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Sail0rhttps://together.jolla.com/question/97626/bug-poor-sound-quality-via-bluetooth-with-pioneer-f40bt/ any suggestions to debug this?07:59
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birdzhangThey may not walkup yeat08:18
birdzhang:)08:19
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KabouikHi there. Can't anyone help me choosing between Mitakuuluu and Whatsupp for the Jolla? I've never had the need for such app because I had unlimited texts in my subscriptions, and now that I need it I see these two rather similar apps09:18
Kabouiksubscription*09:18
TemeVKabouik: Mitakuuluu is still in pre pre release phase afaik, Whatsupp might be more stable09:19
entilKabouik: be noted that if you're caught using a 3rd party client, you'll be blocked09:20
KabouikAlright, thanks TemeV! And will Mitakuuluu bring additional features, eventually? I've read somewhere that Whatsapp conception of privacy was somewhat questionnable, I wonder if there are compatible alternatives09:20
KabouikI guess I'll be an outlaw then :P09:21
entiland if they get axolotl rolled out to everyone and if they keep it clean they'll still see your metadata09:21
KabouikWhat do they see/save/archive exactly? The content of messages sent/received?09:22
entilyeah09:22
KabouikThat's lame09:22
entilaxolotl is completely safe, but they're still working on it09:23
KabouikOne day they'll sell everything to Google ads. :<09:23
entilat least last I heard about it09:23
TemeVKabouik: Telegram seems less evil, though not much more trust worthy09:23
tadzikKabouik: Mitakuuluu got a bunch of people banned for using a 3rdparty clients09:23
entilthey're using it for your facebook data, they can suggest friends of friends based on your whatsapp traffic etc09:23
tadzikWhatsup is using an old protocol from some old supported phone, so undetectable09:23
entiltadzik: wut, it was the old protocol that got mitakuuluu busted09:24
tadzikwut09:24
ottuloentil: nope09:24
TemeVentil: no, it was new protocol implemented wrong09:24
ottuloMitakuuluu was posing as Android09:24
entilah09:24
entilI stand corrected09:24
ottuloWhatsup is using an even older protocol09:24
TemeVadvertising newer protocol than actually using or something like that09:24
entilok, got it09:24
TemeVWhatsup is using protocol from some Symbian phone afaik09:25
KabouikHum. And how do you see when you're blocked, is there a clear message or just an fuzzy error message?09:25
entilanyway, faq, the safest thing you can use is textsecure09:25
entila very clear error message09:25
entiland you need to use an android email client to send them an email to ask to be unblocked and they made it clear you can do this one (1) time09:25
KabouikI don't like them, already.09:25
tadzikfwiw, whatsup works for me, while Jollagram is stuck on "registering" forever and ever09:26
tadzikand cannot be shut down09:26
tadzikas for "whatsup or telegram"09:26
Nicd-tox would be nice but it's still not usable09:26
KabouikI'm trying to install Whatsup just now but Warehouse doesn't respond. I don't know why, can't even maximize Warehouse, I only see the unresonding cover.09:27
tadzikin other news, xmpp just works09:27
entilI don't see the telegram hype, it's not secure by default and the server is closed source, but maybe it's because of the desktop client etc usability-related stuff09:27
Nicd-I wish xmpp was usable :P09:27
tadzikis it not?09:27
tadzikat least it's working in the messages app09:27
Nicd-last time I tried with my wife's iPhone, all the clients were terrible09:27
tadzikinstead of having a dedicated app for someone's bragging rights09:27
TemeVentil: it is much more usable than Whatsapp. It is not about security09:27
entilI use android textsecure, can't be arsed to develop my own stuff now09:27
politiedesktop app makes telegram the winner09:28
tadzikI don't see why people are excited to have an app for every single messaging service09:28
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KabouikI've got a related question. A friend of mine from another country apparently can't send texts to me, or she can, but they never will be delivered. I can receive texts from other people of her country, and she can send text to other people of mine. What could be wrong? Of course we double checked the numbers. She receives my texts.09:28
entilthe mitakuuluu ui was really fucking amazingly good09:28
Kabouik(That's the reason why I need Whatsup now)09:28
tadzikit's beautiful that I can message someone and not have to worry if they're currently connected to xmpp, whatsup, telegram or whatever, and launch 5 apps to check that09:28
tadzikas I user, I don't give a flying fuck, just let me send a message to them09:28
entilKabouik: you can also suck it up and install the android version09:29
tadzikbut no, let's have one app each09:29
tadzik*sigh*09:29
TemeVtelepathy-morse <309:29
TemeV(telepathy plugin for telegram)09:29
tadzikso it exists!09:29
tadzikjolla pls09:29
tadzikor, isn't that party actually opensource?09:29
KabouikI'd prefer native UI entil, but yeah that's my last resort09:30
politieTemeV does it have file sending?09:30
KabouikXmpp would be good too. How does it work actually, what do I have to do? We both create accounts and that's all?09:30
entilI feel that, but you are aware of the risks now with safety and security, so make your own choices ;)09:30
TemeVpolitie: not yet09:30
tadzikKabouik: yes09:30
tadzikon whatever server you want09:30
tadzikincluding your own09:30
TemeVpolitie: but the developer is working on it09:30
KabouikAny recommendations (not my own, not skilled enough)?09:30
tadzikI use dukgo.com, from duckduckgo09:30
tadzikit works09:31
politieTemeV, ok but it probably works better than jollagram right?09:31
entilif I ever find the time to pick up on textsecure again, I guess it'd help to look into telepathy09:31
TemeVI haven't tried Jollagram for ages09:31
StskeepsKabouik: used apple before?09:31
entilbut the mitakuuluu ui is so great for it :P09:31
KabouikNever Stskeeps09:31
TemeVbut telepathy-morse just works :)09:31
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tadzikTemeV: have you tried it on jolla?09:31
TemeV(except the things that don't work)09:31
politiei gotta give it a try09:31
TemeVtadzik: I'm using it as my main messenger in Jolla since couple of monts09:31
tadzikTemeV: did you build it yourself, or there's a package?09:32
TemeVbuilt it my self09:32
tadzikand it just magically plugs in into the accounts system and messages app?09:32
TemeVnot really :)09:32
tadzikbut can it be done? :)09:32
TemeVhave to create the account on command line09:32
tadzikStskeeps: what can we do to help ^ get into official sfos builds?09:33
TemeVbut after that, it integrates nicely besides the accounts page in settings09:33
KabouikWhat's the pro over xmpp? Sorry but I now all these package names but I never had any need for them, so never compared09:33
politieare there instruction to install it?09:33
politiesomewhere09:33
tadzikKabouik: xmpp doesn't really do server-side history09:33
tadzikso each device you use has a different conversation history09:33
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KabouikOh so both people have to be connected at the same time to communicate tadzik, as opposed to Whatsapp, right?09:33
Stskeepstadzik: wait for us to open source stuff09:33
Stskeeps:P09:33
tadzikit's really the only disadvantage of it, as far as a chatting user is concerned09:33
tadzikKabouik: oh, no09:34
tadzikKabouik: the awaiting messages will arrive to the first client that connects09:34
tadzikKabouik: just if you use xmpp on both phone and computer, each will have a different history09:34
KabouikOk, sounds good enough for me then, I'll only use one device09:34
ggabrieltadzik: isn't server side history a feature that may or may not be implemented? i remember seeing it some time ago in some server somewhere09:34
tadzikso a conversations you had on your phone won't show up on your computer09:34
tadzikggabriel: there's a XEP I think09:34
ggabriel(it was cool to access your history from any device)09:34
tadzikI've also never seen a server or client that implements it09:34
tadziktkabber probably does, since it implements all the things :)09:35
ggabrielnot recently, no09:35
tadzikI'm quite excited about http://matrix.org/09:35
ggabrieli can live without, but i remmeber seeing it09:35
KabouikPidgin is the only way to create an xmpp account on dukgo.com? I see no online form.09:35
tadzikit has a nice protocol too09:35
tadzikKabouik: there's usually no online form09:35
tadzikjust get any xmpp client09:35
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tadzikpidgin is one option, not sure if sailfish's xmpp client can register accounts09:36
ggabrielit couldn't last time i checked09:36
ggabrielor even add new contacts09:36
tadzikheh09:36
KabouikI will need to tell her how to register an xmpp account from Android. Do you have any idea how she would do that?09:36
ggabrielhaving said that, it's the best xmpp client in the mobile market09:36
ggabrielxmpp clients in adroid are tricky09:36
tadzikKabouik: android clients probably have that option09:37
tadzik(some of them anyway)09:37
ggabrielwell, in ios too09:37
ggabriel99% of them do man in the middle09:37
tadziklol09:37
ggabrieli use beam, which is bearely usable and not sure if it's free09:37
ggabriel(comes with company phone)09:37
Kabouik(Matrix sounds interesting tadzik)09:37
tadzikI used beem (?) from f-droid (?)09:37
tadzikgf at that time was using... xabber I think?09:38
ggabrieltadzik: excellent, so it's free :)09:38
tadzikas in freedom *and* beer :P09:38
ggabrielwell, as you can get it for free09:38
ggabrielclosed source ofc09:38
ggabrielbut i did tcpdump it ;)09:38
tadzikStskeeps: do I remember wrong that there was some part of social-api-stuff that was open?09:38
KabouikNot sure Matrix is mature enough to be used (the Android app), and I wonder if someone is working on a Sailfish port09:38
ggabrielit didn't "call home"09:38
Stskeepstadzik: it is09:38
tadzikStskeeps: which one is that, for sharing?09:39
Stskeepshmm SfietKonstantinW might know09:39
tadzikKabouik: no idea, I use it with weechat plugin09:39
tadzikbut the api is clean and sweet, if you want to team up to do the telepathy implementation please poke me :)09:39
KabouikHmm I guess Alien Dalvik is not compatible with Matrix, can't see it in the Play store09:40
tadzikit may not be in play store at all :)09:41
tadzikit's quite Work In Progress09:41
tadzikhttps://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-android-sdk/tree/master here's something09:41
KabouikIt ishttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.matrix.androidsdk.alpha09:41
KabouikIt is https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.matrix.androidsdk.alpha09:41
tadzikoh, so it's there09:42
tadzikI'll poke the guys about the compatibility09:42
KabouikBut can't see it from the Jolla, I guess it's a problem with Dalvik (there was another app that was not listed last time I checked, and it was because it was only available to latest Android version)09:42
tadzikKabouik: I see it in play store on jolla09:42
tadzikI searched for "matrix console"09:43
SfietKonstantinWStskeeps: hum ?09:43
SfietKonstantinWnemo-qml-plugin-social is OSS as well as buteo sync stuff09:43
KabouikI still don't see it tadzik, weird09:43
tadzikvery weird09:43
SfietKonstantinWhttps://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugins-social + https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-social09:43
SfietKonstantinWfor those interested (sorry to have missed the highlight)09:44
tadzikKabouik: maybe I can find an apk on my device and send it to you somehow09:46
KabouikOh, yeah why not tadzik, thanks09:46
tadzikI wonder where it lives09:46
Kabouik/data/apps, something like that, right?09:46
KabouikBesides, I've created an XMPP account using Jolla's account UI, but I don't really know how to add a contact or how to use this account to send a new message.09:47
tadzikKabouik: I think I found it, now how do I share it...09:47
KabouikI'm still puzzled about why I can't see the same things as you in the store09:47
tadzikyeah, it's odd09:48
KabouikI'll give you an email address in MP09:48
tadzikalrighty09:48
ggabrieldoes anybody use uber here?09:57
Helleno, I don't like dealing with companies that blatently violate the law09:58
politieyou dont like goverments09:58
* ggabriel was kind of looking for confirmation that it now needs google services, wasn't willing to start an argument :P09:59
politietoo late now09:59
tadzikggabriel: I did use it09:59
tadzikit worked before for me, then it stopped after some update09:59
tadziknow it asks me for a password on launch, and I forgot it, so problem solved :P10:00
* pp bought a MSFT product, should I feel dirty?-)10:00
ggabrielthanks tadzik10:00
ggabrielpp: hopefully with company money10:00
tadzikas for law-breaking, it is kind of amusing that taxis get so angry at them10:00
ppno, my own, http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/48015/frdgv/Microsoft-DC-21-varavirtalahde-oranssi#BVRRWidgetID10:00
tadzikif they didn't suck so much uber won't be as popular10:00
politiethey better just join the winning team10:01
ggabrielpp: i assume you boutght hte battery10:01
ppworks perfectly with my jolla :-)10:01
Helletadzik: hint, taxis need to be insured and drivers need to take additional training, this is what makes a taxi more expensive, using a private vehicle for commercial services is against atleast my insurance policy10:01
tadzikHelle: it's not about the price so much as it is about the service10:01
ggabrielHelle: you forget that laws are different in different countries10:02
ggabrielin hte UK, you have to be a minicab to be able to be an uber dribvre10:02
ggabrieldriver even10:02
tadzikit's more convenient to press a button on your phone and have a car arrive than call a few companies to see who's nearby10:02
Helleggabriel: yes and Uber is illegal in mine :)10:02
Helletadzik: regular taxi service here offers that10:02
ggabrielnot that minicab drivers get a bit of extra training10:02
ggabrielbut baby steps...10:02
tadzikalso you don't have to carry money around or risk that their credit card terminal won't work10:02
HelleUber is just people who want to make a few bucks and don't care about the law10:02
ggabrielnah, you're generalising10:03
ggabrielthere are a lot of good folks driving uber cars10:03
ggabrieland they are very nice indeed10:03
tadzikthe ones I talked to are mostly post-taxi-drivers10:03
tadzikthey switched to Uber because it treats them better10:03
ggabrielthere are very bad proper-taxi drivers too10:03
ggabrielthey may have extra training and more insurance, they're still bad10:04
ggabrielbut not all of them10:04
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tadzikuber drivers have an incentive to be nice too, because of the stars thing10:04
Nicd-if you want to pay out of your ass to get a driver who is speeding, doesn't use a seatbelt and doesn't indicate, take a taxi! :)10:04
Nicd-that's my experience of Finnish taxis10:04
tadzikwell, Ubers I rode were speeding too :)10:05
ggabrielNicd-: to be fair, are you not generalising too much? :)10:05
tadzikfrom my perspetive it's not so much about a lower price as it is about the superior service10:05
tadzikand taxi corps should stop bitching and get better10:05
tadzikbut that's just my opinion10:05
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ggabrielmy opinion is that they should all have a native sfos application10:06
ggabrieland failing that, an android one that does _not_ depend on google services10:06
ggabrielat least i'd take taxis more often10:06
ggabrielnow i have to spend all that money i save in beer10:06
ggabrielshocking10:06
tadzikdoesn't the beer taste bad after you take the money out?10:10
ggabrielbeer never tastes bad10:10
leinirunless you don't really like beer ;)10:11
pp:-)10:11
leinirhttps://xkcd.com/1534/10:11
ggabrielhehe10:11
ggabrielacquired taste maybe10:11
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Sail0rStskeeps: do you know of a way to debug bluez? And which A2DP codecs are selected between handshake or playing?11:02
StskeepsSail0r: i would usually tell you to talk to hannu mallat but he's on vacation right now .. :)11:03
Sail0rdamn :D11:03
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ppwireshark!11:05
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TheBootroo|workohai11:12
TheBootroo|workany update about Tablet shipping date for pre-orders on Indiegogo ?11:12
TheBootroo|workis the new screen adaption going well / done ? or are there still release blockers ?11:13
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Sail0rpp: but first I need to enable tracing somehow11:24
Sail0rmaybe just place a bt_stack.conf in /etc/bluetooth and hope for it to be honored11:25
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Nicd-jolla has a week of time to release their new SFOS partner11:26
Stskeepsfrom the dungeon?11:26
Nicd-well, release info about11:26
Nicd-because they promised to do it before summer holidays11:26
ppthey have offices in asia too, those guys have close to zero holidays!11:27
Stskeepsbrisbane summer?11:27
Stskeeps:P11:27
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kimmoliaccording to rumors , new partner is FSB ?11:33
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Temewhich rumors11:38
ggabrielTeme: it's in the mi6 newsletter11:38
ggabrielI wish I could give you a link, but it's classified :P11:39
TheBootroo|workggabriel: are you sure, i saw it on the CIA Twitter account....11:39
ggabrielwell, it's news, so many agencies will spread the rumour ;)11:39
TheBootroo|workany news about the hardware part of the tablet ?11:40
TheBootroo|workbecause AFAIK, SFOS is just about software11:40
politiepentium 411:40
TheBootroo|workthat blog post about screen changes is it really coming someday ?$11:40
politierumors say11:40
TheBootroo|workpolitie: pentium 4 screen ? SRSLY :D11:41
ggabrielTheBootroo|work: check the blog or the website?11:41
politiehaha11:41
ggabrielit's going to be a crt screen or something11:41
politielatest and greatest11:41
politie22" crt11:41
ggabrielmonochrome11:41
politieofcourse11:41
* ggabriel thinks that the tablet should one day arrived, without preambles, as a surprise11:42
Temeggabriel: damn :P11:42
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AcceI would be so glad about such surprise... but it would need to be before 23th of July11:42
KabouikI can't seem to receive the sms code with Whatsup, whatever the way I format the country code and phone number (+33 or 0033 or 33, and phone number starting with 0 or not)11:42
KabouikWhat am I doing wrong?11:43
politiedid you try all thos formats?11:44
KabouikYes11:44
TemeVKabouik: did you try with android whatsapp11:46
KabouikNo TemeV, it's not installed and I'd like to avoid that11:46
TheBootroo|worklatest update about Jolla Tablet on Jolla Blog is 23 april11:46
TheBootroo|workall others post are about ambiences contest, latsu case or new partners on software11:47
Kabouik(And by the way I tried creating an xmpp account using Pidgin on dukgo.com server, as advised here, but Pidgin will never activate the account, I don't know what is wrong. Is dukgo.com down?)11:47
TemeVI wonder if this still works https://coderus.openrepos.net/whitesoft/whatsapp_sms11:47
TemeVKabouik: and did you try the voice option?11:48
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KabouikSorry, I had to change WiFi network, hope I haven't missed a reply11:52
Armadilloyou didn't ;)11:53
KabouikI actually hoped I had missed one and someone would repeat :p11:53
inzMy irc client does not have seconds shown, 48-52 would fit within 246 seconds11:54
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backjlackWhat's going on with the tablet deliveries?14:01
backjlackThere hasn't been an update for a long time and things aren't looking good at all.14:03
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SfietKonstantinWsome info would be great14:04
backjlackYeah, I've talked to a few friends and we'll be asking for refunds soon.14:06
backjlack~15 tablets14:07
locusfdid you check the blog?14:07
locusfit says end of July14:07
backjlackEnd of July what?14:08
ggabriel31st july14:08
ggabrieldelivery14:08
backjlackHah, that's so convenient.14:08
ggabrielnot sure what other update people need14:08
ggabrielit's been announced ages ago14:08
backjlackThat's basically a delivery in August.14:08
ggabrielwell, it says end of july == 31st july14:08
ggabrielit could be delayed again of course but that hasn't been announced14:08
chem|stbackjlack: what are you on about, it is crowdfunding, if it isn't 2 months late there is something wrong14:09
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TheBootroo|workggabriel: well, hope they won't wait 31st of july to announce another delay14:09
ggabrielTheBootroo|work: in fairness to jolla, they announced the delay from may to end of july with plenty of time14:09
TheBootroo|workand a small news telling "all is going well, we'll be on time"  wouldn't hurt14:09
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backjlackI really don't care it's crowdfunding. You need to tell people what's going on.14:09
ggabrieldebatable14:09
backjlackYou've already taken their money.14:09
TheBootroo|workbackjlack: +114:10
ggabrielerm... but they told us14:10
ggabrielor you expect an hour-by-hour report?14:10
chem|stbackjlack: we are one month away from "announced" delivery...14:10
TheBootroo|workggabriel: he means keeping us tuned and i agree14:10
ggabrielwell, if you had an hour-by-hour report, you will then want a minute-by-minute14:10
backjlackHour by hour?14:10
SfietKonstantinWI'm sure cybette is preparing a blog post14:10
backjlackHow about at least every 15 days?14:10
ggabrielyes14:10
TheBootroo|work1 post by month at least14:10
* ggabriel rests his case14:10
ggabrieland lols14:10
backjlackThat would be better than we're doing stuff, but we can't bother to tell you.14:11
TheBootroo|workSfietKonstantinW: i hope so, last one is dated from 23st April14:11
TheBootroo|workexcept for the ambience contest14:11
SfietKonstantinWyep that's a bit old14:11
backjlackYou know what? I'm going to go for a refund now.14:11
SfietKonstantinWthis do not count :(14:11
TheBootroo|worknope it doesn't14:11
backjlackThis exchange has proven that the company couldn't care less.14:11
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chem|stbackjlack: there is no refund on indiegogo14:11
TheBootroo|workbackjlack: for my part i'm waiting half-july to see14:11
locusfhttps://youtu.be/hFDcoX7s6rE <- people wqiting for the tablet or tohkbd214:12
chem|styou have the standard return policy if you are in europe but thats about it14:12
Plntbackjlack: most of the people here are jolla fans, not from the company. so they are not voicing jolla's opinions, just their owns.14:12
TheBootroo|worklocusf: wow, good reference !14:12
chem|sta "sorry I could not wait for it" refund is not gonna happen14:12
backjlackA legal complaint will be as good.14:13
chem|stbackjlack: legal? read the terms you signed up with at indiegogo...14:14
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TheBootroo|workoops, he leaved14:14
SfietKonstantinW:(14:14
SfietKonstantinWtoo bad14:14
politietheres plenty others that'll take those 15 tablets14:15
TheBootroo|workpersonnaly i'm not as upset as he is, but i've some money issues so if i spent my money for something not coming soon, i'll pissed off in final14:15
chem|st"we ordered 15 tablets from a crowdfunding platform, and as soon as they are late I call my mummy to call my lawyer to have him tell me that I signed terms that leave me waiting"14:15
SfietKonstantinW:(14:15
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SfietKonstantinWTheBootroo|work: that's a real problem14:16
PlntTheBootroo|work: i guess that he's in pressure from his friends whom he ordered the tablets for..14:16
TheBootroo|workif they told from the start that the tablet would come for let's say Xmas, i would have waited14:16
TheBootroo|worki pre ordered because i wanted to have it in may as told at beginning14:17
TheBootroo|worki had projects14:17
TheBootroo|worknow i'm just waiting, without fresh news14:17
chem|stTheBootroo|work: highly subjective... I hit rock bottom in december last year... 600eur in crowdfunding I have not received a single one yet, so I recover within the black since May14:17
TheBootroo|workjolla folks are good guys, with good product but really really bad communication skills14:17
cb400fah, like the rest of the foss community >;-)14:18
SfietKonstantinWTheBootroo|work: they are simply introspect finns :)14:18
SfietKonstantinWcb400f: you have a point too :)14:18
TheBootroo|workSfietKonstantinW: lol14:18
TheBootroo|workcb400f: except that not all community is crowfunding "transparent/do it together" products14:19
TheBootroo|workin this aspect, Jolla MUST be the most transparent as possible14:19
TheBootroo|workwhen announcing the delay in april, the blog post said "If you’re a Jolla Tablet contributor, you’ll receive an email about the next steps very soon."14:20
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TheBootroo|worki'm a contributor, and i don't have visibly the same definition of "VERY soon"14:20
TheBootroo|workfor me very soon is about one week or two14:21
TheBootroo|worknot 2 monthes still nothing14:21
TheBootroo|workalso in same post comments "We are publishing a tablet hardware update post soon here on the blog, "14:21
TheBootroo|workthis time not "very soon" but still "soon"14:21
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TheBootroo|workYet-To-Be-Seen-But-Very-Soon14:22
TheBootroo|work(TM)14:22
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TheBootroo|workby respect for the community that support them, they should try not to reproduce the same issues that were on the phone release14:23
TheBootroo|work@ Jolla : learn from your past, else one day, people that support will learn from theirs not to trust you anymore14:23
TheBootroo|workand the little boat will sink14:23
TheBootroo|worki say that without anger14:24
ggabrieland what would those people do? go to apple which is more expensive and less reliable?14:24
ggabrielor to go google who don't really care about anything?14:24
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politienokia14:24
TheBootroo|workggabriel: nope, those people would have hard time finding correct product, but at least they would have something14:24
ggabrielfwiw, the phone didn't sell very well and a lot of people preferred to port sailfish to a cheap android device, so there you go14:24
ggabrielsomething like what?14:24
ggabriela tizen device?14:25
TheBootroo|workbad product still > no product (or hypotheticly superiour unreleased product)14:25
grzywaczthat ^14:25
ggabrielall you need to do re the tablet is wait14:25
ggabrielthey said 31st july14:25
ggabrielit's a lot better if jolla focus on delivery than on reporting to an impatient subset of the community/backers14:25
ggabrielsorry, they said end of july, i say 31st of july to be on the safe side14:26
TheBootroo|workggabriel: one small post per months isn't delaying the release14:26
SfietKonstantinW+1 TheBootroo|work14:26
ggabrielyes, it delays it for as long as the post takes to write, revise and so on14:26
TheBootroo|workgiven that the ones who talk to community aren't the technical persons who are working hard on the last bugs14:26
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SfietKonstantinWas usual though, just like for the release of the phone14:26
TheBootroo|workSfietKonstantinW: sadly yes, history repeats itself14:26
SfietKonstantinWan update on dev loaning program could be nice too14:26
ggabrielTheBootroo|work: and how do you know that?14:26
SfietKonstantinWTheBootroo|work: I call this: lack of manpower14:27
SfietKonstantinWor auto-censorship ? (don't talk about something that is not ready yet)14:27
TheBootroo|workanyway i AM trusty jolla still, because others are way worse, but there no evil asking/dreaming for better14:27
SfietKonstantinWcome on, the phone was not ready, but people liked it14:27
SfietKonstantinWTheBootroo|work: indeed14:27
SfietKonstantinWI'm waiting opensource too14:27
ggabrieli had a much better time with the "unready" jolla than with my latest android to be fair14:27
SfietKonstantinWalthough less impatiently, but I think that this will help them open their communication more14:28
TheBootroo|workSfietKonstantinW: yeah and people prefer "we are 10%", then "20%", etc, than "we are 20%" since monthes14:28
TheBootroo|work*because it looks like stuck14:28
SfietKonstantinWTheBootroo|work: yah indeed14:28
TheBootroo|worksmall progress must be shown, because there is progress14:28
TheBootroo|workggabriel: me too14:28
SfietKonstantinWI monitor their work through git commits though14:28
SfietKonstantinW+ also the schedule14:28
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: i was going to suggest that...14:29
SfietKonstantinWthat is something quite good14:29
Stskeepsa lot of the work on it is also SW fwiw, which we do try to push a lot of info on..14:29
ggabrielalthough i imagine there is plenty of work on the ui stuff14:29
TheBootroo|workSfietKonstantinW: schedule is quite bad14:29
TheBootroo|workSfietKonstantinW: unless they got a huge speedup in july they WON'T be ready for 31st14:29
ggabrielTheBootroo|work: that's a bold statement14:29
TheBootroo|workggabriel: just look at the status of schedule wiki14:30
ggabrieli won't second guess jolla14:30
TheBootroo|worki just hope they have no time to update it,14:30
ggabrielas i don't know them14:30
TheBootroo|workand it doesn't reflect up to date status14:30
ggabrielperhaps14:30
ggabrielit won't kill me if the tablet gets delayed again fwiw14:30
SfietKonstantinWTheBootroo|work: schedule is quite bad, granted, but at least we can see what to expect.14:31
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TheBootroo|workggabriel: i won't kill me neither but i would be REALLY disappointed, and i would not risk money for a third product14:31
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: let's see for the next release14:31
Stskeepsmeanwhile, supreme court in US refuses to review the Oracle-Google API case..14:32
SfietKonstantinWStskeeps: I don't know which camp to choose for this case14:33
SfietKonstantinWhonestly14:33
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TheBootroo|workat the sight of what's is still TODO in roadmap, i would say that most of them could come in v2.1, after the tablet is shipped, in order to speed up things a little bit14:34
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ggabrielStskeeps: shame, google deserves a blow ;-)14:36
ggabrielbut there's been so much dancing around that subject that nothing would surprise me14:36
SfietKonstantinWTheBootroo|work: yep14:37
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: Oracle deserves a blow too14:37
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SfietKonstantinWthey are just doing some non-concurrencial stuff14:37
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jgdxlpotter, hey, I have a question about running the libqofono tests in 0.79. Are you using a script to stop/start ofono?14:39
ggabrielas somebody else put it, at least oracle never pretended to be your friend ;-)14:39
ggabrielalso, oracle got a blow recently so gg14:39
TheBootroo|workjust to conclude on this : i'm not asking for having my hands on my tablet tomorow, but just some official words on how things are going on, and if there are still release blockers or just some normal dev work14:40
jgdxlpotter, also, what ofono phonesim ver do you use, since you're able to test the radiosettings interface? :)14:41
* Stskeeps watches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jayTknqC2uc14:41
TheBootroo|workStskeeps: wow the background is hurting my eyes, can't watch more14:42
chem|stTheBootroo|work: I doubt that things not flagged done in roadmap will be in before 2.014:42
StskeepsTheBootroo|work: modern DRM14:43
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TheBootroo|workmaybe i'd a little bit more patient if i could try SFOS 2.0 on my phone already14:54
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chem|stTheBootroo|work: you have sfos2.0 on your phone already15:02
Yanielmost of it anyway15:02
ggabrielStskeeps: that guy was angry, was he expecting a jolla tablet in may too? :)15:03
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TheBootroo|workchem|st: well not really15:06
TheBootroo|workby SFOS i mean new lockscreen, new event view, new enhanced ambience profiles15:06
TheBootroo|workupdated middleware means not much if UI is not updated15:06
chem|stTheBootroo|work: it is closer to 2.0 as you think15:07
TheBootroo|workjust hope that by the time i finally get the tablet, the phone will be updated with same ui, else it'll be really hard to get used to the tablet ergonomic changes if the phone still has the old ones15:08
Stskeepsone code line.15:08
TheBootroo|workwhere is the secret invisible switch ?15:08
TemeVone line of code would be cooler :)15:08
TheBootroo|workshowSailfish2Magic: true  in QML ?15:09
chem|stwhat happens UI wise? cover-actions get degraded to pulls, lockscreen gets swipe gestures added, peek-view gets degraded to statusbar and global events-view gesture gets degraded to global launcher15:09
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TheBootroo|workchem|st: not only15:09
TheBootroo|workevent view gets more info15:09
TheBootroo|workmuch cleaner15:09
chem|st*cover-actions become buttons...15:10
chem|stTheBootroo|work: events-view is events-view, not exactly a 2.0 'feature'15:10
chem|stif it be working properly we'd have it already...15:10
TheBootroo|workchem|st: anyway, shown to MWC as the "new event view"15:10
chem|stso you are waiting for an app-upgrade and not the UI15:11
chem|stand *cleaner? it is getting much mor populated that is the opposite of *clean!15:12
TheBootroo|workchem|st: yeah but it got groups/categories/sections, which is clean15:15
TheBootroo|workit will surely look much better on tablet than on phone but it will be cool on both15:15
TheBootroo|workbut i hope i can get rid of this stupid "Take a selfie" link15:15
TheBootroo|workSelfie is just the most stupidly narcissic thing of the century, i don't want to have it in my view field15:16
TheBootroo|worki understand the need for jolla to sound "hype" but don't forget to be also "unlike"15:17
TheBootroo|workselfie-phones are dumb bullshit15:17
ggabrielso much hate, man :)15:17
ggabrielsometimes you do need to be in the picture, at least to remember what you looked like x years ago ;)15:18
kjetilhoI think the Sony Ericsson t610 was the first selfie-hone15:18
TheBootroo|workggabriel: why not being in the picture whilst not being THE picture of you own15:19
kjetilho*phone.  it came with a tiny tiny mirror you could fit just next to the camera :)15:19
TheBootroo|worknow on selfies you got to ask yourself what the man/girl wanted to show, and generally, it's his/her face and that's all15:19
TheBootroo|workand when i see all the stupid people who gained darwin award-winning stupid death caused by selfie, i can't help but laugh15:20
kjetilhoselfies show what you are doing.  they are ephemeral by their nature.15:20
TheBootroo|worknatural selection dudes15:21
TheBootroo|worknature is eliminating non-viable specimens15:21
TheBootroo|worklike that girl who climbed on top of a train and touched electrical wires with her selfie stick15:22
TheBootroo|workor the couple that felt down in a helm because they where too close to the border while taking selfie FROM BEHINF15:23
TheBootroo|work*behing15:23
TheBootroo|workhow stupid is this ?15:23
TheBootroo|work"look i'm just in front of this huge and deep whole and i OOOOOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIIT"15:23
TheBootroo|work* stupid couple rage quitted *15:24
TheBootroo|workthat's sad for the children who where taking the picture15:24
TheBootroo|workthat's all15:24
TheBootroo|workggabriel: i'm not really hateful, just annoyed as hell15:25
TheBootroo|workstupid people dying stupidly doing stupid thing do not deserve a blog post15:25
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ggabrielTheBootroo|work: well, ok, gotcha15:29
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chem|stat least there is an award for it15:57
chem|st*new achievement unlocked* - maybe we can get those stupid people to actually want a darwin award!15:58
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attahHas anyone else been missing remorse/finished bar for downloads since last update? (can't see anything on tjc)18:49
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HarhaanJohtajaattah: same thing here18:57
attahHarhaanJohtaja: Thanks! So TJC post it is then.18:57
attahNvm.. there was one!18:58
attahhttps://together.jolla.com/question/95912/bug-no-finished-download-notification-since-11627/18:58
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attahapparently i failed at keywords until i tried to decide on a heading for the post18:59
HarhaanJohtajahttps://together.jolla.com/question/95912/bug-no-finished-download-notification-since-11627/18:59
HarhaanJohtajatoo late18:59
attah;)18:59
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TheBootroo|homeMMS aren't working anymore on jolla phone ?21:56
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TheBootroo|homei still use the same parameters for FreeMobile (France) but now i can't send/recv MMS21:57
TheBootroo|homeusing same parameters a few monthes ago it used to work21:57
TheBootroo|homei haven't been sending MMS for a long time so i dunno exactly when it stopped working21:57
TheBootroo|homebut i doesn't work anymore21:58
TheBootroo|homeSfietKonstantinW: aren't you on same provider too ?21:58
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coderussailors here? can you please remove abusive comment in Store for ScreenTapShot application?22:00
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tadzikI sent one today22:11
tadzik(mms, not abusive comment)22:12
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