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citylight2hi, well, after the last OS update the only missing feature I seek is mark and copy text from a webpage08:18
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tadzikoh, don't worry, I have some :>08:21
ggabrieli believe that feature is already there, but on the open source version08:21
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: not sure. coderus have some patches, and a bleeding edge browser for this feature08:22
SfietKonstantinWbut not sure that it got integrated08:22
ggabrieloh, so it's bleeding edge browser + patches08:22
ggabrielfair enough08:22
ggabrielit wasn't working 100% when I saw it though, somebody made a video08:23
ggabriellooked cool tho08:23
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coderusggabriel: just install patchmanager and warehouse and install many cool patches08:52
ggabrielcitylight2: ^08:52
ggabriel:P08:52
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citylight2hmm, ggabriel. how long untill it is formally released?08:59
ggabrielI have no clue09:00
coderuscitylight2: what you asking about?09:01
ggabrielstock browser copy/paste is the topic coderus09:02
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coderusggabriel: who knows when it come, even jolla devs don't know this.09:06
coderusthis is most long developed feature i know.09:07
ggabrielthe future in motion is mmmm09:07
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birdzhangIs sailfish support webp ?10:24
coderusbirdzhang: by default it may not contain codecs you want, but it linux device, and you can compile and install required codecs yourself!10:27
birdzhangyeah,i see https://github.com/facebook/fresco ,it's only support android,so i want to know is sailfish support webp10:30
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coderusi think browser engine support this, but no libs for support it in your apps here10:40
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birdzhangi will try11:14
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rubdosWhere in Asia does Jolla sell their gear atm?12:18
rubdosHong Kong and India, am I right?12:18
ggabrielindia, china, russia12:18
rubdoswhole China?12:18
ggabrieland when i say china, i include hk12:18
ggabrielerm... not sure how extensive it is in china12:18
ppand when you say china, you exclude tablets ;)12:18
ggabrielpp: that's correct12:19
ggabrieland when i say whatever, i exclude everything that's out of stock too12:19
rubdosroger12:20
rubdosthank you12:20
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FIQoh look, tohkbd just arrived12:45
kimmoliFIQ: please join #jollatohkbd12:45
Nicd-jealous :(12:45
kimmolibusy with FAQ12:46
ggabrielbut but12:47
ggabrielwhy U not work?! :)12:47
birdzhang-jolla😍12:48
birdzhang-jollaAwesome12:48
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SfietKonstantinWI guess that AZERTY will come much later12:49
SfietKonstantinWthanks kimmoli, dirkvl and all for your hard work !12:50
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tadzikfirst impressions? :)12:52
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ggabrieli don't have it and i'm impressed that they included an rfc tag12:53
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ggabrielso it's being done properly12:53
Nicd-nfc :)12:53
ggabrielargh12:53
ggabrielnfc ofc12:53
ggabrielclearly i've been doing too much intrenetting lately12:53
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inte__is there any app for jolla which connects to heart rate monitors or gps watches13:18
inte__such as runtastic?13:18
ggabrieli think bluetooth ones work13:19
ggabrieli use meerun, go to tmo, check the meerun thread, i think people said there what worked for them13:20
ggabrielthe jolla has a gps fwiw :P13:20
inte__ah cool thx13:20
inte__its only that bluetooth doesnt work for android apps13:21
inte__or does it, meanwhile?13:21
ggabrieli have no clue13:21
ggabrieli use meerun, which is a sailfish native application that you can get from warehouse/openrepos13:21
inte__i have meerun installed13:21
inte__but is there any way to connect a heart rate monitor?13:22
inzat least it is listed in features13:23
inte__cool just saw it13:23
inte__always better to read first :-)13:23
fluxyes, is there a meerun/jolla-compatible heart rate monitor available?13:24
flux"To be able to monitor your heart rate, you will need a Bluetooth (non-smart) device (Zephy HxM BT, Polar Wearlink+, ...). Sports Tracker devices have been reported to work but are not officially supported"13:25
inte__yes, yes :-)13:26
inte__i once installed the app and didn't read further13:26
inte__there is no actual mention of the heart rate monitoring within the app, though13:27
inte__to my excuse :-)13:27
fluxis the polar wearlink+ any good?13:28
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ggabrielinte__: i don't use hr monitors, so i won't be able to help i'm afraid13:47
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krososhello, i've got a short question. which package application does jolla use to remove/install packages? is it apkd? if so, where do I find a man page on this? I just need to remove one application installed via warehouse, but warehouse, when listing all packages just freezes.14:00
ggabrielkrosos: pkcon14:01
coderuskrosos: pkcon14:01
coderus:D14:01
ggabrielcoderus: I win :P14:01
krososthanks!14:02
* coderus sends fireball to ggabriel 14:02
krososapkd is android support iirc, right?14:02
* ggabriel saves the fireball in an insulated place for when it's cold14:02
chem|stkrosos: warehouse is a pita for uninstalling anything14:02
chem|stkrosos: and yes apkd is android14:03
krososfor a while it was okay, now it's just refusing to work, so ssh into the phone is quicker14:03
chem|stkrosos: we are in a rpm environment, so you have pkcon rpm libzyp14:03
coderuskrosos: btw, when warehouse is freezing just close it when not responding and relaunch14:07
chem|stcoderus: the "list all apps" page always freezes14:07
krososyes, i know,  but this is a freeze which is non-fixable. freezes when listing all apps14:07
ggabrieli'm kinda glad that i use openrepos directly and download the rpm's14:08
krosossome minutes are okay, but after 10 - 30 minutes I give up14:08
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fluxmeh, polar h7 would be nice BLE + 5KHz heart rate monitor, but I guess given the sorry state of BLE on Jolla, MeeRun won't support it either :P14:11
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temmi_hootoo bad you'll run out of nyquist at roughly 150kbpm14:12
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Helleflux: I've gotten HRM access working for native apps with some tricks14:12
fluxhelle, bluetooth le? I'm quite doubtful about that..14:13
Helleflux: yep, to a Mio HRM watch14:13
HelleI mean it was just a proof of concept so far14:13
temmi_hooso how does the watch perform when you're sweaty and bouncywouncy?14:13
temmi_hoopro athletes use those monitoring bands and i'm guessing there's a reason as they're annoying as hell14:14
krososokay, the warehouse *patch* packages are not always named patch? with rpm -qa | grep patch there's not everything listed I installed, and phonehook(?) is not listed as phonehook14:14
fluxhelle, I think there's technically no problem for using BLE from MeeRun either as long as you have the right library in particular now that there is ble in the most recent qt (? and even if there isn't there is a library to give it), but I think meerun just doesn't quite yet support it14:15
fluxhelle, so it's some particular program you wrote that works with the watch?14:15
Helleflux: well, HRM is a standard Bluetooth LE profile14:15
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krososokay, openrepos.net lists the names. that works14:16
krososis there an -pretend function like with emerge/portage? I have not used rpm in a long time14:18
fluxhelle, good, but it doesn't solve the bluetooth le infrastructure side on Jolla.. does it exist? I think ble device scanning in particular would need one to have root priviledges.14:18
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Helleflux: yeah, I've got a helper for it and some things like that14:19
Helleit won't be a Harbour app for quite some time14:19
fluxhelle, so it's not quite "out of the box" experience yet :)14:19
fluxmeerun isn't in harbour either so I guess that's alright.14:19
fluxhelle, I guess you're planning to patch MeeRun to support it as well? or just use a separate program for hrm?14:20
Helleflux: I actually was planning a different app because I need it for cycling and MeeRun just does tons of things I don't need and some things I do need aren't in it14:21
fluxI use it for cycling as well :)14:22
fluxbut doesn't that sound like a bigger job to write a whole meerun-limited-to-cycling versus integrating to meerun's HRM support?14:22
fluxnot to mention, maybe more generally applicaple and greater chances of completing, or perhaps your projects survive better than mine.. :-)14:23
Helleflux: idk I am not a fan of apps having a Pro version either14:24
krososso with version 1.1.4.29 openrepos repos no longer must be disabled before sysupgrade? that's what i read from the latest upgrade notes in 1.1.614:24
Helleso yeah, I am probably just going to make my own app14:24
fluxhelle, what are you talking about? there is meerun pro?14:24
Helleyep14:24
HelleI think only on Android, with the features all being in the normal app on Jolla14:25
fluxwell it sure has lousy google visibility..14:25
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Helleor atleast looking on the website there is now14:25
Helleanother reason for me to not bother with them14:25
fluxok, so they provide an internet view to the data as a service14:26
fluxseems like a feature to me :-o14:26
fluxI'm not sure where the "Pro" part comes in14:26
Mikaelakrosos: that is what I also understood and I would like to have confirmation too14:26
fluxhelle, btw, is your program already available somewhere?14:27
krososi'm not sure, it might be that the last early release update I already had the repos back and did it without thinking about it, so it might work like this14:27
Helleflux: I can probably throw it on a github, it currently just shows that Bluetooth LE + HRM works and displays current HR14:28
fluxhelle, works on Linux PC too as well I imagine?14:28
Hellebut later as I need to actually go finish doing stuff for uni and then go for an hour or two cycling when the sun decides to calm down a little14:28
Helleflux: yep, originally wrote it for there, then just trivially ported it14:29
fluxhelle, yes, I encourage you to make it available :)14:29
fluxhelle, have a nice ride.14:29
Yanielopenrepos repos being enabled is no problem, some often installed patches are14:29
fluxoh now I found the PRO version on the meerun.com/#!app, including HRM (for non-jolla platforms it seems)14:31
krosossailfishos-phoneui-merge-calls-patch-0.1-6.armv7hl would be a patch I assume? I've no idea where patchmanager went, this is what I got via rpm listing, no idea if jolla has official patches named like this14:31
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chem|stkrosos: no idea but the guy behind it should be punched until he cahnges the package name!14:33
krososthey are all named like this14:34
chem|stin rpm there are packages,patches,sources so no idea how you actually determine something like that if the name is not already telling it properly14:34
krososjust opened a page on openrepos, calendar patch: sailfishos-calendar-patch-$version.rpm14:34
chem|stif it is a patchmanager plugin why not call it patchmanager-plugin-$what_is_it_for-version14:36
krososyeah, no idea why..14:36
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chem|stI guess you can tell by the sailfishos in the front of package name is all non-jolla stuff14:38
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svuorelachristmas comes early this time of year - thanks dirkvl and kimmoli17:16
kimmolio/17:17
entilyeah, thanks!17:17
svuorelait does feel heavier - and quite a bit thicker ..17:19
entilno leaked beta drivers?-)17:20
entilI love it17:20
entilI hate how small phones of today are, so ymmv all around17:21
r0kk3rzthe magnets probably weigh a bit17:26
tbrentil: if by "leaked" you mean, there have been builds of the open source software on OBS for the last half year, yeah17:27
r0kk3rzyeah kimmoli has been rather covert about the whole thing17:27
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entilprobably to avoid a ton of support requests17:31
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TemeVuuh, happy birthday to me (one day early though). Thanks dirkvl! :)18:50
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kimmoliTemeV: cgrts18:54
kimmoliand thqnkw18:54
kimmolithanks18:54
r0kk3rzkeyboards for everyone!19:01
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TemeVkimmoli: and thank you too! (Now that I got the sw working also) :)19:07
Obi-Lantohkbd half sit in &%¤&% tight19:08
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r0kk3rzkinda needs to for the pogo pins to work19:20
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Raimhey, I installed harbour-systemmonitor from OpenRepos, but the systemd unit file is not loaded. any hints how I can debug this?21:38
RaimI checked 'systemctl status harbour-systemmonitord.service' and get "Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)"21:39
Raimbut /usr/lib/systemd/user/harbour-systemmonitord.service exists21:39
RaimI also tried a 'systemctl daemon-reload', but there is nothing in journalctl about this...21:39
kimmolisystemctl --user status har...21:42
kimmolior as ruun systemctl-user status har...21:42
kimmoliÄ'root21:42
Raimduh, thanks21:44
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Raim'systemctl --user enable harbour-systemmonitord.service' => "Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory"21:46
Raimthese error messages are not that helpful21:46
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Raimokay, figured it out. it was a permission problem on ~/.config/systemd/, which was owned by root for whatever reason.21:56
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FIQis there a way to disable input suggestion field?23:33
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FIQI never used it in any of the devices I've had with it, and it just feels in the way, so I always disable it.. but can't find a way to on the jolla lol23:34
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