
birdzhangyeah11:36
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birdzhangmodule "xxx.xxx" is not installed ...11:46
birdzhangmodule is registered at main.cpp11:47
birdzhangamazing11:51
birdzhang:surprised:11:51
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coderusbirdzhang: it can be reason of qml fail, not segfault12:03
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gabriel9swipe from bottom dont work for me anymore :(12:05
gabriel9anyone have this issue?12:05
birdzhangcoderus: i will find it,thank you12:06
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ggabrielgabriel9: nope, works for me12:07
gabriel9https://together.jolla.com/question/55359/cant-access-notifications/12:08
gabriel9damn12:08
gabriel9what to do now?12:08
gabriel9there is no chance that i can send it for repair12:09
Nicd-gabriel9: reboot?12:09
gabriel9did that12:10
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chem|stgabriel9: doubt it is a hardware issue12:11
kimmoligabriel9: check with paint that can you draw down to bottom edge, or does it end somewhere close?12:11
gabriel9i can press icons on bottom12:12
kimmolior check with evdev_trace -t do you get touch input values below visible area on screen?12:13
chem|stgabriel9: that does not tell how far touches are recognized... see if it helps to remove the battery for 10 minutes12:13
gabriel9will try that also12:13
TemeVI don't see how battery trick would fix touch issues12:13
TemeVit is used to fix the reboot problem12:13
TemeV"fix"12:13
kimmoliit causes mechanical movement/tension release from touchscreen ... if you have stuffed too much paper below battery you certainly cause something12:14
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chem|stTemeV: removing the battery fixes several issues, I never had that reboot issue but a stuck modem, stuck sounds and so on12:14
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TemeVkimmoli: that would make sense12:15
gabriel9kimolli: bottom of the screen dont work :(12:15
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gabriel9i am doomed :D12:15
kimmolitry the battery, at least it will reset the capacitive touch for good. allow it to be off for 10 min12:16
birdzhang-jollaDoom,:),maybe we can write a dota2 forum  client12:17
kimmolimaybe there is some latchup caused by static tjsp12:17
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gabriel9dota2 :)12:18
gabriel9sure :)12:18
gabriel9and wot client :D12:18
gabriel9i play to many games...12:18
gabriel9battery is out, now just wait and pray to the gods of hardware12:19
kimmolii'm pretty sure this is software problem12:20
gabriel9i hope that also12:21
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kimmoliit is just my ethic background...12:21
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TemeVeverything is a sw problem until proven otherwise12:24
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kimmolii'd start with user error12:24
TemeVuser error until proven to be sw bug12:25
kimmolifailure is not an option. It comes bundled with the software12:27
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kimmolii have seen (or heard) couple of devices with touch issues on bottom edge, few mm to 1 cm dead12:27
kimmolisometimes working, mostly not12:28
jpakkaneMy first device was like that. Though it was about 2cm.12:29
gabriel9it did not help12:31
gabriel9great12:31
gabriel9thanks all for idead12:32
gabriel9ideas12:32
gabriel9now i need new phone...12:32
politieiphone 512:32
gabriel9:/12:33
politieiphone 6?12:34
gabriel9:\12:34
gabriel9:D12:34
gabriel9no no12:34
gabriel9i dont need that12:35
gabriel9i just want qml and linux12:35
SQUelcherobeyphone http://www.mydealz.de/42610/acer-aspire-v-nitro-vn7-591g-5727-fuer-799e-156-notebook-mit-fullhd-core-i5-4210h-und-geforce-gtx-960m/12:35
SQUelchererr12:35
SQUelcherobeyphone ∞,12:35
SQUelcherI hate Windows.. I'm currently on an university computer..12:36
politiemeizu mx4 with the buntu phone12:36
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politieno way to solve gabriel9 his problem with a patch or something?13:03
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coderuspolitie: duct tape pach?13:09
politieductape another phone back to back, the other one has the events view permanently13:11
Stskeepspolitie: events view would look sweet on something like epaper backcover like the yota has it..13:11
politieyea13:12
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gabriel9yota is nice :)13:20
gabriel9but i want my jolla to work :(13:21
gabriel9is there a way to order new screen13:22
ggabrielnope13:23
Stskeepsmay be cheaper to buy a new one13:23
ggabrielthey may repair it13:23
gabriel9new one13:23
gabriel9damn13:23
ggabrielor they offer you (read: they offered me) a discounted brand new phone13:23
ggabrielat (I think) 200e13:23
gabriel9i sold brand new phone to buy this one :D13:23
ggabrielbut you have ot send yours first13:23
Stskeepsggabriel: oh that's clever13:23
gabriel9i live in Bosnia And hercegovina...13:24
ggabrielStskeeps: that's care@j.c...13:24
ggabrieltbh, I'd buy another phone at that price13:24
ggabrielbut don't want to send mine in as it still works13:24
kimmoliyou'll need to wait that homescreen works in landscape, then you swipe notificatios from long edge ?13:25
gabriel9that i do now13:25
gabriel9reotate then swipe :D13:25
TemeVis there way to change resolution :p13:26
TemeVChanging it so that it doesn't use bottom of the screen might work13:26
gabriel9its a hack13:29
TemeVoh, really?13:30
TemeV:)13:30
gabriel9:D13:30
gabriel9maybe to add there some notifications13:30
gabriel9like clock13:30
gabriel9and call it jolla edge13:31
gabriel9just need to change whole UI :D13:31
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politieyou should be able to configure the gestures13:33
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politiecoderus you're making mitakuulu right?13:49
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gabriel9maybe it is time to get a new phone14:24
gabriel9but there is no Jolla214:24
Temethat is currently my situation :(14:24
falfaWE NEED IT!14:25
Temebecause of memory issues14:25
falfaNAU!14:25
Temeand i'm kinda sour about the tablet at the moment... forces me to get something that is not Jolla14:25
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Temewhen i think that the resources could have been used to release a hardware upgrade to phone users14:26
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Temeinstead the phone is pretty much done for after the latest updates taking more and more memory and OOM killer getting wild14:27
Temeit is just intolerable that media player gets killed while the phone is idle in my pocket14:28
Temesure, you can always say that i should not use Android browsers14:28
Temebut i doubt the normal browser is that much lighter, it gets tabs killed in the background too i hear14:28
Temesince for Opera killing separate tabs is not possible, OOM killer just decides to kill media player14:29
Temewhich is about the worst thing to do14:29
MikaelaHave you tried stopping Android support when you don't need it14:29
TemeMikaela: too much hassle for example in the bus14:29
Temeto stop it every time i put it in my pocket14:29
Temethen get it back after 30s when i remember i need to google something etc14:30
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Mikaelaweird, I do that at bus all the time, but now that I think about it ä, I haven't used Android apps so much14:30
Temei pretty much use only Opera nowadays14:30
Temea few months back it used to be ok with both Opera and Skype running all the time14:30
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Temenow just Opera seems to be enough to trigger OOM killer :/14:31
Mikaelahave you tried requesting native versions?14:31
Temenative versions of... Opera?14:31
Temei find that pretty pointless tbh14:31
Temeto ask for it14:31
Mikaelaof course that isn't a solution, but if enough many people asked...14:31
Mikaelayes14:31
MikaelaI see14:31
Temesolution for me would be just to throw more hardware at it... but not up to me :(14:32
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Temebut i gotta jump in the Oneplusone -bandwagon pretty soon14:35
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gabriel9i dont know what to get next14:46
ggabrielyou guys buy phones more often i buy shirts :P14:47
gabriel9N9 was the best phone ever LD14:47
gabriel9in my whole life i had 4 phones14:47
gabriel9and i am 30 years old14:47
gabriel9damn i am old :/14:47
SQUelcherI'm still using my E90 :P14:47
chem|stgabriel9: n900 was best phone ever so far14:47
chem|stwhat I would buy in a heartbeat would be a PsionSFOS phone... but sadly they stopped doing consumer hardware...14:48
JoonaaHey, does anyone know how much battery media player should be using when playing music? My phone was getting really hot and battery went down to 30% today :L14:49
chem|stJoonaa: that is probably related to something else at the same time14:49
StskeepsJoonaa: mp3?14:49
Joonaaflac14:49
Joonaachem|st: yeah, i rebooted the phone and it seemed to be better, didnt really see anything weird in processes though14:50
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chem|stI only get a hot device when installing upgrades and charging at the same time14:50
Stskeepshow many mAh was it jolla1 has again?14:50
chem|stor GPS + online maps14:50
chem|st370014:50
chem|st?14:50
Stskeepsno, 210014:51
gabriel9what is the best phone for Sailfish os?14:51
Joonaahmm, weird... ill keep an eye on it i guess14:51
ggabrieljolla?14:51
chem|stgabriel9: jolla atm...14:51
StskeepsJoonaa: should be able to do 40-ish hours of playback14:51
gabriel9:D14:51
chem|stgabriel9: if non jolla probably a nexus514:51
chem|stJoonaa: was internet connection on?14:52
gabriel9i dont know where to repair my jolla14:52
Joonaachem|st yes14:52
chem|stgabriel9: where are you from14:52
Joonaawlan14:52
gabriel9so nexus is then14:52
Joonaawifi, whatever14:52
chem|stJoonaa: hot is usually traffic, lots of14:52
Joonaahmm, thats weird14:52
chem|stgabriel9: when in EU you are still in warranty14:52
Joonaai only had whatsapp and meecast running14:53
gabriel9is BiH in EU?14:53
gabriel9we are part of EU14:53
gabriel9but not member of EU14:53
gabriel9is it still worth?14:53
chem|stwhere did you buy it?14:54
gabriel9thats the catch: from friend friend in Luxemburg14:54
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gabriel9frieds friend14:54
chem|stthat is then within EU warranties14:54
gabriel9i cant go to Luxemburg, and i dont know how to contact that guy there...14:55
gabriel9maybe to ask Jolla support14:55
chem|styou contact care at jolla14:55
gabriel9will do that tonight\14:55
chem|styes, it does not matter where you are it does matter where you bought it BUT I don't know about terms for 2nd hand devices as usually full warranty is only for the initial buyer14:56
gabriel9i got my phone unpacked14:56
gabriel9and it was not used14:57
gabriel9you would not belive what i did to get it to...14:57
chem|stare you the original receipient?14:57
gabriel9no14:57
gabriel9i will ask support14:57
chem|stthat you can remember for the next time, if you order something like that, your name needs to be on the invoice!14:58
gabriel9i could not order it in my country...14:58
chem|stI stop explaining, think it through yourself14:59
gabriel9you are right, i made mistake with that order.15:00
gabriel9but there was no other way to get it...15:00
chem|styou need to get the initial guy to send it in, then you may get it repaired15:05
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coderuspolitie: maybe15:59
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politieIts nice16:20
politieWanted to ask if i could import multiple historys from other clients16:20
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coderuspolitie: database is not encrypted16:25
coderusdo what you want :)16:25
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politieAllright thanks man16:26
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HtheBcoderus: ping19:28
coderusHtheB: pong19:29
HtheBsince you were very popular with symbian right?19:29
HtheB- since19:29
HtheBcoderus: you were very popular with symbian right?19:31
HtheBwhat about ngage?19:31
coderusHtheB: no19:32
coderusonly some 9.2 devices and S^319:32
HtheBah alright19:32
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Stskeepshttp://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8624901/russia-mobile-os-sailfish-jolla-tizen19:36
Nicd-where do I apply for such a grant? ;)19:37
coderusreally :)19:37
Stskeepsa bit clearer19:39
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lpotterrussian ministry for really cool grants, maybe?19:40
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r0kk3rzmakes a bit more sense19:45
HtheBtizen?19:45
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pp"sailfish is our os of choice" ~= "there are no russian infidels in ukraine", alas20:39
Stskeepsi miss the iraqi information minister.20:41
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HtheBdirkvl: yo22:02
dirkvlhello22:02
HtheBwadup22:02
dirkvlnot much22:02
dirkvlmidnight dive in to the wonderful world of i2c22:02
dirkvland hex-bin conversions22:03
HtheBwatched eurovision?22:03
HtheBtrijntje failed :p22:03
dirkvli refrain myself from watching that disgrace to humanity22:05
HtheBrofl22:05
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HtheBwhat I dont understand: wtf is Australia doing at EUROvision?22:05
dirkvlwtf is anyone doing there22:05
HtheBsinging? :P22:05
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HtheBwell, good that Turkey doesn't join it anymore22:05
HtheBsince like 3 years22:06
HtheBlike you said, it's ridiculous22:06
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dirkvli praise them for doing that22:06
dirkvland all other countries should follow there lead22:06
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HtheBoh dirkvl22:28
dirkvl:)22:29
HtheBwanneer zal ik de geleende toetsenbord terug sturen?22:29
dirkvlha22:29
dirkvlwat moet ik daar mee :p22:30
HtheBje zei wil je lenen, dus daar ging ik er ook van uit ^^22:30
* HtheB keeps it as a souvenir for my collection then :D22:30
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HtheBdirkvl: Thanks!22:45
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dirkvlno problemo22:50
dirkvlentering sleep mode22:50
dirkvlsudo sleep22:50
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