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tbrrost05:26
tiwakepot roast05:31
tiwakemuch nom05:31
tbralso wrong window05:32
tiwakewrong windows happen05:33
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japa-fi_I have a problem with screen input. I can't control current application, instead it feels like the software keyboard is lurking somewhere stealing all the keypresses.06:50
japa-fi_I hear click when ever I touch to a space where they software keyboard would be06:50
japa-fi_if I hit outside of that area, I don't hear the "typing click206:50
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TemeVI thought that bug was fixed ages ago07:05
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Jonnijapa-fi_: there is a known bug that sometimes if you happen to generate 2 touch events in the exact same time, then the statemachine can get into a state that sends keyevents to wrong target (or something). Its going to be fixed in upcoming releases.07:13
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japa-fi_Any workaround?07:16
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japa-fi_I finally rebooted my phone07:17
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japa-fi_Btw. I got notification: "Running out of space". I have 1 gig free on root partition. Is that something to worry about?07:26
Yanielbtrfs fi show07:27
Yanielbut probably yes07:27
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intejapa-fi_: thats a bug07:29
inteoccurs regulary07:29
* Yaniel is paranoud about btrfs07:29
japa-fi_so I should be worried?07:29
Yanielparanoid even07:29
japa-fi_df shows only 93% used07:30
intei would recommend to install "Home refresh"07:30
Yanielyes but it does not show btrfs metadata07:30
intejapa-fi_: Homerefresh restarts lipstick and you can use your phone again w/o restart07:30
inteAND07:30
intemake some space07:31
inteand do a btrfs fi balance07:31
japa-fi_btrfs fi show: fs bytes used 12.23Gib, devid 1 size 13.75GiB, used 13.75Gib07:32
intejapa-fi_: https://together.jolla.com/question/80738/jolla-screen-becomes-unresponsive-in-various-scenarious/07:32
intei would recommend to remove some files until you're below 10gib07:33
intethan do the rebalance07:33
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chem|stjapa-fi_: only 93%?! usually at 95% is userquota for userdata on my systems, do you know what happens with android phones when you fill up internal storage beyond 90%? It becomes an illuminated coffee pod...08:17
tadzikHmm, how can I debug my Twitter not updating, even when manually asked to?08:18
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coderustadzik: begin with journalctl08:24
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chriadamtadzik:08:29
chriadamsystemctl --user stop msyncd08:29
chriadamkillall msyncd08:29
chriadamMSYNCD_LOGGING_LEVEL=8 devel-su -p msyncd08:30
chriadamthen in separate terminal:08:30
chriadamdevel-su journalctl -af | grep twitter08:30
chriadamthen trigger sync via the UI08:30
chriadamsend the logs to chris dot adams at jolla dot com after redacting any personal information08:30
chriadam(logs == output from the journalctl terminal)08:30
chriadamalso, note if there's a difference when you trigger it via eventsview pulley menu compared to Settings|Accounts->longpress Twitter->Sync08:31
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japa-fi_I executed (as root): btrfs fi balance start /08:39
japa-fi_How long should I expect it to run?08:39
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TemeVjapa-fi_: it can take anything from few minutes to several hours08:40
japa-fi_Oki, will leave my phone to charger, just in case08:41
TemeVyeah, that's the safe solution08:42
coderusjapa-fi_: depend on free space08:43
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coderusbetter way is free somw space before balancing, 200MB or so.08:52
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tadzikchriadam: thanks, will do09:21
chriadam:-)09:22
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chriadamI may not respond until tomorrow, though, as I'm heading home for the night shortly09:23
tevepwd09:30
ggabrielteve: C:\WIN09:30
japa-fi_Back from lunch and the btrfs balance has been completed: "Done, had to relocate 21 of 21 nodes".09:31
japa-fi_Anything to worry about?09:31
kjetilhono, that's normal09:31
TemeVjapa-fi_: what does btrfs fi show say now?09:32
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japa-fi_bytes used 10.25GiB, devid 1 size 13.75Gib, used 13.75Gib09:34
japa-fi_(I made couple of gigs additional free space before balance)09:34
TemeVseems it didn't go too well then09:37
tadzikchriadam: heh. I restarted msyncd and immediately twitter synced properly09:39
japa-fi_doing it again09:40
kjetilhoTemeV: why do you say that?09:40
tadzikMaybe because it was started as root, hmm09:40
TemeV"13.75Gib, used 13.75Gib" so it is still full09:41
chriadamtadzik: hrm. if msyncd crashed (and stayed dead) for some reason, that's a problem anyway... I don't know how to tell what might have caused that to occur, though, unless you have crash-reporting enabled (or if that's even a thing on non-internal devices)09:42
tadzikchriadam: never heard of it, but now that I think of it, emails didn't sync automatically for a while either (now they did)09:43
kjetilhoTemeV: well...  it just means that there is no space available for extending the metadata09:43
kjetilhothere could be plenty of space for metadata even so.  see btrfs file df /09:44
TemeVI'm not an expert on this matter, but what I've heard "size 13.75Gib, used 13.75Gib" is bad09:45
chriadamtadzik: right, msyncd is the daemon which manages all of the synchronisation handlers in Sailfish OS (with a couple of exceptions, noteably the XMPP roster synchronization via contactsd, and the birthday calendar generation also via contactsd).09:46
chriadamif it crashes, all synchronization will stop09:46
chriadambut interestingly, it's a systemd service which _should_ be restarted again on crash09:47
chriadamif that didn't occur, then it probably wasn't crashed, but instead stuck / busy looping or starving due to mutex lock or something :-/09:47
chriadambad things (tm)09:47
tadzikYeah :/09:47
kjetilhoTemeV: it's not ideal, no.09:47
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kjetilhothis is a quite clear.  scroll down to "what happens under the bonnet": https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/09:52
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Yanielhaha :D I broke QuasarMX10:21
Yaniel(again :( )10:22
Yanielno audio whatsoever and apparently its internal state got very confused too10:22
Yanielthe playlist claimed it was playing something and the control buttons claimed it was paused10:22
Yanieland tapping either woudl just swap them around10:23
Yanielapparently this was caused by my bluetooth headset suddenly coming online10:23
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temmi_mooyeash, you should warn everybody beforehand when that is about to happen10:26
Yanielwell, it did not disconnect cleanly when the battery ran out10:28
Yanieland when it was charged fully it powered itself on again10:29
YanielI suppose that didn't go as specced either10:29
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sjtoikfor fuck sake! i'm about to throw the phone into the wall. keyboard bugged out several times when i wrote text message and now, when i finally sent it, it dissappeard10:34
sjtoikwtf. clicking space bar hides the keyboard10:36
coderusdid you tried reboot phone? :)10:36
sjtoikdidn't have to. the phone shut it self down10:37
coderusreboot it properly.10:38
Nicd-have you installed custom keyboards from openrepos?10:38
coderusand check https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/10:38
sjtoiknot rebooting quite yet. app store crashed itself and caused the green light to blink for a while10:38
sjtoikand no, i don't have anything but vanilla stuff installed10:39
sjtoikok, meerun from the repos10:39
coderuscheck my link first10:39
sjtoik20% utilized, but it once was full, when i moved some music files around10:40
coderusthen contact care10:42
coderusthey will suggest what to do10:42
sjtoiki will, after i have checked that btrfs stuff10:43
sjtoikreboot helped with my message sending10:45
sjtoikand this time the keyboard didn't play hide and seek10:45
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japa-fi_I moved a lot of stuff from my phone. did balance. real space used 6 gigs, balance result 9 gig used out of 13.75.11:00
temmi_moogood fs11:00
japa-fi_moved my files back, filespace used 10 gigs, btrfs show: 13.75 used out of 13.75 :(11:00
coderus:D11:01
coderusdo balance again11:01
japa-fi_so back where I started. 30% overhead not so nice.11:01
temmi_moojapa-fi_: quiet you, it is a good and well chosen filesystem11:02
coderususe ncdu or data inspector (same thing, but gui) to check what eating your data :)11:02
coderusi know gagbook can produce gigs of cache11:02
ggabrieli formatted it in hpfs and happy days11:02
coderusggabriel: formatter what?11:03
ggabrielmy root fs11:03
ggabrieli'm obviously joking :P11:03
sjtoiki just managed to migrate my old lvm setup to btrfs on desktop11:07
sjtoikwonder what comes up and how it hold against ff cache writes11:08
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coderuson desktop with latest kernel btrfs is good11:09
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sjtoikbtw, btrfs on phone is just fine11:14
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japa-fi_second rebalance: filespace used 10 gigs, btrfs 13.75 of 13.75 :(11:15
japa-fi_I guess I'll just purchase a memory card and empty all my music from phone filesystem11:16
japa-fi_use it on the memorycard11:16
ggabrieljapa-fi_: you don't happen to have any backup subvolumes, right?11:16
ggabrieljapa-fi_: fwiw, I got a relatively cheap 64gb one and I store pretty much everything there :P11:16
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japa-fi_how can I backup subvolumes?11:18
japa-fi_Not that I know of11:18
ggabrieli think in older versions of sailfish, every time you restored from factory, it backed up your home or something11:18
h4PPYC4Thi - i want to switch the default browser to webpirate. i found this so far: https://together.jolla.com/question/1836/set-default-browser/ - there is an example for webcat, which works in general...11:18
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sjtoikone of the base assumptions is that disk space is cheap11:18
h4PPYC4T...but it works only for sailfish applications, if i open an url from an android-app, nothing happens...11:19
ggabrielsjtoik: tell that to any enterprise storage manager :P11:19
ggabrieljapa-fi_: in the tjc about balancing etc it should say how to check and remove those subvolumes11:19
ggabrieli can't remember ottomh11:19
japa-fi_Where is the memorycard mounted at? I would like to move my stuff from ~/Music to  /memory_card/Music11:20
sjtoikits hidden under /media11:20
ggabrieljapa-fi_: /media/sdcard/{uuid]11:20
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h4PPYC4Tbtw. my open-url.desktop looks like this: http://pastebin.com/XM7Dz53W11:27
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temmi_moohttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/raspoe-raspberry-pi-poe-shield/12:16
SpeedEvilBoring. I wanted ravens.12:17
temmi_mooand hookers12:18
temmi_mooand blackjack12:18
SpeedEvilhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Foscam-Airsight-5-volt-10-watt-PoE-ethernet-power-up-to-328-ft-splitter-only-/171027666200?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d20b1518 also12:19
ggabrielon the random subject topic, today's xkdc is pretty good12:19
SpeedEvilhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Foscam-Wansview-5-volt-power-over-ethernet-POE-data-extension-up-to-328-ft-/170957746355?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item27cde030b3 - for practically the same price12:21
SpeedEvilhowever, to actually drag this back on topic.12:21
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SpeedEvilI haven't been tracking this as well as I'd have liked due to illness and stuff. Is there a hypothesised delivery date for preordered tablets?12:22
ggabrielI assume 31 July12:22
ggabrielbut no news otherwise12:23
ggabrielsome people are "desperate" for a blog explaining the screen issue12:23
ggabrielbecause that will hurry things up ofc12:23
temmi_mooSpeedEvil: 802.3af poe is better than "oh we have now THIS voltage on the line without any negotiation"12:23
SpeedEviltemmi_moo: yes.12:24
SpeedEvilI'm not of course disagreeing with that.12:24
temmi_mooi know ours is expensive, the whole point is that we want a compact and nohassle solution and the manuf. mass effect doesn't yet kick in with those small numbers12:24
SQUelchertemmi_moo: it's still very expensive as you can buy 802.3af compliant splitters for €10-1512:24
temmi_moounit costs keep high12:24
SQUelchertemmi_moo: sorry..12:25
temmi_mooi know12:25
temmi_moothey don't fit as compactly on the raspi12:25
SpeedEviltemmi_moo: yes, I'm not disagreeing that that might be a reasonable cost for them.12:25
SpeedEvilAnd that it is a very neat unit.12:25
temmi_mooit's also more expensive than comparable not as neat units12:25
temmi_mooway more12:25
temmi_mooroughly fourfold the price compared to cheapest splitter that claims 802.3af12:26
temmi_moothing is, we want to make poe adaptations for everything out there12:26
temmi_moothis is not our first and we hope it's not our last12:26
temmi_mooi want a poe laptop charger12:27
SpeedEvilggabriel: I've gotten somewhat less patient now that my intermediately purchased tablet is dying.12:27
SpeedEviltemmi_moo: I'd have suggested a 5V output module with slectable outputs, personally, rather than dedicating it to pi.12:28
SQUelchertemmi_moo: I would buy one, but I'm still using two RasPi 1 with cameras in outdoor cases which are way too small for additional boards..12:29
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ggabrielSpeedEvil: i hear ya, i should get tohkbd2 soon to ease the pain12:40
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politie1hopefully soon12:44
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h4PPYC4Thmm, still no luck on my attempt to switch the default browser, so that it also affects url-calls from android-applications. however i found something in the logs: http://pastebin.com/XQMPbf6C - this happens when an android-application try to open an url with webpirate...14:36
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h4PPYC4Tagain for the context: webpirate works fine when it gets called from a sailfish-application.14:42
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coderush4PPYC4T: author should update webpirate to have dbus service15:17
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h4PPYC4Tah, i see - so that's the reason. thx for the info. :)15:18
coderusyeah, android process should not be a parent of browser process15:19
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chem|stcoderus: what an offer on the ML!15:22
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ggabrielchem|st: the otr one?15:23
chem|stggabriel: yes15:23
Liekeis otr coming to sailfish?15:24
ggabrielthing is... they are asking for some sort of comment from jolla re front end15:24
chem|stggabriel: I know15:24
ggabrielbut what can jolla possibly respond? "soon"?15:24
Morpog_PCif Jolla ever reads the comment at all15:24
ggabrielif you like messing with otr, then jfdi15:24
chem|stStskeeps: find someone you can beat to a "Yes if you do the backend we find someone to do the glue"15:25
ggabrielyou can even skip the front end bits by crafting xml config15:25
ggabrielactually, i'm not sure about the latter15:25
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chem|stI rely on future SIP and xmpp...15:26
ggabrieli really want that too15:26
chem|stcurrently I have no mobile msging cause of missing xmpp stuff15:26
coderuschem|st: ?15:26
chem|stcoderus: thought you might want to jump in with more than just a link to the git15:27
ggabrielbut i find the position a bit unrealistic, as in "i'll do something if you do something"15:27
Morpog_PCmaybe cybette can poke the right person inside Jolla?15:27
coderuschem|st: guy asked for a sources used in jolla, so15:27
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chem|stsomeone offering the heavy lifting should be honored with a jolla-response!15:28
chem|stcoderus: he wasn't asking for what is used he was asking for if upstream is used - slightly different... answer would be yes jolla sources upstream if possible15:29
coderuschem|st: i have no idea about state of jolla sources15:30
chem|stand I did not check but iirc that is upstream15:30
coderuschem|st: i sent a link to actual sources used to build pacakge, so he can inspect it15:30
chem|stsure15:31
coderusi see no harm in my answer in ML15:31
coderuswhile no any other answers, mine is best one15:31
chem|stcoderus: I am not jumping you for your answers content - never bad to have more info15:31
coderuswell, then i totally don't understand what you mean :D15:31
chem|stas always ;)15:32
coderussure15:32
chem|styou could have added a sentence....15:32
coderusokay. actually it was a sentence initially15:33
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coderusbut my thunderbird goes mad, and using different smtp settings for this account, and sent email as other sender, and mailing list bounced my email 5 times, and last time i tested sending it contains only "Here: link" in body, and it finally worked :D15:34
ggabrielat least your thunderbird kept the relevant bit of the response15:34
coderuswell, it have cool "Reply to mailing list" button15:35
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Morpog_PCsomeone russian, does it really say what faenil did understand? https://twitter.com/faenil/status/60358544991598182415:38
coderusMorpog_PC: yes, but it does not specify15:43
coderusi said from sailors the same, many other components will be open after 2.015:43
coderusbut it doesn't mean it will be 100% open15:43
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raa700coderus: does mitäkuuluu work with web.wa?16:00
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Morpog_PCnot yet16:06
Morpog_PClater raa70016:06
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coderusraa700: not yet16:09
coderusraa700: first it should learn all basic wa stuff16:09
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raa700sweeet16:11
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chem|stcoderus: lol yeah had that too...17:05
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japa-fiTotal devices 1 FS bytes used 3.16GiB19:25
japa-fidevid    1 size 13.75GiB used 6.13GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p2819:25
japa-fibtrfs fi show result above19:25
japa-fiDone the balance twice19:25
japa-fi3 gigs used, 6 gigs reserved. Is that normal?19:26
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japa-fiThough from now on, I will keep my music and other data on SD card19:27
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chem|stjapa-fi: sounds about right22:44
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