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Nicd-baum: Neo900 is vaporware currently and they have a black box modem too04:05
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anYcand also say that you don't have a choice in that regard - at least if you want something more recent than GSM only (http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/)07:23
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coderusTor settings applet with Sailfish-browser proxy option: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/tor-settings-applet10:24
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AL13N_worktricky question... is there a browser with flash enabled on Jolla?12:35
Stskeepsno12:35
AL13N_worka browser in android?12:35
AL13N_workmy daughter has started in a new class and they are telling the kids to go to the site of the class and do some flash-based crap12:36
AL13N_workwe were planning on daughter using the jolla tablet...12:36
Stskeepsew12:36
Stskeeps:P12:36
AL13N_workmyeah12:36
AL13N_worki know12:36
Stskeepshttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appsverse.photon&hl=en .. maybe?12:37
Stskeepsor dolphin browser12:37
tbrchrome on android12:37
AL13N_workbut i guess since chrome has stopped flash12:37
AL13N_workit may possibly still work on android?12:37
AL13N_workanyone tried chrome browser yet?12:38
tbrthey haven't killed it yet, AFAIU12:38
AL13N_workk12:38
AL13N_workman, this flash business sucks ass12:38
tbrI sometimes used chrome on my android tv thing, because the native ustream app just sucked balls12:38
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AL13N_workat work, i need it for vmware and something else, i've forgotten12:39
tbrluckily nowadays NASA provides again a native stream that I can feed to VLC12:39
AL13N_worktbr: what about chrome on the jolla? does that wokr?12:39
AL13N_work*work?12:39
tbrnever tried, probably12:40
AL13N_workk thx12:40
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AL13N_workhey12:40
AL13N_workwho's taking my name12:40
lainwir3d lol12:40
AL13N_workwell, if it don't work, i'll have to bite the bullet and install flash on the desktop :-(12:41
AL13N_worki wonder if i could contain it somehow, maybe start a chrooted browser or something12:41
AL13N_workoh wait... that won't work either12:41
AL13N_workno flash for linux anymore12:41
AL13N_worki'll have to install a windows vm on my desktop12:41
* AL13N_work sighs12:42
Tominpipelight?12:42
Tomin(on desktop ofc)12:43
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AL13N_workwhat is pipelight12:44
Tominhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipelight12:46
tbrthe linux flash still works, unless the swf uses some newfangled functionality12:46
AL13N_workthat one version from several years ago with the thousands of security flaws?12:47
tbrthey actually still patch it12:47
AL13N_workok, fine12:47
AL13N_workbut it still has security flaws12:47
AL13N_workbut, ok, i'll have to go that route, i guess12:47
tbrflash is a security flaw.12:47
TominChrome has a recent version of flash but it can't be used with other browsers and it is available only with Google Chrome12:47
Tominbundled with, I mean12:47
ggabrieleverything has some sort of security flaw12:48
AL13N_worksure12:48
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Tominyeah, I don't install flash to Firefox anymore. If I need it I install Chromium and rip the bundled Flash Plugin from Chrome (which is easy on Arch Linux)12:49
rigoAL13N_work: I use firefox with the available flash on linux. I would not do that on a jolla phone12:50
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ggabrieli wouldn't say that anything that google makes is secure either :P12:50
* rigo uses vivaldi.com12:50
AL13N_workwell, datamining can still be done securely12:50
AL13N_work:-)12:50
ggabrielwait, do you want to play flash on sfos?12:50
rigoAL13N_work: and water definitely runs uphill12:50
AL13N_worksfos?12:51
Tominwell, I use Chromium only when I need to use Flash content. Firefox is my main browser.12:51
ggabrielsailfish os12:51
AL13N_workno12:51
AL13N_worki figured maybe something android12:51
AL13N_workat least it's sort of encapsulated12:51
AL13N_workaliendalvik i mean12:51
AL13N_worki donno, i have no android on my jolla phone12:52
AL13N_workbut i figured i was gonna enable that on the tablet12:52
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silver_hookilpianista: Got a reply from Jolla Care ā€¦the official solution is recovery mode :P13:04
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aupocoderus: I just gave up with the Win1013:17
aupoNow I finally got myself a good and proper linux computer and have connected to recovery mode13:17
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coderusaupo: works for me :)13:17
coderuswith driver i uploaded13:18
aupoCurrently trying btrfs-recovery, last notice from my phone is "Root mounted with recovery options", hoping to see something more :)13:18
aupoYeah, if I cannot finish this with this computer, I'll install the driver on my laptop later :) Thanks13:18
coderusthe only hard thing is manually select driver from installed list of drivers13:19
aupoyeah13:19
aupoWhat's the manufacturer listed?13:19
aupo(For future reference)13:19
coderusAcer something13:19
coderuscheck i have readme in that folder13:19
aupoAight, thanks13:19
coderusacer incorporated afaik13:19
coderusrndis gadget device13:19
aupoI wonder though, what should btrfs-recovery say if it's working normally....13:23
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aupoDamn, trying to mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 freezes the shell.13:30
aupoSeems like my volumes are pretty much done for :/13:31
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merlin1991win even has an rndis something driver by default that works for all of those *droid* devices13:35
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aupomerlin1991: Yeah, that's what I tried originally but it didn't seem to function with Jolla.13:37
merlin1991hm iirc it worked for me13:37
aupoMight've just been a bad cable though, as it really IS a bad cable.13:37
aupoWin10?13:37
merlin19917 :/13:37
aupoYeah13:37
aupoWin10 seemed to have some trouble.13:38
merlin1991ah true the driver model changed again with 10 ...13:38
merlin1991so probably different driver altogether13:38
Liekehttps://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-differences-old-new-hardware/13:41
Liekethey just have no luck with the displays..13:43
merlin1991yep13:44
StskeepsLieke: or shipments13:44
silver_hookEm, the backups that I copied to the SD card during previous updates ā€¦where should they be?13:44
silver_hookBecause my SD card is *empty*.13:44
Stskeepsyou factory reset already?13:45
* merlin1991 just read about carddav improvements13:45
merlin1991gotta give that another go13:46
Stskeepsif you didn't factory reset, don't factory reset13:46
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silver_hookStskeeps: Weeeell, I booted into the appropriate mode and optimistically tried to open up the shell if I can save some more data. It didnā€™t work (shell didnā€™t show up at all), so I restarted turned it off again and now tried to first copy the recovery menu to the SD and notice itā€™s empty..13:47
Stskeepssilver_hook: okay, so, shell didn't show up on the telnet ?13:48
Stskeepsthat sounds massively weird13:48
Stskeepsit's literally a check lock code and /bin/sh13:48
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silver_hookStskeeps: No, telnet worked, but then *in* the Recovery Mode, if I selected ā€œ4) Shellā€ it didnā€™t show any prompt and `ls` didnā€™t produce anything either.13:49
Stskeepssilver_hook: O_o13:49
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Stskeepslemme just check something13:49
silver_hook\me ā€“ the guy who has the knack to discover seriously messed up bugs.13:50
* silver_hook ā€“ the guy who has the knack to discover seriously messed up bugs.13:50
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Stskeepssilver_hook: that really makes no sense in my book :)13:52
silver_hookI get that a lot :D13:52
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Stskeepssilver_hook: 4 doesn't respond anything at all? screenshot?13:54
silver_hookStskeeps: I closed that terminal already, but it did say that something in the lines of mounting root in recovery mode and that was the last line I got.13:55
Stskeepssilver_hook: that wasn't shell you selected then13:56
Stskeepsthat was 5)13:56
silver_hookOK, letā€™s try shell again.13:56
silver_hookcould be. I wanted to try that next.13:56
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silver_hookStskeeps: Could 5) have messed up something?14:02
Stskeepswell, only if you're really unlucky14:06
Stskeepsit may be your btrfs is messed up in general14:06
Stskeeps4) works?14:06
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silver_hookStskeeps: Managed to log into 4) and copy the data to SD. But for some reason umounting the home dir seems to take forever.14:54
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silver_hookIf I reboot my Jolla without unmounting home and SD (but after `sync`) and wtihout exiting the recovery mode, what will happen?15:05
Stskeepssilver_hook: mount -o ro,subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt ?15:08
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silver_hookStskeeps: umount /myhome just doesnā€™t finish and Ctrl+C doesnā€™t kill it.15:19
Stskeepssilver_hook: dmesg15:19
silver_hookStskeeps: On Jolla?15:20
Stskeepsyes15:20
silver_hook[ 2913.274621] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4329(4337),A=-001,T=343,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,1,F01,R08,W0115:21
silver_hook[ 3216.474621] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4328(4337),A=-001,T=345,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,1,F01,R08,W0115:21
silver_hook[ 3446.656859] killall(451) send signal 9 to powerkey-handle(449)15:21
Stskeepsnothing about btrfs issues or i/o?15:21
Stskeepsdid you manage to copy /home/nemo/.vault ?15:22
pp_also could dump raw filesystem image over network and mount on modern kernel?15:22
silver_hookStskeeps: I managed to copy it as much as it let me, yes.15:22
Stskeepsok15:22
Stskeepsi'd say that back to care then15:22
Stskeeps:P15:22
Stskeepsbad btrfs state15:23
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silver_hookStskeeps: https://dpaste.de/uR5n15:24
silver_hookStskeeps: Hmmm, opening a new terminal, telnetting and unmounting from there seems to have worked.15:25
Stskeepsit looks unhappy15:26
silver_hookStskeeps: Oddly enough, it wonā€™t `exit` from the shell.15:26
silver_hookStskeeps: Does anything speak against me hard-resetting it and doing a factory reset?15:27
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pp_fs image could be useful for at least making kernel handle it more gracefully15:28
pp_assuming anyone has time to look at it, and it's something that may be fixed in kernel 4.2 :P15:29
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aupoHmm, seems like I've managed to REALLY mangle my btrfs, maybe as well as silver_hook :)16:02
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aupoCannot mount 0p28, cannot btrfs restore either (just hangs)16:02
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aupoCurrently dd'ing 0p28 to a restorefile so I can play with it later if need be16:04
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aupoActually no, no, doesn't just hang, just skips snapshots of factory-@, factory-@home, @ and @home16:13
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* Stskeeps|laptop curses faulty disks16:15
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silver_hookStskeeps|laptop: Soooo, hard reset and factory reset OK?16:19
silver_hookI *really* hope itā€™s not faulty HW.16:20
Stskeeps|laptopsilver_hook: try if factory reset work, i have doubts it will, it sounds like corrupted btrfs16:20
Stskeeps|laptopneeds a reflash at care or the mmcblk0p28 overwrite trick some people use (first one is care warranty, other one is a hack)16:20
Stskeeps|laptopbit handicapped atm since my irssi server went down :)16:20
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silver_hookStskeeps|laptop: Itā€™s one of those days, innit? :P16:22
aupo:)16:22
Stskeeps|laptopsilver_hook: yesterday a jolla1 display and nexus 5 display cracked at same day.16:24
Stskeeps|laptopthis week isn't good sof ar.16:24
silver_hookOuch, I feel your pain :/16:24
aupoThat's a pretty good start.16:26
Stskeeps|laptopand now the usb boot drive of my remote server went up in flames.16:26
Stskeeps|laptop:P16:26
r0kk3rzStskeeps|laptop: obviously the universe is telling you to stop working and do nothing16:27
Stskeeps|laptopr0kk3rz: i've considered that16:27
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silver_hookNo idea why, but losing connection with the Jolla recovery mode, turns one of the two(?!) dhclients of my laptopā€™s NetworManagement into a zombie.16:46
silver_hookIf anyone else experiences that: a workaround that works for me is to `systemctl restart NetworkManager` as root16:47
silver_hook(if you havenā€™t received the previous message) No idea why, but losing connection with the Jolla recovery mode, turns one of the two(?!) dhclients of my laptopā€™s NetworManagement into a zombie.16:47
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silver_hookIs it normal that `date` in Recovery modeā€™s shell says itā€™s 1.1.1970 ?16:51
Stskeeps|laptopprobably16:51
aupoOooooh, I wanna try that!16:54
aupoStill restoring .cache, that's probably useful...16:54
silver_hookInteresting ā€¦I get a few warnings and errors and itā€™s stuck at unmounting /mnt: https://dpaste.de/uMBg16:57
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aupoUgh, @home/nemo/.thumbnails/ has a lot of small files :/17:00
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silver_hookStskeeps|laptop: hard-reset it at this stage and just ignore that it didnā€™t unmount and delete /mnt ?17:05
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Stskeeps|laptopsilver_hook: yes17:06
Stskeeps|laptopsilver_hook: i have doubts of success, if it fails, message me17:07
aupoHere we gooo! restored everything restorable from 0p28, now time to go on the offensive and factory reset the phone17:07
silver_hookStskeeps|laptop: Well, Jolla logo, then black screen and white LED.17:10
silver_hookThatā€™s it.17:10
Stskeeps|laptopsilver_hook: give it 3-4 mins, if it's still dead, then we take other means..17:11
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silver_hookYay! Other means imminent! :D17:11
aupo:D17:19
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aupowoop woop, I was SURE I destroyed the remnants of my Jolla by forgetting to ACTUALLY copy the new recovery-menu to the fs, opting to leave it on the sd card, but even with that I did get a working new Sailfish17:30
Nicd-hmmm17:31
Nicd-the jolla blog states that they changed the USB port for the tablet from micro-A to micro-B17:32
Nicd-what happened to C?17:32
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r0kk3rzmost likely not possible17:33
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Nicd-funny they did not mention it at all there17:34
Nicd-and whoever though that micro-A was a good idea?! :P17:34
r0kk3rzisnt A the usual standard usbotg type connector17:35
r0kk3rzbut it is a retarded design, worse than B17:35
r0kk3rzand B isnt great either17:35
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Nicd-I dunno about OTG17:38
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coderusaupo: recovery menu is not a recovery images17:58
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coderusNicd-: OTG afaik is A+B, means one side is rectangle and other is triangle17:59
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BirdZhang1.1.93 released18:29
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Nicd-?18:33
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ender|fun: before upgrading, my battery was showing 89%, after upgrade it's now showing 90% (it's not plugged in)19:15
sakustarits the future19:16
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r0kk3rzamazing19:18
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ender|charging over WiFi!19:19
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coderusnoo19:19
coderusdevice being excited of new update, battery getting warmer, and charge value increasing.19:19
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pdanekwhen do we finally get shark-half19:20
pdanekbody-heat of shark will charge battery19:20
pdanekjust buy fish to feed him19:21
pdanekand lasers...19:21
pdanekI'd say iPhone 8 will have that19:21
ender|hamster-otherhalf?19:21
pdanekunless we're first!19:21
r0kk3rzwouldnt that be slightly impractical19:21
sakustarwhat19:23
sakustarhow so19:23
sakustarid buy 2 if they shipped with a shark!19:23
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pdanekif the shark has laser attached to his head, I'd buy 319:23
r0kk3rzwouldnt it try and swim away?19:24
r0kk3rzsomewhat awkward to make calls on19:24
r0kk3rzid have a shark, but maybe not attached to my phone19:24
pdanekit's shark half, you can always detach it of course19:25
pdanekfor smaller shark-half19:25
r0kk3rzwheres the other half of the shark?19:25
pdanekwell19:25
pdanekI'm not a phone designer19:25
r0kk3rzclearly19:26
pdanek:D19:26
pdanekI came up with idea19:26
pdanekfor free!19:26
pdaneknow it's up to the team to make money of it19:26
sakustarso its decided?! spam twitter19:26
sakustar#so unlike19:27
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TemeVshark-half... I'd buy that if it comes with a chainsaw20:34
TemeVjust in case the sbark goes rogue20:35
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Blizzzafter updating to 1.1.7.28 Android Support is borked. "aliendalvik.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start." says systemd. Known? How to fix?22:17
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coderussystemctl status aliendalvik says that?22:24
coderuscheck journalctl22:25
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Blizzzcoderus: yes, exactly. in journalctl was not much more either. did balance, now restart.22:50
Blizzzcoderus: that's the journalctl output when attempting to start telegram: https://paste.kde.org/pqswkas1622:53
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coderusHm, i can't help with details. Probably someone from Jolla can help if you post it in TJC22:56
coderusor you can try reinstall dalvik22:57
coderusdelete, reboot22:57
coderusdelete /data22:57
coderuscheck if /opt/alien have no active mounts22:57
coderusdelete /opt/alien22:58
coderusand reinstall dalvik22:58
Blizzzok, thank you coderus. i go first with tjc before deleting around23:02
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