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Pawkywill using the Exchange client make the jolla phone be in the hands of the Exchange server (for things such as remote wipe etc)?07:27
zuttoif jollas exchange will abide by the rules, yes07:29
Pawkyzutto: well that is my question isn't it?....07:29
zuttoyes07:30
zuttoyou should assume the worst, its exchange were talking about07:30
Pawkythus your answer is not an answer to it..07:30
Pawkywell, the N9 did not support these things only part of the exchange protocol :-)07:30
zuttoprobably one reason why it wasnt so popular in the business world :P07:31
Pawkymy hopes is jolla having the same restricted implementation as the N9, making it safe to also use this protoco07:31
Pawkyl07:31
Pawkytrue.. but many .... enforces the Exchange protocol, which makes it important to know what it means before using it..07:31
PawkyI haven't been able to find any info on what this implementation supports, and what not.07:32
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chriadamPawky: you'll need to ask VDVsx about the specifics of our Exchange ActiveSync implementation.  I believe he's on vacation at the moment, though.07:48
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Pawkychriadam: ok, thanks. :-)08:49
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Mikaelais it just me or does Jolla dislieke http://speedof.me/ ? for me it started closing apps when I had Browser, Books, Communi Sailfish (IRC) and Notes open08:54
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tadzikit may be memory heavy08:56
zuttojust a random guess, but its html5 test so it probably utilizes your localstorage like mega does, and oomkiller starts popping the heads of your applications off as it uses more08:56
tadzikbut I use it all the time and I haven't noticed it08:56
Mikaelasounds like it08:56
MikaelaI just wish it handled IPv608:57
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viccuadguys, what's the name of the part that is closed source on Jolla phones, besides apps?10:50
tadziklipstick?10:50
viccuadnope10:50
lainwir3dsilica10:51
viccuadhttps://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick10:51
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viccuadthaat one10:51
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tadzikoh, right10:52
viccuadI fail to see what silica accomplishes, what's its use on the stack10:53
TemeVsilica offers the ui components that create the "Sailfish look and feel"10:54
viccuadso, it could be not used, I suppose?10:55
TemeVyes, you can use normal qml10:55
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PawkyAm I the only one having a bit of trouble with the latest jolla release, sometimes you simply cannot pull down to answer a call?11:13
tadzikoh, I need to report my connectivity bug11:14
tadzikthansk11:14
ggabrielPawky: i think there's a tjc for that11:14
ggabrielhappens rarely to me11:14
Pawkythere is a workaround i have found..11:14
ggabriellink?11:15
Pawkyno links to my head yet..11:15
ggabrieloh11:15
ggabrieli misread the sentence then11:15
PawkyI have succeeded to answer the call I meant, but nothing I have written down yet ;-)11:16
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Pawkythought of first checking wether I am the only one having this issue11:16
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PawkyAm I right there are still no news upon how to actually get ssp11:18
Pawkysorry SSDP to work for android apps on the jolla?11:18
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Pawkythe jolla driver receives it, but android apps wont see this data :-(11:19
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Lipevakala_Pawky: You can minimice incoming call creen and then it is possible to answer....  i dont have those problems but did read this from here11:33
Teguhappened to me as well. just couldn't do anything on the call screen11:34
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PawkyLipevakala_: yes, thats what I found out as well. :-) I was just wondering how alone I am with this issue ;-)11:47
ShadowJKhm, why does store say "Waiting" forever11:47
TeguShadowJK: have you logged in to your jolla account? on the settings. if yes, I don't know.11:49
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Teguas the store seems to be working just fine for me currently11:49
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Coolgeekphone is here \o/12:07
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ggabrielcongrats12:07
Coolgeekand I imported numbers + sms from my android \o/12:07
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SfietKonstantinWcool :)12:12
chem|st:)12:15
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dr_gogeta86there is any unsupported method to dump an installation12:33
dr_gogeta86i don't mean dump flash and puke on other jolla phone12:33
dr_gogeta86but i wanna replicate my phone12:33
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ggabrielif that's a question, i'd try to dd p2812:35
chem|stdr_gogeta86: dd mmcblk0p28 to uSD12:35
ggabrielbut i really haven't tried, i don't have a second jolla12:35
dr_gogeta86chem|st, i mean a software version12:36
dr_gogeta86not a physical dump12:36
dr_gogeta86chem|st, tnx btw12:36
chem|stdr_gogeta86: make sure you have no lockcode set (not just deactivated, really not set!)12:36
chem|stdr_gogeta86: software version?12:37
dr_gogeta861.1.712:37
dr_gogeta86i need to transfer it to a virgin jolla12:37
chem|stoh that is a bad idea12:37
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chem|styou could download all rpms required to upgrade12:39
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chem|stdr_gogeta86: for hardcopy, it is adviceable to recover to the same version that is in the backup, so dd of 1.1.7.24 should be restored on to a 1.1.7.2412:40
dr_gogeta86i don't have all the bandwith to fetch two years of jolla12:40
dr_gogeta86i'll study something12:40
chem|stdr_gogeta86: it isn't two years, you will only upgrade to 2.5 and then to latest12:40
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locusfI've got a theory on creating the mmcblk0p28 partition, but it is likely to fail because the device adaptation repos are not accessible except from a jolla device12:48
Raimdd'ing mmcblk0p28 is probably not enough as it won't update the boot or recovery partitions12:51
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chem|stRaim: yes, not a way to update12:54
locusffastboot flash?12:54
chem|styeah, but I got no clue how to make a flashable img out of a jolla12:55
ggabrieluhm... too many things to consider/reverse engineer, risk of bricking the device and loss of warranty12:55
ggabrielis it really worth it?12:55
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chem|stggabriel: maybe ask nieldk on tmo for help, I guess he has an idea about how to dump a flashable img from a jolla12:56
ggabrieldr_gogeta86: ^12:58
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chem|stah sry wrong HL12:58
ggabrieli remember the post chem|st is talking about, not sure if it's updated though12:58
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lainwir3dhttps://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-update/14:58
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tbrhmmm, I hope dropping the micro A/B does not mean they dropped the signals as well. (there are non-USB compliant host adapters for micro B)15:05
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tiwakeis it USB 3?15:06
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tiwakealso I'm a little sad an M.2 slot couldent be stuffed in15:09
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grzywaczI wonder if the display converter soc adds a lot to power usage.15:12
tiwakemaybe the display its self is lower power usage15:16
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Morpog_work1.1.7.25 is out15:16
Morpog_workit balances now before the update15:16
HarhaanJohtaja.1.1.7.25 (17.7.2015): Fix an issue in package management middleware15:17
HarhaanJohtajamaybe 27.7.2015?15:17
Morpog_work??15:17
ursMorpog_work: oho. Do you know if it fixes keyboard layout switching?15:18
HarhaanJohtajafrom release notes15:18
Morpog_workHarhaanJohtaja: ah true15:18
Morpog_workurs: it's still optimizing here, but from release notes it would say no15:18
ursah well, ok15:19
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chem|stHarhaanJohtaja: early access is usually a week or so old15:28
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Tofeupdated smoothly already15:29
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chem|sthmm ok they wrote 15th for .24 ..15:34
Morpog_workupdate went fine here too15:38
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Stskeepztbr, i'd dearly hope ot15:54
Stskeepzn15:54
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kimmoliStskeepz: is "mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 476083, nr 8, cmd response 0x900, card status 0x80b00" bad ?15:59
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Stskeepzkimmoli: i'd say have a visit with a jolla office15:59
kimmolibut it kinda boots...15:59
kimmoliafter 3-4 minutes15:59
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Stskeepzno microsd in?16:00
kimmolino16:00
Stskeepzok16:00
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dirkvlwoop woop BAMWAR7 is at is again16:43
dirkvlat TJC16:43
dirkvltime to block some ip16:43
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r0kk3rzi find it interesting that they're experiencing the same spam at the fairphone forums as well16:55
r0kk3rzwhich is discourse based, not askbot. but they are using oauth2 like tjc is16:55
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Sailor-2getheryay http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/07/27/android-text-attacks/17:16
kjetilhofår håpe dette fører til at produsentane får betre rutiner for å distribuere patchar...  men eg tvilar17:18
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kjetilhoehh, sorry, I thought this was a different channel :)  I said: "I hope this leads to manufacturers putting in place better procedures for upgrading their software ... but I have my doubts"17:20
Sail0r:D17:21
Sail0rI don't think patches get any better because of such flaws17:21
Sail0reven many servers are still heartbleed affected17:22
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r0kk3rztoo much churn and abandoned products17:31
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r0kk3rzbut with closed devices you cant even upgrade it yourself17:31
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Sail0rand the internet of unpatchable crap17:32
Sail0raaah things17:32
Sail0rdoes it not make better17:32
r0kk3rzmaybe we need to update consumer protection laws17:33
r0kk3rzmanufacturers must provide security updates for electronic devices for X period of time17:33
r0kk3rzand software products17:33
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Sail0ryeah17:34
r0kk3rzbut yes, the malwarenet of unpatchable crap is a possible future17:35
Sail0rbecause it's much cheaper ...17:37
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r0kk3rzim sure they dont want to sell things with warranties and after sale support either, but they're made to17:40
Sail0ryep17:40
Sail0rlook at the jolla :P17:40
Sail0rno spare parts ;)17:40
r0kk3rzso maybe we need new rules for these fancy computer-in-a-brick things we keep making17:40
r0kk3rzi think i might mention that to my pirate party friends17:43
Sail0rhehe17:47
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Sail0rI don't want to imagine what flaws hide in Baseband or sim software17:48
Sail0ror the long outdated drivers for the mobile chipsets17:48
Yanielspeaking of software nonsense17:48
Yanielfound this gem in the wacom driver installer: "Wacom grants You a limited, non-exclusive license to (a) use and install a single copy of the Software , in machine readable form only, on a single computer or other similar device, solely in conjunction with the Product ..."17:49
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Yanielso uh.. I'm only allowed to install their drivers on one computer?17:50
r0kk3rzits a EULA, just because they write it doesnt make it legal17:51
r0kk3rzbut it does appear to read that way, you're only allowed to have one wacom product, for exclusive use with one machine only17:51
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jaacoppibut isn't it okay if you have multiple copies of the software and license?18:01
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r0kk3rzi dont think wacom are going to sue you over it, no18:12
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IZhHmm... I don't remember whether I entered any serial numbers while installing the driver. But I want to use in on both pc and laptop.19:20
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IZhIt seems that Wacom's forum is flooded with chinese spam.19:28
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Armadillomhm 1.1.7.2520:42
Armadillohas it been release today?20:42
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r0kk3rzArmadillo: another pre-release20:58
Sail0rwhat was the actual problem with 1.1.7.24?20:59
r0kk3rzsomething to do with packagekit20:59
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Sail0rcool my over 6k karma points account is blocked21:01
Sail0rbecause of "Spam was detected on your post, sorry for if this is a mistake Your account has been blocked "21:01
Sail0rwhat to do against this?21:01
Sail0rhttps://together.jolla.com/users/154/sailor/21:02
Sail0rwtf21:02
r0kk3rzneed a mod21:02
r0kk3rzlike tbr21:02
Sail0rtbr: are you online? I was just blocked when trying to answer https://together.jolla.com/question/102729/add-new-calendars-created-on-caldav-server/21:02
Sail0rchem|st:21:02
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Sail0ranswer was "Not at the moment :(. Does make me sad, too. Maybe there is a way from the commandline but I didn't yet figure it out." don't know why this triggered blocking my account -.-21:03
r0kk3rzor tigeli21:04
Sail0rtigeli:21:04
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r0kk3rzyou maybe got accidentally put into a spam user cull script21:04
Sail0ryeah, think so -.-21:05
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Sail0rvery interesting sometimes the account gets back to normal view of karma and so on21:09
Sail0rbut when I try to answer smth21:10
Sail0rit immediatly goes back to read-only :D21:10
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tigelir0kk3rz: hmmh..21:25
tigeliSail0r: I will check it21:25
Sail0rthank you21:25
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tigeliSail0r: I suspect the spam-detection is misbehaving right now :(21:30
Sail0r:x21:30
Sail0rthat sucks21:30
tigeliI will disable the akismet21:31
r0kk3rzshields up, brace for impact21:31
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tigelir0kk3rz: now it has been disabled21:35
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r0kk3rzseems quiet for now, hopefully our spammer friends have gotten tired and moved on21:41
phlixiif i would spam, i would not do that by hand, and of course that would mean automated checking, and thus i would be back with my spams shortly....21:42
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chem|stSail0r: what is the accountname?21:44
Sail0rSailor but tigeli is already looking at it :)21:45
chem|stand please dont spam me with logs of backlogs21:45
Sail0rsry but I thought you need some context21:46
Sail0rand not only "unblock me I am cool"21:46
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chem|stSail0r: when you say my name I get notified21:48
Sail0rYeah, I thought so but maybe you don't have backlog when not online21:48
Sail0rthere is a heavy amount of different BNC around21:48
chem|sttigeli: told eric about the akismet pita on tech forums, when I just let it flow I get every second post in moderation queue on tmo21:49
Sail0rso I thought sending you the context in private which most BNCs log21:49
Sail0ris not bad21:49
Sail0rso sorry again ;)21:49
tigelichem|st: yeah, but it also seems that it's not really "working" as one our admins just sent the blocked comment as a ham and it does not appear in the "false positives"21:50
chem|stSail0r: np, as admin, mod etc and people referring to old conversations I enabled logging on all bases and added a hilight box to my client21:50
tigeliI would love to have something like spamassassin for the askbot21:51
tigeliwould probably work much more better than akismet :)21:51
chem|sttigeli: selftrained akismet21:52
Sail0r:)21:52
tigelichem|st: yeah, pretty much21:52
chem|stthe heuristics are odd and it never seems to work...21:52
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