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lainwir3dhi o/08:53
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Venemohey guys09:34
Venemowhat's up with TOHKBD?09:34
ggabrielo/09:34
ggabrielit's awesome09:34
Azogthe fit is not really tight, is this normal?09:34
ggabrieli discovered a hidden feature: it helps keeping the phone between your ear and your shoulder09:34
ggabrielit's quite tight for me...09:34
ggabrieldon't expect the same fit as the original toh as the plastic is different09:35
Azogthe fit of the keyboard to the OH09:35
ggabrieli notice that the kbd part is slightly lifted compared to the other bit09:36
ggabrielbut otherwise it's fine09:36
Azogcan you hold the phone, when you just grip the keyboard?09:37
ggabrielupside down? yes09:37
Venemowell09:37
ggabrielif i shake it, i notice it kind of tries to open, but it doesn't09:37
VenemoI saw on the website that I can no longer order one09:37
ggabrieldepends how hard you shake ofc09:37
Venemomeh.09:37
ggabrielVenemo: oh, no, you're late in that case09:37
Venemowhy? aren't they planning to make more of it?09:37
ggabrieli heard that one changed hands on ebay for twice the original price09:38
ggabrielthere is no reason, except that there will be no more09:38
Yanielwasn't it pretty much a oneshot batch anyway09:38
Azogit doesn't hold at the slightest shake09:38
Venemobut why not?09:38
ggabrielask dirk09:38
ggabrieli suppose it's too much work09:38
Venemoit's a successful project, so why discontinue it?09:38
ggabrielVenemo: dunno really, all i can say is speculation09:39
ggabrielAzog: ok, so you can hold it, but not shake it09:39
ggabrielit depends on how hard you shake09:39
ggabrieli've just shaken mine harder and it detached09:40
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Azogis dirk on the chaoscamp? would be the easiest way to ask him, if everything is ok09:40
ggabrieli don't think he's finished yet09:41
ggabrieland he may go on a well deserved holiday after that ;)09:41
LipevakalaOne azerty for sale? http://talk.maemo.org/showtread.php?t=9579109:45
ggabriel40409:45
ggabrielyou missed an h :P09:46
LipevakalaSorry for that.09:46
ggabrielit's sad that some people want to sell it due to needing cash09:46
ggabrielthen again, they'll get more cash so i guess that's ok09:46
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ggabrielVenemo: btw, one thing you can do is build it yourself. dirk said that he has keypads that he may be able to sell, but ask him if interested09:50
ggabrielthere's #jollatohkbd09:50
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SfietKonstantinWhttps://twitter.com/SfietKonstantin/status/627054222387859456 <-- comments discussions ?10:12
lainwir3dplease. no.10:17
Liekei prefer the cloud on my odroid10:18
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ursI thought cloud means that you neither know nor care where your data physically resides10:24
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ggabrielno, you actually do care where it is10:24
ggabriele.g., eu vs us10:24
ggabrielfor distance, data protection and so on10:24
ggabrieli mean, most people don't care10:24
ursso... ifI neither know nor care where my phone is... that means my phone is in the cloud?10:24
ggabrielbut you should care if you know stuff10:25
ggabrieli'd say your phone is in limbo10:25
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TeemuSfietKonstantinW: somehow like chromeos phone or ffoxos phone? everything works only when you're connected?10:39
Teemuall fine and dandy when all is fine but when you're out of network it'd bug the hell out of me to not be able to take any kind of notes or receive via human speech anybodys phone number or anything10:40
Teemuno calendar and no alarm clock either10:40
Teemuit's nice to have cloud services connected to local services but having only cloud... pfft10:41
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Pawkymy jolla phone has som e yellowish part on the righte side in the middle, viewable when the screen is all white. Am I alone?10:48
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PawkyAnd isn't it ironic the youtube clip regarding the jolla tablet 2.0 isn't viewable using the jolla browser due to unrecognizeable mime type... duh..10:49
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chem|stPawky: yellowish is hw defect, if your are still in warranty, send it in10:51
chem|stPawky: and what clip?10:51
Pawkythe clip promoted by the jolla tablet news mail...10:51
chem|stPawky: you need to update you youtube settings maybe10:52
Pawkymy jolla was the second batch sent... I presume that means no warranty anymore...10:53
Pawkymy youtube settings???10:53
chem|stPawky: EU is 2y warranty10:53
Pawkyhmm.. interesting :-)10:53
Pawkyjust wanted to check how common this "yellow blob thingy" was first10:54
chem|stPawky: some (I do not know numbers)10:54
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chem|stbut from the tablet HW blog post you can read that this is an issue with laminated touchscreens10:54
chem|stPawky: now with flash being turned off everywhere I recognized that some of my browsers play some dont10:55
chem|stso I checked settings10:56
chem|styoutube has a setting to use "experimental player" or something (maybe it is now called "new")10:56
chem|stran into it on most of my linux machines10:57
Pawkybut... eh... there are no "youtube settings" on the phone to my knowlede, and the browser setting only makes me change home page. What am I missing here?10:58
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chem|stPawky: login and use personal settings then11:01
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Pawkyduh... i do not login.. neither do i have an account nor would  I ever want one.. Don't you think its a bit far fetched doing this just to see a vide on jolla.com using the default browser?11:02
Pawkyon the opera browser it just works, hence I believe something needs to be fixed in the original browser.  Right?11:03
YanielPawky: http://youtube.com/html511:04
Yanielthat one11:04
chem|stPawky: that is youtube's fault then, I am logged in on the device...11:05
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Pawkyhow could that be, on opera it works, on the origina browser it complains about mime...11:05
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chem|stPawky: youtube presenting the wrong setup maybe or have a look at the browser git if there is a fix available11:07
Pawkythis is getting more interesting... if on the "settings" for youtube I choose Desktop, it actually runs the video.11:07
chem|stoh sry #jollamobile channel nevermind the git suggestion11:08
Pawkywouldn't that suggest the browser doesnt like the mime type sent when in "mobile" mode?11:08
chem|stPawky: maybe sailfish-browser requests wrong mime or youtube sends wrong mime11:09
chem|stboth possible11:09
chem|stwhat happens when you turn on html5?11:09
chem|stand what sfos version are you on11:09
Pawkyi presume going to desktop mode will do that... didnt see any other option on settings without being logged in.11:10
PawkyThe latest official one..11:10
Pawkychecking..11:10
chem|stbrowse to youtube.com/html5 (that is the setting)11:10
Pawky1.1.6.2711:10
PawkyI presume of some reason youtube sends me flash...11:11
Pawkyunless going into desktop mode.11:11
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Pawkythats cool.. didn't know that..11:14
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Pawkyis there a way to clear the cookies on the browser?11:16
Pawkyfound it11:16
chem|stdoes it still send flash after clearing cookies?11:17
chem|stflash should just be banned for good!11:18
Pawkyi needed to clear cookies to get rid of desktop mode, after this the jolla movie doesnt play...  I am chaning the html5 settings as we speak11:19
raa700well, there's only so much adobe can do to get flash banned, rest is up to browsermakers and webmasters11:19
SfietKonstantinWTeemu: no11:20
Pawkychoosing html5browser wont make any difference..11:20
SfietKonstantinWI want to replace cloud with my phone11:20
Pawky(doesn't)11:20
Teemuoh so the complete opposite of what i said11:20
SfietKonstantinWexample: Win 10 can backup your settings in the cloud, so that when you create a new account with a MS account, settings are downloaded11:20
SfietKonstantinWwhat I want is that my phone holds settings and when I connect my phone to a new devices, settings are available11:21
SfietKonstantinW(simple example)11:21
Teemuand the phone would naturally operate just fine without connectivity11:21
Teemuas much as can be done offline11:21
Pawkychem|st: Still no success clicking on youtube link at the jolla site after choosing "request html5 player" for the default browser :-/11:23
SfietKonstantinWTeemu: yep11:23
SfietKonstantinWthe idea is that you have an ecosystem of devices around the phone11:24
Teemui'd like that and then in addition to that, the phone could possibly backup its datasets to the cloud or to some of your own storages or both11:24
Teemuso that the cloud is there as one possible storage opportunity and not a central all-important piece like it nowadays seems to be11:25
Teemulike in the old days when you could sync your phone and your computer for some selected datasets such as contacts and calendar11:25
SfietKonstantinWTeemu: the phone is free to do stuff yep11:26
SfietKonstantinWlike backuping or analyzing your data11:26
SfietKonstantinWof course problem arises11:26
SfietKonstantinW1. storage11:26
SfietKonstantinW2. reliability of the phone to hold all these data11:27
SfietKonstantinW3. offline mode (contrary to cloud / internet, your phone might not be all the time in the center of your ecosystem of devies)11:27
SfietKonstantinW(like a smart-something at home won't be able to connect to phone-could whe you are at work)11:28
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Pawkyclicking on the jolla link, will make you go to the clip, but not run it.. choosing it from the list on youtube gives wrong mime type...11:29
PawkyI presume the changes made in www.youtube.com/html5 does not apply for m.youtube.com, the place you enter when clicking the link..11:30
Pawkyonly after choosing "Desktop" mode on youtube the clip will play... :-/11:31
PawkyAm I the only one who's noticed this???11:34
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PawkyOpera however, handles this perfectly...  Conclusion, one need a third party app to be able to watch the Jolla 2.0 video on www.jolla.com.11:37
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kimmoliPawky: works for me in native browser11:41
Pawkyfirmware?11:42
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kimmolisfos is 1.1.7.2511:42
Pawkyehh.. not the official one out there is it?11:43
kimmolithat is the EA11:43
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PawkyEA?11:43
kimmoliearly adopter11:43
Pawkywell.. im at 1.1.6.27, never got that invite.. :-(11:44
kimmolii have 1.1.6.27 in one phone,.. but that is in the office11:45
Pawkythought i was to get it once i signed in for it the first time11:45
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ggabrielPawky: i'm on 1.1.6 and video works ok11:45
ggabrielin native browser11:45
Pawkyggabriel: duh?.. you click and it works?11:45
ggabrieli'm logged out of google and all that crap if it helps11:46
Pawkybut... i cleared my cookies.11:46
TemeVPawky: there is no invites, you can opt in for early access updates with you Jolla account11:46
ggabrielPawky: it works, that's what i meant11:46
Pawkyi did that a long time ago... do you have to do it every time?11:46
ggabrieland i think that towards the end a sailfish should jump out of the water11:46
ggabrielthat'd be cool11:46
Pawkyggabriel: thats odd.. i am also logged out, and it doesnt work..11:46
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ggabrielPawky: google is well known for having faulty, well, everything11:47
ggabrielyou may be bound to a server that has bad code11:47
TemeVPawky: no. Just once in this "new" system. If you only did the old email opt in, then you have to do it again11:47
kimmoli<tag>blame google</tag>11:47
Pawkyggabriel: such as.... youtube?11:47
ggabrielexactly11:47
PawkyTemeV: that explains it..11:47
kimmoliaccounts.jolla.com11:47
Pawkyso... why doesnt it work on mine? I dont have anything special on mine...11:48
kimmolidoes other youtube videos work?11:48
Pawkywell..  if i change to desktop in the browser (on the youtube options without being logged in) it works....11:49
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Pawkykimmoli: other ones do work... at least "taylor swift - bad blood ft. kendrick lamar" ...11:51
kimmolidunno then... something fishy11:52
PawkyFound it!!!11:53
Pawky:-)11:53
Pawkyits because the link on the jolla site is https ....11:53
Pawkyyes, you heard me right... changing it to http it works.11:54
chem|stwtf11:54
locusfwot11:54
Pawkyyup... wtf it is indeed...11:54
chem|sttigeli: can you have a look at Pawky account for not working EA11:54
Pawkychanging back to https... not working... great fun this11:55
chem|stPawky: let me try that...11:55
locusfand its account.jolla.com11:56
locusfnot accounts.jolla.com11:56
Pawkynoticed that..11:56
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locusfok11:56
Pawkychem|st: I am still talking about the youtube stuff... not account.jolla.com... just to be clear here..11:56
locusfffs11:57
Pawkystill... my account should state i have opted in for EA...11:57
chem|stPawky: yes11:58
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chem|stPawky: check if it is please11:58
Pawkyi will.. but its time to leave the office,  friiiiiiiday :-)11:58
chem|stnot yet, have another 2h...11:59
Pawkydid you try with https?11:59
chem|stand melting nano-tips with 100fJ Laser^^11:59
Pawkycool...11:59
chem|stPawky: I am logged in, htat is always https11:59
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Pawkyok.. well i can only say, for us who do not have a youtube account, and do click the link on the jolla site to the jolla 2.0 video, wont be able to view the movie until changing the link to http://12:00
Pawkythats my contribution for today... see you all :-)12:01
PawkyThe https link does however work nicely in the opera browser...12:02
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chem|stklicking HD button (swithcing to SD) and I get the mime error too12:07
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ggabrielany aptoide user about?12:20
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MikaelaI have it installed, but I haven't used aliendalvik so much lately12:52
ggabrieln/m works now12:53
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ggabrielbut thanks12:53
ggabrieli ended up deleting uber since they don't seem to fix it (read: decouple from gservices)12:53
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ggabrielso now the only android application i use is here12:53
ggabrielchem|st's fault :P12:53
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MikaelaI mostly use authy12:54
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chem|stggabriel: #blamechem|st13:12
ggabrielit's a possible blame this one though13:13
ggabrielerm positive13:13
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ggabrielbrain half working, clearly i drank too much yesterday13:13
chem|stggabriel: reminds me, BMW,Daimler,Audi has bought HERE13:13
ggabrieli have read13:13
chem|stand those *tards have not committed my changes13:13
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poghello - i'm still playing arround with my jolla - I'm wondring wether it's possible to keep an application in foreground, when for example timer-application is running. I always have to reselect the application after touching, when the screen goes to sleep mode.13:18
ahjolinnachem|st: they haven't bought HERE... yet13:19
ggabrielpog: you mean after locking?13:19
lainwir3dpog: you can reselect it if you unlock the screen before ~20seconds I think13:19
pogafter a few seconds the screen is getting black, and the the application seems always as small icon.13:19
ggabrielpog: try unlocking with touble click of power button13:20
ggabrielif you don't have lock code, it should work13:20
ggabrieliirc13:20
ggabrielbut what you describe is the whole idea anyway13:20
pogyes, after only a few seconds, its still o.k. (I think).13:20
ggabrielyou can extend the autolocking time too13:20
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ggabrieli left mine in max (10')13:20
TMavicaJolla support windows 10 or not? Anyone tried?13:21
ggabrieland i press the power button or swipe down from multitasking screen when i want to lock13:21
TMavicaLike ssh, telneting13:21
pogo.k. thanks for the hint ggabriel13:21
ggabrielTMavica: ssh and telnet are standard protocols, so they should be supported unless there's a bug in w1013:21
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TMavicaSo i am asking who have tried. Lol13:22
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kimmoliwindows? ssh? iirc even telnet client is not installed by default since 7 (iirc)13:33
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ggabrielwell, why would you make windows useful?13:35
ggabriel(telnet doesn't come with sailfish either :P )13:35
the_mgtand we all agree on the tremendous usefullness of telnet13:36
ggabrieltelnet is rather awesome13:36
the_mgt"telnet is my mail client, bro"13:36
ggabrielnc is probably better13:36
TMavicakimmoli: telnet can enabled, but ssh is cant13:36
Yanielputty or similar is anyway among the first things anyone installs on windows13:36
Yaniel..right?13:36
kimmoliyes13:37
ninnnuhttp://blogs.msdn.com/b/powershell/archive/2015/06/03/looking-forward-microsoft-support-for-secure-shell-ssh.aspx13:37
the_mgtthere is putty/winscp, if both run on win10, win10 is "jolla ready"13:37
ggabrielYaniel: yup, but apparently w10 comes with cli ssh13:37
chem|stahjolinna: yeah well the deal is not through yet13:37
Yanielwhaat13:37
the_mgtggabriel: rofl, it is probably compatibel to 3,7% of all ssh servers?13:37
Yanielokay, vs 2013 has git integration13:38
Yanielso it kinda makes sense13:38
ggabrielthe_mgt: ok, let's not be so harsh with the m$ people, maybe they do it properly13:38
ggabrieli mean, it only took them what? 10-15 years?13:38
the_mgtthen it is maybe 37% percent of all servers13:38
the_mgtbut no root login and only password based13:39
the_mgtand bluescreens on utf813:39
Yanielno root login is mostly a good thing tbh13:39
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TMavicaWindows 10 i saw a beautiful Ui...gone want to try13:40
the_mgtYaniel: I switched to closing ssh ports and using vpn only, from there on, rooot login is prett much ok13:40
ggabrielssh root@the_mgt13:41
ggabrielsorry wc13:41
ggabriel:P13:41
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nanderMy phone doesn't want to start.. It seems the battery is wonky - again -23:48
nanderIt has been charging for two days23:48
nanderOne day on my computer port, one day from a wall charger23:48
nanderI would have bought a new battery 6 months ago, but ....23:49
nanderI'm never going to buy another Jolla. If you advertise replacable battery, but don't offer replacement batteries, then you're a bad kind of company and should be ashamed of yourself23:49
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