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ballockI think my btrfs on Jolla might be roasted. Is there an image I can use to dd to mmcblk0p28?07:19
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fluxif there is, it's not available from jolla, due to the proprietary binaries they apparently cannot distribute in binary form07:20
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ballockaren't they on separate mmcblk0p{1..27} partitions?07:21
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tbrballock: the recovery snapshot is part of the btrfs07:24
tbrwhich makes recovery super fast, but also runs the risk of being busted if the whole btrfs falls apart07:24
ballockyup07:24
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tbrI think someone has a clean btrfs snapshot, compressed to 150M or so07:25
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ballockI guess I could try to recover it the recovery snapshot07:25
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intewas closed in when minimized08:06
inteand after restarting cutespot, saiöirc was closed08:07
intethere is some more rigid memory management in 1.1.9.28, right?08:07
inteonly other app open at the same time was android-whatsapp08:08
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inte_so, is it finally possible to change some settings to stop the phone always ending my apps?08:23
phlixiof course not!08:24
inte_like, when i put sailirc and cutespot in the background cutespot will stop playing music, and after restarting cutespot sailirc will finish08:25
inte_so i will keep rejoining this channel like every ten minutes if you dont mind:)08:25
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inte_is 1.1.9.28 consuming much more memort then 108:26
inte_1.708:26
phlixiare you sure sailirc is closed? Or is it just disconnecting?08:26
phlixii mean, do you start irc again, or does it just reconnect?08:26
inte_the app cover stays on the homescreen but the app is closed08:26
inte_restart08:26
inte_takes a few seconds to come up again08:27
inte_in the previous release, i may have experienced some lag08:27
inte_and in rare cases apps were completly closed08:27
inte_but now it seems that the app is intentionally closed in the background08:28
phlixii always thought the last case (the app is "really closed" => also no more cover) is the out of memory closing08:28
inte_yeah08:28
inte_thats how it was in 1.1.708:28
fluxmaybe the limits have been tuned as in to not make the system feel laggy08:28
inte_now apps appear to be intentionally closed but the covers stays08:29
fluxhow much nicer it would've been to ship with more memory :P08:29
inte_am i the only one experiencing this issue?08:29
phlixibecause i observed that irc lost conection everys few minutes once display is off. however, you can easily fix THAT, but activating wlan AP (connection then just stays up... prevents some sort of sleep...) maybe just test that08:29
inte_like im virtually the only one supporting.pulldowncovers to coverbuttons?08:30
inte_phlixi wlan ap?08:30
fluxinte_, did you look at kernel logs? if it has indeed killed the app?08:30
inte_im connected through.wifi, so...08:30
inte_oeh08:30
inte_let me check08:31
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phlixiinte_: well, that "fix" of course does not work on wlan. but you might want to test that without wlan08:32
inte_mh08:33
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inte_kswapd send signal 9 to harbor-cutespot08:34
inte_so, i need to kill kswapd08:34
inte_i will try08:34
coderusoom?08:35
inte_cant kill kswapd0 :(08:36
inte_coderus seems like but jolla may have altered the threshold08:37
fluxyou just need to run smaller apps.08:37
inte_i dont have any lags anymore, as in previous releases08:37
inte_hahaha08:37
inte_i could of course close android08:37
inte_dalvik stop08:38
fluxinte_, btw, cat /proc/swaps, are your swaps how full?08:38
inte_i'd prefer to change back the threshold08:38
inte_zram partitions are almost full08:39
inte_till about 30% space in mmcblk08:39
inte_so, can i extend zram swap?08:39
inte_i dont know anything.about jollas swap management08:40
inte_btrfs isnt full though08:40
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ShadowJKi think therrs a separate lowmemkiller module08:51
Scelt_how I can clear all the notifications?08:52
Scelt_without opening them one by one08:52
Skorpylong press08:52
stephgthen pulley08:53
Skorpywow... just noticed: the eventsview pulley menu is not visible if you don't long press first. :(08:53
stephgSkorpy: yeah to me that's a regression08:53
Scelt_ugh08:53
Skorpyindeed08:53
stephgI want the pully damnit ;)08:53
stephgstraight away08:53
Scelt_pulley should be visible always08:53
Scelt_that's annoying08:53
Scelt_I looked for pullies but none found08:54
Scelt_Skorpy: thanks08:54
Skorpymight be quite easy to patch (for now)08:54
Scelt_this is the first sfos version I have had to ask for UI tips08:54
Scelt_I'm getting old or sfos is getting worse08:54
Skorpysome parts did get worse08:55
Skorpymostly it feels better though08:55
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stephgI think it's better in nearly all respects, feels faster too08:56
Skorpyyeah. long lists feel much more slick now08:56
Skorpywhich is realy good08:57
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ggabrielScelt_: well, give yourself a chance... you didn't have months of anticipation like you had with 1.0 (and videos on youtube, and marc dillon showing you how to use the phone, etc etc)09:03
fluxinz, you cannot extend zram swap, it's compressed swap made out for you RAM..09:09
fluxinz, but if you have swap available, you can perhaps tune the VM parameters to your liking09:09
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fluxinz, ie. you could try sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=10009:12
fluxwhy am I telling all this to inz? because inte_ is not available!09:13
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the_mgtfull ack wrt long lists, scrolling through my music collection is now usable09:20
the_mgt(I still hate the fact that everything is ordered by artist under title and album)09:21
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fluxI guess it leaves space for apps that just show the directory tree as-is :)09:27
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inzflux, that is why I don't usually use tab-completion in irc ;)09:35
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ballockanybody has an rpm package of nbd-server for jolla?09:48
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ballockor... even better, a binary compiled for busybox?09:49
fluxfor what use?-)09:50
fluxwouldn't a file server (ie. http, samba, nfs) be better for almost all uses..09:50
ballockJolla recovery, I'd export the mmcblk0p28 as an nbd09:50
fluxwell, why not just dump the nbd over ssh? or netcat?09:51
ballockand use the external hosts btrfs snapshot facility09:51
ballocktoo much data09:51
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fluxhow is this solution going to transfer less data?09:51
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ballockThe remote nbd client implements his own btrfs, and can use btrfs send and btrfs receive.09:52
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ballock(the jolla's built-in one can't do that due to bugs)09:52
Skorpyuh... quick peek screen or what ever it is called isn't working for some reason. Backlight does light up but screen stais blank.09:52
Skorpyaaand now it works again09:52
Skorpyunlocked the phone and locked it again and it worked.09:53
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spiiroinreview/testing appreciated: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132410:25
merbotMer bug 1324 in mce "MCE double tap configuration does not work as expected" [Task,Assigned]10:25
spiiroinhttps://github.com/nemomobile/mce/pull/32110:25
spiiroin^ kimmoli ?10:25
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Scelt_ggabriel: true10:40
kimmolispiiroin: can test only after sunset10:40
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Sail0rhttps://thehackernews.com/2015/09/bypass-android-lockscreen.html10:46
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tadzikhahaha10:59
tadzikthat's so common though10:59
tadzikubuntu had exactly the same thing a while ago. Crash the lockscreen, recover to unlocked desktop10:59
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coderusMazeLock patch for SailfishOS v1.1.9.28 waiting to be downloaded from https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-mazelock13:33
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muppeth_coderus: kudos. \o/13:44
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coderusDisable glass avatar patch for SailfishOS v1.1.9.28 is ready: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-disable-glass-avatar13:53
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skillz_Is there an issue with the calendar on 1.1.9?14:24
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tadzikthere's new ones :)14:36
tadzik(you'll have to be more specific)14:36
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skillz_I can't save any events to my personal calendar14:47
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friesehumm... wasn't there once an port of the "send to phone" chrome/fx-addon to use sailfish os as a client?16:27
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frieseon the other hand... i could just build a simple little addon that uses xdg-open via ssh -> won't even need an app on my jolla for that16:31
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friesehumm, https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/external-application-button/ together with a little shellwrapper around ssh and xdg-open works perfectly :)16:40
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pawky|2where does the backup end up in the phone?18:20
Tegu/home/nemo/.vault18:20
Teguiirc18:20
pawky|2nope...18:21
pawky|2i assume its a tgz gz or zip or something , right?18:22
Teguit's the whole folder, I think18:22
pawky|2looks like a .git repo to me... :-/18:22
Teguyea18:23
Teguif you have an sd card, you can export a .tar to it18:23
pawky|2then one should be able to do like... git clone and stuff?18:23
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pawky|2nope.. that didnt work... :-(18:26
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attahping tworaz20:01
tworazattah ponh20:02
tworazpong*20:02
attahnothing provides libevent-2.0.so.5 :(20:02
attahnevermind :P pkcon refresh was kind of missing from what i was doing20:03
tworazIt's in mer-tools20:04
tworazhttp://piratepad.net/sailfish-quicksilver20:04
tworazI completely forgot about that one20:04
attahi had added it.. but apparently i wasn't sync'ed20:04
attahhad to reset the phone a few weeks back20:04
tworazI could probabyly statically link it20:05
pdanekDid Sailfish 2.0 implement some feature to automatically kill apps due to low memory?20:05
pdanekSince the upgrade, my apps are getting killed.20:05
pdanekI prefer swapping and slow system, over my apps being killed.20:05
tworazbut almost half the code in libquicksilver.so.47 are already statically linked 3rd party libs20:05
attahtbh.. this isn't a hassle.. i was just being an idiot :)20:05
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r0kk3rzpdanek: oom-killer has been there for some time now20:06
attahbut mentioning it in the post will get it more users20:06
pdanekr0kk3rz: but why does it exist?20:06
pdanekisn't swapping enough?20:06
tworazattah: well to be honest I'm not really that interested in getting to many users ;)20:06
tworazattah: It's just some people who really wanted to try my work20:07
attah..so don't say anything then ;)20:07
pdanekIf user wants quicker system, they will kill the apps themselves? since all the apps are visible on home screem20:07
tworazattah: I'll be interested in getting more testers once I publish the code20:07
r0kk3rzwe have a compressed in-ram swap, rather than a swap file or partition on emmc20:07
pdaneknot good20:07
pdanekwith 1G phone20:07
attahtworaz: oaky :) so far it does load the page but then goes white20:08
r0kk3rzis good, because of 1g20:08
r0kk3rzif we had 8gb, theres no point compressing anything20:08
r0kk3rzbut oom-killer exists for out of memory conditions20:09
attahkilling all other apps seems to have done the trick20:09
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r0kk3rzyou can argue that there are other ways of handling oom conditions20:09
tworazattah: The white page problem usually happens when the renderer process dies20:09
r0kk3rzbut you're probably better off arguing with stskeeps and not me20:10
tworazattah: There is a notification when this happens but it's not hooked in the UI20:10
attahokay :)20:10
tworazattah: This can happen when there is a bug, or when the process gets killed by OOM20:10
tworazattah: The OOM handling code could use a bit of love20:10
attahtworaz: this time i blame oom20:10
tworazattah: Normally it hooks into mce and starts killing least recently used tabs20:11
attahyup.. also sign me up for a J2 with 4GB of ram ;)20:11
r0kk3rzdidnt they just make a 16gb ram chip20:12
tworazattah: Well the current build could use a bit less mem20:12
tworazattah: Chromium has something called low end device mode20:12
tworazattah: I don't enable it for sailfish currently, and its turned on automatically only when the device has less that 512MB of mem20:12
tworazattah: If you want to try it start quicksilver_shell with --enable-low-end-device-mode20:13
attahtworaz: that's neat :) what does it do.. (that couldn't be done always)20:13
tadzikHeh, I wonder if you can force Opera to enable that20:13
tadzikI wonder who'd know that.... :P20:13
pdanekWell, we all hope for Intex with 3G memory.20:13
pdanekBut it's gonna be 2G20:14
pdanekI multitask a lot!20:14
pdanekand mostly android apps running in the background20:14
r0kk3rztworaz: is this a personal project?20:14
tworazyep20:15
attahtworaz: running right now, i'll try to compare a bit with the stock browser later20:15
tworazstarted it shortly before joining jolla20:15
r0kk3rzah fair enough20:15
r0kk3rzsounds good anyway, keep it up20:16
tworazattah: Please don't treat it as a browser20:16
tworazattah: My only goal to make an engine port20:16
tworazthe shell app is only a test application, there is a reason why it's so ugly ;)20:16
attahtworaz: I'll do two things: post on TJC to say it works.. and when stock browser slays something horribly,  i'll retry with quicksilver20:17
tworaztry vimeo ;)20:17
tworazor youtube20:17
tworazMSE is something we should really support if we want to have good youtube experience20:18
tworazWebGL also seems to perform better20:18
attah.. and html5test is on the list20:19
tworazthe biggest gain in general is site compat20:19
attahcrap.. can't log in to TJC20:19
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tworazWebKit based browsers seem to be used more often by web devs20:20
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attahbeats my desktop browser by a wide margin in html5test20:23
tworazattah: Keep in mind this is bleeding edge chromium code20:24
tworazattah: One of my goals was to make a port that can easily follow upstream releases20:24
attahyep, i realize.. and i expected it to do well.. but it's still on mobile20:24
attahtworaz: i understand there is some hassle doing so for the stock browser..20:25
tworazattah: Well gecko does not have any public APIs that other people can use to make browsers or any other products20:25
tworazattah: Chromium does, it's called content20:25
tworazattah: My port basically keeps this API fully functional and only wraps it to make the engine usable from QML20:26
attahtworaz: so kudos to you.. and i kind of hope it makes it in to every day use one way or another20:26
attah:)20:26
tworazattah: For gecko large part of our resources is spend on implementing such API20:26
tworazattah: This is one of the reasons I also don't like QtWebEngine20:27
attahtworaz: not fun work at all it sounds like20:27
tworazattah: They basically also implement their own public API20:27
tworazattah: My side goal is to also make crosswalk running on sailfish20:28
tworazattah: And crosswalk is a content API based app20:28
* attah duckducks crosswalk and finds stuff about bible studies20:29
tworazattah: Would be funny if we could have full support for Tizen web apps20:29
attahtworaz: nice even20:29
tworazattah: Well it's a rather long term plan, but I believe it's doable20:30
tworazattah: I actually made crosswalk port running on EFL port of chromium when I was running for Samsung20:31
attahtworaz: and exactly the kind of innovation that has potential for sailfish and the likes to make it outside the niche markets20:32
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attahtworaz: heck, i think i'm pretty good at what i do.. but then i hear about you guys :D20:33
tworazWell I do have some browser experience under my belt ;)20:33
tworazIt seems I only miss some trident experience ;P20:34
attahtworaz: that's a good thing, isn't it?20:34
tworazI've worked on Presto, WebKit, Chromium, Gecko20:34
r0kk3rztworaz: that would involve working for microsoft.... yeah dont go there20:34
r0kk3rzalthough 'edge' isnt running trident anymore isnt it?20:35
tworazr0kk3rz: don't plan to, but they can always opensource their engine, who knows20:35
tworazr0kk3rz: it kind of is20:35
r0kk3rztworaz: crazier things have happened20:35
tworazthey did not create completely new engine from scratch20:35
tworazthey just took some version of trident, forked it and removed a lot of legacy crap20:36
attahi put my money on that it's to ugly to be opened up any time soon20:36
attahthe new thingy.. maybe20:36
Yanieltworaz: up next: servo?20:36
r0kk3rzbrowser engines are ugly though20:36
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tworazWell, I don't know what to think about servo20:36
tworazr0kk3rz, I wouldn't say WebKit / Chromium are ugly20:37
tworazthe web is ugly place in general20:37
tworazbut chromium codebase is actually quite nice IMO20:37
attahopening up legacy would show a few security holes i'm certain.. and with people not updating that's be a half-decent botnet20:37
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tworazchromium feels well maintained compared to for example Presto and gecko20:38
tworazthey have strict coding standards so the code is easy to read20:39
tworazyou have to get used to it, but once you do it's IMO easy to follow and understand20:39
tworazthere are a lot of tests and there are strict QA procedures in place20:39
attahi don't quite know what to think of coding standards.. unless i agree with them20:40
attahyes, i'm that guy, adding extra brackets in C8920:40
tworazI have experience with projects which have strict standards and some that dont20:40
tworazI really prefer the first group20:41
tworazOne thing I hated about Presto was that almost each file had its own way of formatting the code20:41
attahI get that.. but with my limited sample size i have one with not-very-strict standards, and the code is still pretty ok.. and one with strict standards and code looks lik shit bc of crap standards20:42
attahNow *that* is just bad20:42
tworazwell there was also a problem that different people preferred different names for the same things20:43
attahnice20:43
tworazso you had like 16 different string implementations20:43
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tworazbecause one group of people preferred the length of the string to be returned by a method called len not length20:44
attahgah, seriously?20:44
tworazor Predecessor/ Successor instead of Previous / Next20:44
tworazor Cardinal instead of Size20:45
tworazimagine you have some container lets say a list and you want to know it's size20:45
tworazand the method you need is called Cardinal20:45
attahI really need to stop complaining about the codebase at work :P20:45
tworazWTF20:45
tworazOpera had a lot of very inteligent people, but most of them had their own preferences in regards to stuff like this20:46
tworazand the code was just plain PITA to work with20:46
tworazso I really prefer chromuim codebase where there is usually only one way of doing things right20:47
attahspeaking of work.. i need to sleep20:47
attahgood talking to you tworaz, and keep up the good work20:47
tworazand they even have custom clang plugins to tell you when you do something wrong20:47
tworazattah: thanks, have a good night20:47
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r0kk3rzcoding standards is always a battle20:48
tworazr0kk3rz: Not saying it isn't, but I believe for big projects it's a must have20:57
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r0kk3rzagreed21:04
r0kk3rzits something im battling for at my current place of work21:04
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pdanekhttp://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/09/yotaphone-3-launched-2016-sailfish-os.html21:49
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tadzikurl says "launched"22:08
tadziktitle says "to be launched"22:08
tadzik>:(22:08
tadzikI'm excited though22:08
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Raimsounds like the same rumor that was denied in July22:22
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coderusyeah nobody know what is the current status of Jolla - Yota cooperation22:48
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