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arvut | hi, any releasedate for the tablet yet? | 02:47 |
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arvut | and good morning btw | 02:47 |
arvut | if anyone is awake that is | 02:47 |
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zhxt | morning, | 03:09 |
Yaniel | morning indeed | 03:12 |
truls | #$%/%#"@ | 04:01 |
arvut | btw, will sailfishOS 2.0 be available for the phone as well later on? or will it be for tablet and next gen phone only? | 04:18 |
arvut | assuming there will be a next gen jolla ofc ;) | 04:19 |
Yaniel | it will | 04:21 |
Yaniel | there will only be one codeline for all devices | 04:21 |
Yaniel | ...is what I have heard | 04:21 |
arvut | :) | 04:22 |
Aciid | when is this new tablet? | 04:25 |
narchie | shipping may 2015 didn\t you listen | 04:25 |
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pp | fffuuuu, broken proximity sensors ;_; | 05:41 |
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pp | could fixing the screen fix that or am I "screwed" :-) | 05:42 |
zutto | how did it break? | 05:42 |
zutto | and how is it broken? | 05:43 |
pp | screen was from dropping phone too many times | 05:43 |
zutto | ah, that sucks :| | 05:43 |
pp | can't unlock phone by tapping screen (which is apparently related) | 05:43 |
pp | and csd tool does show sensors as broken | 05:43 |
pp | there, mcetool --set-ps-mode=disabled (for now) | 05:57 |
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Mikaela | does this seem understandable <https://together.jolla.com/question/98238/browser-dont-stop-playback-when-switching-tab-and-dont-replace-open-tab-when-link-is-clicked-in-other-app/>? | 06:30 |
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dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 09:35 |
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SfietKonstantinW | hey dr_gogeta86 | 09:38 |
dr_gogeta86 | hi SfietKonstantinW | 09:39 |
dr_gogeta86 | how do you do | 09:39 |
dr_gogeta86 | nemo/sfos need a ssl keystore many services i'm currently uses are going/ siwtched to ssl logins | 09:39 |
dr_gogeta86 | mail https | 09:39 |
dr_gogeta86 | I know i'm not the common user but in Enterprises are common things | 09:40 |
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SfietKonstantinW | what do you mean by ssl keystore ? | 09:42 |
SfietKonstantinW | I'm not totally familiar with ssl related stuff | 09:42 |
dr_gogeta86 | something you place all your ssl certificate for client access | 09:43 |
dr_gogeta86 | a simple example | 09:43 |
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dr_gogeta86 | you know ssh exchanged keys ? | 09:44 |
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dr_gogeta86 | give out you public | 09:45 |
ggabriel | so /etc/ssl doesn't work? | 09:45 |
dr_gogeta86 | no | 09:45 |
tbr | /etc/ssl is _the_ current thing | 09:45 |
ggabriel | ah | 09:45 |
dr_gogeta86 | hi tbr | 09:45 |
tbr | they promised key management for some point in the future | 09:45 |
dr_gogeta86 | ah ok | 09:45 |
dr_gogeta86 | last thing on list | 09:45 |
* ggabriel confused | 09:45 | |
dr_gogeta86 | :-( | 09:45 |
tbr | they need it for things like x.509 WPA authentication | 09:45 |
dr_gogeta86 | tbr was spot on | 09:45 |
dr_gogeta86 | not only | 09:45 |
dr_gogeta86 | even exchange servers | 09:46 |
ggabriel | i've just asked if /etc/ssl worked and you said no, dr_gogeta86 :P | 09:46 |
tbr | sure, there are many uses for TLS client AND server cert mgmt | 09:46 |
dr_gogeta86 | http portal | 09:46 |
dr_gogeta86 | http wifi captive portals | 09:46 |
tbr | I'd also like to see server cert pinning, but well, one can dream. | 09:46 |
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dr_gogeta86 | tbr, I can't read my mail anymore outside vpn | 09:47 |
dr_gogeta86 | Let's dream | 09:48 |
tbr | dr_gogeta86: exchange? that's special sauce, it might already support client cert auth, but lack the UI | 09:49 |
dr_gogeta86 | If is possible , I accept this as a solution .... | 09:50 |
dr_gogeta86 | but BIG question is here | 09:50 |
tbr | did any of the nokia devices support client cert auth for exchange? | 09:50 |
dr_gogeta86 | I don't know | 09:50 |
dr_gogeta86 | Is even poor on android | 09:50 |
TemeV | N9 did | 09:50 |
tbr | then it would possibly work on the jolla too. same software | 09:50 |
dr_gogeta86 | Sammy got problem and I don't wanna buy / crack 19,99 dollar software | 09:51 |
TemeV | I tried "something" to get it to work with Jolla without much luck | 09:51 |
TemeV | Though, I didn't know what I was doing :) | 09:52 |
tbr | I vaguely remember that it uses config files in the user home, somewhere | 09:53 |
tbr | in addition to config storage | 09:53 |
TemeV | So in theory it would be possible to copy config files from N9? | 09:55 |
tbr | I _guess_ | 09:55 |
TemeV | Though, I don't really need my work email on my phone that much, so I think I'll wait till Jolla fixes the UI | 09:56 |
TemeV | Calendar would be nice, but I can live without it also | 09:57 |
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dr_gogeta86 | tnx guys | 10:00 |
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SfietKonstantinW | dr_gogeta86: I'm currently building a webserver that is expect to *run* on the Jolla | 10:09 |
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SfietKonstantinW | so I need certificates (especially CA ones) to be present on the Jolla | 10:09 |
SfietKonstantinW | do you think that there can be a safe way, like using a keystore, to be able to store them securely ? | 10:10 |
tbr | SfietKonstantinW: harbour or not? | 10:11 |
SfietKonstantinW | tbr: harbour maybe | 10:11 |
SfietKonstantinW | but not targetting harbour atm | 10:11 |
* tbr backs away slowly ;-) | 10:11 | |
tbr | if not then why not /etc/ssl? | 10:12 |
SfietKonstantinW | I'm thinking about some security issues, like someone taking the CA cert on the phone | 10:12 |
SfietKonstantinW | (any app can easily do that) | 10:12 |
SfietKonstantinW | and then, MITM with the "valid but selfsigned" cert | 10:12 |
tbr | SfietKonstantinW: physical access, total pwnage. full. stop. | 10:13 |
dr_gogeta86 | just ask for a password for SSL private key ;-) | 10:14 |
dr_gogeta86 | old school | 10:14 |
tbr | yes, that's about the only thing | 10:14 |
SfietKonstantinW | tbr: not physical: install one harmless app from harbour | 10:16 |
SfietKonstantinW | it reads /etc/ssl or whatever location and send these data to a remote server | 10:16 |
tbr | for values of 'harmless' >:) | 10:16 |
SfietKonstantinW | this can also happen with any credentials that are currently stored plain text, at known locations | 10:16 |
dr_gogeta86 | SfietKonstantinW, once you start the app | 10:17 |
dr_gogeta86 | ask for a password and you are done .... | 10:18 |
SfietKonstantinW | dr_gogeta86: indeed | 10:18 |
SfietKonstantinW | tbr: sadly, you cannot control the harm of a binary app, since there is no "sandbox" | 10:18 |
tbr | SfietKonstantinW: well, that's the more or less complete lack of security model at the moment | 10:19 |
tbr | I guess something like selinux will happen at some point | 10:19 |
dr_gogeta86 | selinux is just a first step | 10:20 |
dr_gogeta86 | i think we need to explore the use case of namespaces | 10:20 |
dr_gogeta86 | i've saw a project few days ago to create a new namespace for every App ... but on X11 | 10:21 |
Nicd- | SfietKonstantinW: why do you need the root CA on the phone? | 10:21 |
Nicd- | if the server runs on the phone | 10:21 |
SfietKonstantinW | Nicd-: hum indeed | 10:22 |
Nicd- | you just give the phone the certificate (+ intermediates) | 10:22 |
SfietKonstantinW | yep | 10:22 |
SfietKonstantinW | trye | 10:22 |
Nicd- | the client will have the root CA | 10:22 |
dr_gogeta86 | Nicd-, not for all uses | 10:23 |
Nicd- | dr_gogeta86: like? | 10:23 |
SfietKonstantinW | Nicd-: the client is a webapp, it is served via the Jolla too :P | 10:27 |
SfietKonstantinW | I can provide a certificate package | 10:27 |
Nicd- | the client is the browser | 10:27 |
Nicd- | it does not matter that the javascript is served from the server | 10:27 |
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SfietKonstantinW | true | 10:27 |
SfietKonstantinW | but you need to tell the browser to take this CA in account | 10:27 |
tbr | you should agree if you are talking about the rootca private or public key ;) | 10:28 |
Nicd- | SfietKonstantinW: the client will check the certificate against CAs it knows, you don't have to tell it anything | 10:29 |
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kimmoli | http://www.slashgear.com/chinese-so-mad-at-galaxy-bloat-theyre-suing-samsung-05391764/ | 10:33 |
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Yaniel | the question is.. where do they get all the popcorn for this show | 10:47 |
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kimmoli | https://instagram.com/p/4ysaWpD8L0/ | 10:56 |
kimmoli | oo .. just missing the contents | 10:57 |
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Hartzi | nice | 11:04 |
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ggabriel | i wonder what'll happen if i paste kimmoli's link in tmo :P | 11:37 |
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SfietKonstantinW | cool :) | 11:59 |
jgdx | lpotter, hey, I have a question about running the libqofono tests in 0.79. Are you using a script to stop/start ofono? | 12:00 |
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chem|st | kimmoli: I am still wondering why it isn't one piece but the lid glued to the back... | 12:11 |
kimmoli | chem|st: ? the lastu tablet thing? | 12:12 |
chem|st | yeah | 12:12 |
chem|st | the back looks like a design flaw | 12:12 |
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kimmoli | eh | 12:13 |
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ggabriel | sooo, lastucase was late too then | 12:14 |
kimmoli | http://lastucase.com/product/lastucase-for-jolla-tablet-pre-order/ | 12:15 |
ggabriel | "-Easy to install and take off" | 12:17 |
ggabriel | also, the fact that it's on sale and is for preorder at the same time sounds dodgy | 12:17 |
ggabriel | ^chemist | 12:17 |
ggabriel | erm chem|st even | 12:17 |
kimmoli | pre-order price ends 15.7. | 12:17 |
ggabriel | it's rather pricey too | 12:18 |
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Hartzi | hand made products are expensive | 12:18 |
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ggabriel | i cna't remember how much i paid for the lastucase | 12:20 |
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ggabriel | and yes, if it's real leather and real wood and all that, then you expect it to be expensive | 12:20 |
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ggabriel | esp if it isn't made in china :P | 12:20 |
ggabriel | right, 49usd for the lastucase | 12:21 |
ggabriel | it wasn't that bad | 12:21 |
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kimmoli | hmm "automatic wake and sleep" | 12:22 |
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ggabriel | magnetic sensor? | 12:23 |
HarhaanJohtaja | i guess proximity sensor | 12:25 |
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ggabriel | oh yeah | 12:26 |
HarhaanJohtaja | i guess in sailfish 2.0 you go straight to lock screen when you uncover the proximity sensor. | 12:27 |
HarhaanJohtaja | well hoping something like that | 12:27 |
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* Stskeeps idly pulls in a beer keg | 14:52 | |
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Yaniel | and it's not even friday | 15:36 |
tadzik | CONFIRMED FRIDAY IS RELEASE DAY | 15:36 |
ggabriel | Stskeeps: monday? :) | 15:39 |
Stskeeps | monday. | 15:39 |
Stskeeps | :P | 15:39 |
ggabriel | nice | 15:39 |
tiwake | tadzik: what? | 15:39 |
ggabriel | i'll join you in spirit in ~2 hours | 15:39 |
Yaniel | in spirit? with spirits? | 15:40 |
ggabriel | no, in spirit with beer | 15:40 |
tiwake | the spirit of friendship | 15:40 |
Coolgeek | the spirit of the forest | 15:41 |
tiwake | screw the forest | 15:41 |
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tiwake | anyway time to go to work | 15:42 |
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tadzik | Coolgeek: I understand that reference! | 15:46 |
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Gyrth | Well pretty sure the yola tablet will be delayed again. | 17:48 |
Stskeeps | jolla | 17:48 |
tadzik | freudian slip, when you mean one thing but mean yotaphone | 17:48 |
Stskeeps | but it would have been neat if we were YOLO | 17:48 |
merlin1991 | hey that's the name of my dev folder | 17:53 |
merlin1991 | yolophone ... | 17:53 |
kimmoli | YOLLO | 17:53 |
Acce | YALLU | 17:54 |
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Yaniel | a Jallu phone would be interesting to say the least | 18:07 |
urs | Hullu phone | 18:08 |
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pdanek | ey | 18:11 |
pdanek | Hey | 18:11 |
pdanek | How can I setup my Android Gmail in Jolla as default mail client? | 18:11 |
pdanek | For example the "Line" app, if I want to backup my chat history, it sends by default via E-Mail app, because that's default email and via E-Mail app, it doesn't properly attach file. | 18:12 |
pdanek | So can I force apps in Jolla to always use Gmail app as default email client? | 18:12 |
Sail0r | hm Tablet for christmas :D https://blog.jolla.com/july-jolla-tablet-update/ | 18:15 |
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Stskeeps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyxSerkkP4o - trippy | 18:36 |
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pdanek1 | Nobody please? | 18:53 |
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HtheB | pdanek1: :( im sorry | 18:57 |
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coderus | pdanek1: i just installed android gmail app | 20:42 |
coderus | works for android apps only | 20:42 |
coderus | i know no way to use android gmail for native apps | 20:42 |
pdanek1 | right | 20:42 |
coderus | maybe some intents magic here | 20:43 |
coderus | if you will get info then you can make it to work | 20:43 |
coderus | some intent command to create compose window with file attachd | 20:43 |
pdanek1 | hm | 20:43 |
pdanek1 | let's hope for more magical Sailfish 2.0 | 20:43 |
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r0kk3rz | i dont think anything is going to fundamentally change with sfos2.0 | 20:52 |
r0kk3rz | aside from the ui perhaps | 20:52 |
r0kk3rz | and a few things getting open sourced maybe | 20:52 |
pdanek | right | 20:53 |
HtheB | r0kk3rz: it does | 20:53 |
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HtheB | my fart app wont work anymore like it should :( | 20:53 |
HtheB | no more pulled cover actions :( | 20:54 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah not real happy about that one | 20:55 |
r0kk3rz | but they'll have lockscreen media controls instead which is ok | 20:55 |
r0kk3rz | attah was working on some intents voodoo that might help you pdanek | 20:56 |
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pdanek | r0kk3rz: thanks | 21:02 |
pdanek | I actually never really used those cover actions | 21:02 |
r0kk3rz | aside from my media player ones | 21:04 |
r0kk3rz | cant say i touch them | 21:04 |
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pdanek | I think everyone should seriously buy this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1861630723/take-control-of-your-sleep-with-kokoon-eeg-headpho | 21:25 |
pdanek | If not for EEG, then for best and most comfortable Bluetooth headphones available | 21:25 |
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HtheB | pdanek: i see a big fail at 1:31 | 21:30 |
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pdanek | HtheB: That leather pouch? :D | 21:36 |
HtheB | yeah | 21:36 |
pdanek | I agree | 21:36 |
HtheB | doesnt close :P | 21:36 |
pdanek | oh | 21:36 |
pdanek | I thought the look | 21:36 |
pdanek | the leather pouch looks horrible | 21:36 |
HtheB | hahhaha | 21:37 |
HtheB | apart from that, it doesnt close, it's too bulky | 21:37 |
pdanek | the girl on video is terrific | 21:37 |
HtheB | while in the next shot, its like closed | 21:37 |
r0kk3rz | seems like too many 'we invented our own magical this!' | 21:37 |
pdanek | :D | 21:37 |
pdanek | maybe it's really magical | 21:38 |
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r0kk3rz | one i can believe, two is pushing it, three? hmmmm obviously its a team of geniuses | 21:38 |
pdanek | :D | 21:38 |
pdanek | I pledged, not too expensive. | 21:38 |
r0kk3rz | so why arent they going through normal funding channels if they're so amazing? | 21:39 |
pdanek | Why Jolla tablet wasn't? | 21:39 |
r0kk3rz | mostly publicity | 21:41 |
pdanek | Kokoon received huge publicity with this. | 21:41 |
r0kk3rz | bit of gauging the market as well i think | 21:41 |
pdanek | Previews of the Kokooon all over the internet. | 21:41 |
r0kk3rz | crowdfunding really matches jollas #peoplepowered rhetoric | 21:42 |
r0kk3rz | if this kokoon thing does what it says on the tin, im sure they would have had enough media attention | 21:43 |
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HtheB | pdanek: i would like to pledge | 21:44 |
HtheB | but I have -400 on my bank account :( | 21:45 |
HtheB | (yes, below 0!) | 21:45 |
pdanek | HtheB: I just did 10 min. ago, I watched the project for about 2 weeks, read a lot of answers from the team (answers to questions from EEG specialists etc.) and they seem solid | 21:45 |
pdanek | so decided to pledge now and share my excitement with Jolla family | 21:45 |
HtheB | wont work with Jolla... | 21:46 |
pdanek | normally I don't pledge much, last time TOHKBD | 21:46 |
HtheB | no bluetooth with android ap | 21:46 |
HtheB | app* | 21:46 |
pdanek | HtheB: wait.. whattttt? | 21:46 |
pdanek | It will be in future, right? | 21:46 |
r0kk3rz | they got their money so you dont need to pledge now | 21:46 |
HtheB | no | 21:46 |
pdanek | Estimated Delivery: Feb, 2016 | 21:46 |
pdanek | why | 21:46 |
HtheB | r0kk3rz: It will be like 50% more expensive if I will buy it later on | 21:47 |
pdanek | Yes, it will. | 21:47 |
pdanek | Most probably. | 21:47 |
r0kk3rz | it will also have reviews and things | 21:47 |
pdanek | So even if I pledge now, there is a big chance I sell it later on for not so much lower price. | 21:47 |
HtheB | i could always sell it if I dont like it (if i pledge now) | 21:47 |
r0kk3rz | and actually be a product you can buy, instead of maybe something that might happen | 21:47 |
HtheB | yeah | 21:47 |
HtheB | but Im totally broke :( | 21:47 |
HtheB | and I have a baby upcoming | 21:48 |
r0kk3rz | bespoke hardware projects are risky at best | 21:48 |
pdanek | HtheB: Feb 2016, you think by that time, still no Android bluetooth? | 21:48 |
pdanek | Why? | 21:48 |
pdanek | r0kk3rz: they already showed the device on some London conference | 21:48 |
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pdanek | real working prototype | 21:48 |
pdanek | so it's not just something that might happen | 21:49 |
r0kk3rz | believe what you like, i'll remain skeptical | 21:49 |
HtheB | i think i might sell my TOHKBD | 21:50 |
HtheB | black black carbon | 21:50 |
Obi-Lan | I've been trying to sell jolla and tohkbd | 21:51 |
pdanek | HtheB: baby upcoming! you definitely need Kokoon to fall a sleep next year then! | 21:51 |
HtheB | pdanek: haha | 21:52 |
HtheB | it's getting a bit late | 21:53 |
HtheB | i need it for the first couple months xD | 21:53 |
HtheB | (baby coming end october) | 21:53 |
Obi-Lan | first 6-12 months | 21:53 |
HtheB | mm | 21:53 |
HtheB | hmmm | 21:54 |
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HtheB | damn it | 21:54 |
HtheB | now I want to buy it | 21:54 |
HtheB | my wife is (seriously) going to kill me if I buy it :D | 21:54 |
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Obi-Lan | baby starts to sleep better after it starts to eat solid food etc | 21:54 |
Obi-Lan | so that no more need to eat at night | 21:54 |
r0kk3rz | hah, you wont need a eeg to tell you you're sleep deprived | 21:54 |
HtheB | Obi-Lan: yeah, that sounds reasonable | 21:54 |
kjetilho | sounds a bit overengineered. ear plugs cost 50 cents :-p | 21:56 |
HtheB | kjetilho is the winner of the day! | 21:56 |
kjetilho | as a bonus, you'll get binaural heartbeat feedback if you push them in sufficiently deep. | 21:57 |
HtheB | now, if I want to use these headphones, what about devices like the Nintendo 3DS? it doesnt have bluetooth :( | 21:57 |
kjetilho | HtheB: "optional audio jack" | 21:57 |
HtheB | 3.5mm to bluetooth adapter? | 21:57 |
HtheB | kjetilho: oh! | 21:58 |
Obi-Lan | you wont be gaming unless mother is willing to make all baby caring | 21:58 |
HtheB | I've made some serious agreements about some stuff | 21:59 |
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HtheB | so I do hope that I will be able to play :D | 22:00 |
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HtheB | kjetilho: y ou know what!? | 22:04 |
HtheB | I'm going to invest :) | 22:04 |
HtheB | i will choose the $350 perk | 22:05 |
HtheB | 2 headsets | 22:05 |
pdanek | wow | 22:05 |
tadzik | Obi-Lan: tell me more about tohkbd :) | 22:05 |
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HtheB | and when it's out, i will mostly like to sell 1 for like $200 | 22:05 |
HtheB | or maybe $250 | 22:05 |
HtheB | so, that means i only payed like 100$ for it :D | 22:06 |
HtheB | doesnt that sound good? | 22:06 |
kjetilho | so, "est. delivery Feb 2016" means delivery in August 2016. | 22:07 |
kjetilho | just keep that in mind | 22:07 |
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HtheB | lol | 22:08 |
kjetilho | see: Pebble, Gecko (still not working with my phone), Jolla Tablet, TOHKBD, etc. | 22:08 |
HtheB | Pebble's delivery with the Time was on time | 22:08 |
HtheB | (that sounded so funny) | 22:08 |
r0kk3rz | well, would you buy a smart watch that was late? | 22:09 |
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pdanek | :D | 22:11 |
pdanek | 1st Pebble was actually good product | 22:11 |
HtheB | pdanek: I have the steel | 22:12 |
HtheB | no sorry, I HAD the steel | 22:12 |
HtheB | I had some minor problems with it | 22:12 |
HtheB | got a new one from them for 0$ | 22:12 |
tadzik | I still have it, I need to get it replaced | 22:12 |
HtheB | then I sold both of them, and with that money, i bought the Pebble Time Steel :p | 22:13 |
HtheB | for free | 22:13 |
HtheB | (without paying extra money) | 22:13 |
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HtheB | kjetilho: where do you see optional audio jack? | 23:27 |
HtheB | I've looked everywhere?!? | 23:27 |
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HtheB | oh, it says on the picture "optional audio jack" weird they dont mention it anywhere else? | 23:31 |
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