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tadzikNot stilk, but now I am :)00:46
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birdzhangmorning08:55
birdzhangto be honest, it's afternoon at my timezone08:58
birdzhang:)08:58
coderus:O08:58
coderusaustralian?08:58
Stskeepshttp://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html08:58
Stskeeps:P08:58
Liekeit's morning when i wake up08:59
Tofeno, it's morning when you enter the chan :)09:01
Liekebut i never leave the chan09:01
TofeAh. That's a problem for sure.09:02
tiwaketwo hours into morning09:02
tiwakeStskeeps: wait, what happens when someone is IRCing correctly and never leaves?09:03
Stskeepsstill saying morning09:03
Stskeeps:P09:03
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tiwakealso, I typically define morning as about 4-5am and late night as 1-2am... the time inbetween is the time of which neither yesterday, today, nor tomorrow exists09:05
tiwakethat is also the perfect time to work on creative programming09:05
birdzhangchina09:05
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birdzhanghttps://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/09:10
birdzhangIntel support for Android runtime along with upgrade to version 4.4.4 – beta version09:11
birdzhangslow...09:12
Nicd-well alien dalvik is not made by jolla09:15
birdzhangalien dalvik is not open source09:15
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birdzhangi think ,open it will be better09:16
Nicd-well go tell that to myriad :P09:19
Venemogood morning :)09:20
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chem|stbirdzhang: that is what they said about netscape too....09:22
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birdzhang:D09:25
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Laxtlohi10:53
Laxtloany rumours about jolla tablet ?10:53
Laxtloare they released in time...end of july10:54
dirkvly10:54
dirkvlstated everywhere by themself10:54
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ggabriel31st july10:58
ggabrieli have a countdown10:58
birdzhang:(10:58
birdzhangand salifish 2.0?10:58
ggabrielsame10:58
Laxtlolong time to wait10:59
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ggabrielyou can do outdoor activities while you wait :)10:59
Laxtlodoing all the time playing frisbee golf11:01
Laxtlotoo bad that there is no good app for sailfish11:02
Temewhere is Jolla Phone 2... i don't want to buy an android device :'(11:02
Laxtlofrishbee golf app i mean :)11:02
ggabrielTeme: i have a bad feeling about that one sadly11:02
politieget a nexus and install sailfish?11:03
ggabrielpolitie: no maps is pretty much a dealbreaker11:03
Laxtloother company will released sailfish phone before vacations11:03
Temepolitie: rather then oneplusone less money11:03
Laxtlomy guess is oppo11:03
politieyea ok11:03
politieno maps on nexus?11:03
ggabrielwell, no11:03
ggabrielno maps and no android11:03
ggabrielaltho i don't care about android11:03
politieoh11:04
politiewell can be handy11:04
politieandroid11:04
ggabrielyeah11:04
ggabrielbut no dealbreaker11:04
ggabrielnot that i'd give google money and buy a nexus :)11:04
politiehaha true11:04
politiemy jolla works fine though11:05
Laxtlome either dont want android phone11:05
Temepolitie: only problem for me currently is amount of memory and OOM killer11:06
Laxtloand big No to apple also11:06
Laxtloyes same thing for me11:06
Laxtlobetter hardware is needed11:06
politieits a bit outdated yea11:07
Laxtlosaarnio promise that before holidays somebody will release sailfish phone11:07
ggabrielno11:07
ggabrielhe said that before the summer holidays an announcement will be made11:07
ggabrielwhich is too different to releasing a phone11:07
ggabriel1 or 2 years difference actually11:07
ggabrieljust to set expectations11:07
politiewould suck if a new phone couldnt use old other halfs11:08
Laxtlothats true11:08
Laxtlowell then i have to buy one to one11:08
ppwell, the OS is there and if it's generic android hardware it's a matter of some grunt work to get it running well with all of it11:08
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ggabrieli don't underestimate the hw adaptation work11:09
ggabrielat least it takes smarter people than me a lot of time11:09
Laxtloi guess i should buy it straight away11:09
Temei actually went to their site just now, they have some flash sale campaign and it's sold out11:09
Laxtloi went there yesterday11:10
Laxtlo64bit was available11:10
Teme64gb but whatever :D11:10
SQUelcherI'm still waiting for the next 50.- discount voucher to buy another jolla phone ;)11:11
Laxtloshit bot are sould out now11:11
Laxtloboth*11:11
politiei see it was reduced in price11:13
politiewasnt the thing 5-600 bucks11:14
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Temehmm, i don't have data but i think it's always been less than 400€11:19
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Temehence the flagship killer, pretty much the only competitive advantage for them is the price point11:19
Tememany people don't care about cyanogenmod or whatever it's running nowadays (i thought it was cyanogen but it's their own fork actually)11:20
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politieyea it was going to be cyanogen first11:29
politiei believe11:29
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Laxtlojees12:18
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TaaemA 1+1 with Sailfish would be soo great12:24
TaaemBtw flash sale is on12:24
ggabrielassuming it works12:24
ggabriela phone isn't only cpu+ram12:24
ggabrielsamsung still can't make a phone that you can use for calling somebody or receiving a call with quality12:25
ggabrielsadly, apple has made considerable progress on the field, almost as good as nokia12:25
politiesamsung and apple are both crap12:27
ggabrielno, apple's call quality is at another level in comparison to samsung12:29
wysiwtfdepends on the rom used id say12:30
wysiwtfits not that the speaker or mic in all samsug phones are shit12:31
TaaemApple makes good phones but far to expensive and iOS is too closed12:31
ggabrielI haven't found an exception yet "oh, man, what's wrong? is anybody murdering you?" "no, I  bought a samsung phone!" "ah, ok"12:31
Temehmm, sadly the news today prompted me to get the oneplusone12:37
Temewant to sell: First One Jolla12:37
Stskeepswhat news?12:37
Nicd-what news?12:37
Temeno Jolla 212:37
Temeat least that's what i read12:37
SfietKonstantinWTeme: where ?12:37
Stskeepsdidn't we always say that next device would be a partner device instead?12:38
Nicd-well they kinda said it indirectly12:38
Temehttp://www.kauppalehti.fi/uutiset/jollan-myyntiarviot-menivat-rankasti-metsaan/rxqTMprG here in finnish, but that's just my own interpretation12:38
TemeStskeeps: never saw anything regarding that12:38
Nicd-"The figures went heavily into the woods." <3 google translate12:39
Temebut i kinda had decided to switch already when the tablet was released12:39
tadzikWas there ever anything about Jolla2 mentioned anywhere?12:39
Temetadzik: not so that it caught my eye anyway12:39
tadzikOther than speculations on top of speculations12:39
tadzikTeme: then why did you assume it until today?12:40
Temewell the tablet was announced out of the woods too12:40
Temewas keeping up hopes that a new phone would be too12:40
TaaemUbuntu touch has already 3 devices O.o12:42
Stskeepsanyway, some might argue that it's better a partner than jolla producing it :p12:43
TaaemI'm wondering how updates are going with partners will it be like with android?12:43
politieanyone tried ubuntu phone yet?12:44
StskeepsTaaem: nah.. we are hw independent in that regard12:44
TaaemStskeeps: you're making an update and all sailfish phones will get it?12:45
StskeepsTaaem: at least that's the idea, sailfishos in it's own is hw adaptation independent12:45
Stskeepswe plan same for tablet12:45
TaaemGood I need to get sailfish device I think :D12:49
Laxtlohopefully we get the tablet before jolla is bandkrupt :)12:50
Stskeepsit's june, if we had not so good results last year, we're doing pretty good no12:50
Stskeepsw12:50
Stskeeps:P12:50
Stskeepssince we're not dead12:50
ppwell, cash infusion :P12:50
Laxtloi guess they have more money than ever if russian fund jolla ? ;)12:51
tadzikWhile you're all paying attention, can we all upvote “change default browser” to the front page on tjc? :P12:52
chem|sttadzik: get lost12:52
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tadzikWhy so rude12:53
chem|stpissed about my latex template...12:53
TaaemIs the European Union supporting jolla? Isn't it that they also want more independence12:54
tadzikFair enough12:54
chem|stTaaem: driving force in EU is Germany, Merkel sucks Obama every other month though12:54
chem|sttadzik: nothing personal ;)12:54
tadzikNo offence taken :)12:54
pp7.7M of finnish taxpayer money, it seems O:)12:55
chem|stas Jolla is still not offering me a job I need to get my CV in order... but I am so not into latex atm that I struggle with my own code from 8 years ago...12:56
Taaemchem|st : german here :D but sad that it seems like that sometimes12:56
chem|stso I gave up and just use moderncs12:56
chem|stTaaem: sometimes? well if sometimes is when I listen to news on the radio... then yes sometimes12:57
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chem|stfor >2 years now they are lying to everybody, including the other countries in the EU, before I ever vote for conservatives I cut of a leg instead12:58
chem|stand now my ssh connection died again, bad day, time to get another 4 days off...13:00
TaaemWhere you say ssh anything new in terms of sailfish secure?13:01
locusfits been kinda quiet after mwc on that13:02
chem|stwhat does ssh have to do with sfoss? what are you looking for?13:02
locusfchem|st: ssh corporation te13:03
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locusfteaming up with Jolla13:03
TaaemTheir a partner for sailfish secure AFAIK13:03
chem|stlocusf: well what is it actually? encrypted calls texts device encryption13:03
chem|stlocusf: lol yeah the name of the company, I did not think that far ;)13:03
Stskeepschem|st: we very rarely headhunt13:03
ppthese guys seem to be doing something with jolla too: https://twitter.com/trevocltd13:04
locusfhahahha trevoc13:04
pp(and having some fun publicity due to a high-profile court case ;) )13:04
locusfchem|st: I don't know, ask Jolla :)13:05
ppre secure, start with these and continue from there: https://www.commoncriteriaportal.org/files/ppfiles/PP_MD_V1.0.pdf13:05
chem|stStskeeps: I could apply as skipper though13:06
tadzikSometimes when aliendalvik hangs icons in opera change colours o_O13:06
Stskeepschem|st: mm, not really a position we put up (it's a special title in jolla, not == a chief)13:06
locusfwasn't there some guy on twitter on end-to-end encryption calls, wonder if its some sort of teaser13:07
chem|stStskeeps: no **O position for me then, what about a nautical skipper?13:08
tadzikHow about a spikker? :P13:08
pplocusf: this guy (CEO of trevoc, apparently): https://twitter.com/PasiPatama ?13:08
Stskeepsah13:08
locusfpp: yes13:08
Stskeepsthat makes sense13:09
chem|stStskeeps: I have an ICC though if you ever need one for a teambuilding week13:10
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Laxtlohttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2015/06/news-new-sailfish-os-phone-manufacturer.html?m=113:40
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baumis there a way to disable the "double-tab" function to unlock the screen?13:48
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baumi recently noticed that my phone tends to call random people if i sweat13:48
ggabrielis your proximty sensor working?13:49
baumggabriel: how can i test that?13:49
Temei turned off my phone by accident today in my pocket13:49
Temedunno if proximity sensor should stop that or not13:49
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ggabrielbaum: csd tool i guess it was named?13:50
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baumggabriel: thanks, it seems to work13:55
ggabrielok, strange that you can double tap it in a pocket then13:55
ggabrielalthough certain pockets don't trigger the sensor in my experience13:55
Tememy sensor seems to be working but doesn't seem to prevent turning off the device13:56
Temewhich is probably intended, but on first though a bit weird13:56
baumwell i tend to have big pockets, maybe the sensor doesn't trigger due to that13:56
baumleaves the question: is there a way to disable the functionality or not?13:56
ggabrielthat last one i woultn'd know13:57
baumhum, alright, thanks anyways :)13:58
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tadzikAutomatic locking may be a workaround14:05
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tadzikLaxtlo: interesting, thanks14:12
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Laxtlo:)14:16
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fluxI've even pocket-PUK-locked my phone once, though not too many times so I was able to recover14:17
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fluxbut that was long time ago.14:17
parasemicanyone wouldn't happen to have another jolla battery lying around? i managed to ... uhm .. lose mine14:18
flux..how does that happen?-)14:18
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parasemicdont ask questions you really deep down don't want an aswer to14:18
parasemic:D14:18
parasemicanswer*14:18
fluxit's nice how Jolla provided the batteries for sale for like a few hours.14:18
parasemicyeah14:18
ggabrielwell, it was stock bound14:19
parasemici was like "no biggie, ill just grab another" just to find out theres not a single piece anywhere14:19
ggabrielpossibly based on votes in tjc14:19
ggabrielmaybe somebody can make one for you14:19
fluxso they are being super-optimal about the stock14:19
parasemicmade me seriously surprised, even the official repair place wont sell me one even though they obviously have them14:19
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ggabrieli've been wondering what is so costly of keeping a stock or allowing to preorder them14:20
fluxthe strategy obviously is that you need to buy a new Jolla :P14:20
parasemicbtw what was the current estimated shipping date for the tablet, anyone remember?14:20
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ggabriel31 july14:20
parasemicif nothing else, ill just grab a used phone somewhere for 100ish euro14:20
parasemicty14:20
Aciiddoes jolla sell b-stocks14:21
parasemicseems hilarious and honestly really dissapointing to find out you cant get a replacement battery for a phone that was advertised with "user replaceable battery"14:22
fluxyou can have two jollas and swap the batteries between them14:22
parasemicconvenient ^^14:23
lainwir3dlol14:23
ggabrielparasemic: blame google, that's what i do14:23
parasemicwhat has google done+14:23
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narchiecan I buy another jolla tablet14:23
fluxwish Jolla folks would have just picked some battery that's readily available. I guess it wouldn't have fit the design.14:23
ggabrielallowed a market of dirt cheap phones so a small company like jolla can't compete14:23
narchiein case my tablet battery breaks14:23
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narchieoh but wheres the first one14:24
narchienah, I think I'll blame jolla14:24
ggabrielnah, blame google14:24
parasemicyeah ill blame jolla too14:24
ggabrielit's easier14:24
ggabrielalso, they're evil14:24
ggabrielthey even said that14:24
parasemicthough they replied that they "try to find out some other way to help me" apart from selling me another battery14:24
parasemicbut im not holding my breath14:24
Aciidi submitted user replacable battery issue to alone.jolla.com no answer14:25
parasemicalone.jolla.com ... ok that was funny xd14:25
baumparasemic: incase you can't get an official one you might want to check out something like that: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.co.at/2014/12/this-spare-battery-fits-into-jolla-phone.html14:25
narchieparasemic: did you try sending to optima for certified duct tape repair service?14:25
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parasemicbaum, thanks but read that already and i love my jolla but not enough to risk it exploding in the worst case scen ^^14:26
baumparasemic: well, might be worth a try before buying a new phone....:)14:27
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ggabrielparasemic: actually, if you don't love your jolla enoguh, you can try that battery ;)14:27
parasemicnarchie what do you mean? i even went there (its called mobylife now) and they couldn't help me as im missing the original battery14:27
parasemicif it was broken or something i doubt there was any issue14:27
narchieoh nevermind14:28
parasemicwell, you do realize second biggest blood veins in human body are at the groin, right where i keep the phone in my pocket ^^14:28
narchiethought it was just the stock error14:28
* baum is quite surprised that you can't get a replacement battery from jolla14:28
* baum would have expected a better support...=/14:28
parasemicim implicating its a certain death in a scenario of actual batttery explosion14:28
parasemici love the phone, but not to die over it :/14:29
ggabrielright, and no, you won't die14:29
ggabrielbaum: it's google's fault14:29
baumggabriel: how that?14:29
parasemiccause google is evil, dug?14:29
parasemicduh*14:29
ggabriel15:23 < ggabriel> allowed a market of dirt cheap phones so a small company like  jolla can't compete14:29
ggabrielalso, they're evil according to them14:30
baumwell in this case we could also blame it on the windows phones :P14:30
parasemicdamn i wish the sailfish port for 1+1 would get better, so i could just happily get the best price/performance/quality -ratio phone on the market and install sailfish14:30
ggabrielof course14:30
parasemicbut i need the ability to call, and camera is nice too14:30
ggabrielparasemic: but is it a good phone?14:31
SQUelcherparasemic: are you keeping you keeping your phone in your pocket while charging? ;)14:31
parasemicso ive heard14:31
ggabrielor j ust good specs on a website?14:31
parasemicjolla quite honestly isnt a great phone, not even great, in terms of hardware14:31
parasemica few of my friends have 1+1 and its excellent14:31
ggabrielit's much better than equivalent and even allegedly faster android phones14:31
baumparasemic: yep - i'm realy missing an ethernet port on my jolla.....should be standard by now14:31
ggabrielcall wise, the jolla >> latest sammy galaxy and whatnot14:32
ggabrielcall quality*14:32
parasemicone thing really confuses me, that am i really the ONLY ONE who absolutely hates the word prediction bar in jolla keyboard?? ive literally never had a single correct prediction out of it, and it just takes up the space needlessly14:33
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* baum didn't even realize that something like a prediction bar existed yet....14:33
ggabrielparasemic: it works for me...14:33
parasemicoverall the typing experience seems subpar, imo. the finnish keyboard seems a bit strange in terms of layout and size of some buttons, etc14:33
ggabrieldo you write in english?14:34
parasemicenglish and finnish14:34
parasemicmostly finnish14:34
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parasemiclike, it may get the right word at times but then im just 1-2 letters away from it anyway and it would just slow me down14:34
ggabrielparasemic: ok, works well with english anyway14:34
ggabrieleven spanish, but english is best14:34
parasemicwhat im saying is that i want an option to remove it. dazzles me that you cant14:34
ggabrieledga case imo14:35
parasemicanyway, guess ill hold off from buying a used jolla for battery, or a 1+1 until they reply me with their "another way of helping me"14:36
ggabrielthey're normally quick replyihng14:37
ggabrieli liked the options they gave me wrt broken screen14:37
parasemichow'd that work out?14:37
ggabrielso far, i'm keeping the phone with the broken screen14:37
ggabrielelse i have the option to get a new phone for 200e14:38
ggabrieland i can keep the other half and battery, but i have to hand over the broken phone14:38
ggabrielor they can fix it in the future for 120e14:38
parasemicim gonna laugh my lungs out if they offer me to buy another phone to replace the battery or something ^^14:38
parasemicbut seems reasonable in your situation14:38
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ggabrielyeah, the screen is too expensive14:39
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parasemicim hoping they would order the repair place to sell one of their stock batteries for me, under the counter14:42
ggabrieldo you actually lost the battery or broke it so that it won't work any more?14:43
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ggabriels/^do/did/14:43
ggabrielbleah, and verbs in infinitive, you know what i mean14:44
baumparasemic: alright - a new jolla costs arround 200 bucks right? i'll sell you my battery for 150 :P14:44
Wntthere is a spare battery for you http://www.huuto.net/kohteet/jolla-puhelin/36495798014:44
parasemicyeah, but id hate to buy something like that just out of principle14:45
parasemicim polluting the earth enough as is14:46
ggabrielyou aren't - google is14:46
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ggabrielso don't worry too much14:46
parasemicno, the chinese are14:46
ggabrielsame difference14:46
parasemici like to blame the chinese14:47
parasemicthey may even be the real people in fault of my non-existant replacement battery14:47
parasemiclike, not producing the batteries in reasonable quantities14:47
baumwhy would a supplyer not produce his batteries in reasonable quantities?14:48
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parasemicwell, say if their mininum order is 10,000 units14:48
bauma supplyer will supply batterys as long as he gets payed for it14:48
parasemicso jolla cant order them as only a fracture would be sold14:48
ggabrielbaum: probably not that simple, but i do wonder the same thing14:48
parasemica lot of chinese factories have mininum orders, as do all factories infact14:49
baumparasemic: means they have to buy smaller quantitys for a higher price14:49
baumgoing by your logic noone could by prototyping pcbs14:49
parasemicit may be too expensive to start the production to even concider selling under 1000 units, or the price would be more than the actual phone14:49
parasemicwell prototype costs are included into the final product14:50
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parasemici mean, when ordering anything from chinese the costly thing for them isn't the production itself but setting up the factory "lines" for that product. so the first order has to be worthwile and demand needs to stay good enough for them to hold onto producing them14:51
parasemicim pretty certain jolla cant meet the demand they could require for such a part like a battery14:51
parasemicwish they could have just used some standard battery like everyone else ... -.-'14:51
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parasemictaken ive not heard anyone say their jollas battery needed replacing, the overall amount of replacement batteries they need for say a year could be under 100 units. they likely got those with the initial order, so if they sold them away they would be fucked incase anyone needed warranty replacement14:53
ggabrielparasemic: standard battery? lol14:53
ggabrielthere is no such thing14:53
baumparasemic: i don't think so - i already ordered a 12 pices pcb batch from china, the quantity wasn't a problem at all - the price was simply a bit higher14:53
baumpretty sure it's the same thing with batterys14:54
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ggabrieli think it's significantly different14:54
ggabrielmaybe somebody with chemistry background can fill in14:54
parasemicid think a battery is way more complicated of a product than just some pcb14:54
ggabrielwhat are the industrial constraints of manufacturing lipo batteries14:54
lainwir3di don't think so, i think it's pretty much standard nowadays14:55
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lainwir3djust the mechanical layout of the battery change for most of them14:55
parasemiceither way, a custom pcb doesn't really require much of any change in the overall factory lining, especially if the factory is specialiced in providing custom pcbs for cheap price14:56
parasemicyou practically bought their standard item, even if its custom14:56
baumplus - jolla does actually have their batterys - means they managed to get them produced14:56
baumthey just decided not to sell them14:56
parasemicbut say a factory normally creates only samsung batteries, they need to change a LOT of stuff to create a batch of jolla battery14:56
parasemicim guessing they had one big batch, but cant sell them because getting more would be too expensive for the reasons ive stated14:57
fluxso they have decided to minimize the risk involved in producing batteries nobody will buy. though they still have the risk of producing phones with batteries nobody might buy.14:57
parasemicand while there is no "standard battery", there sure as hell are batteries that are constantly being produced by chinese factories, are cheap as such and can be ordered even in smaller (1000 units or so) batches15:00
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parasemicusing such when designin a "niche" smartphone would be much wiser15:00
ggabrielthere mkust be a place where you can go and say "copy this battery" and they make you one15:01
fluxparasemic, well, they imagined maybe tenfold sales numbers..15:01
parasemictenfold would still be niche in terms of overall market15:01
parasemici say jolla has succeeded by not going bankrupt15:01
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fluxwell, they produced third-party batteries for N900, with plastic molds (twice!) and everything15:01
fluxbut I guess they didn't succeed either :)15:02
fluxI think the thing is that nobody here knows the volumes and costs involved in battery production.15:02
fluxto me 1000 pcs sounds a doable batch. at least the plastic molds exist already.15:02
parasemicyeah, but even a 1000 pcs is a big batch if for example 100 units go to warranty replacements and another 100 will be sold15:03
parasemic800 practically wasted15:03
parasemicsounds reasonable to me not to have them, though ill be very dissapointed if they dont manage to get me one under the counter15:04
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ggabrielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/3584/spare-parts-for-jolla/15:05
fluxdid they stop producing phones already?15:05
ggabrielonly 229 votes15:05
ggabrieland that isn't only batteries15:05
ggabrielso there you go, no interest15:05
ggabrielone of those is me btw, and i have a spare battery (sorry parasemic - I need it)15:06
fluxonly 1k upvotes for downloadable maps and turn-by-turn navigation, clearly nobody needs that one either15:06
fluxand the rest are only less than 1k, so nobody needs anything :)15:06
parasemici gave up on t.j.c around a year ago15:06
ggabrielwhere are the tens of thousands of phones sold?15:06
mornfallggabriel: because offline maps have 1k and see all the good it did15:06
ggabrielparasemic: big mistake :)15:07
ggabrielmornfall: most of what i opened got resolved with fewer votes15:07
ggabrielit depends on implementation complexity15:07
ggabriel(I guess)15:08
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fluxin more absolute terms, 1k batteries costs maybe 20k EUR to build? a person's yearly salary in finland is maybe 100k including side costs.15:09
mornfalland 10k to distribute :D15:09
ggabriel100k? uhm... prolly too much ;)15:09
fluxdid you account for finnish taxation?-)15:10
mornfallyou could try kickstarting batteries for jolla (ahem ahem)15:10
narchielol15:11
mornfallbut yeah, things are starting to look like jolla is just a fancy shell for android apps15:11
flux"JollaPirateBattery KickStarter"15:11
mornfallsailfish*15:11
mornfallespecially given the 'get an android map app & deal with it' response on tjc15:12
Tofeggabriel: for the batteries, at some point in time you just tell yourself "well, they don't seem to bother much" and move on15:12
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ggabrielTofe: yup, that's apple's strategy for example15:13
parasemicTEN THOUSAND A YEAR, PLEASE THANK GOD15:13
Tofealso, there are multiple tjc posts about this, I didn't upvote them all I realize now15:14
parasemica hint: nope, not even close15:14
mornfallparasemic: ten thousand a year what?15:14
parasemichundred*15:14
parasemicim tired.15:14
parasemicanyway, normal finnish wage would be around 24-25k a year minus tax15:15
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parasemicid say <1% gets over 100k15:16
fluxparasemic, but did you consider how much it costs for the employer to pay that 25k15:17
Miskiparasemic: not from the employers POV, and average Jolla employee might make more than average Finnish employee15:17
parasemicdouble, roughly15:17
fluxI understand the "side costs" for the employer are easily 50% of the total15:17
ggabrielstill far from 100k :)15:17
fluxand 25k is really low-balling it for a Jolla employee, unless they have very lucrative options program15:17
parasemicwell, propably15:18
flux50k would be quite realistic. a nokia engineer would still get much more.15:18
parasemicyet they produce more value than they cost, otherwise the company would be bankrupt any day15:18
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parasemicordering a batch of batteries for shit and giggles does not provice value15:18
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fluxthat is assuming they are income-financed15:18
parasemicwell, that may be changed with the russian stuff etc, true15:19
parasemicalso im pretty certain jolla cant provide payment that the employers deserve. that's true for majority of startups15:19
parasemicthe carrot is more likely the change of gonig higher up if you succees as a company15:19
parasemicand getting to work in a much more enjoyable company with better management15:20
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birdzhang_winhttps://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-developer-device-loan-program-starting-soon/15:27
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HtheBcoderus: I couldn't get it to work18:23
HtheBneither did juiceme and CepiPerez... :(18:23
HtheBI'm talking about adding a sound when exiting the app18:23
HtheBI hope that you could help me out on this18:24
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coderusHtheB: okay18:31
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Sail0rdamn cutespot is always crashing -.-18:33
coderusHtheB: i remember old sailfishos had some sound when closing app...18:33
HtheBSail0r: delete the config file, it will work again18:36
HtheBcoderus: yeah I know, but it wasn't the sound of the app itself18:36
Sail0rk try it18:37
coderusHtheB: sure, i'm just remembering. I didn't heard this sound for a while. Is it was disabled for all?18:37
HtheBi can still hear that sound when using emulator :P18:38
Sail0rworks18:39
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coderusbtw, finally, i checked all tracking apps for cycling, and like Rena more :)20:12
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kimmoliNokius: just add little colors? https://gist.github.com/kimmoli/e02d124c71f36ebbcf75#file-harbour-gistpud-svg20:24
Nokiuskimmoli: in the svg?20:25
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kimmoliadded green-to-black fade to bg, bronze'ish to clip20:26
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kimmolihttps://github.com/kimmoli/gistpud/blob/master/harbour-gistpud.png20:31
Nokiuskimmoli: hum20:32
Nokiuskimmoli: for kladi --> https://gist.github.com/Nokius/ce2040502471f2a6723420:33
kimmoliO_o was there something wrong with the original one ?? :-20:34
Nokiuskimmoli: oh sorry was looking to me like a placeholder it's not a sailfish like icon sorry forget it20:39
Nokiuskimmoli: how about this https://gist.github.com/Nokius/db76da6ae45e39112ecd20:39
kimmolii'll need some sleep now, fresh eyes tomorrow. (and actually kladi is sailfish-style icon, it just looks like it isn't)20:41
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Nokiuskimmoli: me to cu tomorrow :D20:42
kimmolign20:44
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Nokiuskimmoli: gn820:55
HtheBguys, does anyone know what I have to add at "privacy policy" on harbour?20:56
raa700_copy paste facebookapplegoogle policies20:58
sharpneliNow this is an interesting bug. I have to turn my Jolla off for it to charge20:58
sharpneliIf I keep it on it'll happily say 100% battery and shut down the instant I disconnect it, and then it says the battery is empty.20:59
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sharpneliIt will only charge when it's turned off20:59
Stskeepssharpneli: that's awkward, contact care20:59
sharpneliIt's out of warranty20:59
Stskeepsstill20:59
sharpneliSo I just have to complain20:59
Stskeepsi've not heard about this before :)20:59
Nokiuskimmoli: did some changes on the kladi21:00
* Nokius oh damn its so late 21:00
Nokiusgn821:00
sharpneliI'll have to see about contacting care. I don't want to be without a cellphone for a long time tho.21:01
sharpneliMaybe my good ol N900 still works21:01
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tadzikYeah, that's the reason why I didn't send mine23:59

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