#jollamobile log for Friday, 2015-07-17

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tiwakeno reply yet from jolla02:13
tiwakethough I wouldent expect there to be one for a little while yet02:13
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Hartzitiwake: reply to what?05:34
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lainwir3do/08:12
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birdzhang;)08:39
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HarhaanJohtajafrontpage of tjc looks "nice"13:17
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inzSomehow and old Monty Python chant started ringing in my head: "Spam, spam, spam, spam, lovely spammmm..."13:18
inz-d13:18
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Acceso much interest from Korea, is this the change to beat Samsung???13:26
ggabrielwho is interested in korea, and in particular samsung? :P13:34
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Accelook at tjc :)13:43
Hartziso someone found a bug from the spamfilter? :P13:45
HarhaanJohtajanow it is all white13:55
electroluxyes, we have to have a short maintenance break, sorry for the inconvenience…13:56
Hartzielectrolux: hopefully you'll fix the hole ;)13:57
electrolux:D13:57
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TMavicamaybe he is asking question we dont know14:44
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tiwakeHartzi: reply for requesting a 3D model of the plastic cover/housing for the tablet... cause I want to make my own out of aluminum. If I have the 3D model, it would make designing the aluminum one easier15:06
tiwakealso, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Jolla-India-Ambitions15:06
tiwakeI might have to get one of those phones15:07
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ggabrielaluminium? won't that work as a shield for the antennas? or do i have my chemistry wrong?15:11
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tiwakeggabriel: for the tablet? I guess it would for wifi... though cant you just solder the antenna to the casing in that case? :315:13
Teemuno not really, you have to design the case/antenna as a whole15:13
Teemuotherwise you get the iphone experience that you need to grap the case just like so or else you just killed the antenna15:14
tiwake..?15:14
Teemuwhen the iphone got metallic cover they had issues with it, essentially apple had to deliver very specific instructions to customers on how exactly to hold the phone15:15
Teemuso, ymmv but at least you have to be pretty careful and considerate about rf15:16
tiwakeymmv?15:16
Yanielyour mileage may vay15:16
Yanielvary*15:16
tiwakeyeah... it isnt something I thought about, nor will I until I actually start doing it15:17
Teemuat microwave frequencies your mechanical components start to become relevantly sized to effect15:17
tiwakecause it really depends on the internals of the tablet its self15:17
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ggabrieltiwake: oh, ok, we don't know much about the tablet yet :) thought you wanted a toh aluminium :P15:18
Teemupart of the filter passives (caps and inductors) are just traces on pcb15:18
Teemuyour fingers are roughly relevant size for 5GHz15:18
Teemuit all becomes suddenly very very muzzy and esoteric15:19
tiwakeyou mean if the tablet is grounded to the housing? or if using the housing as an antenna?15:19
Teemuthe housing as such is way too large and wrong shaped for antenna15:20
Teemuparts of it are relevant to be parts of the antenna15:20
Teemueither as the antenna active element or as resonator elements15:20
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Teemu(think yagi antennas but more complex in 3d rf space)15:20
tiwakeyeah, it would be pretty good at picking up a larger range of frequencies XD15:20
tiwakewhich wouldent be desirable15:21
Teemua non-shortened antenna for 3G/4G/wi-fi would be from half a finger to a finger in size15:21
Teemuso, the casing can and should be taken into consideration as part of the antenna15:21
Teemunvm the material, it will affect it somehow15:22
Teemuplastics less, metals a lot15:22
Teemufingers quite a lot15:22
Teemuhead a lot15:22
tiwakedon't judge my foil hat15:22
Teemualso: if you hold the metal case, it becomes semi-grounded therefore candidate for being faraday cage15:23
Teemujust an ungrounded metal case is more transparent to rf15:23
tiwakeyeah, I'd consider that a side benefit15:24
Teemuanyway of you google "wave guide filter" in images you'll see that just mechanical shapes in metal are actually very good for processing rf15:26
tiwakes/of/if/15:27
Teemuyou can make directional filters that pass the rf in other direction and form a band-pass filter in another15:27
Teemuyes15:27
Teemuindeed if not of15:27
Teemuoh, and cool thing is you can make passive band splitters that act much like optical wavelength separators15:28
tiwakeI might try splash anodizing15:31
tiwakethat would be pretty cool15:31
Teemuanodizing is also galvanic insulator as long as the surface stays intact15:33
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YanielI find it sad how the pdf viewer takes ages to restore its view after being put in the background15:46
Yanielwhereas the web browser seems to keep the entire page live all the time15:47
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TomJguess my TOHKBD is one of last lol18:27
TomJazerty last batch? :p18:27
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Liekehopefully they'll get started on the webshop orders soon18:42
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fluxyaniel, jolla doesn't have that much memory to waste ;)19:13
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