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arvutgood morning sailers!06:34
chriadamhello arvut06:35
* lpotter rows more06:36
birdzhang1morning06:36
tiwakewoo, I just trimmed back my beard06:37
tiwakeso its a coherent style now06:37
arvuttiwake: nothing like a very clean shave after a few cold showers and a terrifyingly hot bath06:37
tiwakeneh, not a clean shave06:37
arvutits so smooooooth06:37
tiwakeinstead of looking like a cross between wolverine and a fluff-a-saurus, its... donno what style it would be called, but its nice06:39
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Yanielfluff-a-saurus eh.. :D07:00
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lainwir3d"#Jolla announces Sailfish Africa - the #SailfishOS mobile ecosystem for Africa. Announcement: http://bit.ly/1AzB2gj ."08:02
ursheh. Just as I moved away from south africa.08:06
* phlixi is not sure whether he likes coop with governments08:07
Stskeepsjust remember that the model is a little different in BRICS countries about how to support things than western world08:08
phlixithats the "not sure" :-)08:09
phlixithat's08:09
phlixisorry :-D08:09
Stskeepsthis is from the russian point of view, "@ IRiazantsev No country and no one company should not be the dominant rights to the "mobile OS # BRICS . " Result- 3-5 years"08:10
Stskeepsie supporting independence08:10
phlixiisnt that a "no" to much?08:10
phlixino one should not be dominant?08:11
ursIn south africa, it is probably more "You give us money, we give you money, everybody smiles for the camera, and after some months the money will magically have vanished"08:11
Stskeepsphlixi: google translate08:12
phlixi:)08:12
phlixinow it makes sense :D08:12
Stskeepsurs: and in europe it's "here's a IT project for tender, let's go 30 times over budget and in the end, scrap the entire thing"..08:14
Stskeepsusually involving government money :)08:15
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birdzhang1i'm compiling golang on jolla08:29
birdzhang1look this:https://github.com/fogleman/nes08:31
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gabriel9|worksometimes my screen becomes unresponsive08:42
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chem|stgabriel9|work: probably swapping09:09
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chem|stphlixi: even though double negative in english is more negative instead of -1*-1=1 it is -1-1=-209:11
chem|stbut you usually do not use that in writing09:12
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ggabrielchem|st: debatable... as you say, you don't use double negative to mean negative in literature or properly prepared speeches. a well spoken person won't use it either. sadly, the latter is the minority though and you usually understand from context. i'd argue tha tin general double negatives shouldn't be used anywhere, except in poetry ;)09:20
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gabriel9|workchem|st and after that part of the screen is unresponsive10:42
temmi_moodoes rap count as poetry?10:42
gabriel9|workjust bottom part10:42
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chem|stkimmoli: bottom part display unresponsive is your domain right?! ;)^^11:23
chem|stgabriel9: I know of issues where people were unable to swipe from bottom or use home-screen-launcher11:24
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chem|sttemmi_moo: little OT here but in general all music with text is poetry11:25
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gabriel9sometimes it fixes itself11:25
gabriel9duno should i reopent this: https://together.jolla.com/question/55359/cant-access-notifications/11:26
kimmolichem|st: my domain?11:27
chem|starea of expertise11:27
chem|stgabriel9: sure, reopen11:27
temmi_mooarea of udp/5311:28
chem|stgabriel9: and maybe make it a wiki and give it a new title11:28
kimmoli1m radius circle around me11:28
chem|stkimmoli: iirc you had that issue so I thought you might have an idea11:29
kimmolino, i did not had that. i know someone who has/had11:29
kimmolimy advice, check with evdev_trace -t and if no input -> contact care11:30
kimmolimce-tools is the package providing evdev_trace11:31
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taaeemSailfish on a YotaPhone http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2015/05/news-sailfish-os-2-will-be-more-open.html Very Nice11:42
Nicd-openness is good :)11:43
politie1rather be able to install it on my tablet11:44
locusfI guess its a classified port though :p11:44
locusfuntil further notice11:44
locusfpolitie1: you could11:44
locusfalready11:45
politie1if its cyanogen capable right?11:45
locusfyep11:45
gabriel9srsly Yota :)11:45
gabriel9just need to get one :)11:45
locusfoh well11:45
politie1yota is only 600 bucks right11:46
locusfif you're willing to port patches to eg. aosp then it might be different11:46
ggabrielonly?11:46
politie1😂11:46
locusfwot lol11:46
Yanielwith yota more open sailfishos will be11:46
gabriel9srsly that expensive?11:46
gabriel9:D11:46
Yanielor something11:46
gabriel9i can buy nice PC for that kind of money11:46
politie1yea11:46
Yanielmany rpi2's11:47
Yanielwhich AFAIK are very open already11:47
dirkvllove they have good contact with yota11:47
dirkvlone of the few non-boring phones11:48
dirkvlhttp://www.theverge.com/2015/5/27/8666861/smartphone-design-stagnation11:48
sakustarinstantly hate that blogspot page, no zoom11:49
sakustarwho makes those ;_;11:49
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sakustararrows from both directions and when i realize my error im already headed for some random stuff i dont want to see11:50
dirkvltl;dr: phone are freaking boring, last awesome phone was the N9, everything since that sucks balls11:52
locusfdirkvl: what about Jolla :)11:52
dirkvlno mentionm11:52
TemeVhardware wise Jolla is quite boring11:53
dirkvly11:53
dirkvlexcept for toh11:53
gabriel9Will we ever see anything as fresh and new as the Nokia N9 again? :)11:54
TemeVyeah, but until you ship my tohkbd that is also quite boring feature :)11:54
dirkvlha true11:54
dirkvlworking on it11:54
dirkvlSOONtm11:54
TemeVok, I've also considered tohiri, but the sensor is so expensive11:54
ggabrielthatyotaphone is a bit low on battery11:54
ggabrielat least the android version11:54
dirkvlyou mean the predatoh11:55
dirkvljust needs laserbeam11:55
Nicd-TOH is boring for regular customers since no 3rd party is making TOHs that actually have features11:55
dirkvl:O11:55
TemeVdirkvl: with the triangle laser thingy, it would be really cool :D11:55
Nicd-by 3rd party I mean a company11:55
Nicd-not hobbyists11:55
ggabrielNicd-: true, but regular customers will be so jealous to see my tohkbd...11:55
ggabrielmy favourite bit will be "where can i get one?" "you can't get one" :P11:56
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Nicd-sadly that's not their favourite bit :P11:57
Nicd-and won't make anyone want a jolla11:57
locusfI hate to comtemplate a new phone but then I always remember the tohkbd :)11:58
pp:-)11:58
politieonly reason i learned about the jolla is the tohkbd11:59
ppI'm suspecting my phone is close to EOL but since I have a tohkbd coming I'll just continue using it or get a new one :-)11:59
ppboth technologically and the fact it has a cracked screen :-) (more the latter)12:00
sakustarare they still making more phones?12:00
sakustaror should we stockpile em if they break before the keyboard does ;)12:00
ggabrielpp: yeah, join the cracked screen club12:00
ggabrielsakustar: you can buy now at shop.jolla.com12:00
ppone for 249e in verkkokauppa!12:01
sakustaryes i can buy now12:01
ggabrielpp: you could get it for 200 ;)12:01
sakustarbut can i buy one in a year or two12:01
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ggabrielsakustar: well, who knows anything about the future? will you be able to buy an iphone in a year or two? probably not12:01
ggabrielbut maybe they survive that long12:02
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politiejust get an iphone12:05
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greenithi, do you have any news when sailfish OS 2.0 releases and if it releases for the Jolla mobilephone too?12:08
ggabrielno news12:08
Nicd-no news when but it will be released for the phone12:08
ggabrieland it will release for the phone12:08
Nicd-the same OS will run in the phone and in the tablet12:08
greenitok, thanks :)12:09
Stskeepshttp://techcrunch.com/2015/05/28/jolla-pushes-brics-partnerships-to-target-android-in-emerging-markets/12:09
taaeemmany videos on youtube showing sailfish 2.0 on phone12:09
ursbut it doesn't really quite seem production ready yet12:09
Stskeepsthose were in MWC12:10
Stskeepsin feb12:10
Stskeeps:P12:10
urslast time I saw it, things were still crashing left and right12:10
Stskeepscode is already ancient :)12:10
Nicd-urs: when was the last time?12:10
ursabout a month ago.12:10
Sail0rGO SailfishOS GO http://www.patentlymobile.com/2015/05/samsung-invents-a-phablet-dock-for-a-next-gen-dual-os-notebook.html12:10
politiethats nice12:11
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Teguso, kind of asus padphone?12:14
Teguah yea, gotta read more12:14
Tegudual-os :P12:14
Sail0rwhich could be one OS with SFOs12:14
Teguyea12:15
taaeemWould be nice so you have Linux on phone as Sailfish OS and then a desktop enviroment as laptop OS...12:17
taaeemReminds me of Canonicals convergence12:18
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greenitis there any geo-caching app for sailfish os?12:19
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Nicd-greenit: c:geo works fine12:22
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greenitNicd-: but that's no native app, or is it? It would've been the app i would install if there was no native app12:23
Nicd-I don't know of any native apps12:26
dirkvlstskeeps: quite a dense article!12:32
Stskeepsdirkvl: bottom's most interesting12:33
dirkvli always find the bottom the most interesting12:33
dirkvl#giggety12:33
dirkvlabout payments?12:34
Stskeepsno, oss12:35
SfietKonstantinWthe part about android forks is nice12:35
SfietKonstantinWinteresting12:35
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TofeYes, and the project overview comes with a "very soon" statement :)12:47
Stskeepsit wouldn't be Jolla if it didn't.12:47
Stskeeps:P12:47
SfietKonstantinWSo ValveBlizzard-ish12:49
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tadzikgreenit: I'm working on one, but only mentally so far :)12:55
greenittadzik: good to know. :)12:56
tadzikAnd c:geo worked so bad for me recently that I switched to the official one12:56
tadzikWhich works okay once you install all the google play services BS12:58
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baumuhm (stupid) question: wich repo do i have to activate to install wget in the merSDK?14:45
ggabrielmer-tools i think14:47
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baumggabriel: thanks14:57
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KabouikFolks, I'm trying to format my µSD using that: https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ because since a factory reset, I noticed that one of my folders in the µSD is not responding. At all. Can't explore it, delete it, either from Jolla or SFTP15:21
KabouikProblem is I can't umount /dev/mmcblk1, it says that this very folder is busy.15:21
KabouikAlien service is stopped15:22
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falfaGood, the flamethrower worked?15:35
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baumKabouik: did you try to force the unmount? "umount -f /dev/mmcblk1"15:47
KabouikI removed the SD card, stopped again the Alien service, and could umount it15:47
KabouikBut a problem persists and I'm trying to find a solution on the Internt just currently...15:47
KabouikI did the format step in the TJC guide, remounted the card, but the wrong folder is still here15:48
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KabouikWhen I "ls *" in /media/sdcard", the folder is listed. If I try to fo into it, or delete it, then I get a "File or directory does not exist"15:48
KabouikEven "ls -l" says the dir does not exist, yet it lists it just after this warning... And the permissions are like: "d????? ?? ? ?? ??"15:49
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panda__hello folks16:27
SfietKonstantinWso, google IO today16:27
SfietKonstantinWlast year was disappointing though16:27
Sail0rDon't be evil16:28
panda__by chance anyone is aware of a tutorial on installing cmake in the merSDK?16:28
r0kk3rzwell lollipop was the big ticket item16:28
SfietKonstantinWpanda__: rather easy if you know how to ssh in your merSDK16:29
SfietKonstantinWor easier: go on the vm of merSDK16:29
panda__SfietKonstantinW, i already sshed into it, the question is what now?16:29
SfietKonstantinWwell, maybe ssh is better: ssh into your merSDK (not emulator)16:29
SfietKonstantinWpanda__: as root ?16:29
panda__yes16:29
SfietKonstantinWpkcon install cmake :)16:29
panda__SfietKonstantinW, -bash: pkcon: command not found16:30
SfietKonstantinWzypper in cmake16:30
SfietKonstantinWyou can also use the mersdk panel of your qtcreator16:30
panda__zypper in cmake - means?16:31
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SfietKonstantinWpanda__: run "zypper install cmake"16:31
r0kk3rzzypper (package manager) in (install) cmake (name of package16:31
panda__SfietKonstantinW, r0kk3rz, thanks - that did the trick16:33
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panda__which repo does zypper use?16:37
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Sail0rzypper lr16:38
Sail0rzypper lr (list repos)16:38
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panda__Sail0r, thanks16:42
Sail0rnp16:42
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fluxman, I moved the microsd to a PC for transferring some media to the Jolla, and it's great how fast it can be :-). usually I just rsync it in..18:45
fluxwhat is the best speed achievable without doing that? it's now doing ~20M/s18:45
Yanielwith rsync I usually get around 10-15M/s over wlan18:46
Yanielbut my card is specced for 60M/s or so18:46
YanielIIRC18:47
fluxI suppose I should upgrade my ol' faithful wrt54gl then :)18:47
fluxlocal cache also helps a lot when just cding to directories and copying stuff.. rsync says now 58M/s for a 2GB copy, but I'm betting it's still doing it18:49
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r0kk3rzjolla's getting some pretty decent press out of this whole russia thing19:19
r0kk3rzalthough the revenue sharing with ecommerce vendors is an interesting model19:19
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r0kk3rzbut a logical next step from taking a cut from app sales and in-app purchases i suppose19:22
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