#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2015-09-10

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tadzikwtf01:15
tadzikmy favourite ambiance is gone >;o01:15
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tadzikhm, ambiances now have 'add actions' at the very bottom, greyed out. Interesting01:28
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covoxsomeone mentioned flac in the media player got broken in the update, is this true?01:35
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tadzikcan someone still on 1.7 upload the grass ambiance somewhere please?02:09
tadzikit's gone from 1.902:09
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Nicd-hmm03:40
Nicd-is there something with SF 2.0 and list views?03:40
Nicd-or just quickddit?03:40
Nicd-when I scroll down in quickddit, go to another app and then back to quickddit, it has scrolled up03:40
Nicd-makes multitasking totally useless03:40
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Pawkyok... and where does one find the settings menue on Jolla 2.0?05:33
Stskeepssettings icon in app launcher?05:34
Stskeeps:P05:34
Pawkythere is none.... :-/05:35
Pawkyahh... found it...05:35
PawkyStskeeps: that bluetooth tethering app still doesn05:37
Pawkyt work under the new version :'(05:37
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Pawkybut the new 2.0 looks good :-)05:40
Pawkyis there a way to modify that quick access pull down menue like earlier?05:41
pp_ hmn, so ambience actions is only override tones, not say "turn airplane mode on"05:45
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SmarNicd-: there was in known bugs that landscape mode resets scrolling, related to that?05:47
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Nicd-Smar: didn't go to landscape mode05:48
Nicd-just swipe away from app and go back to it05:48
Nicd-didn't reproduce in YTPlayer so it might be app specific05:48
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Smarmhh, worth of investigating though, I’d guess some regression there anyway :)05:58
Nicd-hahaha I found it05:59
Nicd-I was clicking the cover action by accident05:59
Smarit resets it?06:00
Nicd-(I find the new cover actions to be horrible, very easy to do by accident)06:00
Nicd-it refreshes the page06:00
Smarah06:00
Nicd-so scrolls to top06:00
Smarhow it works now?06:00
Smarthe actions, I mean06:00
Nicd-it's a button now06:00
Nicd-takes up the lower section of the cover06:00
Smarah06:00
Nicd-so click anywhere there and it will do the action06:00
Smarit does sound better to me though06:01
Nicd-that is... really bad06:01
Smarmhh, maybe it should be double tap or something instead then?06:01
SmarI didn’t like the slide-things at all :)06:02
Nicd-thing is when you are reaching from the bottom you hit the bottom of the cover easier because it's closer06:02
Nicd-with your thumb06:02
Nicd-I liked the slide covers, they were not easy to trigger by accident06:02
SmarI never used them because they were so hideous :)06:03
Smardouble tap should solve that06:03
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TemeVDouble tap is not good for cover actions, because then there has to be some delay when opening the cover to check if there will be second tap06:32
Pawkythe new version feels snappier, when scrolling menues, a bit like the good old N9 :-)06:34
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Nicd-kind of sad that the calendar sync has the same problem it used to06:40
Nicd-my work google account has many calendars for different rooms (so you can reserve them). jolla's calendar has decided that it will sync one of those rooms calendars and display it to me no matter what06:41
Nicd-when I disable it, it will be re-enabled after a while06:41
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the_mgtagreed with Pawky06:51
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the_mgtthen again, every update to every machine makes it feel snappier, in my experience06:51
the_mgtmight be purely psychological06:51
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PawkyI believe it has to do with the sensitivity when swiping...06:52
Pawkythough a big problem still existing is the phone not really getting when you are at the edge..06:52
the_mgtonly thing I am missing is a way to remove this oldschool OCD infobar at the top of the home screen06:53
pp_some animations do seem laggy :-)06:53
Pawkyas for when swiping, or an even bigger nightmare, when wanting to edit to the left of the leftmost character..06:53
pp_but in general I do like the changes06:53
the_mgtme too06:54
Pawkybut bluetooth tethering must work soon, when the tablet comes... as I presume that will be the only way to keep your battery working all day while sharing your 3g...06:54
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the_mgtPawky: exactly, I was hoping for bt tethering, too06:55
pp_lockscreen having animation is just silly, I wanna see the time NOW06:55
Pawkythe_mgt: it did work before with the app in the store, but since last update it doesn't :-(06:55
the_mgtI missed that app06:56
the_mgtwill install and wait for update06:56
Pawkythe_mgt: install it and try..  maybe its due to me already having it installed or something...06:56
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Whippler_just found out that clear all notifications pulldown is missing too.06:56
the_mgtWhippler_: yeah, that's one of the things i dislike06:57
Whippler_one of the many  :/   can i downgrade without factoryreset?06:58
Pawkyi miss the pull down shortcut menu :-/06:58
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the_mgtPawky: for the three apps? thats still working here06:58
PawkyI do like that little bar on the pull up menue though :-)  looks smart06:59
Whippler_? lockscreen still has pulldown, just not "silence" in thrre06:59
the_mgtand comments in the tethering app hint that it was borked in 1.1.7 already?06:59
pp_ambience pulldown works for silence06:59
the_mgtsilence can be forced on by long pressing the volume down button, if i read correctly06:59
Pawkythe_mgt: well when upgrading from 26 -> 27 it kind of died on me...06:59
Nicd-there is a clear all notifications pulldown07:00
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Nicd-long press on a notification and then pull down07:00
the_mgtthx07:01
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Whipplerthe_mgt: well yeah but thats a button07:01
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Pawkyis anybody having any thoughts of creating an iptables frontend, like droidwall? :-)07:04
Pawkyi am a bit amazed nobody has done it yet...07:04
the_mgtbluetooth thethering gives me "error: not supported"07:05
Pawkythe_mgt: exactly...07:05
Pawkybut it is..07:05
PawkyI put my hopes into the person who's written the app to update it... but no sign of it yet though...07:06
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the_mgtrelax, people have lifes outside of coding foos07:06
PawkyI believe the source code might actually exist on git..07:06
the_mgt*foss07:06
Pawkythat's very true...07:07
Pawkya bit of its akilles heel to be honest...07:08
the_mgtit is worse with payed software, some thing will never get fixed if the company sees no value in it. look at the stagefright desaster07:10
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Pawkyduh... my battery seemt to drain a bit too fast for comfort after the upgrade... :-(07:15
Pawkyopps, there went another %...07:16
Pawkyand I have no apps running on it..07:16
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Pawkynow another 2% :-(07:18
TemeVis this the first battery drain report someone was asking for?07:21
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chriadamanything showing up in top?07:25
chriadamor powertop07:25
chriadamif there's some process which is running in the background at high cpu, let me know.07:25
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Pawkychriadam: After thinking a bit, i went into display and noticed the back lighting being at 100%. I suspect that might be the reason, combined with me checking out the 2.0... :-)07:29
chriadampossibly.  it should go to sleep mode though, after some timeout period, and dim the backlight automatically07:29
chriadambut yeah, if you were swiping etc at the time, then that might contribute07:29
Pawkyit was at 66% after rebooting it, at 9:16. Will check again in a while with it idling...07:29
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chriadamthanks07:30
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PawkyIf someone from support is lurking in here, I haven't had the time to send in my phone for repairing my yellow blob on the screen yet. It's not that easy to just send ones phone off, being left with an old N9 that barely makes it half a day... ;-)07:32
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Pawkywill jolla 2.0 finally support SSDP in Android? :-)07:52
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Pawkychriadam:  -1% after one hour08:16
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coderusssdp what?08:33
pp_some long-lasting problem of multicast packets not working in android or whatnot08:36
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chriadamPawky: that seems reasonable.08:48
Pawkychriadam: yes it does :-)08:49
Pawkycoderus: pp_: precisely08:49
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PawkyI cannot initially see why these packets are filtered for android, as the WIFI driver nicely receives them and all...08:50
pp_"iwpriv wlan0 setMCBCFilter 1"08:51
pp_?08:51
pp_or is that an additional feature :P08:51
PawkyAs I wrote, sailfish gets them.. its android  that doesnt08:51
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Pawkypp_: well, I believe it might be filtered from scratch, but as you wrote you can enable it in the driver :-)08:52
Pawkythis means you can write software for Sailfish that will be able to retrieve SSDP, but if wanting to use Android apps, like Sony's "PlayMemories" for their cameras, you will be out of luck08:53
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coderusssdp worked for me in previous version also08:54
coderusin android apps08:54
Pawkycoderus: uh.. it did???08:54
coderusyeah08:54
Pawkycoderus: like.. what softy?08:54
coderuswebos tv control08:55
coderusit does ssdp scan for pnp devices08:55
PawkyNow, this sounds interesting...08:55
Pawkyhas it always worked, like many generations ago, or quite recently?08:55
Pawkyand... did it work right out of the box?08:56
coderusfirst tried it in u7 or u808:56
coderusso quite ago08:56
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coderusjust installed app from play store and it just worked08:56
Pawkycoderus: ok... that's great news to hear... and you are sure it uses SSDP for it?08:57
tadzikrepost: can someone still on 1.7 upload the grass ambiance somewhere please? it's gone from 1.908:57
TemeVmaybe you can ssu re to 1.1.7, then install it with pkcon and ssu re back to 1.1.9 :)08:58
TemeV(I really don't recommend though)08:58
tadzikI hope to find a friendly hooman that'll spare me this madness :P08:59
tadzikalso, store down?08:59
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coderusPawky: yes09:00
PawkyThis is really great news! :-)09:01
TemeVoh, ambiences are not separte RPMs in the repo09:03
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TofeIs there a reason why there is no pulley menu on the home screen ?09:08
TofeI miss my shortcuts...09:08
tadzikyou mean the new lockscreen?09:11
Tofeno, the home/apps screen09:11
tadzikit never had pulley09:11
tadzikpulling up took you to lockscreen09:11
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Tofewell, ok, it was on the lockscreen, but the lockscreen isn't accessible easily now09:11
tadziktrue enough, you can't go there now without locking and unlocking09:11
tadzikyeah, exactly09:11
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Tofeand it seems like there is no gesture associated to pull down in home screen09:13
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tadzikScrolling running app list comes to mind09:20
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Tofetadzik: this didn't prevent from pulling the app launch from bottom09:27
tadzikTrue09:27
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TofeNo, I think it's just an unused possibility here09:29
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Whipplerdowngrafe to 1.1.7.28 complete, thank god it was possible without a wipr09:31
Whipplerwipe09:31
SfietKonstantinWwho downgrade ?09:31
SfietKonstantinWwhy downgrade*09:31
Whipplerplenty of reasons in the usability of 1.1.9 UI09:32
tadzikGods bless patch authors09:32
ursyeah, it's somewhat rough around the edges.09:32
ursReport all problems, otherwise it'll never get awesome09:32
tadzikAnd they are out already :)09:32
tadzikI still think the goods outweight the bads09:32
Whipplersilent pulldown missing, horizontal unlock swipe is painfull, covers dont arrange by most recent, swipe down to lock missing, clear notifi swipe behind a hold press, missing app dock... only good things to say is events view looked better and android notification were complete.09:35
TemeVI think Sailfish need extensions.gnome.org kind of way for community to provide tweaks09:35
TemeVpatchmanager kind of is that, but it would be nice to have official way09:36
ursOh, this "covers don't arrange by most recent" is *excellent*. That is actually a feature I requested.09:36
ursthe covers now stay sorted in order they were launched.09:36
ursMuch better spatial memory to remember which one is sitting where.09:36
Whippleri know ppl have wated it, but why not keep an option to arrange them by recent09:36
ursOk, indeed, an option would probably be good.09:37
Whipplertbh for me its more usefull to know where the previous app is, whatever it was09:37
Whippleralso why did they remove toggle indicators from settings cover... i liked em a lot09:38
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SfietKonstantinWWhippler: same09:39
SfietKonstantinWit's a shame09:39
SfietKonstantinWTemeV: hooking customizations in a QML UI is not easy09:39
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SfietKonstantinWtrust me, patches is much nicer :)09:39
SfietKonstantinWyes, it can break09:40
SfietKonstantinWyes, backups are needed09:40
SfietKonstantinWno I'm not doing them correctly ...09:40
lainwir3dyeah qml miss flexibility in that area09:40
TemeVSfietKonstantinW: ok, I didn't acutally think how it could be done09:40
SfietKonstantinWhowever, qml is pretty good for patching09:40
TemeV*actually09:40
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jaacoppiso.. can't "settings" be an app that patches files?09:45
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Yanielwhy do people hate the new UX so much10:05
StskeepsYaniel: omg change?10:05
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Yanieluse it for a week or two and then decide if the changes are really that bad10:05
Yanielomg change and a chance to complain about stuff I guess10:06
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minimectadzik: unzip the file to /usr/share/ambience. I extracted the folder from jolla-preload-ambiences-0.1.0.-10.9.1.jolla.noarch.rpm on my Nexus 5... https://www.dropbox.com/s/z9339xs9abih7hm/grassroot.zip?dl=010:06
ggabrielI myself want it to change but not change10:06
ggabrieldoes that make sense?10:06
ggabriellearn from apple, every year it changes everything (again), but nothing changes :P10:07
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Yanieleh10:07
Liekei like the new ui for the most part10:09
Yanielme too10:11
ggabrielI expect I'll like it... it's tweakable enough10:11
ggabrielmaybe I should buy a second phone to try these things10:11
Yanielwe really need per-device early access opt-in10:12
ggabrielreally? can I just ignore it in the "production" device? :P10:12
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tadzikminimec: thank you!10:15
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tadzikWell, I partially understand the hate of changes. For instance, I got really used to swipe to lock, to the point that I killed time on meetings playing with its fadeout animation10:16
tadzikNow it's gone and that makes me sad10:17
ggabrielok, that's a detail10:17
Liekeyes, that is one of the things i don't like with the update10:17
ggabrielI like that too10:17
ggabrielwe have to thank android/ios users for any change on the swipe-from-top gestures10:18
ggabrielin a nutshell, it's google's fault10:18
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tadzikThere are small things that I didn't notice at first, but I love them10:20
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tadzikReordering apps is nice10:24
tadzikAnd I just witnessed the new silent oom killer10:24
Yanielmaster of the silent kill -910:25
kjetilhowow.  just got a look at 1.9  IT'S AWESOME!10:27
kjetilhoso many small things which has annoyed me are fixed!10:27
* kjetilho signs up for EA pronto :)10:27
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Yanieland then there are all the small things that you liked...10:28
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inzI hate the delay caused by activation animation of pulley menu items10:29
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Liekethat's going to be fixed with the next release tho10:29
kjetilhoYaniel: not really10:29
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Yanielheh, the hyc tag on tjc is basically just a collection of "please revert x"10:35
entilthis new ui feels really new :D10:37
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entilmaybe the tutorial should tell me how to clear notifications10:37
inte1.1.98 installed without any hassles for me :-)10:37
intethe phone is a bit mor N9ish now ;)10:37
StskeepsYaniel: hyc?10:38
TemeVhttps://together.jolla.com/question/20626/helsinki-yachting-club-supporter-of-the-jollauiux-design-team/10:38
intedid anyone try patchmanager for the current prerelease?10:38
TemeVsome tag for general ranting about ui10:38
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Yanielwell, the keyboard peek feature request is actually a good idea10:39
tadzikinte: yes10:39
entilI love the n9ishnesh!10:40
tadzikI'm using swipe to lock and faster pulley animations10:40
entilI just don't know how to do some things with it anymore :D10:40
tadzikI feel a lot happier with them :)10:40
tadzikThough I put grassroot back in /usr/share/ambiance and yet settings don't see it10:41
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entilah, it's a hold-tap10:42
entilto open the close buttins10:43
entilbutt..ins? buttons10:43
tadzikFreudian slip? :P10:43
inteso i wouldnt really break the device with pathmanager10:43
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intewell some things are different and im not completly sure why they changed it10:44
intenevermind though10:44
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intewith jolla one, it was different because it was not like the n910:45
intenow its again more like the n910:45
inteand differen again10:45
tadzikOh, .ambience files are different for v210:45
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tadzikThat's why grassroot doesn't work10:45
tadzikI'm not fixing them on on-screen keyboard though10:45
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intehowever, is there a tweek to put the screen on top again?10:46
intei feel it more natural to only have vertical swipes10:46
Yanieltadzik just drop the picture to gallery and make an ambience from it?10:46
inteor only have horizontal swipes10:46
intebut not this kind of around-the-corner swipes10:47
entilis this a regression with the landscape keyboard?10:47
tadzikYaniel: yeah, that's one way to do it. But will autogenereted colors be as good as the originals?10:47
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Yanielyou can always change it via the gui10:48
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minimectadzik: There is som 'translations' folder in the preload-ambiences rpm file. Maybe you need to put the relevant file to your phone too. I send you the whole rpm file... https://www.dropbox.com/s/qf8swqxbs29zfia/jolla-preload-ambiences-0.1.0-10.9.1.jolla.noarch.rpm?dl=010:48
Yanielanyway the algorithm seems to have gotten even beter (or the general usage of theme colours)10:48
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intedamned the maths in alarns tweak doesnt work10:50
intethat will be risky!10:50
tadzikinte: i know right!10:51
tadzikIt's a miracle I got out of bed10:51
Yaniel:D10:51
tadzikI guess the fact that it's broken gave me a massive adrenaline rush10:51
intehehe10:51
Yanieljust put the phone far away enough so you can't reach it directly10:51
intehey there is an update on openrepos!!! :-)10:52
intetadzik: we're lucky :-)10:52
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tadzikI wonder how warehouse managed to keep the old.remorse animation10:52
tadzikWhich it.misuses *so badly*10:52
Yanielcustom component10:53
* inte didnt't realize it has changed yet10:53
Yanieland yes it's horrible10:53
Yanielthis is why you have a HIG10:53
tadzikI'm okay with it10:53
fluxit's the "not responding" with warehouse that annoys me the most :/10:54
tadzikIt's so bloody overused the leas visible it is, the better :P10:54
inteis there a patch to put eventsview back on top of homescreen?10:54
Yanieland there'll always be this kind of people: http://readthefuckinghig.tumblr.com10:54
entilerrh, adding an internet connection to settings' favorites is _still_ broken10:55
tadzikEhh, my attempt at fixing grassroot has failed10:56
tadzikJolla pls :(10:56
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the_mgthm, there are some fancy effects added to the music when you use bt with a car radio10:58
the_mgtkind of adds to the feeling as long as you play psy trance, but might be annoying with more organic kinds of music10:58
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Yanielthe_mgt: hmm? by the jolla or your car radio10:59
entilwonder if this is stuff for tjc as well, the calculator doesn't have a menu pulley11:00
entilanymore11:01
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the_mgtYaniel: it is done by the jolla, read it somewhere on tjc yesterday, iirc. or somewhere else, that somebody has the playing speed doubled11:04
the_mgtit was switching between double and half speed here, with some distorion noise11:04
the_mgtwill add to tjc later11:04
Yanielhuh11:05
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tadzikminimec: it seems like the image is different too; the old ambiance is much taller. I'll try to crop it later on a pc11:14
inteis there a patch to put eventsview back on top of homescreen?11:14
inteor maybe that is only a setting?11:14
inteam i the only one missing that?11:14
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tadzikEvents on homescreen?11:15
intethe event screen11:15
inteis now lift or right11:15
intesideways swipe11:15
inteit used to be top11:15
tadzikYes11:15
minimectadzik: I got it working. Maybe restart the lipstick service after your transactions or reboot the phone. I copied the grassroot folder to /usr/share/ambience and 'ambinece-grassroot_eng_en.qm' to /usr/share/translations. See the rpm file I linked here.11:15
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tadzikOh, I always imagined it on bottom :)11:16
tadzikminimec: oh, I see11:16
tadzikSounds promising, I'll try that later on11:16
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entilargh I had something more for tjc but I forgot :D11:23
ggabrielmaybe it isn't that important :P consult with pillow11:23
entilhehe11:23
entiloh yeah, the horizontal keybaord layout11:24
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ggabrielwhat happened to it? It isn't split by default I read11:26
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ggabrielbut you should be able to change that11:26
ggabrielor get a tohkbd11:26
ggabrielfor which you need a time machine11:26
entilI got a tohkbd but I haven't got the drivers yet that do scandinavian characters11:27
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Liekethere's a setting for split vkbd11:43
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entilit was pointed out to me11:51
entilI can't remember it being a setting way back11:52
entilclosed the question already as well11:52
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rubdosHey Jolla! Congrats with 1.1.9. It's awesome!12:58
Liekehttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/09/pokemon-go-will-finally-let-you-catch-pokemon-in-real-life/13:00
Liekeoh, didn't want to paste that here13:00
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rubdosLieke, thanks. Now Pokémon stole my business concept? (didn't read yet)13:04
rubdosOh, no, they didn't. Thanks for sharing!13:04
Liekehaha, np13:04
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dirkvlhttp://igg.me/at/jollatabletcasing/x/917913113:56
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Tomin"fancy"? I think you mean funky. :D13:58
sjtoikdevice, which needs extra casing, is not strong enough to my taste13:59
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LipevakalaLike carbon...14:09
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LipevakalaMaybe possibe to install my custom14:14
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Lipevakalajack....14:16
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inteis display sneak peak not working anymore in the new release?14:48
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coderusinte: working as always14:51
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intemh14:56
intedo i have to activate it?14:56
inteah14:56
inteno14:56
inteits working :)14:56
intemaybe it was too light when i checked for the first time14:57
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ggabrielhas anybody made a little video with the 1.1.9 EA on the jolla?15:33
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TMavicawhats the changelog of map update?15:36
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tadzikEmpty, as always :P15:47
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ilpianistaTMavica, I suppose it fixes https://together.jolla.com/question/107860/maps-missing-from-jolla-store-does-not-update-with-119/15:52
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xfade_TMavica: rpm -q --changelog sailfish-maps ;)15:55
TMavicathanks15:55
xfade_All changelogs are always available in the rpms15:55
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Liekei just wish you could see them in the store, like with every non-jolla app..15:59
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tadzikYeah16:14
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tadzikHaha, I thoughy there's a new oom handling in 2.0, but that's just Terminal being confused when you ^D in it :D16:16
tadzikI thought “sweet, oom.now keeps app cover up and restarts it when you click it!”16:17
ggabriel1.1.9=2.0 will become very confusing for the layman16:18
ggabriel(on a branched thought)16:18
Stskeepsggabriel: it makes people pay attention :p16:18
ggabrieljust do like apple and add an "s" in the end16:19
ggabrielthat changes everything16:19
taknil„The next OS upgrade will include further improvements to the Sailfish OS user experience, and it will complete the transition to Sailfish OS 2.0. At that point the software version numbering will also jump to 2.0.“ https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-os-2-0-now-available-early-access-users/16:20
ggabrielyes, I read that16:20
ggabrieland I understand that16:20
taknilso there will be one more version before really being 2.016:20
taknilnow it’s „just the 2.0 user experience"16:20
ggabriel2.0 should have even more changes to the UI, albeit minimal in comparison16:21
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inteSo, after most of us playing with the new release since yesterday, I have a question:16:27
intedo you all prefer the notification center now being shifted aside?16:27
inteI still felt it more natural to use vertical scrolling and nothing else16:27
Liekei'm pretty neutral on that16:28
intewell im not really complaining16:28
r0kk3rzyeah dont really care tbh16:28
newinhey all...16:28
inteonly wondering how people think about16:28
intestill confusing me pretty often16:28
coderussoftware version 2.0, really? not 1.2.0.x?16:28
inte?16:29
intecoderus: the current prerelease16:29
inteis it 1.1.9.28 or sth?16:29
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newinis there a few guy like me who don't like the new lock system ? (where you need to swipe from the top then tap)16:29
intenewin: +116:29
tadzikThere's a patch for that, thankfully16:29
intethere is a patch in openrepos to16:30
inteyeah16:30
intebut that doesnt appear to work for me16:30
intethe path16:30
intetadzik: does it work for you?16:30
tadzikUnfortunately the “upcoming events.in calendar cover” one is broken16:30
tadzikinte: yes16:30
intei only wonder how to change ambience after applying the patch16:30
intetadzik: what does this patch do?16:30
tadzikEvent center claims that it shows "upcoming" events, but only from current day16:31
inteoh16:31
inteis it normal that it is possible to change ambience even when the device is locked, or is that a bug?16:31
tadzikinte: if you scroll no further than a configurable treshold (50% by default) it locks16:31
newinand I do not understand why jolla do not use edges for events ... because of this the awesome swipe in the app preview (which was cool because I did not have to aim for the button, just swipe) disappear16:31
intenewin: what awesome swipe?16:32
intewhat preview?16:32
newinin the home screen you can do things like change your music without opening the app16:32
newinit still exist but it's a button16:33
r0kk3rzyou mean cover actions16:33
tadzikYeah, that was way nicer than pressing buttons16:33
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newinI really liked cover action because i did not have to aim any button (the big advantage of swipe...)16:33
tadzikI even preffered those cover actions to staying inside the app and pressing buttons16:33
intewtf!16:35
intethe removed the cover actions???16:35
inteWHY?16:35
tadzikThey did.not16:35
tadzikBut they're buttons.now16:35
inte.oO(now I understand why Marc Dillon left SCNR)16:35
intetadzik: well that sucks16:35
inteits really confusing16:35
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intehow stupid ist hat16:36
intetaht16:36
inteTHAT16:36
intenow you really have to aim for the tiny tiny button instead of moving the entire app tile16:37
inteok, it might allow more than only two actions but its still somewhat stupid16:37
intefurthermore, if you dont aim directly you will open the app16:37
intethat change shoudl really be reverted IMHO16:38
inteis there a petition for that already?16:38
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newininte: i don't know but I want to sign for it16:38
intei could set one up on tjc if there is none16:39
r0kk3rzhah, dont worry theres several16:39
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intebut maybe i just didnt get the idea behind removing the cover actions16:39
haBuu"Active cover actions are now tappable. Swipe gestures are now reserved for view navigation in the homescreen"16:40
newinin addition not using edge for switching between event in home, feel somewhat inconsitent with the swipe to return in home from app for me16:40
haBuuthats the official reason16:40
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inteha16:41
inteok16:41
haBuuyou can now swipe over a cover button and it will take you to events16:41
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haBuuso thats why they were removed16:42
intesince the events screen is now in horizontal directions16:42
intewell, I was complaining about that it in the first place16:42
haBuuwhether its a good thing is a different question16:42
intejust bring back the former order and everything is fine :-)16:42
haBuubut the reason is still valid16:42
intehopefully someone will make a patch for it16:42
haBuui think there already is16:43
newin(btw I complain but the rest is really awesome)16:43
intei understand the reason but i absolutely see now reason in putting the events screen aside now16:43
inteyeah i like it too16:43
intenice design16:43
intebut the cover action thing16:43
inteand the horizontal position of eventsview is somewhat unneccessary16:44
intei want jolla to change that two things back16:44
haBuuthere is patch called PullDown Covers16:44
haBuucheck that out16:45
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coderuswhat if eventsview will be on bottom and app launcher will be in horizontal? :D16:45
haBuui like the new events view and app grid16:46
haBuui would rather have apps in the bottom16:46
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intei simply dont see the point in NOT having eventsview on top and apps at the bottom, as it was before16:57
inteespecially as this unneccessary change implies the loss of cover actions16:58
intei mean, why dont put it as a setting. if people prefer that, they may use it, other can keep the old-fashin style and enjoy true cover actions16:58
intecan somebody explain why the change was made in the first place?16:59
r0kk3rzi believe that more gesture control is coming16:59
intei understand coveractions cant work as before with the new events view16:59
haBuuhttps://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-os-2-0-now-available-early-access-users/16:59
haBuuread the blog16:59
intebut why the new events view at all?16:59
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inteok16:59
intemh16:59
intereading16:59
r0kk3rzi like the new events view16:59
LaxtloI like it too17:00
haBuu+117:00
intei dont mind if its aside or on top17:00
r0kk3rzneeds a bit more improvement, which will come17:00
r0kk3rzmore widgety things and such17:00
intewhat i dont like is that it implies the loss of coveractions17:00
r0kk3rzbut overall its cool17:00
intewhich results that id prefer it on top :)17:00
r0kk3rzyeah loss of cover actions sucks17:00
r0kk3rzbut lockscreen controls are currently making up for it17:00
r0kk3rzso i dont miss it too much17:01
inteare there lockscreen controls?17:01
r0kk3rzfor media players anyway17:01
r0kk3rzwhich was the only thing i would use cover actions for anyway17:01
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jaacoppir0kk3rz: same here17:02
haBuumedia player lock screen buttons are suberb17:02
r0kk3rzyou can even swipe on them17:02
r0kk3rzfor swipy goodness17:03
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jaacoppijust waiting for an api so I can choose which app is in lock screen17:03
r0kk3rzmmm yes that could be an issue17:03
intei dont have lockscreen controls yet17:03
r0kk3rzwith multiple mpris players open17:03
r0kk3rzinte: you need to have mpris enabled app open17:04
intempris?17:04
intewhat is mpris?17:04
jaacoppiI want gpodder there17:04
r0kk3rzso, jolla-media, cutespot, quasarmx, sirensong17:04
intei only have gcompris17:04
r0kk3rzthats not the same17:04
intetried it with jolla media17:04
r0kk3rzmprisv2 is the interface that the lockscreen controls work with17:04
intecurrently trying cute spot17:04
r0kk3rzdbus interfaec17:05
inteso where would i find the controls?17:05
r0kk3rzon the lock screen17:05
intei have cutespot and media open17:05
r0kk3rzie. lock your phone17:05
inteah17:05
intenow they are there17:05
intei had to swipe the lockscreen down17:06
inteand up17:06
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inteand then they appeard17:06
r0kk3rzdown?17:06
inteand now they disappeared17:06
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r0kk3rzup?17:06
r0kk3rzlockscreen goes side to side17:06
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inteah cutespot just crashed17:07
inteok have it on the lockscreen17:08
intebut thats nothing new17:08
inteand apparently only working for one app17:08
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intei configured it for cutespot once which is of cource nice17:08
r0kk3rzit is new, for those who werent using coderus's patch17:08
r0kk3rznow patch is not needed17:09
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inteah ok17:09
intebut still, doesnt work for the jolla media player for me17:09
inteanyways17:09
r0kk3rzweird17:09
intei now happen to understand why eventsview was shifted aside17:09
r0kk3rzim sure jolla tested it with their own player17:09
r0kk3rzworks fine for me17:09
inteits called caroussel now17:10
intewhich again implies that there are more views to come17:10
r0kk3rzinte: yeah like partner screen17:10
inteonly two views is not really a caroussel i'd say :-)17:10
r0kk3rzand its basically the same as both android and ios17:10
inteso hopefully jolla will eventually find some partners17:10
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intethey could ask amazon after amazon just stopped the amazon17:11
kidIt has a N9-feel over it now :)17:11
kidwith the carousessel17:11
intewell, amazon will probably not really like selling stuff without DRM but thats probably their only choice then ;)17:11
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r0kk3rzyeah its interesting really17:12
r0kk3rzamazon basically just failed at trying jollas new strategy17:12
r0kk3rzwhich is mobile integrated with content provider17:12
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intei still think there must be a way to keep up the olf-fashioned cover actions but still have a caroussel?17:18
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intewhy not put the eventsscreen on top and make the caroussel there?17:18
intewhy does it have to be at the same level?17:18
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TofeSo... When can we get a Funky Pencil ? I simply hope the price tag won't be too low.19:32
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Nokiusanyone knows hat size the harbour banner has to be ?19:36
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Nicd-it says it in harbour...19:37
NokiusNicd-: :P sure I shut wanted to fix one which bit ugly I have no harbour account19:38
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Nokius.cache will have it19:38
Nokius:D19:38
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Nokius:-/19:39
Nokiusnope19:39
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kimmoliCover image19:44
kimmoliCover image for your Store page. (540x270px, png or jpg)19:44
TofeNokius: You could put in place a proxy on the Jolla, with a MITM certificate, try to sniff out the image, and fix it on the fly. But somehow, I think it may be a bit too much.19:45
kimmoliNokius: that?19:45
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Nokiusoh sure find5 is not using store so it is empty I should check the Jolla Phone19:45
Nokiussorry19:46
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Nokiusthaks19:46
NokiusTofe: :) sure thats also a way19:46
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r0kk3rzNokius: its not on the harbour faq19:52
r0kk3rz?19:52
r0kk3rzoh, kimmo got you sorted19:52
Nokiusr0kk3rz: did found it19:52
Nokiuskimmoli: life saver :D19:52
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pdanekIs Jolla company still growing?19:55
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Stskeepsdepends, some of us are loosing weight19:57
Stskeeps:P19:57
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r0kk3rzhaha20:00
r0kk3rzfrom what i hear headcount is still growing20:01
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r0kk3rzmaybe a little thinning of ranks in the device dept though20:01
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pdanekDid anyone try to run PAC-MAN256 on Jolla?20:12
pdanekIt always shuts down on startup.20:12
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