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fennekkibuying another would be kinda pointless anyway since there's no indication they're going to ever release a newer phone00:55
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CazouHey guys, I'm hacking a bit on the bootloader, when unlocked, is the contents of the boot partition checked for integrity ?11:21
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r0kk3rzping Stskeepz11:23
r0kk3rzCazou: he'll know11:23
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Cazour0kk3rz: thanks11:33
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JonniCazou: depends what you mean by bootloader as there are multiple levels of loaders, you can easily brick the device if you make a misstake :)11:38
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Jonniemgload vs boot vs aboot11:44
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JonniCazou: afaik in jolla1, emgload loads aboot which loads boot(kernel), so I'm assuming that your hacking aboot and not emgload? So your question is that does emgload check aboot integrity?11:50
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JonniCazou: first word of warning, if you happen to mess up aboot, even jolla care is not able to reflash the device, as aboot recovery needs special factory flashing cable (luckily we have that one in the office). But the answer for the question is that custom aboots are possible (I've compiled a custom one in my phone (after 1st bricking the deivce few times)), so short answer is that aboot integrity is not checked when device is unlocked, but if you happen11:58
Jonnito make a misstake, its a permanent brick as jolla care is not able to reflash it.11:58
CazouJonni: I'm not planning to touch aboot, I'm only touching boot (partition 20)12:00
CazouI'm not sure if it can be modified without adapting aboot12:00
JonniCazou: ah, partition 20 is the kernel, and yes you can compile what ever custom kernels you want. Sources are available.12:00
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CazouJonni: thanks, how is it booted ? does it simply load the partition and interprets it as the kernel ?12:02
Jonniand with unlocked device you can reflash kernel with fastboot as many times as you want so editing that should be pretty safe12:02
CazouJonni: also, is there anyway to get some debug interface (like printks on the screen or an uart interface over usb)12:03
JonniCazou: yes if you enable framebuffer console on kernel configs you get the printks on the screen12:04
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pdanekhey, do you think intex hass resources to make top end smartphones like Meizu?12:05
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pdanekto see if we have chance to get same amazing phones as Ubuntu Touch12:09
pdanekstill it's unbelievable that platform like ubuntu touch gets so much attention from vendors, even though it's not nearly as mature as sailfish os12:10
ggabrielnot sure many people in india buy high end phones12:14
r0kk3rzand if they do, they're probably not going to buy from an indian manufacturer12:15
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pdanekright12:16
r0kk3rzmore like an iphone12:16
pdanekso Jolla needs Chinese vendor then12:16
r0kk3rzjust be patient, and see what intex has to offer12:17
r0kk3rzif another vendor crops up, then even better12:17
pdanekI'm patient too long12:17
pdanekmy Jolla is dying12:17
pdanekand out of warranty12:17
pdanekif phone gets our of warranty without any successor to buy, it's bad12:18
r0kk3rzwell thats the situation you find yourself in12:18
r0kk3rzjolla decided to put their efforts into making a tablet rather than a new phone12:18
ggabrielpdanek: buy another jolla? i'm not sure what you mean by "dying"12:20
ggabrielis it too slow or did it hit the floor so many times that it's dying?12:20
Stskeepzfwiw any oem has ability to do high end through odms12:21
Stskeepzits just always cost effective12:21
Stskeepz[B[Bnot12:22
ggabrielwell, yeah, but that's the question... how many people would buy? my thoughts are like r0kk3rz's... high end buyers in india will get an iphone or a samsung galaxy or something like that12:24
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r0kk3rzintex said they would launch the thing in september12:27
r0kk3rzand its now august12:27
r0kk3rzso, soon all will be revealed12:27
ggabrielthis year and this universe? :P12:27
r0kk3rzggabriel: inter-dimensional advertising doesnt work that well afaik12:29
r0kk3rzunless its a brave new world of time-travel12:29
r0kk3rzwherein you can advertise things in the past, to build hype in the present12:30
dr_gogeta86Stskeepz, i've gone back to the past 1.0.0.* firmware :-D12:30
dr_gogeta86somtimes hard reset is fun ...is like see a documentary about first day of sailfish12:30
r0kk3rzdr_gogeta86: yeah when you think about it, sailfish has come a long way in the last couple of years12:32
r0kk3rzyou dont notice it as much with the incremental upgrades12:32
dr_gogeta86as usual12:33
dr_gogeta86Stskeepz, any news from subcontinent12:33
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topi`I just did a factory reset to get rid of my reboot loop13:35
topi`now, do I really have to install all those updates that have landed in-between?13:35
topi`if i remember correctly, it was a few hours of work13:35
topi`how do I get rid of the tutorial?13:36
phlixithere is some trick, like tapping five times in the edge or something like this, dont know, sry13:37
phlixiand i also never did factory reset on my jolla, but iirc read many times that not all updates have to be installed, some will be skipped13:37
kimmolitap corners of screen, start from left-top13:38
phlixibut you should do them just like the phone asks you to do13:38
phlixithere you go13:38
phlixi:-)13:38
phlixii dont remember, is it that bad and endless, that you have to skip it? cant you just do it in 1,5 minutes?13:39
topi`I did13:39
phlixii would think, a... porbably faste to do it then find a workaround :-)13:39
topi`not everyone is of that type who likes to jump thru hoops, though.13:39
topi`yeah...13:39
topi`hmm, SIM not found13:39
phlixiits just different hoops if you dont know :)13:40
topi`let's reseat it and try again13:40
topi`wtf. black screen. and now just red led. not blinking, steady red13:41
topi`another reboot.13:41
topi`still no PIN query :(13:42
Teemuphlixi: doing the tutorials every time you reset a device gets pretty old very quickly, especially if you need to redo them after every update that is not skipped13:44
topi`ok I give up for today, and revert to my old and trusted N950 :)13:44
topi`it's slightly slow but still works13:44
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Teemuso, when was the last time you found a nut or bolt in your pizza?13:45
Liekemay contain nuts?13:47
Teemudidn't check if it said so on the menu13:48
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phlixiTeemu: well, i guess if you reset your device all the time, of course then you might want to skip the tutorial, oth why would you reset your device all the time?14:26
Teemuif i reset it even once i'd like to skip tutorials as i've already went through them14:27
BysmyyrI think they want to force the turorial because people skip them very easily even if they do not have any clue how to use it14:30
Yanielyou can skip the main tutorial14:34
Yanielbut afaik not the hints14:34
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tiwakeTeemu: my mom found a watch band once in her milkshake15:17
Teemu:D15:18
Teemui'm not sure if it was me or topi` who found a nut, roughly M6 or so, in his pizza15:18
tiwakeevidently the person making the milkshake had the watch fall off while she was making it and didnt notice, then a bit later couldent find the watch15:20
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leszekhi16:18
leszekI tried uploading an apk file to harbour but it keeps failing with the error message no rpm produced for foobar.apk. Anyone any idea ?16:18
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leszekis there a filesize limit for apk uploading to harbour ? Or what could be the issue ?17:09
sharpneliIf there is it should be the same as it is with Google. 50MB17:10
sharpneliIt's a somewhat fundamental limitation of Android. Some devices crash with APK's larger than 50MB17:10
pdanekSome games in Google Play have over 500MB17:11
zuttothere are a lot of games in google play that are over 500MB17:12
leszekhmm... ok my apk is only 11 MB big17:12
sharpnelipdanek: They download additional stuff via the extension mechanism. The .apk itself is 50mb17:13
sharpnelipdanek: And it's implemented in a retarded way. You have to have your own downloader in the app, thus requiring all kinds of permissions.17:13
pdanekwell in the Google Play itself it shows as downloading directly 500+ MB17:14
pdaneknot after starting the app17:14
sharpnelihttp://developer.android.com/google/play/expansion-files.html this17:14
zuttomax apk size in gplay is 4gb apparently17:14
sharpneliYes17:14
sharpneliBecause google hosts the expansion files17:14
sharpneliThey implemented that because so many games did it and users had no way of knowing how much space the app would actually take17:14
leszekOk I created a TMO thread and put a link to the apk as I think it is pretty interesting for all Jolla users who want a open source secure instant messaging TextSecure without Google Play Service: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1478454#post147845417:14
sharpneliAlso now you don't hae to host the expansion files yourself. Google does that for you17:15
sharpneliSee my link for description on how it works.17:15
leszekI would appreciated if someone from jolla harbour could help me getting it into the Jolla Store17:16
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Teguis it possible to share the wlan connection of jolla to a desktop?19:30
phlixiTegu: go to settings and activate it19:30
phlixithen from desktop connect to wlan19:31
TeguI mean, via usb19:31
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Tegunot mobile data19:31
TeguI agree that the use case is a bit weird but just wondering :D would be useful now19:31
phlixii am pretty sure it is possible, but i have no idea how19:32
Teguyea, I'd imagine it's possible as well19:33
phlixiobviously you will have to connect a network over usb19:33
phlixithen do some gateway stuff19:33
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Teguyea19:34
Tegusomething with iptables, I guess19:36
phlixigot bluetooth on the desktop?19:37
lainwir3di think i saw a tutorial somewhere19:42
lainwir3dhmm19:42
lainwir3dwait19:42
lainwir3doh, the website is down, but i'm pretty sure it was in http://elinux.org/Jolla19:43
lainwir3dgoogle cache doesn't have it :-( But yeah you can do it with developer mode and iptables19:44
lainwir3dguess you would have to wait for the page to come up again19:45
Tegumaybe some general linux ones work as well19:45
lainwir3dyeah19:47
lainwir3djust look for tethering with iptables19:47
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lainwir3dyou need to tether usb0 interface I'd guess19:47
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lainwir3dTegu: found a cache version from last december. A bit old but it seems the solution is there : http://web.archive.org/web/20141130235654/http://elinux.org/Jolla#How_do_I_enable_USB_tethering.3F19:49
Tegulainwir3d: thanks, I'll try19:51
lainwir3dyou're welcome19:51
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