#jollamobile log for Friday, 2015-08-21

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Yanielnot all settings require the code03:05
Yanielbut basically you have a problem yes03:06
Yaniel(having a way to bypass the security code would defeat the point of having the code in the first place)03:07
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Nicd-I think only Jolla can remove the security code04:54
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narchiesio preorder is open05:37
narchieis it shipping in may too_05:37
narchieobviously retail customers will get this before any backers/preorders05:46
narchienext year05:46
narchiebecause of "shipping problems"05:46
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intehello, anybody using whatsup here07:57
inte?07:57
intei accidentaly deleted a chat07:58
inteis zhere any way to recover it?07:58
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narchiepreorder08:03
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coderusinte: recover conversation history?08:06
coderusno, its not possible08:06
coderusunless you know how to recover deleted records from sqlite3 stored on btrfs08:06
narchiecant wait to buy my jolla tablet from dna kauppa in  1 month!08:06
narchiewhile waiting for my early access backer product shipping may201608:06
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integrr08:07
intesorry client problems08:07
inteif anyone replied, please write again08:07
coderusplease read backlog08:07
Mikaela2015-08-21 11:06:10+0300 < coderus> inte: recover conversation history?08:08
Mikaela2015-08-21 11:06:16+0300 < coderus> no, its not possible08:08
intesomehow my android environment is eating too much ram and frequently closing ny apps08:08
Mikaela2015-08-21 11:06:19+0300 < coderus> unless you know how to recover deleted records from sqlite3 stored on btrfs08:08
intecoderus thanks08:08
coderusinte: http://merproject.org/logs/%23jollamobile/latest.log.html08:08
intesound complicated08:08
intecool set bookmark!08:09
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inteseems like whatsup development was stopped and the code never published08:10
intetoo bad08:10
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intebtw, coderus, are you still working on mita?08:11
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coderusinte: not yet08:12
intewell sounds good still. implies you will:)08:13
inteis it possible to but a swap file on sd?08:15
inteim currently using 8,25gig, but my btrfs is almost completly allocated (even after balance) and apps are feequently closing especially when dalvik is running08:16
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interenders the "run android apss in background" feature introduced with the last update pretty useless:(08:17
fluxI think swap files on btrfs may be a bad idea. but you could put one of the SD card :)08:19
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coderusrepartition and add normal swap partition which will work as usual?|08:21
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fluxtoo bad jolla doesn't use LVM :)08:26
dr_gogeta86inte you need to gently reblanace08:27
dr_gogeta86step by step08:27
dr_gogeta86dfree 1008:27
dr_gogeta86till 3008:27
dr_gogeta86with that occupation i suggest to don't overdo otherwise you need to stop it by recovery08:27
dr_gogeta86btrfs balance start -v -dusage=10 /08:28
fluxdoes jolla2 use btrfs?08:29
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coderusdoes jolla2 exists?08:30
Stskeepsnobody knows.08:31
TemeVflux: Rumor says tablet has LVM+EXT4, if there will be Jolla2, I guess it would have the same08:31
fluxwell I was referring to the tablet, perhaps a bit wrong term08:31
pp_what, they're fed up with btrfs bugs :D08:31
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Hellewill I ever have a tablet in my hands :P08:31
Hellepp_: but, but butterfs08:31
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fluxI wonder if btrfs has in the end resolved the issues, but Jolla is stuck at an older version..08:32
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Helleflux: no, the same issues still apply08:32
TemeVMost of the issues are solved08:33
TemeVI had a btrfs system on my desktop, there was no need for balancing etc08:33
TemeVBut the disk got full and btrfs got totally broken08:33
pp_it's hopeless on 3.4 kernels, I'm sure....08:33
pp_well, works-well-enough-level, which is about there08:34
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coderusTemeV: well, tablet is intel, so no qualcomm, right?08:35
TemeVcoderus: yes, but what's that got to do with btrfs?08:35
TemeVoh you mean it would have more recent kernel08:36
TemeV?08:36
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phlixi_Hi :-)14:40
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phlixisometimes I get this: http://phlixi.de/filedump/jolla_not_enough_storage.png14:40
phlixiany ideas how to fix this?14:40
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phlixi...or how to investigate14:42
coderusphlixi: delete something :)14:44
coderusand read this one: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/14:44
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phlixicoderus: thanks. Of course there is nothing full14:53
phlixi...i should had have mentioned that14:53
phlixisorry14:53
Mikaelathat thread often makes it being full without being full14:54
phlixithe message contains "blablabla, to receive message" thus it is something from the app, because if the message would be generated from the system,  (and not from the app) it can not know ithat the space is needed for something to be received14:55
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phlixibut i suspect threema will say "you are running it on sailfish, its not supported" and the jolla side will say "its ruan error of the app, go away" :-(14:57
phlixiWTF, 7GB?15:01
coderusphlixi: so you dont nkow what app sent this message?15:01
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phlixicoderus: i know exactly  it is threema, otherwise the nmessage could not know that it is discarding a message15:05
phlixithus it can not be a message from the os (how should the os know, that the space that seems to not be available should have been used for a message)15:05
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phlixiMikaela: so this: http://phlixi.de/filedump/jolla_bballoc.png means it is full?15:09
MikaelaI am unfamiliar with that output15:10
phlixi10071698309 is less than 13153337344 ...so its actually not full. right?15:11
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coderusbtrfs fi show15:18
phlixiafter skimming through the thread i am pretty sure i do not have a balance problem15:18
coderusbtrfs fi df /15:18
coderusthen just your app is crazy15:18
phlixiyes, it does not say 13 of 13 it says 6 of 1315:18
phlixiyes, that what i initially suspected15:18
ggabrielstop using crazy apps15:19
phlixithat is not an option15:19
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ggabrielthen you'll never get good quality apps15:20
phlixiwell, the alternative would be to write my own app and pay .9 eur per message, but that will not happen as i do not have the time to write asn threema client.15:21
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phlixithus i am dependent on the android client15:21
phlixihowever, i highly suspüect that the threema support will say "you are running it on sailfish, that is not supported".15:22
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phlixi...and after all it might be a bug in the android compatibility15:22
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phlixibtw, ggabriel the jolla system (system as in eco system with all apps etc) is super crazy and wonky compared to android / ios, thus i am pretty much doomed to use a lot of crazy stuff...16:10
ggabrielwell, i beg to differ. i can start by saying that the way android (doesn't) implement xmpp is pretty crazy/outdated/in google's interest and so on16:12
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ggabrielbut this is a matter of opinion only16:12
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attahseems i borked btrfs (crashes on screen shutting off) :( http://piratepad.net/aBeFC6RDpV16:18
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attahAny non-destructive suggestions on what i can do? (I assume recovery would work.. but seems a bit much)16:20
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attahwhy is there a password on the zendesk? :S16:26
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phlixiggabriel: from a user point of view this actually not relevant at all. hangouts/imessage pretty much "just work" and they will not even know what xmpp might be. However, i did not wanted to start a flamewar, but just begging to differ, how crazy it is to say not to use crazy apps because, the whole jolla eco is crazy.16:37
phlixiggabriel: Jolla is so crazy, it does not even do the most basic things like copy and paste or calender things. things that phones could handle even before they where smart. Thus if i should not use crazy stuff, then i would have to use android or ios, or even windows. they are magnitues more mature / less crazy16:38
phlixiggabriel: if you need more examples of "the most basic stuff" that is missing on jolla, i can tell you a lot more.16:38
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r0kk3rzyeah thats true, but if you want a mature platform, get an android phone16:40
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phlixi...this is one is really making me mad, mostly because it is done INTENTIONALLY!16:42
phlixithe browser loads new pages in the last tab...16:43
phlixir0kk3rz: i do not want to use google/apple devices. i am just mad about the stupid comment about not using crazy stuff.16:43
r0kk3rzandroid doesnt mean google per se16:44
r0kk3rzyou can distance yourself from google and still use android, if thats what you want to do16:44
r0kk3rzunderstood about apple/microsoft, but there are a few different flavours of android, third-party stores, privacy oriented tools .etc16:45
phlixir0kk3rz: you joined after the the rest of the conversation. i do not want to use android16:46
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r0kk3rzas is your choice, but getting mad because there isnt an adequate replacement helps no one16:46
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phlixithe only thing i am really mad about is this one: https://together.jolla.com/question/45661/opening-an-url-no-longer-opens-a-new-tab-since-10716/16:48
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phlixijolla intentionally flipped the switch to break behaviour and ignores that it was a bad edcision16:48
r0kk3rzthe engine is a bit of a ram hog, which likely influenced the decision16:50
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pdanekHey guys,16:50
pdanekIs Fairphone 2 going to support Sailfish?16:51
r0kk3rzsometimes loading a single page is enough to engage the oom-killer16:51
r0kk3rzpdanek: only jolla knows the answer to that question16:51
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r0kk3rzthey were allegedly in talks with the fairphone guys16:51
phlixir0kk3rz: so what, i do not whant to lose a tab if i oipen a new one. if i would not need the old one, i would have had closed it16:52
phlixithis way i allways have to have a "spare tab" open16:52
pdanekEven though Fairphone 2 is expensive as hell, I will go for it.16:53
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pdanekAnnouncement os SF2. on FP2 might raise their sales quite a lot, considering they have only about 15k pre-orders, so they're as small as Jolla is.16:54
r0kk3rzphlixi: you also wouldnt like it if the oom-killer kept killing all your apps whilst using the browser either16:54
r0kk3rzeven though it already does16:55
phlixir0kk3rz: you didnt get the point16:56
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phlixiunfortunately i have to afk now, thus i will not explain it to you now16:57
r0kk3rzphlixi: i got it just fine, dw16:57
phlixino16:57
phlixibecause NOW it using MORE memory, as i alwas have the additional tab16:57
phlixiplus i am annoyed by always having to make sure i have to have the additional tab16:57
phlixiplus i always have to navigate "back" to the "real" last tab, because it is covered by the "spare" tab16:58
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locusfuse web pirate?16:58
phlixiit makes no sense at all and uses more resourses then just opening a new tab16:58
locusfit has the open in new tab feature16:58
r0kk3rzphlixi: thats because you changed your usage pattern, not jollas fault16:59
phlixir0kk3rz: because jolla forces me to, otherwise i loose my last tab if i opena link from lets say tweetian17:00
phlixiits just ridicoulius.17:00
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pdanekDo you guys actually like Fairphone initiative?17:06
pdanekWould you buy it if FP2 releases with Sailfish?17:06
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pdanekhttp://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone2.html#technical-specifications17:07
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HtheBcoderus: poke17:21
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HtheBguys, does someone over here use Whatsup?17:24
Liekenah17:31
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Mikaelais it just me or has everyone been asking about whatsup a lot recently?17:36
r0kk3rzlots of people used to ask about mitakuuluu too17:37
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HtheBI'm just looking for users who are using Whatsup17:39
HtheB:)17:39
HtheBthats all for now :P17:39
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HtheBMikaela: do you use it?17:40
Mikaelano17:40
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tadzikI have it installed18:04
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pdanekHow do you guys see BB10 vs Sailfish OS in terms of progress in development?18:27
pdanekDoes SF have faster development? More progress?18:27
HtheBsf gets updates monthly18:27
pdanekObviously BB10 is still much more mature and technicaly superior, but what about the development speed18:28
HtheBsf team listens to their users (sometimes)18:28
pdanekHtheB: BB listens to community too18:28
HtheBthen I dont know18:29
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HtheBits funny to see that a 100% feature full device (n900) goes downhill with the features (N9)18:29
HtheBand totally busting out with Sailfish18:29
HtheBso many features missing :(18:30
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pdanekHtheB: and the apps...18:35
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pdanekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DW733G76BY18:43
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BlizzzJolla Store apps tells my system update is available. In the system settings, however, it's only written that last time checked for an update was a day ago. Manually checking for the update leaves me with eternal "Checking for updates…" (nothing happens). Known issue?18:49
BlizzzHad a reboot once without success.18:49
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Nokiusso thp is used a iPhone SailfishOS and Jolla get's bashed [https://twitter.com/J0llaPL/status/634808548585828352]20:45
pdanekWhy would all Jolla employees have to use Jolla phone?20:47
pdanekIf I will work for Dell as programmer, does it mean I have to buy only Dell laptops for my personal use?20:47
pdanekHorrible tweet.20:47
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Nokius:D20:53
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r0kk3rzthat twitter account seems to be all about the jolla bashing21:15
r0kk3rzfor whatever slight21:15
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HarhaanJohtajahttps://twitter.com/fk_lx isnt that guy behind that?21:17
HarhaanJohtajaor who it was that harrassed some family member of jolla employee?21:18
HarhaanJohtajahttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9324921:21
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HarhaanJohtajahttp://jollamoralstandards.blogspot.fi/2014/05/legal-steps.html21:24
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coderusoh please don't refer to that trash site21:41
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fennekkithat's uh, what21:46
fennekki...I'm not even going to read beyond the claim that not replying on IRC or email is abusive behaviour21:47
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fennekkiwhatever happened after that can't be any better anyway21:49
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