#jollamobile log for Wednesday, 2015-09-09

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coderuspdanek: in web account.jolla.com "Early access to Sailfish OS releases"00:29
pdanekcoderus: did the early access releases have many issues historically?00:34
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coderuspdanek: never00:42
coderusearly access is stable releases00:43
coderuscbeta is buggy00:43
coderusand some internal qa is hard to use releases :D00:43
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jaacoppiearly access does have some issues. For 1.1.7, 3 versions were released as early access before a final 1.1.7.28 was released for everyone05:16
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coderusbut it never failed/crashed/destroyed all data :)05:23
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pp_yep, few small bugs that may be showstoppers for some but generally not (and nothing that prevents updating to the one that fixes it)05:25
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Nicd-jaacoppi: the point of EA was to find those bugs so they could be fixed :P05:26
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Nicd-I think many EA releases is part of the process05:26
the_mgtsome of them were rather small, too. one was 4mb, the other 30mb, iirc05:31
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jaacoppiyeah, I was referrend to pdanek saying "did the early access releases have many issues historically?". They did have many issues. Maybe not serious issues, but issues still05:33
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Nicd-ah05:38
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jaacoppiI've still got 1.1.7.24 since it works well enough for me05:49
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lainwir3dhi08:11
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citylight2I am using the brand new debian 8.1 lxde by rcn-ee to set up gpio0(23) P8_43 as gpio08:19
citylight2config-pin -a P8_43 gpio08:20
citylight2I get:08:20
citylight2P8_43 pinmux file not found!08:20
citylight2P8_43 overlay not found08:20
citylight2bash: line 0: echo: write error: No such file or directory08:20
citylight2Error loading device tree overlay file: cape-universala08:20
citylight2sorry08:20
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cintema_http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/webwelt/article146178876/Das-finnische-Jolla-Tablet-ist-Spionage-sicher.html09:16
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intesorry german article but in one of the mayor newspapers09:16
intepretty cool09:16
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intewell the article is mainly concentraiting on the hardware specs and comparing it to android tablets on the one hand, but on the other pointing out the security advantage of SailfishOS09:33
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integood to be in the "big" press in either case :-)09:46
HelleSailfishOS, the operating system designed with humans in mind ?09:48
Hellethat is often what it feels like to me09:48
Helleespecially whenever I have to deal with some silly Android thing09:48
artemmahow can you feel it? :)09:48
Helleartemma: well, this is feel vs know, I am not a usability engineering expert09:49
StskeepsHelle: or as i call it, designed to be part of the human mind..09:49
HelleOh, btw, I've managed to get a redshift style thing working, but it's not pretty with how it hacks the compositor09:50
Stskeepsflux?09:50
HelleStskeeps: yes, colour temperature adjustment based on time of day09:50
Stskeepsnod09:51
lainwir3dNice.09:51
HelleMy personal two missing items are "pinning/widgets" and animated backgrounds :P09:52
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HelleBut uh, in practice, jneither of them is as much a show stopper as the just horrendous UIs on Android09:52
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pp_ooh10:00
pp_dunno if the "avoid blue light before sleeptime" really works, but at least I'm doing something about it10:01
Hellepp_: well, for me it's more "this is nicer on my eyes in the evening"10:01
Helleso I can actually look at the screen without feeling like my eyes are being burned out10:02
Hellebut the problem is, I need to patch the compositor's QML to apply the shader (and give it params)10:02
HelleI may be able to do some tricky magic to avoid that10:02
Hellebut currently, it is probably not even safe to put up on warehouse10:03
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inteI find Android hell to use10:03
inteits even worse then symbian :)10:03
intebut with less features ;)10:03
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inteat least for the telephony part10:04
Helleinte: mmmm, yeah10:04
Hellewell, telephone isn't great on SailfishOS either, but who ever uses a phone :P10:04
kimmolii made simple black opaque rectangle overlay to dimm the display10:05
ggabrieli do, and it works great for me10:05
fluxstskeeps, yes dear?!10:05
Stskeepsflux: hah10:05
Stskeeps:P10:05
Stskeepsf.lux10:05
Stskeeps:P10:05
inteHelle: true :)10:06
inteI was still using Symbian since I had a second line on my contract (aka Alternate Line Service)10:06
intebut my provider ceased the service since all modern phones wasnt supporting it any longer10:06
intewell, "modern"10:07
inteit was still somewhat supported on the N900 though10:07
intethrough terminal commands10:07
intebut not on the N9 neither on the Jolla10:07
intebut the service is dead now anyways, no worries10:08
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inteI still find there were some great GSM services once, like ALS, billing information, UMA, and such10:08
inteObivously the providers, in a state of sleep, werent able to really monetize them10:10
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dr_gogeta86inte you got two numbers on same sim ?10:18
inteyes10:20
intewell, not any more10:20
intebut i used to10:20
interemember that little 1 (or 2) in the top line of symbian phones10:20
inteyou were able to switch lines by holding the # longer10:21
pp_probably that feature required ~= 1 jollaful of engineers to maintain ;)10:21
intewas also working on ericsson or whatever10:21
intepp_: well the service is dead now due to lack of support by phone manufactures10:21
intewas very comfortable though10:22
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inteyou had different ringtones depening on the line the call came in10:22
intedifferent diverts10:22
inteetc.10:22
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intepretty cool10:22
inteon ericsson phones, it was also possible to have the diverts automatically set when switching the profile10:23
intelike private profile, all business calls went straight to the mailbox10:23
Yanielthat's actually pretty cool10:23
intesome providers now offer some sim toolkit based dual sim10:23
intebut its more like an actual dual sim, its only one incoming line therefore the same ringtone for all incomming calls10:24
inteon the other hand, roaming was never possible for the second line with ALS10:24
Mikaelasomeone I know has her phone like that too, when she is at work everything is done with work numbr and outside of work personal number10:25
intewith the non-standard stk-based dualline that works10:25
inteMikaela: well that rather the "new" service since ALS is probably dead now10:25
Mikaelathe only issue that I have seen is that my Jolla attempts to reply to work number (where SMS originates from) while the work number doesn't relay SMSes10:25
intewhat phone does she use10:25
inteoh, true, sms were only possible on the first line for outgoing10:26
MikaelaSome Android, I am not sure if it's Samsung or LG, but probably Samsung10:26
intebut incoming sms were just forwarded from both lines10:26
inteim pretty sure android doesnt support als10:26
Mikaelaher incoming SMS aren't forwarded from work number10:27
MikaelaI don't know if it's ALS or what, but it's like that timed. It would probably read somewhere in Elisa's business pages10:27
intehttps://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=617410:27
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inteMikaela: which country?10:28
inteprovider10:28
MikaelaFinland10:28
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intehow cant read fincrypted so I wont find out :)10:29
intei know for orange(UK), Eplus(Germany), Rogers(Canada) and ONE(Austria) that they either ceased the service or they switched to the STK-based one10:30
MikaelaI didn't find anything else on their contracts page other than how much business packs would cost10:30
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inteMikaela: Its sometimes somewhere hidden in the business section10:42
intethey usually dont promote that service10:43
MikaelaI have no idea where I would look for it10:43
Mikaelabefore hearing about her setup I didn't even know that it exists and would have just thought about dualsim phone10:43
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TMavicaSomeone already bought Jolla tablet in China..11:06
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inteMikaela: whats her provider?11:10
MikaelaElisa as I said11:11
inteTMavica: oh they have clones already?11:11
inteMikaela: You said Finland :-)11:11
inteor is there only one provider in finland?11:11
ggabrielnah, there are more in .fi11:12
inte(seriously, I dont know)11:12
ggabrielsuch as dna11:12
Mikaela2015-09-09 13:27:22+0300 < Mikaela> I don't know if it's ALS or what, but it's like that timed. It would probably read somewhere in Elisa's business pages11:12
integgabriel: ah, sure11:12
inteMikaela: haha, I thought Elisa was her name :-)11:12
MikaelaI see11:12
ggabrielthat explains the "her"11:12
the_mgtinte: wasn't this second line stuff used for "home zones", too?11:13
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the_mgtI thought that was why they patched out the stuff, so the user couldn't manually switch between those11:13
intethe_mgt: no that is something different11:14
intethe_mgt: eplus never had a homezone, neither one of the other providers i mentioned above11:14
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the_mgtI didn't read everything11:14
intehomezone was a different gsm feature11:15
the_mgteplus now offers a landline number for receiving calls11:15
intethe old phones with this lcd even had a little house which could switch on or of depending on where you are11:15
the_mgtI remember11:15
intethe_mgt: yes, but that number is always working11:15
inteits just a call forward11:16
the_mgtGenion were the first to use that11:16
inteand probaly the only provider, at least in germany11:16
the_mgtyep11:16
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StskeepsTMavica: neat11:19
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inteMikaela: https://oma.elisa.fi/yrityksille/info/tuotteet-ja-palvelut/tuotteet/ring-vaihdepalvelu11:21
Mikaelaok11:22
inteI presume they use that service in your friends company11:22
inteits rather a virtual, cloud based pbx11:22
intesimple call diverts11:22
inteand she maybe even has an app on her phone to use it11:22
intei read about a similar service elsewhere11:22
intebut in a language I could understand :-)11:23
MikaelaI don't know if it's that because the number always goes to her. I haven't seen app on her phone while being android support11:23
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inteI dont know... Ask her ;) Not even sure if that service requires a dedicated app.11:28
StskeepsTMavica: got a url for where you found that, ooi?11:28
inteMikaela: She isnt working for Insta DefSec or Delta Car by coincidence? :)11:29
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MikaelaI don't remember what the place is, but it's near shopping centre Jumbo and she sells everything possible11:30
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Tegudoes she sell seashells?11:31
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inteMikaela: hehe just asking since those are named as reference customers :)11:31
TMavicaStskeeps: from QQ group11:32
TMavicaI guess it is a developer device11:32
TMavicaSomeone sell it11:32
Stskeepsdunno11:32
Stskeepsdoes that mean that the jolla tablet is shipping?11:32
Stskeeps:P11:32
TMavicaMostly11:32
Stskeeps:p11:32
TMavicaIs on hand11:32
TMavicaHe bought from someone11:33
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StskeepsTMavica: i'm somewhat flattered somebody gets hardware before release outside our normal channels; people must care enough about jolla if so :p11:35
cybetteTMavica: is the QQ group public?11:37
TMavicacybette: let me ask ask11:38
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TMavicaI get that news from my Jolla hk fd, he just told me that11:39
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TMavicaSee the pic in my tweet11:42
Sail0r?11:43
Sail0rwhich tweet?11:43
tadzikI... don't think this entire channel follows you on twitter11:43
Stskeepstadzik: you don't?11:43
Stskeeps:P11:43
lainwir3d:P11:44
tadzikStskeeps: if I did, I couldn't be sarcastic like that :P11:44
Sail0rhttps://twitter.com/TMavica/status/64156721295685632111:44
Sail0rthis one i think ;)11:44
TMavicaIs someone really sell his developer device, wt will Jolla do?11:44
tadzikoh btw, speaking of Jolla Launcher11:45
tadzikI had an android friend very excited about it, and then after a while very disappointed that he upgraded to that android 5 or whatever that's not supported11:45
TMavicaIf11:45
StskeepsTMavica: practically it's not theirs to sell11:45
Stskeepsie not their property11:45
Stskeepssame like n950 was11:45
tadzikare there plans to make Launcher available on newer android thing too?11:46
cybetteTMavica: they have signed "loan" agreements, devices are not theirs, lots of legal blah blah if they sell ;)11:46
Stskeepstadzik: apis got worse in 5.x11:47
TMavicaDeveloper device is shipped, right?11:47
tadzik:(11:47
SfietKonstantinWTMavica: maybe11:47
coderusTMavica: can you make a photo closer?11:48
TMavicaI dont have, how i make closer..11:48
SfietKonstantinWTMavica: can you make a photo behind ?11:49
StskeepsSfietKonstantinW: he doesn't have it, it's from a qq group11:49
SfietKonstantinW:(11:50
SfietKonstantinWyou can ask :)11:50
TMavicacybette: i cap the conversation screen to u11:50
coderusaaah, its not your photo :D11:50
TMavicaHe is quited11:50
cybetteTMavica: great, thanks :)11:51
TMavicaIf i have, i wont speak out. Lol11:52
tadzik. o O ( there will be blood )11:52
TMavicaWaiy11:52
TMavicaWait.11:53
tadzikso if I update to this unreleased release I'll get a shiny eventsview toggles like that? :P11:53
TMavicaI am angry who sell his device11:53
lainwir3d{...}11:53
tadzik( `ー´)11:53
lainwir3dtadzik: unreleased release ?11:53
lainwir3dMy mind just blown11:53
lainwir3dinfinite loop11:54
TMavicacybette: only you know chinese, how i send you the pic conversation11:54
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tadzik:-D-\-<11:54
TMavicaI got it11:54
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coderustadzik: if you have a tablet yes11:55
coderustadzik: phone doesnt have enough screen width and sidebar is not shown11:55
Nicd-gonna reset my phone now11:55
Nicd-here goes nothing11:55
tadzikcoderus: oh. bummer11:56
coderusyou can see it only with homescreen landscape patch and sidebar enabler patch11:56
coderusif activate sidepar in portrait is very ugly and your events will have just 150px width :D11:56
tadzikmaybe if I plug in an external display to the phone... :)11:57
cybetteTMavica: twitter DM, FB messenger, wechat, email..11:57
SfietKonstantinWcybette is really in the SoMe11:58
Stskeepscybette is -some-11:58
Stskeeps:P11:58
coderustadzik: really, good DIY project, let's go111:58
TMavicaAny gift i can get if I report this? Lol11:58
SfietKonstantinWStskeeps: cybette is a lot :P11:58
cybette:P11:58
Nicd-resetting...11:58
Nicd-;_;11:58
StskeepsTMavica: well, i probably have a beverage next time we meet in HK.. :P11:58
cybettewell to use SoMe effectively I have to be some :)11:58
Stskeeps;p11:58
coderusNicd-: why you resetting phone? :D11:58
Nicd-coderus: lots of sync and other problems11:59
coderus:(11:59
Nicd-contacts not syncing, calendar sync broken, android app stores don't work...11:59
Nicd-thought I might as well reset before 1.1.9 ea11:59
cybetteTMavica: I'll buy you a round (or few) next time we meet :)11:59
tadzikoh, time for my repost now that everyone's here...11:59
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tadzikthis has been happening to my SD every now and then. Should I start looking for a new one already?12:00
tadzikFAT-fs (mmcblk1p1): error, invalid access to FAT (entry 0x080e2013)12:00
Stskeepstadzik: chkdsk it?12:00
tadziksometimes when I unplug and plug it it works for a few writes12:00
Stskeepsif there's no i/o errors12:00
tadzikthen remounts ro12:00
Stskeepsthat's a fs error, not i/o12:00
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tadzikoh, sounds promising12:00
coderusrepartition it to ext if you not using mass storage :)12:01
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tadzikhm, I merely sshfs to it, so that's not a bad idea12:02
tadzikwhich package is chkdsk in, and can I get it with pkcon?12:03
tadziksearch doesn't help me :/12:04
Nicd-it reset to 1.0.5 and this is so laggy :D12:05
tadziktogether seems to indicate that fsck.vfat should be on device, but it isn't on mine12:07
TMavicacybette: i sent you dm in twitter12:08
Stskeepsdosfstools12:08
tadzikis there a mer package somewhere?12:09
tadzikpkcon doesn't see it12:09
Stskeepsssu ar mer-tools12:09
TMavicaIt really is a loan device12:10
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tadzikStskeeps: still doesn't seem to be there12:10
Stskeepshmm12:11
tadzikI even dit pkcon update and that... installed some stuff :/12:11
Stskeepspkcon refresh12:11
Stskeeps:P12:11
tadzikoh, refresh12:11
Stskeepsnot update12:11
tadzikI wonder what it updated :D12:12
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tadzikok, now it's there, awesome12:13
Tofeyou guys do like do start random commands as root, eh12:13
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jaacoppiI love the smell of root in the morning12:21
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ShinryuuI love the smell of my Jolla in the morning12:27
TMavicacybette: ok?12:28
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TMavicaNot fast enough to cap his number then he left group.12:31
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cybetteTMavica: thanks, he didn't confirm it's a developer loan device though? and he wants to install android on it?? :P12:36
Liekehttps://together.jolla.com/question/107684/changelog-119eineheminlampi/12:37
Liekeooh12:37
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TMavicaBecause he is a buyer, just paid the money, how will ask that12:39
Nicd-it's out now?!?!12:39
Nicd-good timing12:39
Nicd-I'm just installing 1.1.712:39
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LipevakalaNot yet?12:40
cybetteTMavica: yeah.. anyway thanks for the screen caps :)12:40
TMavicaI think you got the way to chk it out. Lol12:42
cybetteTMavica: yes we're checking :)12:45
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TemeV"up to date" says my Jolla :/12:48
wysiwtfhm12:48
wysiwtfnice german article, thx for sharing12:48
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wysiwtfapparently the dev/press-tablet arent of the highest build quality12:48
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ggabrielwell, that was obvious, and announced iirc12:50
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friesehttps://together.jolla.com/question/107685/release-notes-119eineheminlampi-early-access/ -> upgrade verson history says today is the day for early access :)12:52
ggabriel\o/12:52
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TMavicacybette: no need check..12:53
Nicd-now spamming "check for updates"12:53
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TMavicacybette: 德普華檢測.....12:54
fluxcool, dimmed app covers for oom-closed apps12:54
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ggabrieland applications stay where they are open12:54
ggabrielthat's cool too, will get a few seconds to get used to though12:54
anYc\o/12:54
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fluxmaybe I don't need to start apps after a while12:56
Nicd-it's available!12:56
Nicd-wooooo12:56
frieseyup, here too :)12:56
fluxthe upgrade claims its first victims so soon?!12:56
cybetteTMavica: where does it say that?12:57
Nicd-downloading now12:57
TMavicacybette: 佢在QQ group話買,不過睇佢個blog, 佢做德普華檢測,唔知佢轉移視線定點12:57
friesehuh, update is being prepared? thats new... is that a new interface for btrfs-rebalancing or did i simply never notice that before *nervously waiting*12:57
ursI'll download, but wait for the first reports before I actually install it.12:58
Stskeepsanybody else attending HardwareHEL tonight?12:58
Nicd-Stskeeps: a link in the TJC release notes does not work12:58
* Stskeeps points to bijjal 12:58
xfade_friese: no, it simply calculated the update size for you12:58
Nicd-"Ambience tones now follow global tone settings. You can override global tone settings by adding actions to ambience. Read more to understand the new behaviour better." links to https://drydock-together.jolla.com/question/383/release-notes-119eineheminlampi/#383-ambience-and-global-settings and that requires HTTP auth12:58
Nicd-bijjal: --^12:58
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xfade_friese: based on what you have installed vs what is in the repository12:58
bijjalNicd-: i thought i just fixed it, checking again12:59
Nicd-bijjal: you did :)12:59
frieseah okay, so probably just never noticed that before :)12:59
Nicd-I refreshed and it was fine12:59
bijjalNicd-: ok :)12:59
Nicd-sorry for the disturbance12:59
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frieseah, theres the familiar optimization starting13:01
bijjalNicd-: no worries, i should have checked more carefully before posting13:01
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frieseand after that just a few more hours of waiting till the new sailfish :)13:01
Nicd-my optimization was over in a few secs13:01
Nicd-benefits of resetting the phone :D13:02
friese:)13:02
TemeVwhat's the download size of the update?13:02
friesei think my last update took under 5 minutes, i can live with that...13:02
minimecHi. I just checked for updates and got 'the message' right now. Size is 240MB13:03
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cybetteTMavica: you know that's his blog? that he works at 德普華檢測?13:05
TemeVminimec: ok, thanks13:06
coderusso, this leaked tablet picture is for journalist? :D13:06
TemeVmy download is not advancing :/13:06
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Nicd-coderus: what pic?13:07
ursTemeV: that's because we are *all* downloading right now13:07
TMavicacybette: his profile link to there13:07
frieseurs: well i'm not *still optimizing* :)13:07
TMavicacybette: u know what i mean i typed in chinese above?13:08
Tofeurs: to all :) I'm waiting to be at home, with a Linux desktop in front of me, just in case :p13:08
Tofenot*13:08
anYcthe changelog is huuuge...13:08
TemeVurs: could you all stop downloading so I could get mine... :)13:08
friesemaybe it's time for a reset... i dont remember ever having that done since i got my jolla in 2013...13:08
Smarthen installing... ;)13:08
ursTemeV: I'm actually done downloading just now13:09
Nicd-done installing!13:09
TemeVso now there should be bandwidth for me too!13:09
lainwir3dnot if... i download it too !13:09
cybetteTMavica: roughly... although you use slightly different words in cantonese :)13:09
TemeVnope, nothing happens, still stuck to like 5 first pixels13:10
lainwir3dand my coworker next to me too !13:10
Nicd-TemeV: get a better connection13:10
Nicd-it was pretty fast for me13:10
lainwir3djust so you can enjoy it better after a long wait TemeV13:10
intewhat are you all downloading? No Updates for me yet13:10
TemeVI have 3G with no speed limit13:10
xfade_TemeV: You can monitor it using pkmon on cli13:10
Nicd-inte: 1.1.9 is in EA13:10
ursinte: 1.1.9 is available for early access13:10
intecool13:10
ursNicd-: soo... did it... not destroy your phone?13:10
Nicd-ooh, new tutorial13:10
inteIll keep refreshing then :)13:10
Nicd-urs: it's alive13:10
Nicd-just booted into new tutorial13:10
friesewell, 250mb, shouldn't take more than an hour :)13:11
Nicd-"Here is Lock Screen" :D13:11
TemeVxfade_: thanks13:11
Nicd-that's some finglish13:11
Temefinglish <313:11
Temebut that's actually rally driver english, not finglish ;)13:11
intemh justed doubled checked my accounts profile an i should be in early access13:12
xfade_TemeV: and otherwise check your journal. The first 10% is actually refreshing all repositories, so if it gets stuck there...13:12
Nicd-hehe, tutorial's phone app has pic of Tomi, who is now our CEO13:12
TemeVthere is atleast some actin with pkmon13:12
inte.oO(reboot might be an option, DAU style)13:13
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Nicd-yay, they fixed the call UI pulley menu13:14
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Yanielhere goes13:14
TemeVsome failures in logs13:15
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TemeVI'll try a Windows fix13:16
TMavicacybette: yes. Lol13:16
Nicd-hmm13:16
Nicd-dunno if I like the new pulley "you selected something!" effect13:16
Nicd-it's so slow13:16
Stskeepswrite your perceptions to tjc13:17
Stskeeps:P13:17
intehuuu13:18
inteI dont have a device anymore13:18
intesomehow it got dropped from my jolla account13:18
ggabrielinte: buy one?13:18
inteweired13:18
intehehe13:18
intei have it in my hand :)13:18
inteoh boy13:19
intemy account is somewhat fucked up13:19
xfade_inte: just log in on your device again.13:19
inteafter i cant login to tjc anymore im now out of devices13:19
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TofeI like the dimmed app cover idea13:20
Nicd-I thought you were getting rid of the triangle effect that is everywhere13:21
intehu13:21
intei just realized i still have two jolla accounts13:21
intewhich is wired :)13:21
inteweired13:22
intehaaa13:23
inteNOW I also know how to log back into tjc13:23
inteso i should better have one deleted13:23
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TemeV"Problem with store, could not detect size of update"13:27
TemeVis this bad?13:27
ggabrielmaybe too many people downloading :)13:28
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xfade_TemeV: Try updating your jolla account credentials13:28
TemeVand now I don't have the lake picture anymore13:28
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ggabrielso, was it intentional that 1.1.9 EA is announced the same day as the iNews?13:29
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TemeVxfade_: thanks, that helped13:29
Tofeggabriel: I sure won't look at the iConference tonight! Better explore the new UI!13:30
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ursok, update done, works nicely13:31
ursI think a lot of people are going to be extremely annoyed that "quick app closing" is not on by default.13:32
ggabrieli don't have the update13:32
ggabrieland i'm already annoyed13:32
ggabriel:P13:32
xfade_Hehe, well at least there is a setting for it ;)13:32
Smarurs: it wasn’t the default previously either from what I know about it13:32
ursxfade_: indeed. I approve!13:32
Smarat least wasn’t for me13:32
ggabrielalso, that hasn't been the default for a while now ;)13:32
ggabrielthe trouble is that the option you had migrated nicely13:33
ursah, alright13:33
ggabriel1.1.9 may not migrate that as the UI paradigm changes13:33
ggabrielwhich kinda makes sense13:33
ggabrielbut people will complain13:33
ursah, so did everybody just close their apps the cumbersome homescreen-way?13:33
ggabrielor wait for oom13:33
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Tofeggabriel: and prey that the oom chooses the app they didn't intend to use next :)13:34
YanielI get lots of "problem with store, <app> is already up to date"13:35
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xfade_Yaniel: After booting the update? Or when?13:35
Yanielyes13:36
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Yanielafter booting 1.1.913:41
inteurs what is quick app closing?13:42
Yanielquick app closing is swipe from top13:42
intewell but how do you close apps then?13:42
Yanielthe alternative is tap&hold on homescreen13:42
inteoh13:42
kimmolienable from settings?13:42
Yanielthat adds close buttons to covers13:42
intei never use that13:43
kimmolithe swipe to close?13:43
inteyeah i know but thats to complex for me13:43
* kimmoli read backlog13:43
intei only swipe13:43
ursi never use the homescreen method, I always thought the swipe-from-top is the preferred way13:43
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ggabrielno, that's the pro way13:43
ursthe homescreen method seems like an afterthought13:43
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intewell but its just a setting i presume13:43
ggabrielthe l33t way is open terminal and kill ofc13:43
ggabrielit's a setting indeed13:43
ggabrielit's been for a while13:44
ggabrielthanks to ios/android users13:44
ursIt's also the reason why I can't use android phones anymore13:44
integgabriel: never recogniced but the terminal way is defineatly the way to do it :)13:44
kimmolisystemctl --user restart lipstick is the killall of all killalls13:44
ursI permanently try to edge-swipe everything13:44
intehehe13:44
urskimmoli: did you mean: ctrl+alt+backspace?13:44
kimmoliyes, but someone mentioned cli13:45
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kimmolii managed to get my phone in state where edge swipes were working and home, but no touches in apps. ctrl-alt-backspace ftw13:46
ggabrieloh yeah, me too13:46
ggabrieland i have a keyboard now13:46
ggabrieli'm looking forward to doing that again13:46
lainwir3dyeah, happened to me several times13:46
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intestill dont have the update but i only just hit the switch in my profile settings13:48
inteprobably takes some time13:48
coderusoh loook, did not enabled ea for 1.1.7.x and when 1.1.9.x is available users started to use it :D13:49
TemeVcan I skip the tutorial somehow?13:50
Yanieltap all corners in clockwise order?13:51
TemeVdoesn't work :/13:51
LipevakalaMe like. Some learning to do. (Changes background all the time)13:51
TofeDo the Konami code ? ;)13:52
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ggabrielno phones bricked yet?13:52
* ggabriel impressed...13:52
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intecoderus: I had it enabled for quite some time, even when it was only possible to be enabled through this notorious list from tjc. I seem to have had some hassles with my account and now I rather reenabled it :-)13:54
the_mgtbtw, I read on http://sailfishmods.de/wordpress/2015/09/sailfish-os-2-0-v1-1-9-27-eineheminlampi-kleiner-einblick/ that the guy is using ICQ13:56
coderusyeah, seems jolla updated account webpage to new style and decided to drop some accounts info just for fun :)13:56
the_mgtI only found ages old rpms, is there a recent, hasslefree way to get it up and running?13:56
Nicd-hehe, store is down13:57
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Stskeepsxfade_: ^13:57
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coderusthe_mgt: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/icq-account13:57
Nicd-general communication problem with the store server13:57
Nicd-maybe overloaded?13:57
pp_hehe, was just going to comment "here, store is down"13:57
xfade_works for me ;)13:57
pp_hehe, even.13:57
the_mgtcoderus: nice, very nice. thank you very much13:58
the_mgtnow, does it work with OTR?13:59
coderusof course no13:59
Yanielstill no cover art for flacs :(13:59
TemeVNicd-: I get that error too but store still works14:01
Nicd-didn't even load for me14:01
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the_mgtwhoa, the bug is old enough to go to school, meanwhile14:02
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ursok, first bug in 1.1.9 I see: when charging, the phone keeps playing the "charger connected" sound for every percent increase in battery charge14:12
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Nicd-doesn't do it for me14:14
xfade_Now that is a nice feature :)14:14
ursOnl noticed it for the last 3% tho.14:15
ursMaybe it actually is a feature, saying "I am now fully charged"?14:15
coderusurs: no14:15
coderusit charged to 100 then drop to 95 or so and start charging again14:16
coderusmaybe you discharge it very fast14:16
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Nicd-damn urs, now it did it 3 times14:17
Nicd-while at 100 %14:17
xfade_Might be because your alien is running dexopt on a lot of apks. This is quite intensive work.14:17
Nicd-the phone is doing nothing (alien not installed)14:17
Nicd-and it was locked14:17
ursNicd-: yep, exactly the same here.14:18
xfade_tracker on images?14:18
Nicd-well I have no photos14:19
Nicd-I just reset so there's not really anything on the device14:19
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Nicd-just waiting for store to wake up so I can get developer mode14:21
Nicd-ooh, it's alive14:21
coderusanyway, you should ignore all bugs first 2-6 hours after upgrade, then reboot and start reporting bugs :)14:23
* ggabriel waiting for first "battery drain" report14:25
coderusggabriel: be first, create your own!14:26
ggabrieloh, i'm not EA14:26
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ggabrielbut I could report anyway that battery drains a lot!!! how is this possible!!14:26
Nicd-yeeeeees! my TOHKBD has åäö!14:28
Nicd-<314:28
anYcbattery drain looks normal here14:28
Smardon’t really care about å, but yes ;)14:28
ggabrielpoint is: it'll never be normal14:28
KabouikOk guys, my early-update failed and the Jolla does not boot anymore. I'm in recovery mode, mounted mmcblk0p28 so I can browse my filesystem. How can I save my .vault? I have no working microSD.14:28
Nicd-first brick?14:29
ggabrielindeed14:29
kimmoliscp to pc?14:29
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KabouikI'm telnet-ing with Linux kimmoli14:30
kimmoliscp works from jolla, iirc14:30
KabouikI'm not sure what you mean I should do exactly14:30
kimmolitar the vault and scp it to your pc14:31
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* gexc_ waiting for the optimization... :-/14:32
KabouikWell, apparently my /mnt/rootfs (where mmcblk0p28 was mounted)/home is empty14:32
KabouikSo that should "solve" the .vault save problem14:33
coderusKabouik: -o subvolid=014:33
xfade_Kabouik: it is empty because home is mounted there14:33
ggabrieluhm...14:33
ggabrielyeah, make sure you mount the right subvol14:33
KabouikThanks coderus, better!14:34
xfade_Kabouik: A lot of useful tips in this post: https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/14:35
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KabouikI read that already coderus: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/20251413814:35
KabouikProblem is the backup procedure implies a SD14:36
xfade_You can probably use nc to copy a tarball out.14:36
ggabrielKabouik: did you not have the same issue the last time? bricked device + non working sd?14:36
KabouikI've had all sorts of issues :>14:37
KabouikBut never both at the same time (my SD died last time I came here, but the device was not bricked, and I just happen to have no SD anymore now)14:37
ggabrielI'd have sworn that you promised to get a microsd card after you came back from holidays14:37
ggabrielbut i may be wrong ;)14:37
KabouikIt's under progress, I'm discussing with the website I bought it on for an exchange actually14:37
ursbtw, just as I tried to use the phone app, I noticed: the top line of apps is no longer displayed straight on the home screen.14:38
ursYou now have to scroll down to start them.14:38
ursWhich also means that the bottommost line of apps is now on the second page14:40
ursAlso, there doesn't seem to be a way on the homescreen to see what network operator the phone is connected to14:41
KabouikI don't have scp installed on the jolla apparently kimmoli :(14:41
kimmolihöh14:42
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WntKabouik: it should be provided by openssh-clients and I think that comes with developer-mode. did you not have developer mode enabled before starting the update?14:44
KabouikYes, I did14:44
Wntwhat does "file /usr/bin/scp" say?14:45
KabouikOk, scp appears when I chroot into /mnt/rootfs, but for some reason, I can't chroot when mmcblk0p28 is mounted with -o subvolid=0... So I can only chroot and have an empty /home14:45
locusfhmm does world of pain await if I didn't update to 1.1.7.28?14:48
KabouikI got internet access in recovery mode using my PC as router, I can ping Google. Is there a command line a could use to try again updating Sailfish, before attempting the .vault backup and factory reset?14:48
xfade_locusf: you need to go through 1.1.7.28 before the update is offered.14:51
locusfxfade_: roger14:51
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KabouikNo command line to attempt SFOS update then? :(14:55
coderusKabouik: mount sys and chroot to rootfs14:55
coderusand try something14:55
KabouikDone it coderus, I'm chrooted, with /proc, /sus and /dev/pts mounted14:56
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KabouikBut /home is still empty for some reason (and if I mount rootfs with -o subvolid=0, then /home is not empty, but I can't chroot)14:56
coderusmount @home to rootfs/home yourself14:57
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coderusbut probably you do not need home to test sailfish upgrade14:57
KabouikYep, it would be for the .vault backup if the sailfish upgrade fails again, you're right14:58
coderusbtw, its better for you to enable persistent journal, reboot, reboot to recovery again and post to us yur log14:58
KabouikSure, but I've no idea how to enable persistent journal14:59
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Kabouikhttps://together.jolla.com/question/4842/how-to-enable-more-detailed-and-persistent-logs-on-jolla-device/ I guess15:00
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coderus+    def unpadV2Plaintext(self, v2plaintext):15:02
coderus+        if len(v2plaintext) < 128:15:02
coderus+            return v2plaintext[2:-1]15:02
coderus+        else: # < 128 * 12815:02
coderusoh15:02
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coderuswhat a clipboard15:02
coderusChange Storage=volatile -->> Storage=persistent (or automatic)15:02
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coderusAlso set SystemMaxUse=50M limit for log15:02
KabouikIt's done coderus, I'm currently reenabling internet access15:05
KabouikDone15:06
coderusrebooted to normal and reproduced boot stuck?15:07
KabouikHum. No. :o15:07
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coderus:D15:08
KabouikIt's rebooting in normal mode. :] I just get a black screen by the way, and don't reach the Pin code page15:08
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Tofecoderus: you already tried the 1.1.9 update? Wondering if the sdcard data-mount still works as well as on 1.1.715:13
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TofeAnyway now that there is no more script modification, I'm more confident with updates15:14
KabouikIs there a specific journalctl command you'd like me to run coderus? The logs seems quite long, I'm dying pressing "More" :p15:15
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coderusTofe: i'm on 1.1.9.x for a long time15:20
coderusno much android side changes, so it works15:20
coderusKabouik: log should be now in /var/log/journal afaik15:21
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Tofecoderus: ok great15:23
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KabouikI have a system.journal in /var/log/journal/8c18df265cf548b49e0dcbbc930bae3c, but nano only shows a bunch of @àầ@à^^-like characters.15:27
coderusyeah you need to read it with journalctl...15:28
coderusnext challenge :D15:28
coderusprobably journalctl -D /var/lib/journal -a15:29
fluxstrings ;)15:29
coderustry if works15:29
fluxnot sure if jolla comes with it, though, probably not..15:29
narchierip jolla mardillon15:30
narchiejolla is over15:30
Kabouik/var/log/journal you mean coderus? It still is extremely long, don't know what part to show you15:31
coderusKabouik: yeah15:32
coderus> journal.txt15:32
coderusand paste to some service15:32
KabouikProblem is I don't know how to transfer files from the Jolla in recovery mode to the PC15:33
coderusnarchie: /quit15:33
coderusKabouik: nc ?15:33
Kabouik?15:33
coderusnetcat15:33
coderusot15:33
TemeVjust print it to screen and copy paste from terminal15:33
coderusyou have internet15:33
coderusyou can curl file to paste directly15:33
KabouikNo TemeV, it's like 1505050003037381 lines long, and requires me to press "-MORE-" to display more, I don't even reach an end15:34
TemeVoh...15:34
TemeVthen scp or what ever15:34
ggabrielthat number is keyboard rage15:34
KabouikIt's very accurate ggabriel!15:35
KabouikThe number. Or the rage.15:35
ggabrielhttps://m.xkcd.com/1530/15:35
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coderuscurl -v --data-urlencode "content@/my/filename" -d "poster=JohnDoe" -d "syntax=text" http://paste.ubuntu.com15:37
coderusshould work15:38
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coderusyeah tested, works15:38
coderusyou know, linux cli is very cool :)15:38
coderusin most of cases you dont ever need to install anything additional :D15:39
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KabouikI know CLI is cool, I enjoy using R at work... But CLI is always better when you know a bit of it15:41
KabouikI don't know much about Linux CLI, just the very basic stuff15:41
coderusme too, but i know google :)15:42
KabouikNow I need to find the URL out of the curl command you advised :o15:42
PeperJohnnyfor everything else theres google :D15:42
coderusKabouik: in Location:15:42
KabouikI've like a trillion tabs opened and did not investigate curl yet, I was with scp :p15:42
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KabouikOk, there was - obviously - something wrong in my command, hence no "Location:" but instead a bunch of html-like code15:48
Kabouik http://paste.ubuntu.com/12321598/15:49
coderusKabouik: and now tell time when you tried to boot :D15:50
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KabouikWell just after I enabled the journal :o15:50
Kabouikthe persistent* journal15:50
KabouikThere's a reboot on line 928 coderus15:51
coderus/usr/bin/lipstick: error while loading shared libraries: libdsme_dbus_if.so.0.2.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory15:51
coderusthis one probably15:51
coderusyour lipstick is not upgraded15:52
Kabouik(I've just found some N900 stuff in the log: Sep 09 17:02:11 Jolla ofonod[744]: Excluding Nokia N900 modem driver) :o15:53
coderusthere is /usr/lib/libdsme_dbus_if.so.0.3.0 in 1.1.9.2815:53
coderuschroot to sailfish15:53
KabouikI think the upgrade failed in the middle coderus, maybe there are other things that are not properly installed?15:53
coderusand zypper in -f lipstick-jolla-home-qt515:53
Kabouikcan I install zypper with pkcon?15:54
Wntyes15:54
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Kabouikbash-3.2# pkcon install zypper15:55
KabouikFailed to contact PackageKit: Could not connect: Connection refused (but if I ping google.com, it works)15:55
coderusfailed to connect to socket15:55
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Wntcan packagekit be started using systemctl?15:56
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coderusKabouik: https://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/releases/1.1.9.28/jolla/armv7hl//non-oss/armv7hl/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.28.7.34-10.101.3.jolla.armv7hl.rpm15:58
coderusinstall with rpm15:58
KabouikI need to transfer it to jolla first :o Here comes a new challenge :o15:59
coderuscurl15:59
KabouikAh, yes, of course15:59
coderuscurl -O https://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/releases/1.1.9.28/jolla/armv7hl/non-oss/armv7hl/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.28.7.34-10.101.3.jolla.armv7hl.rpm15:59
Kabouikhttps://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/releases/1.1.9.28/jolla/armv7hl//non-oss/armv7hl/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.28.7.34-10.101.3.jolla.armv7hl.rpm same error though16:00
Kabouikbash-3.2# pkcon install-local lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.28.7.34-10.101.3.jolla.armv7hl.rpm16:00
KabouikFailed to contact PackageKit: Could not connect: Connection refused16:00
coderusinstall with rpm16:00
KabouikAh, thought you only refered to the file by that16:01
coderus:)16:01
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KabouikI have missing dependencies16:01
coderuswhich ones?16:02
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KabouikSorry, someone knocked on the door coderus16:06
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Kabouikbash-3.2# rpm --install lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.28.7.34-10.101.3.jolla.armv7hl.rpm16:06
Kabouikwarning: lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.28.7.34-10.101.3.jolla.armv7hl.rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID f2633ee0: NOKEY16:06
Kabouikerror: Failed dependencies:16:06
Kabouik        jolla-settings-system >= 0.3.26 is needed by lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.28.7.34-10.101.3.jolla.armv7hl16:06
Kabouik        lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-components = 0.28.7.34-10.101.3.jolla is needed by lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.28.7.34-10.101.3.jolla.armv7hl16:06
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KabouikMaybe we should go in MP not to disturb the channel?16:07
KabouikPM*16:07
coderusokay16:07
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pdanekHey guys,16:14
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pdanekI have signed for early access today.16:14
pdanekTried to reboot my phone and also remove / readd Jolla account.16:14
coderuswait16:14
pdanekYet still not getting SF2 update available.16:14
coderusjust sit and wait16:15
pdanekcheers :)16:15
ggabriel http://i.imgur.com/bdYtW.gif16:15
pdanek:D16:15
ggabrielthat one is quite popular today16:15
haBuuit would be nice if the events page would show next days events after todays have been finished16:16
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pdanekMarc Dillan has talk soon16:17
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SfietKonstantinWpdanek: where ?16:21
SfietKonstantinWthere is also the apple show tonight16:21
cb400fapple show? ... 1.1.9 early access stole the thunder already ;-)16:22
Whipplertime to consider other phones now since the new ui is fed up16:22
ggabrielapple is changing everything. again16:22
ggabrielnow they'll have <drums/> double tap to unlock!16:23
r0kk3rzi liked the last iphone reveal16:23
ggabrielthe same as android, but in a proper apple device!16:23
r0kk3rz"the first iphone was revolutionary, and this is just as revolutionary...............its got a bigger screen!"16:23
ggabrielmind.blown16:23
r0kk3rzthe language they use is hilarious16:23
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Yanielhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx7v815bYUw16:26
Yaniel'nuff said16:26
pdanekSfietKonstantinW:: http://www.eventbrite.com/e/hardwarehel-presents-dawn-of-the-devices-tickets-1836444454816:29
r0kk3rzYaniel: these apple speakers seem to have a low sense of credibility16:30
r0kk3rzsince everything is 'incredible'16:30
pdanek:D:D16:31
Yanielhaha16:31
pdanekIs there a stream to watch?16:31
pdanekoh, starting in 30 min, cool16:32
pdanekhttp://www.apple.com/apple-events/september-2015/16:32
pdaneknow they support Microsoft Edge browser, wowwww16:32
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pdanekHell is freezing.16:33
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r0kk3rzmicrosoft does seem to be bringing their A-Game with Edge16:35
r0kk3rzshame they're destroying everything else...16:36
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r0kk3rzafter their recent shennanigans i think i'll say goodbye to windows 816:37
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Tofe... and another flawless update, all good since dec. 2013 :)16:48
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zebbiz_piTofe: That's good news :)16:50
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r0kk3rztaking an age to download though16:51
Tofer0kk3rz: yes, almost 10min here16:52
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r0kk3rzmines been going since i came home16:52
r0kk3rzso, a good 30min maybe16:53
TMavicaThere is many chinese char bugs in 1.1.916:53
Yanielchinese car bugs?16:54
TofeThe store is just a bit confused, some apps that were to be updated are already up to date; but it doesn't seem to be critical.16:54
TMavicachinese character16:59
TMavicafont16:59
Yanieloh16:59
TofeFor the calendar events, what does it show ? Only today's events ?17:00
coderustoday17:01
TofeThat's a pity17:01
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TMavicaApple really damn crazy..17:20
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Nicd-ooh, apple discovered split screen in iOS917:23
Nicd-lawsuits incoming for jolla in 3... 2... 1... :P17:23
pdanekI thought I heard laser shark17:23
pdanekbut he said laser sharp... damnit17:24
Yanieldefinitely said laser shark text17:24
Yanielbut it's just text17:24
pdanekdid he?17:24
Nicd-pdanek: razor sharp I think17:24
pdanekpff17:25
pdanekand they call that innovation17:25
pdanekhttp://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/usergals/2014/06/full-90342-16369-shark.jpg17:27
pdanekiPad killer17:27
TMavicaipad pro......damn big and heavy, why not i buy a mac air17:28
TMavicait call iboard17:28
YanielMS tried this years ago17:28
Yanielwith the surface... desk17:28
TMavicaconnect a keyboard = surface pro17:29
r0kk3rzi always wanted a surfacedesk17:29
TMavicadamn large smart cover...LOL17:29
Yanielconnec a _smart_ keyboard17:29
r0kk3rzthey looked cool17:29
Yanieland it looks exactly like all tablet keyboards I've ever seen17:30
pdaneksmart connectors, keyboard attached by magnets17:30
pdanekdirkvl should sue them17:30
pdanekoh TMavica here17:30
Nicd-a pen!17:31
Nicd-amazing!17:31
Yaniel Pencil17:32
sjtoik:D17:32
Yanielsuch innovation17:32
Nicd-hehehe17:32
Mikaelathat looks like green apple here17:32
sjtoikwonder if they will introduce an eraser also17:32
Nicd-Yaniel: note: the apple char is not portable17:32
Yanielwhat does it show up as elsewhere?17:32
Mikaelaoh, it probably comes from font-awesome17:32
TMavicai really want laugh17:33
Mikaelasomething random depending on what font it is or whom from, it's unicode private use area if I recall correctly17:33
Yanielsoo... wacom lawsuit when?17:33
TMavicait is surface pro definely17:33
TMavicapencil..17:34
sjtoikthat writing and drawing stuff was something they nerfed in newer models and software had to do some magic guessing work to interpret user inputs17:34
Nicd-this guy calls everything amazing17:34
Yanielof course17:34
TMavicai wonder when have apple condom17:34
Yanielthis is an apple show17:35
YanielTMavica: with social media integrat--17:35
Nicd-tinder integration17:35
pdanekwow17:35
pdaneknow hell must be freezing17:35
pdanekno way17:35
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Nicd-pdanek: ?17:35
Nicd-ohhhhhh17:36
Yanielsomething amazing coming up clearly17:36
Nicd-:D17:36
TMavicai remember SJ ever said pencil is ridiculous17:36
Nicd-microsoft17:36
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Yanielwhat17:36
TMavicacopying mircosoft17:36
Yanielthis is not even copying17:36
Nicd-well, ms office did start its life on a mac17:37
r0kk3rzTMavica: apple are pioneering renewable energy based on the SJ Dynamo17:37
r0kk3rzi think they're close to break even point17:37
TMavicaSJ ever said in 2007: Who wants a stylus?17:37
Nicd-"cannot connect to server" :D17:38
Yanielthat bobbing camera17:38
Yanielso shaky17:38
Nicd-no microsoft demo without demo effect17:39
sjtoikwonder what happens to keynote and other apple equivalent stuff, if they are pushing office17:39
TMavicahttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1iVwIBIN/120124_TECH_StylusApple.jpg17:40
sjtoikspot on17:41
Yanielso now it's again "there's an app for that"17:41
r0kk3rzis apple trying to leverage their 'creative professional' angle17:43
r0kk3rzalthough im not sure how true it is anymore17:43
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Yanielwell, they have been focusing on other things maybe a bit too much recently17:43
Yanielgotta compensate for that17:44
sjtoikdick slip maybe?17:46
pdanekIs gray color somewhat typical for space?17:49
pdanekWhy space gray?17:49
TMavica2x ApplePencil = 1 JollaTablet17:50
pp_keynote etc. went free (and got dumbed down already)17:51
YanielI somehow doubt that 10h battery life17:51
pp_mac office is pretty ok anyway17:52
pp_... except that you get a critical update every two weeks17:52
sjtoikdid they?17:52
sjtoikwell, haven't been using anyway. office updates are annoyanse though. everything is critical.17:53
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r0kk3rzaaaaaaah its all different17:54
r0kk3rzall my muscle memory is wrooong17:54
Yanielthat'll fix itself soon enough17:54
r0kk3rzi know :)17:56
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Yanielyet another iOS fork18:09
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sjtoikany freebsd in there still?18:10
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pdanekwatchOS, tvOS18:10
pdaneksomeone is creative18:10
sjtoikor what ever bsd it was18:10
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Yanieldarvin?18:11
Yaniel*Darwin18:11
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TMavicaI saw two nipples...18:17
pdanek:D18:19
pdanekI see them again now.18:19
pdanekthe red shirt man18:19
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Yaniel"[the remote] can even control the volume"!18:24
Yanielnow that's some groundbreaking engineering18:24
zebbiz_piWOW18:24
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Yanielthe narration of these videos reminds me of portal 218:31
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pdanek3D Touch18:34
pdanekthat's actually cool18:34
pdanekBlackBerry had this years ago, but Apple made it work well.18:34
Yanielpulley menus!18:37
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pp_heh, some sailfishy  concepts there yes18:40
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Yaniellooks like they ported quicklook too18:41
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Yanielmakes me wonder why they didn't do that sooner18:41
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Sail0rhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/COeTbIkWoAAbWGJ.png18:50
Sail0rwe need this18:50
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pdanekSail0r: actually we do18:54
pdanektrue multitasking needs memory18:54
pdanekI tend to run a lot of apps on my Jolla18:54
pdanekand it gets really laggy18:54
Yanielsbj2 with that18:54
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Yanieldoesn't even need a faster cpu (at least not much)18:55
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sjtoikomg, a moving picture!18:57
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pdanekSmart.19:01
pdanekHow they visually hide the high price by showing the installment plan prices and then small text on the bottom (24 month installment plan)19:01
pdanek:D19:01
attahwohoo! all of 40MB ram free after update, that's twice from before :P19:02
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Nicd-attah: free RAM is supposed to be close to 019:05
Nicd-free memory is wasted memory19:05
sjtoikyo siri! show me some porn19:05
attahNicd-: well.. maybe, but it nukes any android app if i happen to load the wrong kind of webpage19:06
attahand the seemingly infinite list of stuff that takes 1-2% surely doesn't help?19:06
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Nicd-attah: depends on what you count as free19:12
Nicd-there should be next to none really free memory. but at the same time there should be plenty of space to allocate new memory (from caches and buffers)19:12
attahNicd-: Well.. as long as oom don't slay the *only* other app i was using i'd be happy as a clam19:13
attahand after such event the total usage is only really changed by what was slain..19:14
attahbut as you pointed out.. i have no idea how it is counting19:15
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pdanekDid Marc already explain why he left?19:34
Stskeepsdoes he have to?19:34
Stskeepssaw him tonight, he did a great talk on the future of mobile with strong passion19:35
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Stskeepsthink he'll do awesome things for a lot of startups in finland19:35
pdanekHe doesn't, but he became an image of the company, sort of.19:35
pdanekSo people expected it.,19:36
pdanekStskeeps: I tried to look for stream, but seems offline talk.,19:36
pdanekIs there a recording from it?19:36
Stskeepsthe company is as much that of the engineers, designers, testers, etc that have pulled each of their area forward as it's that of the shareholders and the founders19:37
Stskeepswe were all on stage in the first slush, don't forget :)19:37
Stskeepsthen some people took care of the image as well, we can't all be along all the time :)19:38
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pdanekhttps://pivotce.com/2015/09/07/luneos-september-stable-release-cafe-de-olla/19:40
pdanekLuneOS makes progress every month.19:40
Stskeepshttp://i.ytimg.com/vi/bdLUJZR078k/maxresdefault.jpg19:41
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pdanekya, got it19:41
lpotterminus a few privateers19:45
Stskeepsyeah, true19:47
Stskeepsbrisbane guys weren't along19:47
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pdanekThe internet seems dead on information about new Intex19:49
pdanekeveryithing became quiet19:49
pdanekis it still a thing?19:49
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HarhaanJohtajafrom Jolla's roadmap:19:49
HarhaanJohtaja.Intex device related adaptation: .Backlight, sensors, thermal limits and RTC19:49
HarhaanJohtaja.Package dhd19:49
HarhaanJohtaja.Audio and resource policies19:49
HarhaanJohtajafrom august19:50
pdanekright19:50
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pdanekhopefully there will be 2G+ memory version19:51
pdaneknot just that copy of Jolla specs19:51
pdanekThanks Harhaan19:53
pdanekI actually travel to India around 8th of November19:55
pdanekfor about week19:55
pdanekbut I guess it's little too early :(19:56
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pdanek2Those intexes should be announced in November or released in November?20:10
pdanek2or, they were announced huh20:11
pdanek2I'm wondering whether I should postpone my vacation by a week20:11
pdanek2to manage to buy it in India20:11
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cb400fthis article says release in november: http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/intex-and-jolla-announce-partnership-first-sailfish-os-20-powered-mobile-still-a-few-months-away-71600820:14
cb400f... of course there are _always_ delays20:14
cb400falso I believe that snapdeal is online purchase only, which might complicate things20:15
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r0kk3rzi think im sending the propertychanged signal a bit too eagerly20:32
r0kk3rzbut lockscreen controls work20:33
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r0kk3rzhmm actually, maybe its a change in qtmultimedia20:37
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r0kk3rzas its happning in my ui as well20:37
prometoyshi, i forgot to disable patchmanager before the update, now i cant remove the calendar lockscreen patch20:37
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r0kk3rzyou can forcibly remove them i think20:38
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r0kk3rznot sure i like this whole statusbar thing though, i kinda got used to it not being there demanding my attention20:39
prometoysr0kk3rz where I need to look for this.20:40
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r0kk3rzprometoys: its command line stuff afaik, i dont use patch manager so i cant remember specifics20:40
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prometoysare the tweets accessible in the event view? I initially saw an event about retweets, but nothing more20:42
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r0kk3rzprometoys: its broken until next release20:43
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prometoysr0kk3rz thanks for the hint. I read it on tjc now, too20:55
r0kk3rzhmm something has changed with qtmultimedia, its not picking up artist names anymore20:56
r0kk3rzsomething to investigate20:57
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pdanekDo you guys the new gestures and navigation?20:57
pdaneklike*20:57
r0kk3rzpdanek: still in shock20:57
r0kk3rzneed at least a day or two20:57
pdanek4-app row is gone21:00
pdanekI've used it!21:00
r0kk3rzyeah that makes it a bit of a pain to you'know, call people n shit21:02
r0kk3rzbut who does that anymore21:02
pdanekI don't like it21:03
r0kk3rzthe whole 'only pop up wihen homescreen is empty' is a little odd as well21:03
r0kk3rzshould always be able to pop up21:03
pdanekmy homescreen is never empty21:04
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r0kk3rzmine is rarely empty21:04
r0kk3rzbut i'm sure they will change more things later21:05
pdanekchanginmg to silent mode doesn't work with one move anymore21:05
pdanekhave to pull the whole shit down21:05
pdanekand then click21:05
pdanekwhat is thisss21:05
Yanielor just hold volume down until the phone vibrates21:05
r0kk3rzyeah im going to have to nuke that somehow21:06
r0kk3rznot quite sure how im going to manage that21:06
r0kk3rzbut we will see21:06
pdanekand that profiles... change my ambience21:06
TominI think that the four first app icons could somehow lock to the bottom of the screen when they are pulled up. Then I wouldn't have to try to reach them at the top of the screen.21:06
pdanekI don't want anyone touch my background21:06
r0kk3rzprofiles = ambiances21:06
r0kk3rzbut i dont need buttons on the side of my phone to mess with my ringtone settings21:07
pdanekah ok21:07
chem|stpdanek: press and hold vol down is the new silent21:07
r0kk3rzif my phones on silent profile thing, newsflash, i want my phone to be silent21:07
Yanielif I got it right there are two silences now, temporary and profile21:08
chem|stambiences are now actions applied only once, settings does change current settings now21:08
pdanekand now21:08
chem|stYaniel: only one21:08
pdanekwhen I hit something in pulley menus21:09
chem|stYaniel: ambiences are oneshots21:09
Yanielokay so ambiences just trigger it21:09
pdanekthe thing blinks twice21:09
pdanekand makes me wait ages21:09
r0kk3rzpdanek: in the release notes is says they're going to speed it up21:09
pdanekgreat21:09
chem|stpdanek: annoying isn't it... accepting a call has that 1500ms wait too21:09
pdanekindeed21:09
r0kk3rzif you're new to the concept, it makes it easier to understand21:10
r0kk3rzbut we've been used to it for months/years21:10
chem|str0kk3rz: speed-up? accepting calls should be instant21:10
pdanekshould yeah21:10
r0kk3rzwell the whole pulley based call screen is retarded21:11
r0kk3rzshould be normal dialog21:11
chem|str0kk3rz: gestures are news to the majority, wait and see... 3.0 will have a bottom bar with 3 buttons!21:11
r0kk3rzthen you can have a nice page transition between the accept call and the in-call screen21:11
r0kk3rzrather than stupid pulley thing then random jarring fullscreen change21:12
pdanekI don't like this.21:14
pdanekit's like KDE3->KDE421:14
pdanekgonna sleep :D21:14
pdanekcheers guys21:14
r0kk3rzgive it time pdanek21:14
pdaneksure I will21:14
chem|str0kk3rz: I did give it time...21:14
r0kk3rzit wasnt perfect before, its not perfect now, but there are some improvements with this one21:14
chem|stsome of the improvements are nice but none of them required to sacrifice cover-action-gesture or launcher-favourites21:16
r0kk3rzthe lack of launcher favourites makes the extra covers possible21:17
r0kk3rzwhich is nice21:17
pdanekbefore in notifications21:18
r0kk3rzbut kinda silly when you have no apps open, or only 221:18
pdanekwhen I clicked on message of android app21:18
pdanekandroid app opened21:18
pdaneknow the message just disappears21:18
pdanekand nothing21:18
r0kk3rzpdanek: well thats obviously a bug21:18
pdanekbig problem21:21
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pdanekmy beloved ambiance with blue ship on wild sea21:21
pdanekis gone21:21
pdanekwhy?21:21
r0kk3rzit wasnt hipster enough21:21
r0kk3rzbut they also nuked user ambiances21:23
r0kk3rzwhich is a little mean21:23
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ursuuh, now, after the update to 1.1.9, the media app doesn't list any .ogg or .flac files anymore21:25
ursonly the single mp3 I have on my phone is visible.21:25
ursIs there a way to rescan the filesystem for media?21:25
urs(they are still visible and playable in the file manager, but show up neither in the media app nor in the ringtone selection)21:26
pdanekI feel raped.21:27
pdanekwaiittt21:28
pdanekapp cover actions are gone?21:28
pdanekwasn't that one of unique reasons why would people even use Sailfish?21:28
pdanekI have barely used it21:28
pdanekbut for few apps, it was really good21:28
ursno they aren't gone.21:29
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pdanekfor Simple Flashlight, doesn't work anymore21:29
ursbrowser still has it's + atleast21:29
pdanekthat + doesn't work for me too21:30
pdanekit always just moves left or right, to notifications menu21:30
r0kk3rzurs: tracker-control -se21:30
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r0kk3rzdrops the db and full scan21:30
Liekethe cover actions are buttons now21:30
ursr0kk3rz: I just tried -r21:31
urslets see what it brings21:31
r0kk3rzoh, lpm still works21:31
pdanekohhhhh21:31
pdaneknot bad21:31
r0kk3rzi thought someone said it was broken21:31
pdanekI like it21:31
pdanekbuttons21:31
ursr0kk3rz: indeed, now it works again21:31
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pdanekbefore it was over complicated even for sailors21:31
ursr0kk3rz: thanks21:31
r0kk3rzpdanek: buttons are bad, bring back the swipy goodness21:32
pdanekI'm getting used to the OS slowly21:33
ursBut still, most ogg files are not selectable as ringtones.21:33
pdanekI just need to get rid of those ambiances menu, as I never really use those21:33
urs(That's been a bug since forever. Reported it long ago, still not fixed)21:33
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r0kk3rzpdanek: you can unstar them in the settings menu21:34
r0kk3rzthen you are left with lock only21:34
ursthat was basically the first thing I did after the upgrade21:35
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ursI still don't understand the idea of ambiences, they are so useless.21:35
pdanekcool21:36
pdanekone more thing, not related to update though21:36
pdanekoften I lose 4G connection and phone switches to 3G21:36
pdanekand it doesn't really switch back to 4G soon, I have to wait ages until phone decides to switch into 4G21:37
YanielI lost one custom ambience but another one remained21:37
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pdanekbut I can force it by limiting phone to 3G and then enabling 4G back --> phone immediately switches to 4G21:37
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pdanekhow to force my phone to go to 4G always when it's available?21:37
r0kk3rzobviously it thinks 4g isnt available21:38
r0kk3rzwhich is why it switches21:38
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pdaneklike now.... my phone is on 3G because I went to toilet... but I'm back in room again and I know I have really good 4G signal here21:38
pdanekinstead the phone stays on poor 3G signal21:38
pdanekbut it thinks wrong21:38
pdanekif I force it to go to 4G now, it would21:38
pdanekand even better signal21:38
Yaniellol my phone drops to barely 2 bar 2G when I go to the toilet21:39
pdanekit switches properly21:39
prometoyshow can i list the packages in a repository?21:39
Yanieltalk about insulated walls21:39
pdanekbut then it doesn't switch back21:39
pdanekthat's the problem21:39
Yanielprometoys: you usually don't want to, maybe pkcon search name <name> is what you are after?21:39
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prometoysYaniel: i want to know, what i installed from openrepos21:40
Yanieluse warehouse?21:40
prometoysbut how I can see installed packages their21:42
prometoysi just see enabled repositories21:42
r0kk3rzin the my apps section?21:42
r0kk3rzmy profile > view full list21:43
r0kk3rzi think that gets everything on the system though21:43
prometoysfull list is a list of all packages, not only the warehouse packages.21:46
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Yanielnice, tapping the homescreen briefly brings up the top row of the app launcher22:02
r0kk3rzYaniel: strangely only when homescreen is empty22:03
Yaniel:/22:03
r0kk3rzwhich limits its usefulness somewhat22:03
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Yanielyeah22:04
r0kk3rzit would be nicer if it was there more permanently, until the room is needed by the cover pages22:05
r0kk3rzwhen you have less than 9 apps open, it can fit like before22:05
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prometoysr0kk3rz thanks for your hint with CLI, i found some info on openrepos and could remove the patch. i was so curios about sf2.0, that i forget disabling the only patch i installed22:08
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tadzikwow23:16
tadzikthat patch for instant pulley menu actions is much, much needed23:16
tiwakehow is sailfishOS 2.0 for you early access peoples?23:22
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tadziknice23:45
tadzikmy mobile network indicator works again23:46
tadzikI'd rather have the 4 icons available without onetapping though23:48
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