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iluminator105can you install sailfish os on nexus 601:50
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iluminator105also sailfish port on moto g 2nd gen has anyone tried it01:54
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Nicd-iluminator105: #sailfishos-porters04:46
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ksjis what's up still working for anyone? mine's refused to connect over the last few days. I can't find any news about it, and I'm not entirely sure what the relationship is between what's up and mitakuuluu.09:29
Nicd-it's called whatsapp09:29
Nicd-mitäkuuluu is an unofficial client. only the android client is official09:29
ksjthe new, updated version of mitakuuluu was called what's up09:30
ksjalthough I'm not entierely sure if it's developed by the same guy09:30
Nicd-no, it was called whatsup and had nothing to do with mitäkuuluu09:30
Nicd-it has been discontinued after legal threats from whatsapp09:30
Shinryuu^09:30
ksjok, so what's up was discontinued? as of when? I didn't see any news09:31
ksjthat's really sad if true. it was an excellent, excellent client09:31
ksjway better than the official android rubbish09:31
ShinryuuI opened it and noticed that it wasn't working anymore09:31
ShinryuuI haven't read anything about it yet because I switched to Mitakuuluu3 for the time being09:31
ksjI didn't know there was a Mitakuuluu3. is that working?09:32
Shinryuuwell, yeah but it's not a finished product yet09:32
kimmolii heard rumors that coderus starts to make mitäkuuluu4 after he finishes current project ...09:33
ksjwhat's up was really polished. felt finished. never crashed09:33
Shinryuukimmoli: oh boy09:33
kimmolibut rumors like jolla-mobile making watch for sailfish09:34
Shinryuuoh no09:34
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flux:-)09:36
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zett_zelettWithout enabling Developer Mode, sshing onto my Jolla is impossible, right?09:37
Stskeepszett_zelett: no harm in enabling developer mode09:38
Stskeepspracticall everybody does it09:38
Shinryuuyes, you need developer mode for ssh stuff09:38
zett_zelettBut I do need a Jolla account for that?09:38
Yanielbut would it be theorethically possible?09:38
Yanielie. could you install fingerterm and set up sshd in recovery mode09:38
zett_zelett(I’m trying to find what freedoms I have with the device without registering somewhere.)09:39
Stskeepszett_zelett: to grab the packages from the repository09:39
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ksjjust tried mitakuuluu3. I hate being negative about OSS, but it feels like a huge step back. what'sup worked flawlessly. This has crashed twice and still won't connect to what'sapp network.09:39
Shinryuuksj: it's not a finished product and it's missing a lot of stuff09:39
Shinryuuso that's more than expected to see09:40
ksjbut what's the point in developing it if as soon as it's working the what'sapp people will kill it from their end?09:40
Shinryuuwho knows09:40
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zett_zelettI get “Developer Mode requires a Jolla Account” when trying to enable it in Settings → System → Developer Mode. So I definitely need it to ssh onto my device, right?09:40
Shinryuuzett_zelett: try that Yaniel said09:41
Shinryuuwhat*09:41
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minimecksj: Hi. There is still a working version of the inofficial native whatsapp client that is working. See here https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1480773&postcount=55009:41
tbrzett_zelett: you can probably get around that by activating 3rd party packages and installing things that way. quite cumbersome and not documented at all.09:42
Stskeepszett_zelett: the technical reason for it is that it needs to access the repositories, including the 3rd party hw adaptation bits, without the full view of repositories, things will not install correctly and may in fact brick the device09:42
Stskeepsand as you know, we have to auth the 3rd party hw adaptation bits09:42
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Stskeepsyou can indeed get around it by sideloading and enabling installation from third party sources09:43
Stskeepsbut nothing i'd recommend09:43
* tbr concurs09:43
zett_zelettOkay, I see the reasons for it, now. Thanks!09:44
kimmolitbr: o/09:44
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zett_zelettTrying to establish a internet connection on my Jolla via USB. Did this following these instructions https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking.10:37
zett_zelettDidn’t work so far. (On pain of being a pain in the ass again:) Do I need to enable developer mode for this? Can I do it without? So far, I see no way to tell my Jolla to use USB to connect to the internet.10:38
Stskeepsifconfig -a ?10:38
Stskeepsand developer mode enabled?10:38
Stskeepser.. it should be in the popup10:38
zett_zelettYeah, ifconfig -a doesn’t show the usb interface, for some reason.10:39
zett_zelettWhat should be in the popup?10:39
Stskeepsdeveloper mode10:39
zett_zelettStskeeps: Sorry – I don’t get what you mean. What popup do you mean?10:42
tbrthe phone shows a notification when you connect it to a USB port10:43
zett_zelettAh, yeah. And the developer mode should show there? Or a notification about magical internet connectivity?10:44
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Yanieldeveloper mode should be an option in the popup10:45
Yanielif you have developer mode enabled10:45
tbrwhat are you trying connect to the internet? the phone via the pc and its connection or the pc via the mobile network of the phone?10:46
zett_zelettMy phone via laptop.10:46
tbrthat will require you to mess with the routing.10:47
zett_zelettAh, ok.10:47
tbrand your laptop needs to have NAT/MASQUERADE enabled on the usb-network towards the jolla10:48
zett_zelettAs described here https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking?10:48
Stskeepszett_zelett: i'm presuming you're still on an ancient version due to not having jolla account?10:48
tbryes, that wiki page describes it in general10:49
zett_zelettYes, but actually I just created a Jolla account.10:49
zett_zelettAnd am updating to upgrade 1.1.2 now (because that’s the version suggested to me.)10:50
Stskeepsnod10:50
Stskeepsget all the way to 1.1.710:50
zett_zelettOk.10:51
tbrit might take multiple rounds of upgrades10:52
zett_zelettSo be it. By the way: Thanks for helping so much!10:52
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ksjminimec: thanks, I'll give it a try. I'll also have a read through that thread to find out a bit more about what's up vs mitakuuluu11:06
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ksjanyone know where the what's up project page is? I can't find it anywhere. an rpm in a dropbox account seems somewhat fishy11:17
tbrI thought the latest client got killed again?11:17
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ksjtbr: mine died, but minimec sent a link to the latest version, which apparently works again11:19
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zett_zelettBy the way, is it normal that the connecting USB to the Jolla is a bit jiggly at the beginning? I mean, I can wiggle the cable a bit at the end where my Jolla is connected and doing so may break the USB connection. Will this get better?12:16
zett_zelettI haven’t had that with any other device as far as I can remember.12:17
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TMavicaNice update of dolphin keyboard in openrepos12:22
Yanielzett_zelett: mine does that to this day12:25
Stskeepszett_zelett: usually a matter of bad cable12:26
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tbrif the little retention teeth are bent in, then it won't hold well. but that's a cable issue12:32
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* tbr hasn't had any problems with the port, despite the device falling down with the cable attached repeatedly12:33
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StskeepsTMavica: you win for the weirdest theory so far15:03
TMavicaLOL15:04
Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/107394/why-did-marc-dillon-leave/?answer=107440#post-id-10744015:05
TMavicaI only think that answer15:05
Stskeepsi think it's first time anybody has compared marc to ronaldo15:06
TMavicabecause they are both star15:06
ggabrielat least he isn't being compared to steve jobs...15:06
TMavicaRonaldo is a super star and future in Manchester United, no one believe he will leave MU, but Real Madrid pay a super high transfer money for him, no one can reject15:08
Stskeepsggabriel: no turtleneck, that's the problem15:08
TMavicaStskeeps: just a simple question, not offense, if someone hire you with triple or higher salary, will you leave?15:11
StskeepsTMavica: i'm not at jolla for the money15:12
TMavicaThat the answer I like15:12
Stskeepsi'm at jolla because 1) i feel respected  2) i like what i do 3) we still have a mission 4) i earn enough to be financially safe and pay off my mortgage and have a good life despite that15:13
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Stskeepsand of course, 5) the fantastic people i work with, many whom i've helped interview15:13
TMavicaso you are Steven Gerrard in Liverpool15:14
anYc^^15:14
ggabrielso you like english football TMavica ? :)15:14
TMavicasure15:14
ggabrielyou don't follow other EU countries?15:15
TMavicaSteven Gerrard never leave Liverpool, high salary still cant let him leave15:15
TMavicafollow15:15
TMavicalike Pirlo in Juventus15:15
StskeepsTMavica: not to mention a scandinavian pay living in poland is really nice15:15
Stskeeps:P15:15
TMavicanever leave too15:16
TMavicaMany football club give them a high salary, they still not leaving.15:16
ggabrielStskeeps: for now ;)15:16
Yanielsooo how's 1.1.9? still to be expected today?15:16
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StskeepsYaniel: now, we'd be accused of publishing that in order to quell the rumours about marc15:21
Stskeeps:P15:21
TMavicaStskeeps: when come dinner with me15:21
StskeepsTMavica: i don't know where i am two weeks from now :)15:21
Stskeepsbut next time i'm in HK, probably15:21
Stskeepsprovided it's not super busy15:21
TMavicawhen u arrived, tell me. I missed you. LOL15:22
Stskeepssure, would be good to meet you and amanda again15:22
Yanielhaha15:23
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dr_gogeta86TMavica, Pirlo leaved15:27
TMavicai know, but he feel old himself, so he choose to leave15:29
TMavicalike Steven Gerrard15:29
dr_gogeta86Juventus sucks thats all15:29
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* Stskeeps doesn't know anything about soccer.15:30
Stskeeps:P15:30
dr_gogeta86http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/124650273863/when-your-sunday-oncall-outage-turns-into-their15:30
Siddeare you people talking about sports?15:30
ggabrielStskeeps: lol15:30
dr_gogeta86me in 30 minutes15:30
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Siddesports are as relevant to the real world as the cheese i have in my fridge ;)15:31
Yanielbut having cheese in your fridge is pretty relevant15:31
Siddeto me yes, but probably not to anyone else15:32
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TMavicaJust use soccer player as a example15:32
Siddeand it's called footboll...15:32
Sidde;)15:32
TMavicaafraid Stskeeps ban me, so no more soccer off topic. LOL15:32
Stskeepsi'm way too tired for banning15:32
Stskeeps:P15:32
TMavicathis topic is over15:33
Siddebut socker is very important when brewing moonshine15:33
Yanielhaha15:34
Siddeand here in norrland moonshine is very important ;)15:35
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wysiwtfmoonshine15:36
wysiwtfwasnt that the stuff that makes you go "aaargh my eyes!!!"?15:36
Siddeonly if it's made like shit15:37
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Siddewysiwtf: normally you don't make methanol and drink it15:37
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ggabrieltechnically you don't make methanol, dinosaours did that :P15:38
Sidde:P15:38
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Siddeggabriel: you get methanol from trees, or pulp15:39
Siddeor you can get it from there15:39
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Siddeyou can get it from elsewhere too15:40
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ggabrielSidde: interesting15:41
Siddenow time to get somehting to eat, bye15:41
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ggabrielsooo, the jolla is out of stock16:40
r0kk3rzwooo16:40
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grzywaczDoes it mean my phone is now getting more expensive with age? ;-)16:43
ggabrielthe phone is quite unique16:44
ggabrielso probably16:44
r0kk3rzwell, we dont really want another repeat of the n9 situation16:44
ggabrielmine def needs a new screen16:44
ggabrielor i'll need a new phone eventually16:44
ggabrielthe jolla has a keybaord16:44
ggabrielno other has that16:44
ggabrielso there you go, it's unique16:45
r0kk3rzwell the keyboards are unique anyway16:45
r0kk3rzthat much is certain16:45
ggabrielwhich only works with a jolla16:45
ggabrielmakes the jolla unique16:45
r0kk3rzfor now16:46
ggabrielhopefully there'll be an alternative to that combination16:46
r0kk3rzwhich was my point16:46
r0kk3rzdont really want to have to choose between getting a new phone, and the operating system i like16:47
r0kk3rzwhich ended up being the situation with the n916:47
ggabrielwell, you always want a combination of things16:47
ggabrielwhen you know what you want16:47
ggabrielas opposed to wanting a blue phone :P16:48
r0kk3rzsure, but it also helps if someone is manufacturing and selling the combination you want16:48
ggabrielyup16:48
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zebbiz_piHi17:30
zebbiz_piI'm considering buying the Jolla phone17:30
fennekkioh17:30
SfietKonstantinWhi :)17:30
zebbiz_piBut what's keeping me back (besides the hardware) is the community17:30
SfietKonstantinWah ?17:31
zebbiz_piIs it active?17:31
SfietKonstantinWwhat's wrong with the community ?17:31
zebbiz_piAre there apps being made for sailfish?17:31
zebbiz_piSfietKonstantinW: I don't know17:31
zebbiz_pithat's what I'm asking17:31
fennekkiWell- depends on what you mean by "active" I guess17:31
SfietKonstantinWzebbiz_pi: there are some, not killer apps for sure17:31
SfietKonstantinWlike whatsapp facebook don't have interest on this platform yet17:31
SfietKonstantinWbut you have quite nice apps being made17:31
SfietKonstantinW+ some hacks etc17:31
Yanielzebbiz_pi: it's one of the better communities I have encountered17:31
SfietKonstantinWzebbiz_pi: if you want to see what the community has already made, check TOHKBD17:32
SfietKonstantinWIt is a pretty good example17:32
zebbiz_piTOHKBD?17:32
Yanielkeyboard other half17:33
SfietKonstantinWzebbiz_pi: it is a hardware keyboard for the Jolla that was kickstarted17:33
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SfietKonstantinWyou can also check what there is on openrepos17:33
zebbiz_piCool17:33
zebbiz_piNot something that I'd buy, but cool!17:33
SfietKonstantinWthere is like a Tor browser like17:33
SfietKonstantinWsome experiments based on webservers17:33
zebbiz_piSome important apps (for me) that I really want: IRC client, file explorer, ssh client, something to connect to mega/dropbox/other with and some other stuff that I can't think of atm17:36
zebbiz_piHow is the browser, btw?17:36
zebbiz_piThat's something I use a lot17:37
Yanielall of those exist17:37
zebbiz_piYaniel: sweet17:37
Yanielbrowser... well, it has been fine for my use17:37
Yanieland there is are at least two native alternatives17:37
Nicd-the browser is an awful memory hog though17:40
zebbiz_piIs it smooth otherwise?17:40
Nicd-the browser? no17:40
zebbiz_piCan it handle a few apps active at the same time?17:40
Nicd-depends on the apps but usually yes17:41
Yanieldepends on the apps17:41
SfietKonstantinWzebbiz_pi: note: I run min 6 apps at the same time17:41
SfietKonstantinWcan get up to 1217:41
coderuszebbiz_pi: irssi, mc, ssh, megatools/davfs/dropbox pc daemon should work also imho17:42
kjetilhozebbiz_pi: are you buying a used Jolla?17:43
zebbiz_pikjetilho: No, I was planning on buying new17:44
zebbiz_piIt's a good enough price to buy new17:44
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kjetilhoit's out of stock, I'm afraid17:44
zebbiz_pi:(17:45
kjetilhoand my guess is that Jolla won't be making more, they are making the Tablet and then it's the end of doing the hardware themselves17:45
zebbiz_piOh, fuck17:46
zebbiz_piI didn't see the "out of stock" when I look a few days ago17:47
Stskeepskjetilho: well, nobody does hw on their own anymore17:47
Stskeepsit's always done through ODMs17:47
kjetilhoobviously.  but Jolla won't even be doing that17:47
kjetilhoif I understand correctly17:47
Stskeepsthe sailfish developing company won't, no17:47
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tigeliStskeeps: never say never ;)17:48
Stskeepstigeli: didn't symbian foundation try their hand at hw too at some point?17:48
Stskeepsif i recall correctly17:48
tigelicould be.. can't remember or is it that I don't want to remember :D17:49
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r0kk3rzi hope the devices company picks up the tablet and sells it on-going18:06
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jarkkoany ideas why my Jolla occasionally loses all connections (cellular & wlan), and Settings -> System -> Utilities -> Restart network connections does not help? Booting the phone does.19:01
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coderustired to work19:09
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kimmolicoderus: then play19:13
coderustired to play :D19:14
coderuswill go watch series19:14
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r0kk3rzteeeeveeeee19:19
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baumuhm, i'm trying to reset the phone via the gui settings, the phone restarts, but the reset didn't happen?23:46
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