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dr_gogeta86good morning07:38
chem|sto/07:39
locusfgood morning07:40
dr_gogeta86locusf, huaw07:40
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birdzhangmorning07:43
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dr_gogeta86isn't /usr/sbin/btrfs balance start -dusage 50 / too much07:58
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dr_gogeta86on my phone never gone over 45% without problems07:59
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lainwir3dhi08:25
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birdzhanghi08:26
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NokiusHi09:44
Nokiusis the store borcken in 1.1.7.25? or is the backend under load?09:44
ggabrielfwiw, my store works in 1.1.609:45
ShadowJKstore was acting up for me most of yesterday09:46
ggabrieli didn't even get an update notification - is this ga now or ea?09:46
Nokiusif I open It it shows left corner Store no pull menu?09:47
Nokiussailor around?09:47
Tofe12:48 in .fi, likely that many sailors are eating :)09:48
zuttothe hq lunchplace seemed quite empty today09:50
zuttothere was just 3 other people eating when we went there at 110009:50
* Nokius checking what going on 09:50
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Nokiusmh store-client via cli fails to start09:52
Nokiusjornal is not helpfull09:55
arvutzutto: 1100 is always too early to eat\09:57
zuttowell, i come in at 0600, so not for me09:57
ggabrielzutto: +1, it's never too early to eat09:58
TemeV1100 is just perfect time when coming in at 080009:58
arvutdue to early sunlight?09:58
zuttono traffic, free parking spaces in ruoholahti available, and i get to leave early09:58
zuttoso, i always ;P09:58
ggabrielalso, no queue in lunch places09:59
ggabrielfresh food09:59
arvutand that would be finnish for elevator?09:59
arvutor escalator?09:59
zuttoggabriel: these places are filled at 11am09:59
zuttoso you have to time in at 1059 ;P09:59
ggabrieldamn09:59
zuttoespecially at the bebop at the jolla hq09:59
ggabrieli get very grumpy if i have to wait too long for lunch09:59
zuttosince some of the employees cheat on the line09:59
zuttoand dont go trought the normal route09:59
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zuttoarvut: what did you think was elevator/escalator btw?10:01
TemeV11 is quite good time for lunch in student restaurants because lectures end at 1210:01
TemeVqueues show up around 11:4010:02
Nokiuscan some check with 1.1.7.25 if the client works?  thanks10:03
TemeVHave to install it first10:03
Sailor-2gethermy store client works10:04
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birdzhangmy store client works too10:04
Nokiusare on 1.1.7.2510:05
Sail0ryep10:05
arvutzutto: no, I get it, its the lunch area, dininghall or whatever. ruoholahti10:06
Nokiusodd10:06
Sail0rinstalling and deinstalling works too10:07
TemeVok, now I'm on 1.1.7.25, works fine10:07
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Nokiusall I see is JollaStore::tryConnect:178 - void JollaStore::tryConnect() Already authorizing.10:08
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Sail0rsounds like smth hangs10:09
NokiusSail0r: smth?10:09
Sail0rsomething10:09
Nokius:)10:10
Nokiussure10:10
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Nokiuslets try turn off an on :D10:11
Nokiuslooks better, load takes still long but it works now wondering what was wrong10:14
Nokiusbut I'm not alone https://together.jolla.com/question/102389/11724-cant-install-updates-or-new-apps-from-jolla-store-or-update-to-11725/10:15
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Tofezutto: finn people cheating on a queue? Gosh, what has Finland become?10:46
zuttoyeah well, its occasionally quite annoying10:47
zuttoyou're in line, 3 before you.. and suddenly they all join the one that is before you and theres 15 people infront of you ;P10:47
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Nokiusreboot removes the old logs :,(10:59
TemeVNokius: you can change them to be permanent11:00
NokiusTemeV: sure but for the current issue I not able to provied logs :(11:01
TemeVyeah, of course11:01
TemeVbut you could now change it, so next time you have logs :)11:02
TemeVwhich reminds me, I have to check if os update resets that setting11:03
Nokius:)11:08
Nokiusnext time I will dump before rebooting :)11:09
Nokiusbtw. which file is a ggod indicatore when the update was made for big update I do screenshots but last night I didn't :(11:09
Yanielthe changelog of sailfishos-version?11:10
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NokiusYaniel: loaction :) thx11:13
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birdzhanghow to improve QtMultimedia SoundEffect volume ? I use SoundEffect in qml,the volume is very small11:29
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birdzhangset SoundEffect.volume:1.0 also sound very small11:30
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Oni_set it to 2.512:03
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birdzhangmax is 1.0, can set to 2.5?12:04
birdzhang:o12:04
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birdzhangwow,it works12:05
birdzhangthank you Oni_12:07
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ZombywufHi, I'm wondering if there's any way to interact with the text message service on the Jolla phone programatically13:55
Zombywufi.e. I want to read my text messages, with a bonus of being able to send them13:56
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tbrZombywuf: I'm sure there is. it's all telepathy and foo. if you want to see open source code that does this, look at the nemomobile messages application (it's a drop in replacement for the sailfish thing)14:04
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Zombywuftbr: Thanks14:07
ZombywufI've found an app called qmlmessages but the code seems rather spartan14:07
tbrcould be it14:08
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ZombywufHmmm, looks like there's a second thing qml-plugin-messages that actually does the work14:09
locusfthe problem is that only one app at a time can communicate with the telepathy messaging of sms's14:09
locusfconsult TemeV and SfietKonstantinW about this14:09
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TemeVZombywuf: reading messages is "easy". You should be able to use libcommhistory to read old messages or create telepathy observer client to listen for incoming messages14:54
TemeVwhich ever is the thing you need14:55
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TemeVabout sending messags I'm not sure, SfietKonstantinW is indeed looking in to the matter also, because he needs to send message from his app also14:56
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ZombywufAh, libcommhistory sounds like what i want14:57
ZombywufThanks14:58
TemeVby the way, there is a cli way to send sms, but then it doesn't show up in jolla-messages. If that is acceptable14:59
TemeVI think there is something about that somewhere in tmo14:59
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ZombywufCool, I mainly want to have a play around with it15:00
ZombywufLong term goal is some sort of remotely accesible SMS gateway15:00
Zombywuf(unless such a thing exists already)15:00
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TemeVZombywuf: sounds cool15:10
SfietKonstantinWI will explore sending message soon15:11
SfietKonstantinWbut not now15:11
SfietKonstantinWwaiting for new release API (to use C++11)15:11
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* Nokius anyone knows the reason why 1.1.7.25 had a different size from user to user? read that 1MB 3 MB 6MB even 25MB of size15:58
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* TemeV wonders why some people post normal questions as actions16:01
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ggabrielupdate size depends on the packages that you have installed me thinks16:04
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kimmoliis there store issues or is it just me?18:14
kimmolicant install/update anything18:14
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r0kk3rzme too kimmoli18:22
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TemeVLet's try18:24
TemeVSeems to be stuck in "Waiting" when I try to install Pitot18:24
TemeVAnd it failed18:25
kimmoliok, so backend issues, not me18:25
TemeVseems that way18:25
kimmolikontio: ^ ?18:25
IZhYaniel: I asked Wacom about driver. It's legal to download it free and install to any number of devices (of course for purpose of using together with Wacom tablets.) The different case is a bundled software.18:29
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Yanielthanks, I was going to email them about it18:32
Yanielstill, they should use a different eula for drivers18:33
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pdanekAnyone else can't wait for Intex?18:40
pdanekIf we can get TOH-compatible device with some Qualcomm 60X, 2G ram and better camera, what else to ask for.18:41
Sfiet_Konstantinpdanek: I ask for a T A B L E T !!!18:41
Sfiet_Konstantin:D18:41
TemeVpdanek: that they changed btrfs to something sane :)18:41
TemeVand also ability to flash the device would be nice18:42
TemeVTablet would be nice also18:42
pdanekTemeV: I was speaking about device, not OS, OS is now separate division.18:42
TemeVpdanek: well, filesystem is kind of part of the device since it can't be changed, at least on Jolla18:43
locusfyou probably couls if you patched the initrd to mount eg ext4 instead of btrfs18:44
TemeVprobably18:44
tabasko_what would be best way to get dictionary from WorkerScript (js) to QML?18:48
tabasko_I have tried to create ListModel on QML, fill it on WorkerScript but it seems to stay empty18:49
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tabasko_for example18:50
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tabasko_msg.postRepliesModel.append({"key": ["123","321"]});18:50
tabasko_msg.postRepliesModel.sync()18:51
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tabasko_how I can access that dict from QML? :)18:51
cb400fpdanek: do snapdeal ship to western europe?18:52
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tabasko_!topic18:57
merbottabasko_: Official sites: http://www.jolla.com  , http://twitter.com/JollaHQ - for customer care, https://jolla.zendesk.com | Co-creation @ http://together.jolla.com (bugs, ideas, etc) | Community offerings: http://forum.jollausers.com , http://elinux.org/Jolla , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=52 , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=56 | Logs @ http://bit.ly/JIcRDm18:57
r0kk3rzid be very surprised to see the intex phone get shipped outside of india18:58
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pdanek2rd party worldwide shipping companies are always an option.19:04
pdanek3rd*19:04
r0kk3rzim sure there are ways and means of getting one19:05
r0kk3rzbut not with warranty/support/etc19:05
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kimmoliwell, if it really has TOH support, would need one for checking that all works...19:12
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r0kk3rzjolla might be nice to you in that case kimmoli19:17
r0kk3rzbut you would hope that toh support means just that, same software, same i2c/nfc interface19:19
kimmoliwell, i doubt the gpio67 will be gpio67 in other hw. never know though19:20
r0kk3rztrue, maybe we find out19:23
kimmolialso e.g. chargemon uses some dedicated sysfs paths like pm8038-core/pm8921-charger19:26
pdanekYou must keep the hype alive.19:30
pdanekBelieve!19:30
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r0kk3rzyou'd have to deal with that on a per-device basis? sounds ugly19:31
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kimmoliwell, if the values would be available in other place...19:40
kimmoliatleast while coding it, that was only i could find19:40
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r0kk3rzhttp://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2015/07/28/intel-and-micron-produce-breakthrough-memory-technology19:50
r0kk3rzthis sounds too good to be true19:50
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kimmoli"comparison between 3D XPoint technology and other industry NAND" ...19:54
r0kk3rzbut 128gb on a single chip? yes thanks19:57
sharpneliIf it indeed is as fast as they say it can replace DRAM in many applications19:58
sharpneliSo it'll be just cache + that19:58
kimmoli128 Gbits...19:59
kimmolidepends is it marketing b or...19:59
sharpneliTrue19:59
r0kk3rzyeah well, its a press release, its all marketing20:00
r0kk3rzuntil its actually in something you can buy20:00
kimmoliwell, micron site did not have anything else..20:01
r0kk3rzbut if it lives up to even half of those claims, thats fairly significant20:02
r0kk3rzand i see no reason why intel needs to exaggerate20:02
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sharpneliYeah. They're already winning in so many fronts.20:05
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r0kk3rzif it was anyone else, id go "psssh, ill believe it when i see it", but its *Intel*20:14
kimmoliintel-micron JV20:14
kimmolithey had the 3D NAND earlier this year, which stacks MLC/TLC dies in 32 layer structure, but it just gained more bytes/chip.20:15
kimmoliso maybe this 3D-XPoint is continuum for that20:16
kimmoliusing variable voltage for addressing sounds .. error-sensitive20:16
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r0kk3rzyeah AMD have their HBM stacked dram thing as well20:17
sharpneliThe sad part about the HBM is that it has pretty much the same latency as GDDR5 :(20:17
sharpneli60-70ns20:17
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kimmolihmm, previous 3D-NAND samplig Q3-201520:19
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pdanekhttp://www.extremetech.com/extreme/182096-ibm-demonstrates-next-gen-phase-change-memory-thats-up-to-275-times-faster-than-your-ssd20:20
IZhYaniel: agreed. http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2481920:20
kimmoli90nm micron PCM process...20:22
kimmoliand that was year ago. afaik micron has already discontinued all >45nm processes.20:22
kimmoliwhich kinda sucks in my case... 28nm stuff, even SLC, is not so robust as old good dies20:23
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arvuthey, why does `ifconfig wlan0 up` not work after I change ether to custom value? (via `ifconfig wlan0 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx`). I get "Operation not possible due to RF-kill"?22:05
arvutI was doing this on my n9 all the time22:05
arvutand what is rf-kill?22:06
the_mgtrf-kill means your device is turned off by the rf switch (Which can be in software, too)22:08
the_mgton old laptops, you had a hardware switch for the wifi card22:08
the_mgtmost of the time, it was only a hardware trigger for a software "switch" and there should be a command line tool call rfswitch or rfkill or the like22:09
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arvutah yeah22:10
arvutaltho that is not available in devel-su prompt, rfcomm is though22:11
the_mgtbut i am totally clueless what the connection to sailfish or an N9 might be, just talking from memory22:11
the_mgtrfcomm is something different, iirc. related to bluetooth22:11
arvutk22:11
arvutwell, no rf-kill or rfkill on the prompt from fingerterm, I can find it in gentoo repos tho :)22:12
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the_mgtyeah, I used it on gentoo22:13
the_mgtthought it was some generell thing. there should be a kernel module or the like and you should find something under /proc22:13
the_mgtthe tool just switched stuff under /proc22:13
the_mgtlike echo'ing 0 or 122:13
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arvutah22:17
arvutso I could manually echo the value to proc and it would do what the program does?22:17
arvutif I know what I'm doing that is22:17
the_mgtexactly22:18
the_mgtfind /proc -name *kill*22:18
the_mgtcould help22:18
arvutthe_mgt: the problem is: I can turn on and off wlan0 via ifconfig, but can't turn it on with new MAC address22:18
arvutis that due to some lockdown of last used MAC?22:18
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the_mgtI do not have the slightest clue. last time I changed a MAC was on an ethernet card via some tool that flashed the device22:19
arvutwow, so you changed factory setting permanently then?22:20
arvutcause a simple reboot after ifconfig-method and it will be back to normal, or just changing it back from cli again22:21
arvutits neat for avoiding silly limitations on train/airplane wifi and such22:21
arvutor for whenever you don't wanna tell the world you actually got an iphone! xD22:22
the_mgtit was cable ethernet, not wifi. and somebody had changed the MAC to 00:00:00:00... before I changed it back to something normal22:23
the_mgtbecause our router would accept an all-0 mac and didn't hand out a dhcp lease22:23
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arvutlol22:28
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arvutI started looking up various MAC's and got stuck at 00:1a:00: suffix, some old japanese manufacturer, making mostly tv equipment nowadays I think, that specific range belongs to Matrix Inc.22:31
arvutthere are also Matrix Corp. at some other range nearby, probably same company22:31
arvut00:1b:ff or something like that22:32
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