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birdzhang1hello07:33
birdzhang1i have a question07:34
birdzhang1my application can only run on console model and sdk model07:34
birdzhang1when i open it by click the desktop icon , it stuck and exit07:34
birdzhang1how to debug or fix it07:35
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coderusbirdzhang1: check your desktop file and main cpp file07:49
coderusor maybe your phone just need a reboot07:49
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birdzhang1coderus:thanks,jolla just need a reboot ;)08:02
birdzhang1WTF08:03
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kimmolipropably your app crashed and process zombied, if it happens again, check with ps08:15
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birdzhang1kimmoli: it runs Ok now ,just need a reboot :cryingjoy:08:23
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Sail0rdoes the Jolla kernel have problems with the leap second?08:43
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Jopetime to code a little leap second visualizer tool and set the time to a bit before a leap second happens, then observe ;-)08:48
Sail0rhehe08:49
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birdzhang1hehe? are you from China? ;)08:54
SfietKonstantinWbirdzhang1: hello :)08:55
birdzhang1hellp08:55
birdzhang1hello08:55
stephghey SfietKonstantinW which continent are you in today ;)08:56
SfietKonstantinWfrance now :)08:56
SfietKonstantinWbirdzhang1: are you in china now ?08:56
SfietKonstantinWit is really early for you08:56
birdzhang1yes08:56
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coderusSfietKonstantinW: why? china is on the different side. early for france, but evening in china :D08:58
birdzhang1:cryingjoy:08:58
birdzhang1it's 5:00 pm09:00
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SfietKonstantinWarf09:00
SfietKonstantinWI have done in the other way round09:00
SfietKonstantinWforgot that it is later in china09:00
SfietKonstantinWwhen I was in china in the morning, everybody was sleeping here09:01
birdzhang1You been to China?09:02
SfietKonstantinWbirdzhang1: yep, last 3 weeks :)09:02
birdzhang1which city09:02
* Stskeeps has been to china on a couple of occasions09:02
SfietKonstantinWI do speak chinese09:02
SfietKonstantinWBeijing09:02
birdzhang1wow09:02
coderusSfietKonstantinW: hangover occasions? :D09:03
coderusoh09:03
coderusStskeeps i mean :D09:03
birdzhang1it's awesome09:03
Stskeepscoderus: i don't think i've been hungover in china so far09:03
Stskeepsjust a bit of food poisoning at one point09:04
birdzhang1:)09:04
SfietKonstantinW:)09:04
SfietKonstantinWah, food poisoning ...09:04
SfietKonstantinWbirdzhang1: Me and gf had like the only pair of jollas around09:04
SfietKonstantinWin a sea of iPhone 6(+), and Xiaomi-samsung-huawei-lenovo androids09:05
birdzhang1yes... :(09:05
birdzhang1about only 200 people use jolla09:06
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birdzhang1jolla has not yet landed in China09:08
birdzhang1just Hongkong :)09:08
SfietKonstantinWi wonder how jolla can work in china though09:09
birdzhang1:(09:09
birdzhang1in china , we mostly used apps are wechat,QQ,weibo,taobao,etc...09:10
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birdzhang1only weibo open it's api09:11
birdzhang1i feel sad :(09:11
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birdzhang1also sad for GFW... a firewall to filter sites,like google,facebook,twtter ... :(09:20
Stskeepson the plus side, no life dependency on google09:23
Stskeeps:P09:23
TMavicaJolla have sold in China in Taobao09:24
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birdzhang1yeah09:25
birdzhang1but few people know  who is Jolla09:27
TMavicaThere is some china forum of Jolla09:29
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birdzhang1the most popular is jolla tieba09:30
TMavicaYa09:32
TMavica I have read it09:32
birdzhang1wow09:33
TMavicaI am waiting battery sell09:38
ggabrieli'm curious (from an academic pov) as to what is stopping jolla from selling batteries constantly. batch size too big to risk stocking? admin overhead?09:40
TMavicabirdzhang1: i saw ur name there09:41
birdzhang1TMavica: you also from China ?09:42
TMavicaNo09:43
TMavicaHong Kong09:43
birdzhang1yeah,i alway publish my app to jolla tieba09:43
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birdzhang1:)09:43
TMavicaI saw yours apps, but no use for me09:44
TMavicaI have used tieba09:44
birdzhang1yes,i write apps for me ,haha09:45
TMavicaI heard there is battery selling before, but until now, no any news of it09:46
ggabrielTMavica: there was a battery sale09:46
ggabrielit sold out09:46
TMavicaAlso can buy stella TOH without buying whole device09:46
TMavicaggabriel: i mean in taobao, not from shop Jolla09:46
ggabrielTMavica: i didn't know that you could sell official batteries if they didn't come from the jolla store09:47
ggabrielfwiw, at least one person makes his own batteries, that's always possible :)09:47
TMavicaChina can do that possible, LOL09:48
ggabrielTMavica: clearly not :)09:48
TMavicaMay not09:49
birdzhang1We have an ability called "Shanzhai",lol09:49
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ggabrielto clarify: there aren't any batteries available from china, so not09:49
ggabrielsimilar case with replacement screen09:50
ggabrieli guess china will do whatever yields enough money09:50
ggabrieland you can replace china with any other country really09:50
ggabrielthis is why i'm curious as to what the challenges with selling batteries are09:50
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TMavicaI heard the Jolla device sell in taobao is officially, but why Jolla dont have any announcement?09:52
ggabrielhumility? :)09:55
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birdzhang1june is comming09:57
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birdzhang1sailfish os 2.0 may better09:58
Morpog_workwhile we wait for 1.1.5.x it's interesting to see that 1.1.6 and even 1.1.7 is already branched09:58
chem|stMorpog_work: branching is 2 months before a release09:59
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birdzhang1lol10:00
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ppcould be some special shipping issues with batteries (vs. plastic covers)10:23
ppand the fact they're probably more expensive to manufacture10:23
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greenithi, i found this thread regarding the random reboots and shutdowns: https://together.jolla.com/question/37480/wiki-battery-random-reboots-shutdowns-cause-impedance-problem-and-solution/   however, _where_ exactly do i have to put the paper/whatever ? with "bottom" i assume the opposite site of the contacts. and probably exactly on the same place as the contacts are?10:28
kimmoliopposite edge of contacts10:29
kimmoliso, assumed correctly10:30
greenitok, and on the same place (well, but other edge) as the contacts are?10:30
ppyep, wonder if there's a picture of the official fix10:32
ppsmall piece of black tape10:32
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TemeVgreenit: the point is to have the battery more tightly against the contacts, I think you can guess where the paper acchieves that goal best :)10:33
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ppthere's the "hole" under the battery, 5mm wide piece of black tape starting 3mm left of the hole :P10:33
ppanything approximating that will do the trick10:33
pp(and clean the contacts with a suitable substance while you're at it)10:34
greenitkimmoli: pp TemeV thanks for the help :)10:36
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Joonaai find this a bit hard to believe, but i think the speaker on my jolla died..10:50
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kimmoliJoonaa: speaker is connected with pogopins, so propably connection issues. workaround for me was playing music (sexpistols worked) and squeezing phone lower end.10:54
kimmolibut it re-appeared in few weeks, had to get it replaced in service10:55
Joonaaokay, let me test that10:55
Joonaawow it actually did work10:56
Joonaawell, ill contact support either way10:56
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birdzhang1off work :)11:04
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Nicd-anyone else's aptoide broken?12:05
Nicd-it always says "sdcard full" when I start it. but afaik my disks or btrfs aren12:06
Nicd-aren't full*12:06
ggabrielNicd-: mine starts ok12:06
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Nicd-gettings tons of: alien.sh: ... E ImageLoader: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /home/nemo/android_storage/.aptoide/.../...png.tmp: open failed: EACCES (Permission denied)12:13
Nicd-when I start aptoide12:13
TemeVrestart alien dalvik maybe?12:15
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Nicd-no change12:17
ggabrielcan't tell what my perms are in that directory atm i'm afraid :(12:17
Nicd-mine are 'root nemo rwxrwxr-x' for everything12:17
Nicd-maybe I'll just delete the directory12:17
ggabrielor move it ;)12:18
Nicd-yeah12:18
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Nicd-nope :(12:20
Nicd-started but couldn't download. restarted and now it says "No memory. You don't have enough space on your SDcard." again12:20
TemeVOther android apps still work?12:21
ggabrieldownload an application you mean?12:21
Nicd-ggabriel: download or update an app from aptoide12:22
Nicd-c:geo works just fine12:22
ggabrielfwiw, i haven't tried that12:22
Nicd-so does my culture/lunch payment card app12:22
TemeVlet's see I'll try updating a couple of apps12:23
TemeVHere was updated nicely from aptoide12:24
TemeVAnd telegram also12:25
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Joonaawow, dark patterns, jolla gives me the connect to internet popup when i try to close a program, so i end up enabling mobile data12:37
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fluxI generated a VCF file from the contact info at job, with pictures, and People is taking its sweet time for importing it - only 500kB file, though13:08
fluxand it's not consuming _any_ CPU13:09
fluxbroken?13:09
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fluxdoes the same for a file with just one entry..13:12
coderusflux:for me it freezing sometimes13:12
coderusi need to kill process and try again and again until success :D13:13
fluxwhich process?13:13
fluxI replaced it with a version that doesn't come with a picture and it still just stalls13:13
flux..of course it doesn't come with export so I could see what is Jolla's view on the format :)13:14
fluxdoes anyone have an example of a VCF that Jolla has accepted?13:14
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fluxok, it accepted one after I killed jolla-contacts :)13:18
fluxthis time it atleast start to consume CPU for the whole batch :)13:18
fluxcool, it worked! thanks coderus :)13:18
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fluxalso the code I used encoded the names with ISO-8859-15 (and indicated so in the produced data), it seems the Jolla import failed to take note.. somehow the "ä"s are gone.13:23
YanielI had no problems exporting contacts from osx addressbook to my jolla13:25
Yanielit probably used utf-8 though13:26
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fluxI think I used that script at 2010, so for N9 I guess, which apparently didn't work with utf-813:47
fluxbut I guess now I would need to remove that converting etc..13:48
Yanieljust run the vcf through iconv13:48
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fluxyes, but I imported already13:50
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fluxyaniel, also it's not enough, it actually tells the character set in the name fields..13:51
fluxbut it would be simple to fix13:51
ggabrielflux: delete and start again? :P13:51
fluxdelete all contacts?13:51
ggabrielyeah13:52
ggabrielboom13:52
fluxI have other contacts there that don't come from the vcf :)13:52
ggabrieloh, so that's a problem then13:52
SfietKonstantinWflux: export to vcf and then run some script to sanitize everyhting13:52
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fluxsfietkonstantinw, ..it has vcf export?13:52
ggabrielyeah13:53
fluxthe solution is to just fix the few names with missing äs13:53
fluxyes, manually, I know it sounds boring.. ;)13:53
ggabrieljust have the machine do it for you13:53
ggabriel...while you can13:53
SfietKonstantinWvcardimporter can export too13:54
SfietKonstantinWdespite the name :P13:54
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locusfvcardconverter14:14
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krnlyngwhere does sailfish browser store the history? and where does the notes app store notes? my browser doesn't show any history and my notes app cannot create new notes :|16:30
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coderuskrnlyng: browser keeping stuff in ~/.mozilla/mozembed16:32
coderusand no idea about notes :(16:32
krnlyngcoderus: thanks16:32
Accekrnlyng: .local/share/jolla-notes/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/*.sqlite16:34
Accefor notes16:34
krnlyngthanks16:35
r0kk3rzprobably worth doing a btrfs balance before looking too deeply at anything else16:36
the_mgthooray for btrfs16:37
krnlyngi think i ran that a while ago but it didn't balance much, i am gonna try again16:37
r0kk3rzmay not be btrfs16:38
r0kk3rzbut its an easy thing to check16:38
the_mgtI rather seldomly look into this chat windows, but in 80% of all cases, somebody talks about balancing btrfs16:38
r0kk3rzits the 'turn it off and on again' of the jolla16:38
r0kk3rzthat and 'clean the battery contacts'16:38
krnlyng:) yeah i have the clean the battery contacts problem too16:39
the_mgtI did none of the above yet16:39
the_mgtbut I have a sticky note wrenched firmly between case and battery16:39
krnlyngand i also put paper below it just to be sure16:39
r0kk3rzthe_mgt: well now the jolla does the btrfs thing for you16:39
the_mgtr0kk3rz: yeah, read about that16:40
krnlyngthe_mgt: i think your supposed to put it below the battery so its slightly pushed up (eg on the opposite side of the contacts)16:43
the_mgtkrnlyng: yep, did that a while ago16:44
krnlyngokay then i misinterpreted what you said :D16:45
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the_mgtkrnlyng: my description was rather bad16:50
the_mgtthe sticky note is wrapped, origami style. and it is a sticky note, because it doesnt move around when you reattach the battery16:51
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