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Miskiijarkko: Mine did that once or twice as well, enabling flight mode for a minute or two helped (while restarting network connections didn't)05:04
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jarkkoMiskii: thanks. It's super annoying to find out later that people have tried to call me several times but never got through, while I've had my phone turned on all the time...05:27
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Stskeepsjarkko: logcat -b radio would probably be useful in those circumstances05:31
pp_heh, interesting failure mode today, called someone, got busy signal, they called back, and I think I got calls in both directions (one on hold) as a result05:38
Stskeepspp_: should be able to manage those from ui05:38
pp_wasn't really responsive (and after all that put phone in pocket and got pocket call to another person :P )05:39
jarkkoStskeeps: thanks, I'll give that a try also next time.05:40
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Stskeepsjarkko: /system/bin/logcat -b radio to be specific, should give it away05:46
Stskeepsjarkko: 4G and csfb is a common buggy thing in networks too though05:47
Stskeepsas they fallback to 2g/3g to receive phonecalls05:47
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pdanekhttp://www.gsmdome.com/nokia-c1-android-phone-gets-photographed-in-china-intel-atom-cpu-and-5-inch-fhd-display-are-part-of-the-specs05:50
Stskeepslooks like any other android phone, with a nokia logo?05:50
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Stskeepsboring05:50
Nicd-Stskeeps: so does every android phone ever?05:51
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kimmoliblack eh grey slab with android05:55
pdanekclean design, I have nothing against05:55
pdanekif it ships with Sailfish, I would jump for it05:55
pdaneklooks nicer than Jolla05:56
Tegutoo large for me05:56
Teguprobably05:56
pp_Atom \:D/ (maybe they're finally ok)05:59
pp_things may have went quite differently had intel delivered chips for meego phones :P (or nokia sticking with arm and maemo :-) )05:59
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kimmoliIntel should rebrand atom if /when they get it working06:04
tadzik. o O ( Neutron )06:05
kimmoliatom synonym is crap06:06
Nicd-reminds me if Jimmy Neutron Happy Family Happy Hour06:07
tadzikFAT-fs (mmcblk1p1): error, invalid access to FAT (entry 0x080e2013)06:10
tadzikthis has been happening to my SD every now and then. Should I start looking for a new one already?06:10
tadzik(it then gets remounted as ro)06:10
kidNeutron makes me think of OpenStack06:11
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intedid anybody receive a notification for confirmation of the tablet order already?07:33
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kimmoliännu inte07:44
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kidnei, ikke ennå (no, not yet)07:48
* kid inspired by kimmoli :)07:48
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Tofekid: suomska?07:51
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Ezko_nordish?07:54
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Ezko_do norwegians have å?07:55
Nicd-what languages are suomska and nordish? :P07:55
kimmolijätte kiva de07:55
kimmoliFinn'ish07:55
SfietKonstantinWFinnish him !07:55
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kidTofe: Norwegian07:57
kidEzko_: yes, we have æÆ, øØ and åÅ07:57
Nicd-We've got the ÆØÅ, you ain't got the ÆØÅ~07:58
Ezko_kid: ok07:59
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ggabrielmaybe I should adjust my tablet countdown towards end of september11:34
Sail0rnext year :D11:38
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ggabrieloff topic but fun to read: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=11931890901658211:39
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locusf:D11:40
ggabrieli wish i could react like that sometimes11:41
locusfwoow 200711:43
anYchave theo and linus ever meet each other? ^^11:43
anYcmet11:43
ggabrielin person?11:43
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anYcfor example, I think it would be interesting11:45
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ggabrieli'm sure they're both nice guys but they outstand due to their eccentric comebacks11:46
ggabrielor rather, their eccentric comebacks stand out more than what is the norm11:46
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ggabrielhttps://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=11931890901658211:58
ggabrieloops sorry11:58
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lainwir3do/12:02
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intewhy are some people already on 1.1.9.28 and i am not?12:44
Stskeepsinte: people are manually upgrading to unreleased releases12:44
Stskeepstheir choice12:44
Stskeepsnot always a good idea12:44
Accebecause you're not living on the edge?12:44
intehehe12:45
inteim at least in this preaccess group but didnt receive a notification yet12:45
AcceI am tempted to do the manual upgrade too, but I'm resisting it12:46
the_mgtis it with this "get access to developer releases" option?12:46
TemeVI wouldn't do manual upgrade on my main phone12:46
Stskeepsthe_mgt: no12:46
Stskeepswait for it to make it to early access12:47
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the_mgtis it kind of an alpha for the 2.0 release?12:54
mcfriskbtw, how is the Jolla SW update technically implemented? A new set of RPM repositories and a 'dist-upgrade'? binary diffs of full rootfs? I guess the Jolla store update is somehow separate since these things live outside of RPM package control, maybe in users home or something.12:54
Stskeepsmcfrisk: dist-upgrade + installation of a pattern from what i grok12:55
Stskeepsand shift of repo urls12:55
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mcfriskhmm, did N9/Maemo have same approach but with apt?13:02
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Stskeepsnot really13:04
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coderusmcfrisk: ssu for upgrade repos management13:30
coderusN9 had metapackage for upgrade purpose13:31
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taaemthe struggle is too hard!! why isn't there any news about a new Sailfish device?15:00
Stskeepsthere's, the intex one?15:00
* tbr would prefer a shipping notice for his tablet15:02
tbraka: the last Jolla device15:02
Liekeyeah me too15:04
Accetablets, tablets for everyone!15:04
taaemStskeeps: only in India no? and the hardware seems to be not so good15:04
taaemwho needs a tablet :D15:05
Stskeepstbr: +115:05
Stskeepstaaem: nothing has been said about the hw15:05
Stskeepsafaik15:05
Stskeepshttps://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/55_SAILFISH_INDIA_PRESS_RELEASE_JULY2015_FINAL.PDF15:05
* Stskeeps goes afk15:06
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tadzikoh, news15:07
tadzikwait, old news >:(15:07
tadzikriot! (╯‵Д′)╯彡┻━┻15:07
Yanielno ea update yet :(15:08
Accenothing happening these days :(15:09
tadzikyou can go full rebel and manually update to 1.1.915:09
dirkvlomg you´re such a rebel15:09
SfietKonstantinWAcce: not true15:10
tadzikI'm not15:10
SfietKonstantinWI see git commits15:10
tadzikbut some are15:10
tadzikI'd be a rebel but my mom won't let me15:10
AcceSfietKonstantinW: in nemo mobile? the browser?15:12
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SfietKonstantinWAcce: yep15:18
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zebbiz_piHi!15:33
zebbiz_piRemember me from yesterday?15:33
zebbiz_piI wanted to buy a new Jolla15:33
zebbiz_piBuut someone said it was out of stock15:33
ggabrielit is in stock now15:33
ggabrielgo buy!15:34
zebbiz_piYeah :D15:34
ggabrielquick!15:34
ggabrieldon't waste keystrokes here15:34
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kjetilhozebbiz_pi: nice!  good news15:37
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zebbiz_piHmm... Jolla for 250 or Z5 Compact for 615?15:42
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ggabrieljolla for 250 ofc15:42
ggabrielthe other one runs android :P15:42
zebbiz_pi:P15:43
gexc_jolla users in US: do you carry a mobile hotspot?15:44
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inteanybody followed the news about fcc is gonna regulate 5ghz wifi devices in terms that the firmware needs to be DRMed to make it impossible to modify it16:22
intestep against Open/DDWRT in the first place16:23
inteI only wonder if that regulation would also affect the Jolla tablet sales in the US16:23
taaemwaiting for new salfish phone or one plus 216:23
intewell, given the tablet support 5ghz what im not sure about16:24
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intethe tablet SUPPORTS 5ghz16:28
inteso, the FCC regulation will start later this year16:28
inteand it includes open devices are not allowed to be sold longer than 9month after the rule was applied16:28
intethat implies the tablet wont be on sale for longer than a year in the US, right?16:29
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intetalking about: http://www.heise.de/downloads/18/1/5/7/9/4/3/6/GetAttachment.pdf16:32
inteoh16:33
intewill start on jun16 201616:33
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intebut still16:33
intequite anoying16:33
r0kk3rzsomeone needs to be selling the tablet as an ongoing product first16:34
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inter0kk3rz: yeah but those might only be sold for nine month after the fcc regulation was given but not later16:40
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intemeans, the jolla tablet will only be on sale for 9 month after 6/16/2016 am I right?16:40
baumhmmm strange i did reset my phone mulitple times now (to factory settings), each time i did a reset it reseted a bit more....?16:41
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inteI only wonder if it will still be possible to install Linux on notebooks sold after that date or if the UEFI bootloader will be locked against unauthorized modifications16:41
baumnow after the 5th/6th time all installed apps finally got removed16:42
bauminte: have a look at coreboot16:42
Nicd-inte: more reasons to never move to the US16:45
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r0kk3rzinte: they can worry about that when they get there, but it will be likely less than 9 months on sale16:49
r0kk3rzas im not sure the tablet is going on regular sale straight away16:49
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taaemShouldn't there be news about the new Jolla Devices Company?17:21
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ggabrielthe news is that there is a new jolla devices company :P17:23
taaemggabriel: well a company without something to sell :P17:23
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ggabrielwell, mobile devices don't just spawn out of thin air17:28
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taaemsad truth17:31
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taaemwasnt there a 32gb Jolla some time ago?17:51
Nicd-no17:51
taaemwas it only 16gb?17:52
Nicd-there has only been a 16 GB model17:52
taaemokay17:52
TemeVtablet is 32Gb17:52
taaemTemeV: ahh17:52
Nicd-tablet is 32 or 6417:52
Aciidhow does one need 32Gb, when 16 GB is enough for everyone ~ Marc Dillon17:52
Nicd-16 GB is not enough for btrfs :D17:52
Aciidyes binary trees are hard17:53
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taaemStskeeps: any news about de-btrfs the jolla?17:54
taaemJust checking the Jolla Youtube channel, will you make new how tos for Sailfish OS .017:55
taaem2.0*17:55
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Smarfwiw, I haven’t had problems with btrfs with jolla :P17:56
Nicd-my calendar sync is totally messed up again17:57
Nicd-so I guess I'll factory reset when 1.1.9 hits EA17:57
Nicd-will 1.1.9 have a new factory reset point or will it reset back to some age old version?17:57
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TemeVI'd guess they don't dare to change the snapshot17:59
TemeVthe phone is a brick after all if that update goes wrong17:59
r0kk3rzthere was going to be some investiation about how to do that17:59
r0kk3rzbut yeah, riskyish18:00
Nicd-ok18:00
Nicd-so might as well reset before18:00
TemeVat least the 9.27 didn't change the snapshot18:01
TemeVI made a factory reset to mine and it went to Laadunjrvi18:01
TemeV...I think, now that I think of it, I'm not really sure18:02
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r0kk3rzsurely you could do another snapshot, verify, then remove the first one18:07
r0kk3rzi dont really know how btrfs snapshots work18:07
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TemeVr0kk3rz: after verify you'd have to remove the old snapshot and then rename the new one18:09
TemeVand if it fails in between there...18:09
r0kk3rzwouldnt be a complete brick18:10
TemeVyeah, it would be fixable from recovery18:11
r0kk3rzwould just have a snapshot with the wrong name, and youd have to manually fangle it from the recovery console?18:11
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r0kk3rzwow18:14
r0kk3rzrenaming uses mv18:14
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r0kk3rzlooks like it would take about 3 commands to replace your recovery snapshot18:24
r0kk3rzmight be worth doing18:24
TemeVr0kk3rz: 6, because there is separate snapshot of home18:25
r0kk3rzoh right18:25
r0kk3rzmaybe better not to worry about home though18:26
r0kk3rzas then it will clean userdata18:26
TemeV?18:26
TemeVhome might have outdated databases or something if you don't update that snapshot also18:26
r0kk3rztrue18:27
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TemeVonly sensible way to that (at home) is first do factory reset, then update to latest and then snapshot18:27
TemeVthen after factory reset (in theory) you would be returned to that state18:28
r0kk3rzor you've bricked your device18:28
TemeVyeah18:28
r0kk3rzsounds like fun :D18:28
TemeV:D18:29
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r0kk3rzon the safer side, you dont even have to remove the original snapshots i guess18:32
r0kk3rzjust rename18:32
TemeVyeah sure, but then you're wasting space18:32
r0kk3rzmight give an additional recovery mode if your new snapshots brick18:32
TemeVwell, of course you can test the new snapshot and then remove the original snapshot18:33
r0kk3rzwonder how much space though18:33
TemeVsome hundreds of megabytes I guess18:33
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jsksjkafor updates i disable all patches and repos?18:49
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coderusremove all patches packages from warehouse18:51
coderusin /etc/ssu/ssu.ini change mode to 1618:52
coderusupgrade18:52
coderusand after reboot change mode to 418:52
jsksjkawhat do you mean with change mode?18:54
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jsksjkaif i disable all repos i cant enable from warehouse?18:55
TemeVjsksjka: are you updating via gui or terminal?18:56
jsksjkagui18:56
TemeVthen just remove patches and don't worry about the rest18:56
jsksjkaok ty18:57
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coderussomebody stil updating to 1.1.7.x :|19:34
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zebbiz_pidamnit...19:53
zebbiz_piI can't buy it atm19:53
zebbiz_piNo visa/mastercard and not enough money on paypal19:53
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r0kk3rzyou know you can put your card details into paypal20:07
r0kk3rzeven as a once off20:08
zebbiz_pir0kk3rz: nope, not with my card20:09
r0kk3rzreally? interesting20:09
zebbiz_piI made my dad pay and I'll pay him20:09
r0kk3rzthat works too20:09
zebbiz_piI have a maestro20:09
r0kk3rzah20:09
zebbiz_piyeah...20:09
zebbiz_piI really gotta get a Visa or Mastercard20:10
r0kk3rzyeah those two are basically everywhere20:10
Yanielcareful, your dad might end up taking the jolla end having you buy a new one ;)20:12
zebbiz_piAnd done! :D20:15
zebbiz_piYaniel: Nah, I've payed him20:15
zebbiz_piand it will be delivered to me20:15
zebbiz_piI'd really like the TOH Black, but it's out of stock :/20:16
zebbiz_pi> the the other half20:17
zebbiz_pi...20:17
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Yanielthat's common20:18
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r0kk3rzaaand the red one20:20
r0kk3rzthe aloe one they cant seem to even give away20:20
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zebbiz_piThe red is still in stock, but it looks too bland for my taste20:23
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Yanielif the red one is the same red as the first one then it's anything but bland20:24
r0kk3rzbland20:26
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r0kk3rzbut you want the black one20:26
r0kk3rzinteresting20:27
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zebbiz_piBland as in not red enough, too light red, more orange than red20:29
zebbiz_piOr my monitor is weird20:30
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pdanekHello!23:33
pdanekIs there a way to become early adopter please?23:33
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pdanekMarc Dillon has talk tomorrow23:50
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pdanek20.00 - 20.30 Marc Dillon: The face of mobile in 5-10 years23:50
pdanekhttp://www.eventbrite.com/e/hardwarehel-presents-dawn-of-the-devices-tickets-1836444454823:50
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