#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2015-06-30

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tiwakejuly is soon \o/03:31
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birdzhang:D03:48
birdzhangsailfish os 2.0 is comming03:48
Yanielas is winter03:52
inzAnd the Great White Handkerchief04:01
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Lieke_july 1st got delayed though, they inserted a leap second04:37
inzthose bastards04:43
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SfietKonstantinWTheBootroo|work: I'm with free, and my gf too07:45
SfietKonstantinWshe receives MMS without problem (I never get MMSes)07:45
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cybettecoderus: please email developer-care about the abusive comment08:48
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onlaI don't get why the poster felix wants a new phone from jolla in his comment here (in 2 last paragraphs) http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/131808-5-reasons-why-sailfish-os-2-0-should-worry-apple-google-and-microsoft/gallery?photo=408:48
Nicd-onla: because they think the hardware on the current jolla phone is mediocre08:50
Nicd-which it is08:50
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ggabrieluhm... i would want another jolla too08:51
ggabrielbut i don't think the current hw is mediocre, not for sailfish at least08:51
ggabrielalso, apple should be worried, yes, steve jobs passed away08:51
onlaoh, so they want more ghz and ram after all ok08:51
Nicd-I do think there's too little RAM08:51
ggabrieli wouldn't mind more of everything, a higher end device08:52
ggabrielbut my current one is totally usable08:52
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Stskeepsit's really hard to work with a jolla1 when you've seen sailfish on full-HD, 2gb ram, quad core 2.25ghz devices.08:52
zuttoonly if it was easy to flash jolla to any android phone08:52
zutto;l08:52
ggabrielStskeeps: agree, but then you don't get nice things like maps and such08:52
ggabrielat least normal users don't get that08:52
zuttojolla on something like htc one or oneplusone would be great08:53
ggabrieltbh, my n9 was awesome until i got my jolla, which was significantly faster08:53
zuttos/jolla/sailfish/08:53
SfietKonstantinWStskeeps: isn't full HD a pain, as it takes much more resources to render all the shiny images @ 60FPS / FullHD ?08:54
StskeepsSfietKonstantinW: the GPU is often also heftier08:54
ggabrielONLY 60fps? pfff08:54
ggabriel;)08:54
zutto144 or go home!08:55
ggabriel480fps at least08:55
zuttowith that.. we could survive!08:55
SfietKonstantinWLOL08:55
SfietKonstantinWcome on, people having gaming consoles have only 30FPS08:55
ggabrielmy friends call me pigeon08:55
zuttoSfietKonstantinW: that depends on the game mostly, some are still under 30fps08:56
SfietKonstantinWI know08:56
ggabrieli admit that there is a difference between 30 and 60 for action sports08:57
zuttothe fps thing was a joke anyways, long as its over 30fps it should be smooth expirience08:57
ggabrielnot that my eyes can see that08:57
Stskeepszutto: people can actually see that..08:57
zuttoggabriel: it seems like that, yeah08:57
Stskeepshas to be aligned with lcd refresh08:57
Stskeepsnot 60fps08:57
ggabrielthe eyes may not be "in sync"08:57
ggabrielor something08:57
ggabrielbut there is a difference08:57
ggabrielanything over 60 i wouldn't know08:57
zuttoi think you would ggabriel08:58
ggabrieli do record at 120 sometimes but only to slow it down :D08:58
zuttopeople who can tell the difference between 30 and 60 clearly, can usually identify 60vs120 too08:58
zuttobut that requires really fast graphics08:58
ggabrielwell, i didn't say clearly, and i said only on action videos08:58
zuttoyuh08:58
Nicd-now fps, soon "lossless vs vbr mp3"08:58
zuttothats good enough08:58
* Nicd- gets the popcorn08:58
ggabrielhuman beings really shouldn't be able to tell the difference08:59
zuttoNicd-: i demand mah frames packed in lossless ogg container08:59
ggabrielNicd-: share, i'm hungry08:59
Aciidhttps://gfycat.com/DecimalEminentEmeraldtreeskink yes you can the difference join the masterrace08:59
zuttoonly if these monitors i am using would do more than 6009:00
ggabrielhaha09:00
Aciid->  are you trying to tell the difference from 60 to 120? by using a 60hz monitor? what a peasant09:00
slettaggabriel: figher pilots have been measured to tell difference of up to some ~240 fps09:00
ggabrielsletta: ok, s/human/most human/09:00
Aciidhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/ welcome to ascend09:00
ggabrielyou realize that you can't see a film if you can appreciate 240fps properly09:00
ggabrielas you would see still photographs09:01
slettaI personally see a huge difference between 60 and 12009:01
slettahaven’t tried higher09:01
narchiejolla tablet09:01
ggabrielthe tablet will come at least with 1200 fps09:01
ggabrielno worries about that09:01
Nicd-personally I can hear a huge difference between cd, wav and lossless09:01
narchiebut no email search09:01
Nicd-<_<09:01
SfietKonstantinWNicd-: this is easier09:01
ggabriellol09:01
SfietKonstantinWnarchie: there is email search in latest release IIRC09:02
narchieoh09:02
narchieonly two years09:02
Nicd-I actually read a long long thread online where audiophiles were arguing if lossless was worse than a CD09:02
SfietKonstantinWnarchie: better than nothign09:02
Nicd-"I know it's the same bit for bit, but I hear what I hear!"09:02
ggabrielNicd-: with the apple headphones, right?09:02
narchiejolla tablet09:02
narchienow with no tree balancing09:02
Nicd-ggabriel: with equipment worth more than my apartment probably09:03
Aciidnarchie: is tree balancing to do with the ecological standpoint of the manufacturing process?09:03
ggabrielNicd-: if it's for real, i envy the opportunity ;)09:03
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zuttoNicd-: audiophiles are silly09:05
zuttothe poor audiophiles especially09:05
ggabrielnah, i disagree09:06
ggabrielaudio is cool09:06
zuttono offesnse to any audiophiles here btw09:06
ggabrielno, you just call them silly ;-)09:06
zuttopeople get offended very easily09:06
zutto..well, some of them09:07
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ggabrieli think there is some truth in what people that are called audiophiles say09:07
zuttoofcourse09:07
ggabrieli don't think i am one09:08
zuttoand not just some!09:08
ggabrielbut e.g., the "life" bbc documentary09:08
zuttothe question just is that can they actually hear it, or is just equipmentwars09:08
zuttos/or is/or is it/09:08
ggabrielis awesome when seen and listened to in a fairly "ok" home theatre09:08
ggabrielthen when it is streamed off iplayer09:08
ggabrielyou'll always have equipment wars09:08
ggabrielbut that's fanboyism09:09
ggabrielyou want X, you research for X, you buy X for a lot of money, therefore you're proud about X09:09
zutto:P09:09
ggabrielreplace X with anything that costs money09:09
ggabrieli've been told that that's "psychology"09:09
coderuscybette: okay, emailed09:11
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Nicd-zutto: remember to burn in your cables before use09:17
tadzikif there's not too little ram then at least the swapping needs to improve09:18
zuttoNicd-: ofcourse..09:18
zuttois that a thing?09:18
tadzik1G of ram is fine as long as all you run is native apps09:18
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Nicd-zutto: yes: http://nordost.com/blog/what-is-cable-burn-in/09:18
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Nicd-the burn in device makes your cables unidirectional so they sound better09:19
ggabrielalso, the cable has to go in the right direction09:19
ggabrielyes, that09:19
ggabriel:P09:19
ggabrielelectrons travel better in one way09:19
zutto:P09:19
zuttospeaking of cables09:19
zuttoi have one phone where the headphone jack is mysteriously broken09:20
kjetilhoDO NOT LISTEN TO THEM!  you need to turn the cabel around every other day, or else your sound will detoriate due to electron depletion!09:20
zuttoit detects that its always plugged in09:20
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ggabrielzutto: sounds like a problem with the sensor more than the jack itself09:22
ggabrielunless jacks these days are defined as the jack and the sensor09:22
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TemeVdoesn't those jack have a micro switch that detects the plug09:28
tbrthis09:30
tbralthough some sensing may also happen by measuring things across the various pins09:30
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tbrespecially in phones that support both wiring standards09:31
TemeVtrue09:31
TemeVanyway, my guess is that the switch is jammed/broken09:32
* sobukus torn between waiting for TOHKBD arriving or sending in the phone because of distorted speaker09:33
ggabrielsobukus: simple: buy another phone :P09:34
sobukusdistorted sound from the speaker, sounds like very early clipping/overdrive09:34
sobukusIs that a common fault?09:34
ggabrielnot in my case, and my phone is almost 2 years old, with a couple of nasty falls and I don't treat it like "the ring that rules them all"09:34
sobukusggabriel: Given that I only bought the phone because of supporting the TOHKBD on k*starter09:34
ggabrielyeha, it's nice to have a backup phone09:35
sobukusWell, I do have an Android phone lying around, too.09:35
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ggabrieloh, that you can use as paperweight09:35
sobukusHeh.09:36
ggabrielbut yeah, i'm with you09:36
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ggabrielif you have plenty of warranty left09:36
ggabrielwait09:36
ggabrielif you don't, send it in09:36
sobukusI bought in december, so warranty shouldn't be the issue.09:36
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kimmolirubdos: nice11:45
rubdoskimmoli, thank you :)11:47
rubdosI pretty much like it :)11:47
rubdosI'm still worried about the shielding material though11:47
rubdosI'll probably fry my Jolla if I solder one and try one out.11:47
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rubdos5W of electricity in my Jolla instead of in the charger will pretty much blow the CPU11:48
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kimmolidepends on charger. if it is smart,.it detects qi receiver chip11:52
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sledgesreceived TOHKBD! \o/11:53
sledgeskimmoli: dirkvl: wazd: looks,feels,and works awesome!!11:53
* kimmoli secretly hopes it works. ..11:53
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sledges;)11:57
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dariornelashi guys!15:31
tadzikhello dariornelas15:35
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h4PPYC4Ti just noticed something strange on the csd-tool: when i chose the "sim card"-test under "individual tests" it states "pass", but when i go back to the list with the "individual tests" the "sim card"-entry is red and states fail.17:38
h4PPYC4Tbtw. i don't have any problems with my sim-card; phone and mobile internet are working fine. i'm just curious if someone else noticed that kind of behavior as well.17:41
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h4PPYC4T(the os version is 1.1.6.27 and the provider is vodafone germany, btw)17:45
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chem|sth4PPYC4T: would you mind to put that as bugreport on together, please17:48
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h4PPYC4Tyep. i could do that at some point. for now i was curious. too bad that i didn't check it before - so i can't exactly say whether that issue was present before 1.1.6.27 or not.17:51
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h4PPYC4Tanother thing which i noticed is, that on the detail-page of the "sim card"-test the value of "subscriber numbers:" is "N/A" - the other items on that page have a "normal looking" value. maybe it's related to that?18:00
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narchieis there a wayu to restrict landscape mode19:17
narchiespecifically for android19:17
Stskeepsin Display?19:18
Stskeepsin general19:18
narchieto disable it altogether19:19
narchieI don't want it19:19
narchieoh19:19
narchienevermind19:19
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pdanekhttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.ie/2015/06/news-sailfish-os-was-selected-over.html20:28
pdanekIs it a big thing for Jolla?20:28
pdanekOh, YotaPhone :O :O20:29
pdanekhttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.ie/2015/06/jolla-got-it-samsung-didnt-sailfish-os.html20:29
pdanekHopefully that won't be the supplement for Jolla 2.20:32
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TemeVpdanek: I think it has been quite clear for a long time, that there will be no Jolla 2 for a long time if ever20:33
pdanekTemeV: Are you serious?20:35
pdanekWho made it clear?20:35
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pdanekI only remember the message from CEO from 2014 saying Jolla 2 will be no later than end of 2015.20:35
r0kk3rzTemeV: there are conflicting reports20:37
r0kk3rzit might be very well down to how the tablet sells once it goes into general release20:37
r0kk3rzthe first phone was a compromise, and its sales figures show that20:38
r0kk3rzbut without it we wouldnt be here at all20:38
TemeVIirc they've always been talking about "next Sailfish phone" not "next Jolla phone"20:39
TemeVSo no, it is not said "there will be no Jolla 2" but it kind of reads between the lines20:40
pdanekhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/yotaphone-2-world-s-first-dual-screen-smartphone#/story20:40
r0kk3rzobviously there is no clear cut statement and its all reading between the lines20:40
pdanekBut no Jolla 2 might mean end of other half idea.20:41
TemeVmost likely20:41
TemeVbut even if there will be Jolla 2, I don't think other halves would be compatible20:41
r0kk3rzbut just today a sailor alluded to a 'next device' after the tablet20:41
TemeVstill no, "next Jolla device"20:42
pdanekr0kk3rz: who? where?20:42
r0kk3rzTemeV: the 'jolla' was implicit i thought, but you can read for yourself20:42
r0kk3rzits just a footnote on the tjc thread about the kernel20:42
r0kk3rznothing to get your panties in a twist over20:43
pdanekI want 22" screen, 60 mpix camera, shark-half, lasers and 32G RAM20:43
r0kk3rzdont we all pdanek20:43
TemeVpdanek: and two yeard of battery time20:43
TemeV*years20:43
pdanekHow long can shark live?20:43
r0kk3rzbattery? psssh fission reactor20:43
pdanekIt will be shark powered, no battery needed.20:43
pdanekAnd shark is user replacable,20:44
r0kk3rzfission powered shark20:44
pdanekPerhaps easier to get new one than to get new Jolla battery.20:44
TemeVr0kk3rz: they are called batteries also, at least in satellites etc20:44
r0kk3rzvery well then20:44
TemeVno, not satellites. Some mars crawler or something20:44
TemeV"nuclear battery"20:44
r0kk3rzthats different, thats an RTG20:45
r0kk3rzwhich yes is more like a nuclear battery20:45
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TemeVbut isn't it based on fission also20:45
r0kk3rzmore natural decay i thought, could be wrong20:45
TemeVI'm not an expert either20:45
r0kk3rzeither way they use the material to get heat for a stirling engine20:45
pdanekr0kk3rz: TemeV: Would you change your Jolla for YotaPhone 2?20:47
TemeVI'm not familiar with YotaPhone20:47
pdanekhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/yotaphone-2-world-s-first-dual-screen-smartphone#/story20:47
r0kk3rzthe whole e-ink half thing is interesting20:48
pdanekIt's gonna sell with Sailfish.20:48
r0kk3rznot sure how much use i'd get out of it20:48
pdanekAlready Sailfish-powered YotaPhones being tested in Russia.20:48
r0kk3rzi saw them pimping the yota1 out in london20:48
TemeVit seems to have better specs. It looks a bit fragile though, but if quality is good why not. I have no problem with Jolla though20:49
TemeVwell, the usualy battery etc problems, but nothing I can't live with20:50
r0kk3rzJollaPhone is kinda the devil you know rather than the devil you dont20:50
r0kk3rzits not perfect, but i know its flaws20:50
TemeVit's not a devil, it is just a bit crippel20:50
pdanekBut my Jolla become incredibly slow since I bought it.20:51
pdanekI need to reinstall Sailfish on it.20:51
pdanekOh and 1G memory isn't enough for my multitasking needs.20:51
r0kk3rzTemeV: not heard that expression?20:51
TemeVr0kk3rz: yes, but maybe I understand it wrong20:52
TemeVmaybe I take the devil too litterally :)20:53
r0kk3rzpdanek: 1gb should be ok, but it seems they're going backwards on the oom-killer situation20:53
r0kk3rzparticularly where the browser is concerned20:53
r0kk3rzif you have the browser opened things get killed left, right, and centre20:54
r0kk3rzsometimes even the browser itself whilst you're using it20:54
TemeVwell, modern internet is a memory hog20:54
r0kk3rztrue, but it didnt use to be like this a few upgrades ago20:54
TemeVtrue20:54
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pdanekr0kk3rz: I was indeed listening to audio podcast on a webpage while reading article in another tab and it was stopping to play time to time when not on the tab with podcast20:57
TemeVoom killer can be adjusted though20:57
TemeVpersonally, I'd choose the option where apps start to lag instead of dying randomly20:58
TemeVthen I can choose what to kill20:58
pdanekbut what worries me more that Android apps which are made to be running in background can't do this in Sailfish20:58
pdaneklike Skype call on Android can run in the background but it has issues on Sailfish etc.20:58
r0kk3rzalien dalvik does act a little weird when it comes to services20:58
r0kk3rzonce i remember recieving a skype call when i didnt have the skype app open20:59
r0kk3rzbut this might have been back in tahkalampi days20:59
r0kk3rzbefore the seperate covers20:59
pdanekSame here.20:59
TemeVI guess in Android Skype can say "please give me cpu time although I'm in background". In Jolla Aliendalvik most likely doesn't have rights for that21:00
TemeVbut that's just my guess21:00
TemeVbut now I need some sleep. Good night!21:01
r0kk3rzit does a pretty decent job21:01
r0kk3rzas far as not being android is concerned21:01
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pdanek1r0kk3rz: The reality is, that for most of Jolla users, the Sailfish experience is as good as Android apps experience on it.21:05
pdanek1Becuase most of time is spent in Android apps anyway.21:05
pdanek1Even the Google Talk integration to messages is cool, but it won't replace my Hangouts, because it can't receive messages I got when I was offline, it doesn't show read status, typing status and things like this.21:06
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r0kk3rzand i sympathise, but i think if you rely that heavily on android apps, then you're most likely better off with an android phone21:06
r0kk3rzi use a few, but i could live without and just use the browser21:07
r0kk3rzfacebook has a mobile webpage, google maps does too21:07
kimmoliandroid apps, meh. random use of obd (torgue), thats about it21:10
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kimmolii also kinda like the small footprint of sailfish apps. almost any android app is megabyte(s), and sailfish apps < 100k (with exceptions ofc)21:12
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Aciidjolla relieved me from all the distracting shit i was doing with phones21:17
Aciidplain simple was all i needed21:17
r0kk3rzyeah free your mind from the bullshit, get back to reality21:17
Aciidso edgy xD you have no idea what Im talking about do you21:18
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Aciidjust kidding fuck android21:20
Aciidlol21:20
r0kk3rzhaha21:20
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r0kk3rzi have some idea, but most people just watch youtube, or scroll clickbait21:21
r0kk3rzor play games21:21
Aciidthat or sit all day on feces and free to pay games21:21
Aciidaugmented realities of life need to update my shitter21:22
Aciidgrown tired of webservices21:22
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kjetilhoI use: Beyondpod (podcast application with automatic download, timestretched playback etc.), Vivino to rate wine and check other's opinions, Waze to navigate (bad maps, good realtime congestion information)21:27
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