#jollamobile log for Wednesday, 2015-06-17

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* pahartik has recovered from loss of mobile data network by switching to aeroplane mode for moment, but now even icon for mobile data between aeroplane icon and bluetooth icon has disappeared00:13
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* pahartik performed some adventurous poking around and found out that "systemctl restart ofono" has at least returned mobile data network to action00:24
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* pahartik suspects that "OOM killer" did take out some related process for mobile data network to disappear00:27
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tadzikthis is your daily reminder to vote for https://together.jolla.com/question/1836/set-default-browser/ (pretty please :))09:00
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MikaelaI have only been using the default browser and using Android browser doesn't seem like a good idea because it opens aliendalvik which I have timer to kill it hourly09:02
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tadzikwell, untill I see a native browser with text reflow I'm stuck with android09:03
tadzikI know WebPirate has it planned09:03
politietext reflow09:04
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politieoh09:05
tadzikor auto-wrapping09:05
politiedoesnt webpirate do that allready?09:05
tadzikI don't think so09:05
politieok, i dont browse mobile but did install webpirate, thought i read that09:06
tadzikno, doesn't09:06
tadzikit's a planned feature from what I read09:06
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politieOh ok, than i just skimmed te text and misunderstood09:11
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tadziksweet cheeses, Poor Maps is absolutely kickass09:15
StskeepsPoor Maps?09:15
tadzikyeah, it's in Warehouse09:15
tadzikmost misleading name ever09:15
ggabrielwhat's so special?09:16
tadzikthink of modrana with smooth scrolling and more efficient UI09:16
ggabrielinteresting09:16
Nicd-the screenshots look nice09:16
tadzikI switched from Here too Google Maps since Here doesn't support Japan09:17
tadzikthen to Modrana because it gave better search results than gmaps09:17
ggabrielyeah, i use modrana for japan09:17
tadzikand now poor has smooth zooming (sorry, zooming, not scrolling), and everything needs less clicks09:17
ggabrielwhich can download gmaps fwiw09:17
tadzikyeah, I used that too09:18
tadzikI wonder if I could implement a geocaching geocoder for it09:18
ursI'm still primarily using OsmAnd in aliendalvik to look at maps, but a native app of comparable quality would be great.09:19
ursSo I guess I should have a look at Poor Maps then.09:19
ggabrieltsk tsk poor maps doesn't do offline maps09:20
ursAlso, I heard positive things about maep09:20
ursmaep-qt, to be precise09:20
tadzikwell, it does cache tiles as long as you want, but can't pre-download them, yes09:20
ggabrielyes, i read in the comments09:21
ggabrielui looks nice, yes09:21
tadzikI recently requested an easier way to route to a point in map in modrana, MartinK has just implemented it in today's release, but it seems like poor maps has had it before even09:24
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baumi heared that sailfish will end up on a git repo? can anyone confirm this?12:51
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Stskeepswell, not one..12:52
baumStskeeps: means?12:52
Stskeepshttp://techcrunch.com/2015/05/28/jolla-pushes-brics-partnerships-to-target-android-in-emerging-markets/ bottom12:52
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baumalright, thanks for the link.....guess i'll have to keep waiting and drinking tea :)12:59
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mondialhello all12:59
baumhello you13:00
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* mondial has a failed upgrade to 1.1.6.27 :-s13:02
Stskeepscontacted care?13:02
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mondialnot yet13:02
mondiali tried to revert back to 1.1.4.2913:03
TemeVfirst step is always to ask help in irc. Usually problem solves it self that way :)13:03
mondialde initial problem was no more space on btrfs13:03
oh8gnzif the answer is not the usual RTFM13:04
mondialgot that fixed with in recovery mode13:04
* baum just realized how lucky he was that all updates worked yet13:04
mondiali now have no screen but ssh to my jolla13:05
* baum even forgot to disable the openRepos on the last update13:05
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Nicd-baum: you don't need to do that anymore. though it's a good practice anyway13:05
mondialproblem is with the refresh of the jolla repos :s13:06
baumNicd-: oh good to know....when i pressed the update button yesterday i was like....oh...sh...the repos...13:06
MorpogNever had any problems with any update yet :D13:07
Nicd-me neither13:07
MorpogAnd I never disabled any openreps repos :D13:07
MorpogAs I don't install lib stuff or system critical stuff from there13:08
mondialwhen i try version --dup i get the message "adaption0: [|] Valid metadate not found at specified URL(s)13:08
mondialalso for eas/store/xt913:08
mondialalready tried to use a new token in then /etc/ssu/ssu.ini13:09
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mondialdoes anyone have any pointers to set the auth for these repos so i can complete my downgrade?13:10
Morpogwhy the hell do you downgrade?13:10
baumMorpog: because the upgrade failed13:10
Morpogjust upgrade again so it installs missing stuff13:10
mondialfor that I still need valid auth from the ssu13:11
mondialif i ssu re 1.1.6.27 i get the same problem...13:12
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mondialin the /etc/ssu/ssu.ini i have my jolla username and the oauth token as password... is this ok?13:13
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mondialbtw zypper and pkcon also both get an timeout on refreshing those repos13:15
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baumuhm no idea how to fix it mondial sorry =/13:18
mondialcan somebody look in his /etc/ssu/ssu.ini and confirm if under [credentials-store] you have username=[your jolla store username] and password=[a valid oauth token]13:23
* Mikaela can look at hers and it as password before username, but otherwise yes13:24
Mikaela*has13:24
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mondial@Mikaela tnx13:25
Mikaelayou're welccome13:25
chem|stmondial: nope no token13:26
mondial@chem|st... me listening...13:26
chem|stmondial: at least not one of the tokens on account.jolla.com13:27
mondialpassword isn't a 10 digit auth token?13:27
chem|stit is a 10 digit token yes13:29
chem|stmondial: thought oauth is longer13:29
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chem|stah found it...13:30
chem|stok yes oauth token13:30
mondialjep the key and secret are longer buth if you click on the name you would see the auth token...13:32
chem|stas said, found it13:32
chem|stso you tried to downgrade a broken upgrade?13:33
mondialyep...13:33
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mondialbut i think it uninstalled some packages from the repo's that i can't access anymore.13:34
chem|stbad idea13:34
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chem|styou cannot just swap between versions with ssu re #otherVersion13:35
mondialwhen i got in recovery mode and did een su-devel on my chrooted /root partition i saw the 1.1.4.29 motd13:36
chem|stdomain is sales? re is 1.1.6.27?13:36
mondialso i thought it would be best to re bach to that version13:37
chem|stno, in any case like that I'd try to reapply the upgrade, not try to revert cahnges13:38
mondialdomain is sales13:38
mondialre 1.1.4.2913:38
chem|stthe upgrade you tried to apply before is 1.1.6?13:39
chem|stset it to latest upgrade you tried to apply13:39
chem|stcheck that no pkcon or rpm processes are still hanging somewhere in the wild13:40
chem|stis RW and you have space left... real space not metadata-imaginary-friend-space13:40
chem|st / is RW...13:41
chem|stversion --dup13:43
mondialbtrfs fi df / Data, single: total=11.87GiB, used=7.07GiB System, DUP: total=32.00MiB, used=4.00KiB System, single: total=4.00MiB, used=0.00 Metadata, DUP: total=480.00MiB, used=240.43MiB13:43
chem|stmondial: you are in recovery shell!13:43
chem|sthe a linebreak13:44
chem|stok is writeable?13:44
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mondialnope i'm booted and connected via ssh13:45
chem|styeah linebreak in my irc client did mess up13:45
mondialso yes the / is RW mounted13:46
chem|sta simple "yes" is enough though...13:46
chem|stmondial: check that you can write it13:46
chem|stmounted rw does not mean it is writeable (we have learned recently)13:46
mondialyep learned the same thing ;-)13:47
mondialdf -h != btrfs fi df /13:47
mondiali did the df before the upgrade and saw enough free space but the btrfs was full :-s13:48
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mondialthat's propably why the upgrade failed ...13:48
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chem|stdo we have internet?13:49
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chem|stif all that is yes, then version --dup and pastebin the output if any error13:50
* mondial #ssu re 1.1.6.27 Changing release from 1.1.4.29 to 1.1.6.27 Your device is now in release mode!13:51
chem|stgood, we now know by now that you are able to paste terminal output to IRC13:51
chem|st;)13:51
mondialyep internet ok (resolving and pinging to www.google.com are np)13:52
mondialand now pray? :-p13:52
chem|stcan you ping store-repository.jolla.com13:53
mondialbtw no packagekit/rmp/pkcon running on the system13:53
mondialnope can't ping but i can resolce13:54
mondial*resolve*13:54
chem|stok yeah ping seems to be disabled...13:54
chem|styeah print and pray the birds of prey13:55
mondialgo directly to version --dup or try a zypper ref first?13:55
chem|stversion --dup13:55
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mondial think i have the same behavior as with the previous version --dup  waiting for a timeout on the refresh13:57
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* mondial still at refreshing 0%13:59
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* mondial refreshing 0% -> 44%13:59
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* mondial refreshing 44% -> 77%14:01
chem|stI'd love to have my Jolla have a tad more verbosity14:01
chem|stmondial: I guess it did not do that before right?14:01
mondialyep it did :-(14:01
chem|stoh it did...14:02
narchiejolla tablet, shipping may 201514:02
chem|stand after that pukeing about cannot refresh store-repo?14:02
chem|stnarchie: soon(TM) thought you people learned that with Jolla1...14:02
Aciidbtw humanity will be on mars before jolla tablet14:03
chem|stnarchie: and it is a crowdfunding... never seen a crowdfunding be on time yet (one said we are pretty on track until their production blew up in their faces)14:03
mondialversion --dup is downloading14:03
chem|stmondial: so no errors after refreshing?14:04
mondialunfortunately i got this message:14:04
mondialMessage: adaptation0: [|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s) adaptation1: [|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s) aliendalvik: Store credentials not received. Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. eas: [|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s) store: [|] V14:04
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mondiali hope i'll be left with at least a sshd after this ;-) otherwise back to the recovery...14:05
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chem|stmondial: well steps after that failing would be reboot try again, and after that factory-reset (or you find someone that knows how to reset accounts in terminal, sure there is a way I do not knwo about yet)14:06
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mondiali don't like to factory reset... but i have a tar of my home volume ready, sure do hope i won't be needing it14:10
mondialany experience in restoring the /home from a tar?14:11
MorpogMaybe the download URL's are different?14:11
* mondial download done... upgrading system 11%14:11
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Morpogmondial: I guess nieldk could answer you, but he is not on14:12
Morpogmaybe coderus can offer guidance as well with restoring from a tar14:12
ggabrielmondial: easier than i was expecting tbh14:13
ggabrieljust remember to include .* in your tar and you should be alright14:13
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mondiali'll double check if i included the hidden files/dirs14:14
mondialtnx for the pointer14:14
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* mondial upgrade @83%14:19
mondialk done14:21
mondialshall i reboot now?14:22
ggabrielwhy would you?14:22
mondialwell to complete the upgrade?14:23
mondialor can i check some things 1st b4 reboot?14:23
ggabrieloh, you upgraded through CLI, i have no clue14:24
mondialok, here goes nothing ;-)14:24
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coderusmondial: do you see text at the end of upgrade process?14:26
mondialyep alot of packages... and14:26
mondialREBOOT NOW unless you need to investigate update issues or know what you are doing (or both).  All bugs encountered until reboot are features.14:26
mondialreboot done... still have sshd running14:27
mondialMOTD is now SailfishOS 1.1.6.27 (Aaslakkajärvi) (armv7hl)14:27
mondialhave 2 go now... thank to you all for the help so far14:29
mondialwill drop by l8er14:29
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Almindoris there a way to see the log of a particular system app with journalctl (via ssh)?15:22
ggabrielwhich "system app"?15:22
Almindorphone15:23
Almindorthe app just crashes on me when I try to make a phone all after last update, I wanna see what the crash is15:24
ggabrielwell, the backend certainly writes stuff to the system log15:24
Almindor*phone call15:24
ggabrielso, try journalctl -f and look for errors15:24
Almindorhmm I see something15:25
ggabrielelse find the .desktop file for the phone application and launch it from the command line15:25
ggabrielafraid that you'll have to check in the phone, rather than ssh15:25
ggabrieli did notice something strange with phone calls too after the upgrade :(15:26
Almindorit does crash on glib errors http://pastebin.com/tiLVE1dA15:27
Almindorbut I think the cause is a kernel kill15:28
ggabrielyuk... tried tjc?15:28
Almindortjc?15:28
ggabrieltogether.jolla.com15:28
Almindoryeah https://together.jolla.com/question/96376/update-11627-breaks-phone-function/ :)15:29
AlmindorI'm gonna try the "refresh/factory reset" later today but I need my auth codes on another phone15:29
ggabrielwell, that's certainly a good way to start from scratch15:30
ggabrielespecialliy given that this doesn't happen to everybody15:30
ggabrielbut it'd be nice to know what the issue is exactly15:30
Almindorit could be network related15:30
Almindorthere aren't many jolla users in canada (stuck with rogers in 2G)15:31
Almindorand rogers just did a network update on their tower hw15:31
ggabrieli can't even test 2g :)15:31
Almindorbut I can still SMS!15:31
Almindorso it's not the network connection itself15:31
Almindorvoicecall-manag: unhandled page fault (11) at 0xbe9c1ff8, code 0x81715:33
Almindorthis is a bad pointer bug15:33
ggabrielyup15:33
Almindormight be it can't get some GSM object or such, seems it happens right after dialing call15:34
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mondialback16:08
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Milo-my other half is defective.. it keeps triggering the jolla store sporadically, thus causing odd vibrations in the pocket area16:14
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Milo-no more tohd service, whee16:20
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mondialmy jolla is still blacked out after the upgrade to 1.1.6.27 :-(17:34
mondialstill can't refresh jolla store repos..17:35
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mondialoutput of ssu lr & zypper -vvv ref -f http://pastebin.com/a30QV2hE17:36
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Stskeepsstore-client needs to be active for that17:37
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mondialhow can i "activate" the "store-client"?17:39
mondialsome systemctl ?17:39
mondiali found /usr/bin/store-client but it can't start without a display :-s17:43
Stskeepswhat the devil did you do..17:44
Stskeepsfirst off, how did you upgrade?17:44
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mondialgui -> failed bad no screen/no network -> recovery mode -> got 1.1.4.29 back (bad .so in /usr/lib) -> version --dup (but saw during update that none of the secured repos where refreshed/fetched -> got black screen again but with ssh access -> did ssu re 1.1.6.27 && version --dup -> no screen but still ssh access17:52
mondialso now on a partial 1.1.6.27 version17:53
mondiali'm not able to refresh the repos from "store-repository.jolla.com"17:54
mondialalready tried to create an new jolla auth key and update the /etc/ssu/ssu.ini17:55
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Stskeepsokay.. and factory reset isn't an option?17:59
* mondial was hoping for an less drastic solution18:02
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mondiallooks like just some repo problems, was hoping to get this fixed18:03
Stskeepsyou're so far out in this that me, who's using devel level sailfishos, would just give up :P18:03
locusfwoah18:04
mondialwell i'm learning allot about the structure of sailfish... have more experience with freebsd and debian18:05
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mondialseems like the repos adaptation0 and 1 are also gone after the last upgrade :-s18:17
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Xiph_Hi guys, my phone does not seem to find the latest update.18:45
Xiph_Hi18:46
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Xiphhi guys18:47
Xiphmy phone does not seem to find the latest update.18:47
Xiphwhat am I doing wrong?18:47
Yanieldoes store work?18:48
Xiphwell, it doesn't give me any errors18:48
Xiphbut I've noticed that there haven't been any new apps in a while18:49
Xiphand some apps does not have an icon18:49
Xiphin the store18:49
TemeVlatest app seems to be Textractor, published yesterday in store18:50
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TemeVcan you see that?18:51
Xiphhmm, ok mine says FMI weather WV18:51
MikaelaI think there was something at together about no new Sailfish releases being found and manual update instructions, but I cannot find them18:51
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TemeVMikaela: propably this one https://together.jolla.com/question/96088/cannot-start-os-update/18:53
Mikaelayes18:54
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TemeVdoes version --dup disable open repos etc?18:54
Mikaelacould `version --dup` help in this case?18:54
YanielI'd try clearing the package cache first18:54
Yanielwith sailfish-utilities18:55
Yanieland check btrfs fi show18:55
XiphI've already tried that18:55
Xiphthing is that it doesn't even find latest update18:56
Xiphalso, in Settings->Update Sailfish OS18:56
ln-oh, jolla would have a great chance to hire a former CEO with experience on mobile phones: http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/17/8796055/stephen-elop-mark-penn-leave-microsoft18:56
XiphI can't see the version number18:56
Xiphit only says Version18:56
Yaniellol ln-18:56
TemeVXiph: what's the output of ssu release18:57
XiphDevice release is currently: 1.1.6.2718:58
TemeV1.1.6.27 is the latest update18:58
Xiphbut that might be becaus I tried: ssu releasse 1.1.6.2718:58
TemeVyeah, that changes that18:58
Xiphas in https://together.jolla.com/question/96088/cannot-start-os-update/18:58
TemeVI guess that could break the gui way of upgrading18:59
Xiphwell, the gui was already broken18:59
Xiphthat's why I tried doing this18:59
TemeVthen you should do version --dup to actually get the update18:59
Xiphit says command not found18:59
TemeVas root?19:00
Xiphyes19:00
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MikaelaI think it's supposed to be ran as nemo and then it asks for password and does what it should19:01
XiphI've tried both as nemo and root19:01
Mikaelaor at least Jolla Care told me to run it once to see if I was missing any packages19:01
Mikaela:(19:01
TemeVThen you have something really wrong there19:01
Xiphcan it be because I removed aptoid folder?19:01
Xiphin home directory19:02
XiphI uninstalled it first and then removed the folder19:02
TemeVno, it shouldn't cause that (I think)19:02
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TemeVXiph: pkcon search name sailfish-version19:13
TemeVwhat does that say?19:13
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pdanekHello19:46
pdanekVOIP/SIP should be integrated into Jolla caller soon, right?19:46
pdanekWhich VOIP/SIP service would you recommend if I want to start using it already? (with Android app) and later configure in Jolla dialer?19:46
pdanekI suppose Skype and Viber outcall won't be supported.19:47
Mikaelalinphone19:47
Nicd-soon™19:47
Mikaelanight19:48
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XiphTemeV: Available       sailfish-version-1.1.4-10.27.29.jolla.noarch    SailfishOS 1.1.4.29 (release)20:07
XiphAvailable       sailfish-version-doc-1.1.4-10.27.29.jolla.noarch        SailfishOS 1.1.4.29 (release)20:07
TemeVXiph: so for some reason it is not installed. Try to install it20:08
TemeV(btw, I don't give any guarantee for my instructions) :p20:09
TemeVpkcon install sailfish-version20:09
Xiphhmm20:09
Xiphis that really latest version?20:10
Xiphisn't it 1.1.6.2720:10
TemeVnope, but that's the version you need20:10
TemeV(I guess)20:10
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TemeVwhen you do version --dup you'll get 1.1.6 of that package too20:11
Xiphwell, I suppose have to confirm with Jolla care first20:11
Xiphdon't wanna brick it :/20:12
Xiphthanks for your time though20:12
TemeVYou won't brick it, there is always recovery20:12
TemeVmight lose data though if you need to factory reset20:12
pdanekJolla warranty is 1 year or 2 years?20:12
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TemeVXiph: but yes, care is of course the right way to go :)20:13
Xiphbtw, if I go to Settings->About product20:14
TemeVI'm just usually too unpatient to ask for help the official way :)20:14
Xiphit says Sailfish OS: Unknown version20:14
pdanekMikaela: Linphone doesn't seem to provide outcall service, I need SIP/VOIP which can call external phone numbers around the world, like Skype or Viber outcall.20:14
TemeVXiph: propably because you did ssu release 1.1.6.2720:15
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Xiphyes, probably20:16
Xiphdamn it...20:16
TemeVbut my guess is if you install back sailfish-version and then do version --dup you'll get you update20:16
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XiphTemeV: I changed back to 1.1.4.29 and installed sailfish-version as you said20:20
Xiphran version --dup20:21
Xiphand now it seems to work20:21
Xiphgot notification about new release and latest apps in store20:21
Xiphthanks a bunch20:21
TemeVgreat. Now the interesting question is, how did that package disappear in the first place... :)20:21
Xiphyes, that is strange20:22
XiphI didn't even know about it. so I don't think I could have uninstalled it by misstake20:23
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mondialif you do a factory reset do you need to upgrade to the latest in steps or can you force directly to the latest?21:06
TemeVmondial: there is step or two on the way21:07
TemeVIirc from 1.0.4 you can update straight to the latest21:08
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mondialso from 1.0.4+ i can do an "ssu re 1.1.6.27 && version --dup" ?21:10
TemeVMaybe. Using the gui is the safe choise, it will use the correct short cuts21:11
TemeVBut if you really want to upgrade via terminal, google first how it should go21:12
mondial@TemeV tnx for the hint...21:14
TemeVnp21:14
mondiali'll stick with the gui21:15
chem|stmondial: gui is the safe way, and do not install or do anything else but upgrade first21:15
mondialalso fun to see the changes again between releases21:16
mondial:-)21:17
mondiali got a tar of my home/nemo dir that a made during release 1.1.4.29 should i restore to this one first to restore it?21:18
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TemeVmondial: that is a bit more difficult question...21:22
mondialthat's why i ask here ;-)21:23
TemeVI would at least remove all that "looks like a system stuff" from the backup21:23
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TemeVThough, you can't lose much by trying21:24
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TemeVworst case is you do another factory reset21:24
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mondialindeed @TemeV... i hope all goes well ... I need more sleep and less coffee :-p21:26
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chem|stmondial: bad idea to just revert to last used home (own experience) - you can overwrite some settings and stuff but funny or not so funny things may happen when you do it on a live system as it will probably overwrite already running (in IO state) db-files an what not...22:41
mondialjep i put my old nemo file next to the new one and will move only the things i need22:42
chem|stget familiar with what is what in your tar file and decide step by step what to recover and maybe think about doing it from recovery-shell instead of live system22:43
chem|stand it is a good idea to do that on the same version as you have done the tar from22:43
mondialyes just copied the old dir via netcat on recovery-shell to speed things up22:44
mondialssh over the wifi takes 4ever...22:45
mondialthe .vault dir are only the files from the jolla backup utility?22:46
mondialwould it also be best to install all apps firts before i restore my home?22:50
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