#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2015-06-04

tadzikAnd generally not have used any warranty service for the past 5 years. I'll have to bend that rule for my dslr lens though, as I can't fix it myself00:00
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Laxtlohellou07:58
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DerShokusHello everyone! I have a problem with new Jolla (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8Z56WhtJ6apX0RxamVDNkpjeEE/edit). I tried to reset device to factory state, but it doesn't solve the problem.08:19
Stskeepscontacted care?08:19
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DerShokusStskeeps, no. Can I get help here?08:21
Stskeepsnot really, community channel08:22
Stskeepsjolla.zendesk.com08:22
DerShokusStskeeps, oh. Thanx.08:22
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HtheBjuiceme: you there?09:48
fluxhas someone tried how big of a battery drain MeeRun is per hour?09:54
ggabrielflux: I don't even notice it drains battery tbh...09:55
ggabrielotoh, I don't normally touch the phone while meerun is recording09:55
ggabrielso imagine that there is no drain due to screen switching on, or me checking texts, emails etc09:56
fluxggabriel, I'm probably going to use it on a 6-hour bicycle ride, so I guess it would be nice if it didn't power down during that09:56
fluxbut ok, I'll just disable extra crap and I'll probably be alright09:56
ggabrielok, the longest I used it in one recording was 1.5 hours ,and several versions ago09:56
ggabrielthe phone went very sluggish but never ran out of battery09:56
fluxhmm, so maybe I should decrease the sampling interval09:56
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ggabrielthe maximum I used it in 3 recordings was 2.5-3 hours09:57
ggabrielsorry, add 1 more hour to that09:57
ggabrielso 3.5-4 hours09:57
ggabrielthe battery didn't drain more than usual09:57
ggabrielthat was 4 x cyle 1 x running09:57
ggabrieloh, and I was playing music while running :P09:57
ggabrieli didn't disable anything fwiw09:58
HtheBis it possible to compile something where you only want a .desktop file?09:59
coderusHtheB: then you don't need to compile anything09:59
fluxggabriel, did you use the default 3 second interval?09:59
coderusmake spec file and do rpmbuild09:59
ggabrielthe .desktop file is just a text file that points to an executable...10:00
till-i think i had like 5-10% drain in one hour using only meerun (and some background apps, but screen was off most of the time)10:00
ggabrielflux: i used the defaults, I believe they change depending on the activity10:00
fluxalso is there an app for Jolla to send GPS coordinates to the web periodically?10:00
till-but for bike trips i usually use a power bank as i have the screen on most of the time for maps10:00
fluxpreferably something with a Google Maps front ;-)10:00
ggabrielflux: if you use google maps, your coordinates are going to be sent to the web all the time :P10:01
TemeVHtheB: https://github.com/TemeV/FI-arrows-keyboard there is an example .pro and .spec for project that only installs some files10:01
HtheBcoderus, ggabriel: Yeah I know, but I want to upload it on the Jolla store10:02
HtheBit's the "Locks device" and "Connect to Internet" apps that are already on the Open Repos10:03
HtheBBut it gets rejected because it misses some stuff10:03
HtheBthe icons should only execute a command (which is in the .desktop file)10:04
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coderusHtheB: what is exact reason of reject?10:06
fluxggabriel, well, I might want to limit the update interval, send to some other service than google, etc..10:10
fluxI actually wrote one for N900 - or actually it was general but N900's browser actually supported sending the GPS coordinates. maybe it works everywhere nowadays!10:10
ggabrielflux: but does it have to be online? you can export all that info from meerun10:10
fluxyes, online10:11
ggabrielthen I wouldn't know10:11
ggabrielsailfish browser supports that fwiw10:11
ggabrielso if the page you're visiting can access the location object, there you go10:11
ggabrielbut you're on your own re battery drain ;)10:11
HtheBcoderus: check out pm10:14
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birdzhangmorning~12:10
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SfietKonstantinWhi birdzhang12:21
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HtheBStskeeps: ping14:22
StskeepsHtheB: not really here14:22
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TMavica你好嗎15:43
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TofeTMavica: morning too15:48
TMavicalo. u understand15:49
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Tofeno, I guess :)15:50
SfietKonstantinWTofe: and technically you are wrong :P15:53
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TMavicait is not mean morning by the way16:06
TMavicaLOL16:06
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zhxt_hoho, morning should be : 早  or 早上好(good morning)  :)16:14
SfietKonstantinW:)16:14
zhxt_:P16:15
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zhxt_actually it is midnight here now and I  have to say : 晚安!16:17
* zhxt_ is going to sleep...16:17
Nokiustires to use hand writing but fails to write this Chinese sings :(16:19
Nokiusgot it16:21
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zhxt_lol16:22
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Nokiuszhxt_: :O16:23
Aardzhxt_: UGT16:23
zhxt_UGT?16:24
Aarduniversal greeting time16:24
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zhxt_oh. hehe16:24
Nokiuskimmoli: okay I prefer the last one from last night but it's up to u Thanks for the application :)16:25
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altker128Hi all.  Two questions :  1.  Who is actually doing the work on the Jolla tablet?   2.  Are there any plans to release a Jolla phone with newer specs (mainly CPU)?18:31
Stskeepser.. could you rephrase 1) ?18:31
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ortylpchem|st: have you got CardDAV working with radicale?18:38
Nicd-altker128: jolla is doing the work on the jolla tablet :P18:39
Nicd-altker128: at this point it seems unlikely that jolla will release a new phone, at least soon, but they have said that another company will start making phones with sailfish18:39
Nicd-and that they would release more info before summer holidays18:40
coderusit will be sad to loose TOH concept on future sailfishos phones, it was a nice time.18:41
altker128Stskeeps: I meant, is Jolla working with an ODM or are they doing the engineering themselves?18:42
Stskeepsaltker128: in practice everybody is working with an ODM these days18:42
ggabrieloh, hey you guys, did you know about this great feature of android m? double tap to unlock? mind-blown :P18:42
Stskeepsso yes, we are18:42
Stskeepsggabriel: .. :P18:42
* ggabriel is proud that he resisted like 6 hours to mention it18:43
ShadowJKThe question is, did jolla remember to patent it!18:43
raa700_I think I've seen highly similar function on N918:44
coderus N9 was first oubletap to unlock phone, isn't it?18:45
coderusd*18:45
HtheBcoderus: yes18:48
HtheBthere are more phones that uses double tap to awake...18:49
HtheBbut the first phone that introduced this was indeed the N9/N95018:50
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r0kk3rzsurely jolla has invested too much in a hardware team to stop making devices altogether18:56
r0kk3rzbut i can understand that the software is the focus18:56
Stskeepsnah, we've had a really good model in that regard18:56
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Nokiusr0kk3rz: I have no clue but I assume there HW team is small but there Developer Team to get SFOS fling on HW is big19:33
r0kk3rzand naturally so19:34
Nokiusbiggest department is OS development19:34
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Nokiusah u mean invested in form of money? not men/women power?19:35
r0kk3rzbut that doesnt mean they havent invested in in-house hardware development, and relationships with ODMs and such thing19:35
r0kk3rzmoney, people, time19:35
r0kk3rzpersonally id like a future where jolla brings out the occasional device with something cool or innovative like theotherhalf19:36
r0kk3rzbut leaves actual hardware manufacturers to the mass market19:36
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r0kk3rzsorta like google shows the way with their nexus devices, but most people buy a samsung19:37
Nokiusthe Phone and the Tablet are sample devices which shows the power of SFOS19:37
Nokiusr0kk3rz: yeap19:38
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Nokiususer buy samsung cos the have the biggest budget for ads19:38
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r0kk3rzthey can also make bajillions of phones19:40
r0kk3rzand make them available everywhere19:40
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r0kk3rzif jolla tried to do that they would end up like blackberry, the economy of scale is simply too great19:42
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ggabrielr0kk3rz: +1 re reference phone19:51
ggabrielbut that's just hoping, or you never know, maybe another crowdfunding gig would do it19:51
ggabrielit is clear that some people are ok to buy expensive stuff, so maybe it's possible to do something like that19:51
M4rtinKI hope (at least some) future Sailfish OS devices will keep the ToH concept in some form19:52
M4rtinKit does not need to be mechanically or even electrically compatible19:52
M4rtinKbut it would be kinda tragicomic to loose it just when the KEyboard ToHs start shipping19:52
M4rtinK*keyboard19:53
locusfyep :)19:53
ggabrielwell, we still have the jolla ;)19:53
ggabrielnot sure when that well is going to get dry19:54
r0kk3rzthere are plenty of other players in the modular smartphone game19:55
M4rtinKany maybe actual working devices one can buy and use ? :)19:56
r0kk3rzalmost seems silly to try and maintain another incompatible standard of some kind19:56
M4rtinKafter hearing tbr talking bout them on FOSDEM I'm kinda skeptical19:56
r0kk3rzi am also skeptical19:57
r0kk3rzi suspect the kickstarter ones are vapourware19:57
r0kk3rzgoogles project may go somewhere, maybe not19:57
r0kk3rzand nobody knows anything much about the puzzlephone19:57
ggabrieli'm skeptical about anything google tbh19:57
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r0kk3rzthey have the dollars and the brand and the will19:58
r0kk3rzif anyone can make it work, its the googleplex19:58
ggabrielbut they lack the quality19:58
r0kk3rzhow so?19:58
ggabrielin general, anything that google releases is beta19:59
ggabrieland i know that this has been said before19:59
ggabrielbut i see it every day, sadly19:59
ggabrielit sadly affects my work too as some companies use gmail. they can't get meeting invites right19:59
ggabrielso i doubt the general ability of getting something more complex such as a modular phone right19:59
r0kk3rzwell software wise anyway20:00
NokiusM4rtinK: +1 I hope there is no bigger phone just a replacement for the phone half :)20:00
ggabrieland odn't get me wrong, i know it's a big company20:00
r0kk3rzi wouldnt really call chromebooks beta, or the chromecast20:00
ggabrieli didn't try those20:00
r0kk3rzand they do have some fearsome engineering talent under their wing20:00
ggabrielmainly because i watch HD :P20:00
r0kk3rzchromecast will do hd20:00
ggabrielthey claim so20:00
ggabrielsuper compressed HD20:01
ggabrielthat isn't as good as a BD20:01
ggabrielsome smart tv's claim the same thing20:01
ggabrielanyway20:01
r0kk3rzi dont own one, but my friends quite like theirs20:01
ggabrieli didn't try those, so i can't tell20:01
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ggabrielthe nexus range of phones is pretty bad call/reception quality wise20:01
Nokiuskimmoli: not sure if the logo in the baout page is save to use20:02
r0kk3rzmodular smartphones arent quite as experiemental as glass, so they might go full consumer straight away20:02
ggabrielyup20:02
ggabrieland google will certainly get traction20:02
kimmoliNokius: it is a link to gh, it was mentioned "use it as link to our pages"...20:02
ggabrielloads of people making modules for xyz20:02
kimmolii also revised the app-icon with lighter and more even colors.20:02
Nokiuskimmoli: did u set some transparency for the icon in the cover?20:03
Nokiuskimmoli: nice hack :D20:03
kimmoliNokius: uses default CoverPlaceholder20:04
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Nokiuskimmoli: iirc it use some transparency20:04
kimmoli      opacity: 0.420:05
NokiusI like 0.220:05
Nokiusbit tranparent and not so blury20:05
Nokiuskimmoli: let me check it on fullhd20:06
Nokius:-/20:06
kimmoliyou mean 0.8  then ?20:07
Nokiuslet me check20:07
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Nokiusah used 0.6 in my unfinished application20:08
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raa700_watching total recall, videophone system has swipe down to close20:17
r0kk3rznew or old?20:20
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Nokiuskimmoli: token is the 6 digt pin or?20:23
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kimmolihttps://github.com/settings/tokens20:24
Nokiuskimmoli: thx20:24
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raa700_old20:24
Nokiuskimmoli: if I type in the credentials refesh is needed to login20:27
Nokiuskimmoli: looks great :D20:27
kimmoliyes, known issue20:27
Nokiuskimmoli: also it is not all gist just few last for me API limit?20:28
kimmolii have just ~10, so don't know. maybe api limit?20:29
Nokiuskimmoli: is there a log :)20:30
Nokiusi have a few 100 :D20:30
Nokius*<=10020:30
kimmolihmm20:32
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kimmolistart without parameters from terminal?20:33
kimmoliit prints something, not much20:33
* Nokius need sleep and a clean brain 20:34
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Nokiuskimmoli: mh no20:39
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Nokiuskimmoli: oh huge files 199517B slow down the interface a lot20:40
kimmoliyes20:40
Nokiusah and for png I get warning but I assume it know issue to20:41
Nokiusbut I relay like it20:41
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kimmoliwarning?20:43
kimmolii could recognize mimetype, and show images20:43
Nokius[W] QSGDistanceFieldGlyphCache::populate:119 - Warning: distance-field glyph is not available with index 020:45
kimmoliaa, with png. yes, binary data20:46
kimmolii could also prevent showing if it is something else than text/plain20:47
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Nokiuskimmoli: it show the gist from pag 1 - 3 just checked it20:58
Nokiusgn821:04
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