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leinirsilver_hook: Neat :)07:21
leiniras for long off being useful, well... not as long as it might seem ;)07:21
* Stskeeps should watch that talk and send a barrage of comments to leinir07:22
Stskeeps:P07:22
leinirStskeeps: ;)07:22
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aupoHey, I'm trying to Recovery Mode my Jolla (I managed to brick it during the new update, it seems.)07:34
Stskeepsmm?07:34
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aupoAfter following the steps to start Recovery Mode on Windows 10 I end up with a driver name "null" and trying to connect to 10.42.66.66 I get "(null)" as response07:35
aupoSo I'm probably doing something stupid here.07:35
aupoBut I cannot seem to figure out what :/07:35
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lainwir3do/07:37
Stskeepsaupo: any chance of booting up an ubuntu usb stick?07:37
aupoNot right now; later I can probably cook something up.07:38
aupoIf terminal-only is fine, I can boot up an ArchLinux NetInst07:38
aupoThought that is later as well.07:38
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Stskeepsterminal only should be fine07:38
aupo(Once again we learn that one should ALWAYS carry the NetInst key drive.)07:39
Stskeepswindows 10 is a bit unknown for us :)07:39
aupoAight, I'll be back later then :)07:39
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Ranskuhi08:41
Ranskuhow to get aptoide working? just crashes08:42
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coderusStskeeps: check https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff570660(v=vs.85).aspx09:52
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coderusaupo: fixed win1 problem?09:58
coderuswin10*09:58
coderusi just tried it myself and found working driver09:58
coderushttps://coderus.openrepos.net/rndis/10:04
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Nicd-"Btrfs-balance command is scheduled to run in Tuesdays 3:00am as a service. Unfortunately it does not seem to work. It did in 1.1.4.28 but not in later versions, regardless of whether the phone is in sleep state or not."10:38
Nicd-errrr, is this still true?10:38
Yanielthe requirement is being connected to a charger at that time10:40
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Nicd-I know that10:54
Nicd-but that seems to say it doesn't work at all10:55
Sail0rhttps://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-spying-on-you.html10:55
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Yaniel"so you don't want to upgrade to win10 because of these features? here, now they are on your current version as well"10:57
Sail0r:D10:59
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* Stskeeps credits leinir for speaking in a way that can be watched at 1.84x speed12:25
leinir;)12:26
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Liekebut why no shoes?12:42
ggabrielgnd is important12:42
leinirLieke: ...why shoes? they just make your feet smell :P12:46
Liekei see :D12:46
KabouikGuys, now that my SD card (second time in 2 months) is dead and I lost all my music and Android apps on the Jolla, is it possible to mount a Linux folder over wifi on the Jolla, so that I can play my laptop's music on the Jolla, when I'm at work but not in the office?12:50
KabouikI could mount a Windows folder using FishNetMount, and smb, but no success with my Linux laptop12:51
ggabrielKabouik: sshfs?12:52
KabouikI tried sshfs from the Jolla but command unknown. Is there a package for it? I must have missed it12:53
KabouikOh yeah there's one12:53
ggabrieluhm... can't remember12:53
KabouikBut FishNetMount should work too12:53
ggabrielyou're on your own when it comes to windows stuff :) at least from my side, sorry12:54
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KabouikIt doesn't come to Windows stuff, that's the point :)12:54
KabouikIt already works for my Windows PC, but can't configure it correctly for Linux. I must do something wrong, I'm sure it should work12:54
ggabrielmaybe all you're missing is that package?12:55
ggabrieli don't know... i'd use the cli myself12:55
KabouikI can ping my laptop but cannot ssh into it, I guess that's why sshfs fails too12:56
ggabrielmaybe a firewall issue12:59
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KabouikOk, got it to work ggabriel :)13:08
ggabriel\o/13:09
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silver_hookHmmm, it’s been about 20h now and the screen is still blank and unresponsive and the LED white.13:23
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Stskeepssilver_hook: that doesn't sound good, contact caer?13:25
Stskeepsre13:25
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silver_hookStskeeps: ,o/13:25
silver_hookStskeeps: jolla.zendesk.com or e-mail?13:26
Stskeepsjolla.zendesk.com, i don't thin e-mail is active anymore13:26
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silver_hookStskeeps: Em, the “ send us a support request.” link points to nowhere.13:29
silver_hookSee: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205822058-SailfishOS-update-1-1-7-28-Bj%C3%B6rntr%C3%A4sket13:29
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ilpianistasilver_hook, happend to me too :-(13:30
AL13N_workdo you guys still need the journallogs of hanged/slow update ?13:30
silver_hookilpianista: Did you manage to fix it?13:30
AL13N_worki'm planning on doing the update soon-ish13:30
ilpianistasilver_hook, nope.13:30
AL13N_workif you do, let AL13N know, k?13:30
silver_hookilpianista: Did you contact care already?13:30
Stskeepssilver_hook: reporting..13:31
ilpianistasilver_hook, I had no time to understand what happened because I had to leave, and then I restored it with recovery13:31
silver_hookilpianista: Oh, so you could recover it? How?13:31
AL13N_workthe vibrate function, that had been broken for me, seems to return once in a while in a very low intensity... i guess it must be a loose contact or something... i guess i should contact care for that13:31
ilpianistasilver_hook, I lost everything. I used the recovery to reset it13:31
silver_hookilpianista: Meh, not cool.13:32
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ilpianistaas I said, I had no time to understand what happened13:32
keesjlo13:32
ilpianistasilver_hook, I suspect my home to be full13:32
silver_hookilpianista: But yours also got stuck during the optimisation phase …before the actual update install?13:33
ilpianistayes13:33
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ilpianista"optimisation" :-)13:33
silver_hookilpianista: So, you made a factory restore and then updated to latest version?13:35
ilpianistayes13:35
silver_hookHow long did that all take?13:36
ilpianistawith a good connection less then 1 hour13:36
ilpianistado not install any app until you get the last update13:36
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silver_hookMeh, I’ll try to fix it, I don’t want to lose all my photos and messages since the last backup :/13:40
silver_hookilpianista: But good to know that the alternative works. Do you happen to have the link to the HowTo at hand?13:41
ilpianistasilver_hook, it's simple as: remove battery, press volume down and insert battery, press power button while keeping pressing volume down13:42
silver_hookCool, thanks :D13:42
ilpianistasilver_hook, jolla logo appears with white led, you can telnet to jolla13:42
* ilpianista looking for the phone address13:43
ilpianistahttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode- :-P13:43
ilpianistasilver_hook, let me know if you restore your data. I'm curious to know what happened13:44
silver_hookilpianista: Will keep it in mind. Thanks :)13:44
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adherrymeh13:47
adherrydoes indiegogo allow credit card payments?13:48
adherrybuying a jolla tablet on the jolla site only works with a paypal account :(13:49
the_mgtadherry: it does accept visa at least, possibly others13:50
adherryok13:50
the_mgtand I am not sure, but last time I bought from jolla, I used my credit card, too13:50
the_mgtmaybe it is this "fullfilled by paypal" stuff, where you do not need an account13:51
adherrywell13:51
adherrypaypal either offers you to pay with your account or you have to create one in order to pay13:51
the_mgtthats lame13:52
adherrypaying without an account is rare13:52
the_mgtebay.de does it plenty of times13:52
adherrywell, depends on paypal13:52
adherrywhen they datamine you as ex user or recurring user they demand you to create an account13:52
the_mgtthey want to abandon every non-account payment option in the long run13:52
the_mgtthey try to sneak that in, yes. but I have been able to avoid it13:53
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Stskeepsadherry: you can pay without account13:56
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silver_hookStskeeps: I sent out the ticket, thanks.13:57
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adherryI tried it on the jolla site14:03
adherrydid not work14:03
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adherryStskeeps you want a screenshot?14:06
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Stskeepsadherry: raise it with care, quite sure you can14:09
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adherryhttps://s3.amazonaws.com/adherryshare/Screen+Shot+2015-09-01+at+16.10.18.png14:14
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the_mgtsneaky bastards, adherry14:17
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adherrywhoa14:20
adherry75$ shipping on indiegogo^^14:21
adherryaint nobody likes small numbers^^14:21
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silver_hookSilly question: is there an ETA how long Care needs to process tickets nowadays?14:21
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adherryseems like paypal stops to offer that because they say you have a higher conversion rate14:36
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taaemhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nextbit/robin-the-smarter-smartphone and the next android manufacturer15:22
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the_mgtdoes it support the cloud?15:26
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taaemthe_mgt: as far as I understand its simply uploading all your data in their cloud so it could delete it from your phine :-/15:32
taaemphone*15:32
the_mgttaaem: I tried to be funny, after reading "cloud" for the umpteenth time on the kickstarter description15:33
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taaemthe_mgt: yeah thats all over the site :D15:36
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the_mgtI do not quite get why they sell hardware instead of just the service15:40
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Raimafter installing 1.1.7.28, I tried to use the new Android settings, but I cannot tap the WhatsApp icon in the app settings, it is grayed out. however, this works for other apps such as Threema or Telegram.16:37
Raimany idea what the reason might be that it is not working for WhatsApp?16:37
Raimironically that's the example used in zendesk...16:37
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kimmolirobin.. meh.. waiting for camera which is not on phone, but uses cctv etc surveillance /satellite to take a photo for you...16:50
the_mgtcloudsourcing the selfies!16:51
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Raimokay, reinstalling WhatsApp solved the problem for me, now the app settings are available16:53
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urlaubixhi there. How much disk space is needed exactly for this optimization before update? I have 5.0 GB free and it says it's not enough, so I can't update.17:02
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coderusurlaubix: btrfs fi show17:04
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Yanielsee https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/17:04
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AL13Ndid anyone get the tablet shipped yet? i read about the production being ready and tested... a few weeks back17:06
urlaubixcoderus: "used 8.35 GiB". Doesn't say how much it will need...17:06
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pdanekA lot of desktop OSes are switching to rolling release model, even Windows 10... and Ubuntu is already planning it.17:08
pdanekIf it's right way to go and Ubuntu and Windows are doing it.17:08
urlaubixYaniel: thx, looking into it17:08
pdanekWhy mobile OSes don't do it?17:08
pdanekOh, they do.17:09
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* AL13N is optimizing now... should i check back in a half an hour? or just wait an hour anyway?17:23
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r0kk3rzAL13N it might not take that long17:24
r0kk3rzbut also might take very long, its a little bit non-deterministic like that17:24
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svuorelaso. I_think I bricked my phone during update.17:50
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Stskeepssvuorela: in which way?17:51
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svuorelaStskeeps: I started the upgrade, and the screen turned black after the progressbar going to ... 2% or so. 5-10 min later I tried a single short press on the powerbutton, nothing happened. I let it rest on the table and at a later point it rebooted, and showed Jolla, and then nothnig happened.17:54
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svuorelaand that was ~3 hours ago.17:54
coderustry factory reset in recovery17:54
Stskeepssvuorela: was it on charger?17:54
svuorelaStskeeps: yes. on charger.17:54
svuorelaoh. it is active-ish and asks for pin right now.17:55
svuorela*entering*17:55
svuorelablack screen; led blinking red.17:55
Stskeepsgive it a bit..17:55
Stskeepsif it asks for pin, lipstick is up17:55
svuorelabut i took ... 3h to get to this.17:55
svuorelaled still blinking red.17:56
Stskeepssvuorela: it's one of our biggest updates due to the toolchain upgrade17:56
svuorelaI'll give it a while17:56
Stskeepssvuorela: do you by chance have a horde of notifications?17:56
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svuorelaI only get notifications from emails and the phone.17:56
Stskeepsis your email account set to grab everything?17:57
svuorelayep17:57
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Stskeepsok, that may contribute to a big notifications db17:57
svuorelaI only have 2-5000 emails in it at current time in the inbox.17:57
Stskeepscan you reboot into recovery mode in like 15 minutes and telnet in to the shell there and poke me?17:57
svuorelado you have a howto ? :)17:58
coderusor check if ssh to phone via wifi available :)17:58
Stskeepssvuorela: or that17:58
Stskeepser, coderus or that17:58
svuorelassh only enabled on demand I think, in my setup.17:58
Stskeepssvuorela: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/20470960717:58
Stskeepsdon't touch factory reset17:58
coderusif lipstick starting to load probably networking is fine and chancssh is on or off, is there on demand setup? :)17:59
coderusif developermode enabled and wifi autoconnects, you can ssh to device17:59
svuorelaoh.17:59
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coderusStskeeps: btw, maybe post your solution to public, in case it will happen to anyone else?18:01
* svuorela nmaps his network18:01
Stskeepscoderus: rm the notifications db18:01
Stskeeps:P18:01
coderusnotifications db? lipstick one? I thought it almost always empty.18:02
Stskeepsnah, it's not always empty18:02
Stskeepsi've seen it grow to 40mb18:02
Stskeeps:P18:02
coderuswow18:02
* coderus checking his db now18:02
Stskeepsin which case lipstick may go *** mad18:02
svuorela..led still flashing red. but still not 15-30 minutes - I'll do dinner and stuff and be back later.18:03
Stskeepssvuorela: nod, i'll be around (not past 21:30 danish time preferably)18:03
Stskeepsand help get this device resurrected18:03
svuorelaok.18:03
svuorelathx18:03
coderus[nemo@Jolla ~]$ ls -la .local/share/system/privileged/Notifications/notifications.db18:04
Stskeepsi am in the middle of having to rescue my own device from my kid slamming a toy car into it.. and moving to another jolla18:04
coderus-rw-r--r-- 1 nemo privileged 108544 2015-09-01 14:43 .local/share/system/privileged/Notifications/notifications.db18:04
Stskeeps:P18:04
coderushm18:04
coderusempty db and about 100kB, wtf?18:05
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Stskeepsschemas?18:05
Stskeepsalso may be sparse18:05
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coderusCREATE TABLE notifications (id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, app_name TEXT, app_icon TEXT, summary TEXT, body TEXT, expire_timeout INTEGER);18:07
coderusCREATE TABLE actions (id INTEGER, action TEXT, PRIMARY KEY(id, action));18:07
coderusCREATE TABLE hints (id INTEGER, hint TEXT, value TEXT, PRIMARY KEY(id, hint));18:07
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coderusCREATE TABLE expiration (id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, expire_at INTEGER);18:07
coderusand everything is empty18:07
Stskeepsnod18:08
coderussomething is really wrong here18:08
coderusvacuum didn't helped18:09
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svuorelaso. my phone isn't autoconnected. I guess I'll have to figure out how to rescue into it.18:36
Stskeepsyeah, [19:58] <Stskeeps> svuorela: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/20470960718:37
Stskeepsshould be easy18:37
svuorelaStskeeps: and I can turn it off while the led is blinking red ?18:38
Stskeepsyeah, just pull the battery18:38
svuorelaStskeeps: that was easy. I'm in.18:41
svuorelawhat to do here? :)18:41
Stskeepsmkdir -p /mnt18:41
Stskeepsin the shell18:41
svuorelaoh oh. might void my warrenty18:42
Stskeeps'might'18:42
Stskeepsmount -o subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt18:42
Stskeepsls -al /mnt/@home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Notifications/notifications.db18:42
Stskeeps@ is intentional18:42
kimmolisvuorela: this is warranty-repair ...18:42
svuorelaStskeeps: 82k18:43
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svuorela-rw-r--r--    1 100000   998          83968 Sep  1  2015 /mnt/@home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Notifications/notifications.db18:43
Stskeepsokay, so it's not that problem18:43
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Stskeepsyou have data you want to rescue from the device?18:43
YanielI know where this is going....18:44
svuorelaI'd love to have my phone book and messages, at least. and accounts settings would be nice, as well as installed apps.18:44
Stskeepsokay, let's as a start figure out why it died..18:45
svuorelayeah. finding a reason is likely a relevant point18:45
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svuorela(the backup I_did before the upgrade got written to my sd card, right? )18:46
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Stskeepsinternal or external?18:46
Stskeepssd18:46
svuorelaexternal18:47
TemeVsvuorela: only if you used the copy to sd card option18:47
svuorelahmm..18:47
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Stskeepssvuorela: well, check if it's on your sd card as a start18:47
Stskeepsit's in /mnt/@home/nemo/.vault otherwise afaik18:47
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svuorela.vault is dated today.18:48
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Stskeepsok, so it sounds like it's in there18:48
svuorelayeah18:48
Stskeepscheck your microsd anyhow18:48
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Stskeepsso we're sure where it's at18:49
svuorelanot on sd.18:49
Stskeepsok18:49
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svuorela(I guess I should be more careful in the future)18:49
Stskeepsdu -s -h /mnt/home/@nemo/.vault18:50
Stskeepser..18:50
Stskeepsdu -s -h /mnt/@home/nemo/.vault18:50
svuorela200mb18:51
Stskeepsok, so enough space on your microsd for that?18:51
svuorelaplenty18:51
Stskeepsok18:51
Stskeepsinsert it, mkdir /mnt2 , mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt218:51
Stskeepscp -ar /mnt/@home/nemo/.vault /mnt218:51
Stskeepscan copy whole @home/nemo if you want, too18:52
TemeVphotos are not in .vault iirc, so at least backup them18:52
TemeV(if there is anything to back up)18:52
* svuorela checks size of home/nemo18:53
* svuorela tar's up home/nemo18:53
Coolgeekdon't forget to 'sync' after18:53
Coolgeekto ensure your data are written to you sd18:54
Coolgeekyour*18:54
svuorelatar created, sync written a couple of times.18:55
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svuorelaunmounted. sd-card removed18:56
Stskeepsok, can you do journalctl -n 500000 > /mnt2/journal.txt  , sync,  umount the sd card and send me journal.txt on carsten.munk@jolla.com ?18:56
svuorelasure18:56
Stskeepsif we're unlucky there's nothing18:56
svuorelajournalctl not found18:57
Stskeepsugh, that's right..18:57
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Stskeepschroot /mnt/@ journalctl -n 50000 > /mnt2/journal.txt18:57
TemeVaren't journals lost in boot by default?18:57
Stskeepswe might be lucky18:58
Stskeeps:P18:58
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svuorelaNo journal files were found.18:58
Stskeepsok18:58
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svuorelaI can send you an empty file :P18:58
Stskeepsnaah, i have enough empty files.18:58
svuorelaor you can create them with touch.18:58
Stskeepsif you're really bored, do the following:18:58
svuorelaI'm not as such bored, but I do volunteer in helping a bit finding out why.18:59
Stskeepsvi /mnt/@/etc/systemd/journald.conf and change Storage=volatile to Storage=automatic    and mkdir -p /mnt/@/var/log/journal18:59
Stskeepssync, umount /mnt and /mnt2, sync a couple of more times and reboot -f18:59
Stskeepsthen try to boot it up19:00
Stskeepsand turn it off at some point19:00
Stskeepsand recovery mode, mount subvolid, etc, grab journal19:00
Stskeepsthat'll at least give a hint why it doesn't want to boot up19:00
Stskeepswe're rapidily heading towards a factory reset and restore from backup by copying .vault back into /home/nemo on a fresh device19:01
Stskeepswhich you can do in recovery mode19:01
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svuorelascreen is ... lit but black and has been like that for a minute.19:03
Stskeepsgive it 2 minutes and then turn it off19:03
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svuorelaok19:04
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svuorelaI guess that's around now.19:07
Stskeepsnod19:07
Stskeepshold down power button - it turns off eventually?19:07
svuoreladidn't. unplugged the battery.19:08
Stskeepsok19:08
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kimmolii had once the device stuck after update, it booted finally, but took like 10mins. it was issue with  eMMC iirc.19:08
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Stskeepsyeah, i would look at dmesg too..19:10
svuorelaAug 29 07:47:08 Jolla [1277]: [C] unknown:0 - Failed to create display (No such file or directory)19:11
Stskeepswell, that's usually not a good sign..19:11
Stskeepssend me journal?19:11
svuorelawill do.19:11
svuorelajust browsing thru it to ensure it doesn't has anything like 'read all sune's email with the following password:' and similar.19:12
Stskeepsnod19:12
svuorelaStskeeps: sent.19:14
Stskeepsyeah, that system looks totally foobar19:15
Stskeepscheck around if there's other stuff you'd want to back up and i guess we're at a factory reset after that :/19:15
svuorelawhere could stuff be hiding ?19:16
Stskeeps /data for android-y stuff , /var/lib/connman for wifi-y stuf..19:16
Stskeepsbut rest should really be in /home/nemo19:16
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kimmolitake ls of usr/share to get list of installed stuff?19:17
Stskeepsand that19:17
svuorelahmm... can't umount /mnt19:21
svuorelaumount: can't umount /mnt: Device or resource busy19:21
Stskeepsdunno, sync, reboot -f19:22
Stskeepsand then go back into recovery mode and factory reset19:22
svuorelaso. restore to factory, copy back .nemo and connman and then actually boot up ?19:23
Stskeepsi'd say restore to factory, upgrade to 1.1.7 all the way, copy back .vault to /home/nemo, restore backup, see how much it botches things up19:24
svuorelaok.19:24
Stskeepsit's not a pretty situation19:24
svuorelaok.19:25
svuorelaWilkommen an Bord19:25
Stskeepswell, that's a good sign19:25
Stskeepsnow for lots of upgrades19:26
Stskeeps:P19:26
svuorelaoh. system upgrade available19:29
svuorelawhattasurprise19:29
* Stskeeps flashes his backup jolla19:30
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svuorelaso. downloading Yliaavanlampi19:31
Coolgeekdoes those name have a meaning ?19:32
Yanielthey are names of finnish lakes19:32
Coolgeekoh, ok19:32
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svuorelaStskeeps: one thing that was a bit surprising earlier today was that I think it took less than 10 minutes to download the new version over my phone (not wireless) - normally it is quite a bit more.19:35
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Stskeepssvuorela: smells a bit like your repositories were messed up19:35
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Stskeepssvuorela: how exactly did you upgrade? please don't say version --dup19:35
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Tofeversion --dup --force --ignore-failures --yes-to-everything19:36
svuorelaStskeeps: through the gui thing.19:36
CoolgeekTofe: you forgot --yolo19:36
Stskeepssvuorela: good19:37
svuorelaStskeeps: and no fancy repositories or packages from fancy repositories (except fdroid) installed.19:37
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TemeVit seems wayland is really coming http://fedoramagazine.org/update-wayland-support-fedora-23/20:09
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Yanielabout time20:10
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Stskeepsyou have wayland on your phone20:11
Stskeeps:P20:11
TemeVStskeeps: I know :)20:11
TemeVAnd now on my desktop also20:11
TemeVI don't see much difference to x though20:12
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Coolgeekwill wait for wayland to become the main windowing system on my distro :p20:15
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dr_gogeta86TemeV, is still XX20:16
dr_gogeta86TemeV, is still X1120:16
TemeVIn Fedora 22 you can choose Wayland also20:17
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TemeVApps are mostly X11 of course20:17
dr_gogeta86i'm on wayland20:17
dr_gogeta86sucks like x1120:17
dr_gogeta86:-d20:17
dr_gogeta86Btw kudos to jolla20:19
dr_gogeta86i've asked for a dev device to a company20:19
dr_gogeta86i need to pay their phone + mediatek fee20:19
TominI tried Wayland on my laptop today (Arch Linux with GNOME). I still can't doubleclick on Nautilus (known bug in Mutter) and "multi finger clicking" (or whatever it is) didn't work but I guess that could be some configuration thing. Also scrolling felt somehow weird to me compared to X11, maybe it was too fast or something20:21
svuorelaso. should I go to recovery mode to put the .vault stuff and connman stuff back ?20:23
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* svuorela jumps up and down on Stskeeps and coderus :)20:25
tigelisvuorela: pics?20:26
Stskeepssvuorela: zzzzz20:26
svuorelaStskeeps: should I restore .vault from recovery mode ?20:27
Stskeepssvuorela: shouldn't make a difference20:27
Stskeepsimportant thing is to cp -ar it20:27
svuorelaoh. vault is a git repository ?20:28
Stskeepsyeah20:29
svuorelatha's smart20:29
Stskeepsyou'd think20:29
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tshtHello... I'm still fighting with a google account and a facebook account which are blocked in an account update needed loop... anyone knows how I can have some useful logs or repair this ? tried this but can't manage to lauch the two last commands :( (auth failed even if good pwd for devel-su) https://together.jolla.com/question/31761/cannot-sign-in-to-google-account/20:33
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kimmolidevel-su fails auth if already root (just saying)20:40
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svuorelaStskeeps: thanks for your help. I think I have the most important bits back20:42
Stskeepssvuorela: good20:42
Stskeepsupgrades sometimes break, it sucks20:42
svuorelaexcept all my toh-things with their special applications.20:42
* Tofe is glad to have a recent backup of his .vault on his computer20:42
svuorelaTofe: maybe I should do that a bit more often20:43
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TofeIt can really save the day20:43
tshtok thanks kimmoli must be that for this particular issue20:43
svuorelaTofe: is there an app for that? :)20:44
Tofesvuorela: nope, maybe that's an idea20:45
Tofethough it's supposed to be useless if backup to sdcard works well20:45
svuorelabackup to sd-card is just the latest thing tar'ed up I think20:45
Tofeyes it is20:46
Tofeyou'd want the whole history?20:46
svuorelayeah. if(networkname == "vuorela" ) git push --all homeserver   :)20:47
svuorelahmm... whenever I attach a other half, I get "communicatino problems with the store server".20:47
Tofeitalian crisis, maybe20:47
Stskeepssvuorela: probably need to re-login your jolla account20:48
svuorelaStskeeps: I can install thigns from store, though.20:48
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Stskeepsluck?20:48
Stskeeps:P20:48
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svuorelahow do I re-login ?20:49
svuorelareboot ?20:49
Stskeepsaccounts20:49
Stskeepstime for me to go to sleep though20:50
svuorelaI'll just go the windows route :)20:50
svuorelasleep well20:50
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baumjust wondering: why should i loginto my jolla account before updating?20:52
Yanielbecause the updates are hosted in jolla repos?20:56
baumwould be strange if they'd require an auth to acess the repos, wouldn't it?20:57
r0kk3rzbaum: i would be surprised if it would let you20:57
r0kk3rzand most likely say 'cannot contact the store' or something to that effect20:58
Stskeepsbaum: there's 3rd party bits such as hw adaptation from qcom that make this mandatory, sorry20:58
Stskeepsnothing malicious, just sad state of how the world of agreements work today20:59
Yanielhmm what about separate open and closed repos?20:59
Stskeepsthey're already seperate20:59
Stskeepssee ssu lr20:59
YanielI see20:59
baumthat's pretty sad....i don't know what to say21:00
baumi realy didn't expect that21:00
baumr0kk3rz: an implementation like you stated would go pretty much against the whole open source spirit21:00
Stskeepsin addition to that, having the jolla account system makes us able to easier make people able to have early access to updates, too21:00
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Stskeepsbaum: every consumer sold device today has 3rd party hw adaptation bits that are properitary21:01
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Stskeepsif you want working graphics, it's pretty much the only way (freedreno excepted, which isn't really production level)21:01
Stskeepsin addition to that, some 3rd party bits require a cost per device21:03
baumsince you are refering to freedreno means it's mainly about the graphic drivers?21:05
Stskeepsgraphics drivers, modem drivers, audio drivers..21:06
Stskeepsneedless to say, you can't do a production device without those :)21:06
baumnope but i'm pretty confident that there are open source drivers for the modem and audio out there :)21:07
Stskeepsyou'd think21:07
Stskeepson top of that there's gps (goes through modem), etc..21:07
Stskeepsanyway, hw adaptations are an unholy mess that everybody, ranging from tizen, firefox os, ubuntu has an issue with.21:08
Stskeepswe have to have some degree of access control and a jolla account is one way we do it21:08
Stskeepsbbl sleep21:08
baumhmmm alright thanks for the info21:08
baumgotta let that sink21:08
Stskeepsyou might argue if you can't trust us with a login for very specific technical purposes, you wouldn't want binaries made by us anyway :)21:09
baumspeaking of it, it bothers me quite a bit that i can't just easily compile the system on my own & flash the phone21:10
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r0kk3rzthe aforementioned qcom bsp has something to do with that also21:11
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baumkinda wondering, would a cooperation with the Neo900 be possible?21:15
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Blizzzsomeone plugging and unplugging store all the time? keep trying to update but at some point the download fails because "problem with store" and i could try from the start again. once i made it to 5021:26
Blizzz%21:26
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