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TemeVKabouik: afaik there is not much the client can do for the offline messages, server has to handle them05:09
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pp_hehe, apk-install VulnChecker.apk (https://github.com/nowsecure/android-vts/blob/master/bin/VulnChecker.apk) an my jolla crashed \:D/07:08
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coderusapkd-install you mean?07:14
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pp_yea, it recovered with power button tho :-)09:24
pp_but got totally stuck in window list screen09:24
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Nokius|mobileStskeeps not around?   =-/10:35
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tuomasjjrasanenJolla is eerily quiet.11:06
tuomasjjrasanenOr am I just deaf?11:06
Scelt_rats are leaving the burning oil rig once again?11:07
tbrlet's hope they are just damn busy with polishin everything for launch11:07
ggabrielwell, we have to pay the vat and all that11:08
ggabrielunless i missed that :P11:09
ggabrielfwiw, the tablet shouldn't go out until sfos 2.0 is ready, which it isn't11:15
ggabrielunless they do a beta release like they did with the phone, but people complain too much in those cases11:15
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pp_yup, guess feedback from 1.1.9 was a bit mixed (and developers might have noticed even more on the tablet)11:17
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urstablet and sfos 2.0: the new chicken and egg11:17
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tbrwell, initial firmware as shipped with device is rarely tru 1.0 material11:20
tbr+e11:20
tbrmost of the time I take devices out of the box and update them to whatever is latest before use11:21
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chriadamwe're busy ;-)11:28
chriadamlots of polish for 2.0.0 and lots of features for upcoming 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 currently being implemented.11:28
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SQUelcherI really like the new UI.. :)11:29
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Laxtlome too11:44
Laxtlosailfishos should been like this from the start11:45
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entilfortunately there are complaints on tjc about not swiping cover actions11:53
entilif covers' swipes can't be captured, maybe the carousel should be an outside swipe ;P11:53
ggabrieli'd start saying goodbye to cover actions until a better time, when users aren't so used to ios/android11:54
entilthat day will not come any sooner by making sfos more androidy11:54
ggabrielyou can do it gradually to capture the masses11:54
entilwell, yeah, have an option in settings for swiping :)11:55
ggabrielandroid/ios copy each other and they copied symbian for that reason11:55
entilgonna type that up on tjc fwiw11:55
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entilwas there a reason why landscape covers are disabled?12:00
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entilhttps://together.jolla.com/question/109778/11928-cover-ordering-plz-restore/12:07
entilhttps://together.jolla.com/question/109777/11928-bring-back-landscaped-covers/12:07
entilvote!12:07
entil:D12:07
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kjetilhooh my.  the shuffling of cover ordering each time I visted an app was SO horrible12:15
ggabrielisn't the order fixed in 1.1.9?12:17
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kimmoliyou can manually move them12:23
kimmolilong press and drag12:23
ggabrielyeah, but manually moving != them being shuffled :P12:23
ggabrielor maybe kjetilho means behaviour in 1.1.7 vs 1.1.912:23
Liekethat's probably why he said *was* horrible ;)12:24
* ggabriel runs 1.1.7...12:24
kjetilhoentil tried to recruit us to vote for the old behaviour :)12:24
ggabrielwell12:24
ggabrielif you use alt+tab12:24
ggabrielyou're used to the behaviour in 1.1.712:24
kjetilhoI don't use Alt-TAB :)12:25
ggabrielanother thing that should be configurable imho12:26
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entil-2 vote points, I think I hate the search feature on tjc12:36
entilor maybe searching with words like cover order is not enough12:37
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coderusmaybe just somebody dislikes your question? :)12:37
entilcoderus: don't think so, there are valid links to duplicates12:38
entilwhich I see as constructive instead of dislikeful12:38
coderusentil: maybe, i didn't checked your links, just guessed12:40
entilhehe12:40
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chem|stentil: there is a question about stopping autoshuffle from 2013 I think...12:41
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entilthis is the problem with opinions, you may have to listen to them, act on them, and then not everyone will be happy12:42
entilworst thing though is to change what's already established without a fallback ;)12:43
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Skorpypfff... lockscreen still doesn't include the actual lock (pin input)12:45
chem|stthe worst thing they did is cover-actions, followed by statusbar12:45
chem|stSkorpy: ?12:45
entilwell yeah, that's also changing established behavior, and I'm sure the case could be made that tapping the actions is objectively worse than swiping, for having to aim more precisely on the action button12:46
Skorpychem|st: you still need to swipe/pull to get to the pin input12:46
entilchem|st: does statusbar mean the one on the top?12:46
chem|stSkorpy: ehrm that is a feature...12:46
TemeVSkorpy: isn't that the same with like every device?12:47
chem|stSkorpy: if you want to get to pin screen right away you can double press powerbutton12:47
chem|stTemeV: android does that iirc12:47
Skorpychem|st: thanks for the tip. but how about an option to go to the pin input with screen douple tap too12:47
chem|stentil: what else is a statusbar?12:47
entilchem|st: I don't see why you don't like it :D12:47
TemeVand N9 and Lumias iirc, I don't know about iPhone12:48
entilI'm ok with it, but removing the top menu was not fun12:48
chem|stSkorpy: don't know if that is implemented in mce, but you can have a look and change it if available12:48
TemeVI think it is with mce12:48
TemeVat least going straight to home if there is no lock12:48
chem|stentil: only visible when peeking was good12:49
chem|stand a huge clock!12:49
entilwith the new way of things I don't know how peeking would be implemented12:49
SkorpyTemeV, chem|st: mce still configurable only from the cli?12:49
entilI miss the top menu, peeking would now mean opening the top menu12:49
chem|stentil: peeking is still there12:49
TemeVSkorpy: yes12:49
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Skorpyok12:49
entilchem|st: o_O12:50
chem|stentil: you are confusing things12:50
entilmaybe12:50
chem|stentil: peeking is to swipe in from left/right and do leave the finger on the screen12:50
entilor, as it used to be, up/down12:51
entilfor this case12:51
chem|stentil: that top swipe opens ambience switcher can be changed in settings btw12:51
chem|streturning to close from top12:51
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entilquick app closing, sure12:51
entilI also miss quick phone locking12:52
TemeVI hope I could change top swipe to always lock the phone12:52
Skorpy^12:52
TemeVFrom an app also, I mean12:52
entilan outside side-swipe could still do the ambiences12:52
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chem|stand peeking now pans out the covers and shows notification icons to the left... this could be enhanced with a lot of stuff, like using the other side to show a bunch of hardware state icons12:53
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entilbut that has implications for possible cover swipes, if covers can't grab the swipe action and the outside swipe is required to flip the carousel12:53
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chem|stentil: that is gone, ambience switcher is now on lock-device gesture and that is actually a good move as you loose one page with it, what they should implement is to double swipe down to lock the phone or that it needs a long swipe to _not_ lock the phone12:54
entillock swipe to not lock is my favorite12:55
chem|st?12:55
chem|stlong swipe to not lock?12:55
TemeVor just implement whole bunch of different gestures and actions that can be mapped to them12:55
entildouble swipe is worse than tap because you have to move the thumb up in both case, but with double swipe you also move it down and the goal is to minimize the gestures12:55
entil"that it needs a long swipe to _not_ lock the phone"12:55
TemeVthen everybody can have what they like12:55
entilso a small top edge swipe will always lock the phone12:56
chem|stTemeV: you could implement both and have a toggle in settings...12:56
entilthat's the minimal gesture <312:56
entildoes temev work for jolla?12:56
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TemeVentil: nope12:56
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TemeVwhy would you think so? :)12:56
entilbecause chem|st said you could implement both, I took it literally12:57
entil:(12:57
TemeVI guess it is a "passive you"12:57
entilyes12:57
entilbut it's real #unlike to have these configuration options, would fit in with the marketing and all :P12:58
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TemeVit would definitely fit in the "you make it yours" thingy12:59
entilso.. was there a tjc question for locking the phone? I'm afraid of looking for duplicates because pretty much everything I post on tjc is a duplicate I couldn't find .D12:59
entilchem|st's short edge swipe is the best solution imo, though I'd be ok with the old behavior, regardless of losing a page :P13:00
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SkorpyTemeV, chem|st: I tried `mcetool --set-doubletap-mode=show-unlock-screen` and `...=unlock` yet it still doesn't go to the pin input with douple screen tap13:01
TemeVSkorpy: try home screen13:02
TemeVshow-home-screen or something like that13:02
Skorpy"invalid doubletap policy value"13:02
kimmoliit doesn go to pin input if devicelock13:02
kimmolidoes NOT13:02
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Skorpycan't even be set to go to pin input?13:03
kimmoli  -M, --set-doubletap-mode=<disabled|show-unlock-screen|unlock>13:03
Skorpyshow-unlock-screen and unlock do the same thing13:04
kimmoliif it is in devicelock (with code)13:04
Scelt_is there an option to disable unlock animation? I'd prefer not to patch13:05
kimmoliunlock goes to homescreen if locking not timed out.13:05
Skorpykimmoli: can I make it go straight to the pin input if locked?13:05
Skorpythat is my question13:05
kimmolinope, afaik13:05
Skorpy... shame13:06
kimmoli      --set-devicelock-in-lockscreen=<READ THE LONG HELP>13:06
kimmolidunno what that does...13:07
Skorpytried it13:07
Skorpydidn't seem to do anything or I missed it13:07
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spiiroinkimmoli: it is a way to brick pre sailfishos2 phones ... and create hiccups on v2 until some devicelock fixes get released13:10
kimmolinoticed hickups :=13:10
spiiroinkimmoli: basically, removing tklock is not to be even attempted if device lock removal needs to happen in tklocked state13:11
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spiirointhe device lock & tklock removal happen the wrong way around atm -> should not be enabled13:12
spiiroin(once things work, it just means there will be less dbus noise)13:12
kimmoliok, i think13:12
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chem|stSkorpy: so answer is "not yet"13:14
Skorpychem|st: seems so13:14
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spiiroinin sfos2 double power key press -> should wake up to show device lock pin query (needs extra dbus ipc that is not - at least yet - selectable for double tap and friends)13:18
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kimmolidouble powerkey-click locks, and ask lockcode works yes13:19
Skorpyyup13:21
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friesehei guys, can anyone recommend some settings-toogle patch that works with eineheminlampi? coderus maybe?13:29
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chem|stfriese: when I ever know which lake is which version...15:31
friesei mean the current early-access version with sfos 2.0 ui15:32
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chem|stfriese: then which toggle?15:33
friesewell the old versions had the quick-toggles from settings app, just on the eventsview instead of having to open settings15:34
chem|stfriese: that is said to be in next upgrade (2.x then) anyway15:34
frieseit is? haven't heard about that, nice :)15:35
chem|stI read in the blog that the next is 2.0 isn't it?15:35
frieseyup, i think so. but i didn't realize that 2.0 would have that feature built-in15:36
chem|stsomewhere was mentioned that it is missing so I expect it coming15:36
friesehumm okay, so maybe i'll have a wait15:37
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friesei had an patch for that in björnträsket from coderus i think, but that doesn't work anymore with the new early-access :(15:38
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chem|stfriese: The next OS upgrade "Pick your favorite settings shortcuts to be shown in Events on the phone"15:40
chem|stin release notes of 1.1.915:40
frieseah okay, nice :) didn't catch that then...15:41
chem|stno idea why but people tend to stop reading in the middle, the fun stuff is always on the bottom!15:41
Yanieldoes anyone even read the changelog before 1. upgrading and 2. complaining15:41
chem|stYaniel: doubt it15:41
frieseusually i do, but somehow that must have slipped past me15:42
YanielI usually read them while waiting for the download to finish15:42
chem|stthe see the topic and turn to their phones, then they turn to tjc again and start writting bugreports as answers into the release notes... stuff that is most probably within "known issues" or so darn obvious...15:42
chem|stI am especially locking fwd to the new settings layout... the current one is so anti-one-hand-usage...15:43
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chem|stthe three folders should be in a pulley and the toggles should be arrangd to be within a thumbs range on the bottom slides above that...15:46
chem|stwell another month and we will see that...15:47
Coolgeekwill wait for the stable release before upgrading, need my phone :p15:47
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chem|stCoolgeek: faik phone functions did always work for me15:51
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Teguno, no, no.. just no, the vibrator died again :( and now there's not warranty anymore :/17:48
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Teguthis has happened earlier as well, and then they just replaced the whole phone part17:51
Teguit lasted under a year in bth cases17:53
Teguargh17:53
kimmoliif you have tools, you can open and clean vibra contacts yourself17:54
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kimmoliunless it is something worse17:54
grneti cant delete manual patches error deleted failed17:55
Teguyea. it woke up after a gentle hit17:55
kimmoliah, it needs some love and spank17:55
Tegubut iirc it stopped after some time earlier17:55
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kimmoliso definetilely smells fretting17:59
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Tegusuper quickly compared to any phone I've had before18:02
kimmolipogos s*ck18:03
Teguand it seems to be somewhat common as well :/ https://together.jolla.com/question/20279/vibration-problem/18:04
TeguI just hoped that this replaced one would nt have the same issue, but nope. it's there18:05
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intehello18:07
Teguhi18:07
inteare there any recent jolla news?18:07
intee.g. cover button discussion, tablet shipment e.g. :)18:08
intejust curious;)18:08
r0kk3rznot today18:08
Teguvreaking news: the vibrator of my jolla phone got stuck. again. and needed smashing18:08
Tegub18:09
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intehu?18:09
Tegubut on other news, nope18:09
inteok18:09
Teguinte: like this https://together.jolla.com/question/20279/vibration-problem/18:09
intesorry for your poor phone...18:10
r0kk3rzim sure some enterprising sort could locate the required qml code and make a patch for the cover actions18:10
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intei like the pulldowncovers from OR18:11
r0kk3rzjaakko himself fought hard to keep the cover actions as they were, but was outnumbered internally18:11
r0kk3rzso i highly doubt they will overturn that decision18:11
inteit only that they dont work 100% yet18:11
intehttps://together.jolla.com/question/109128/feature-request-make-pull-down-covers-official/18:12
r0kk3rzpulldowns is going to be slower and more error prone that just buttons18:12
inteits only not many people seem to follow me on that18:12
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intei dont think so since i always hmtrigger the buttons by accident18:13
inteplus they are limited to one action while pull down allow several18:14
r0kk3rzyeah i had to adjust where i click on covers, but since its been ok18:14
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kimmoliTegu: the design remains the same18:15
muppeth+ on pulldown. Very grateful for the patch.18:15
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intestill needs some improvements18:16
intelike for scrolling down to the apps18:16
inteand also they only get active after having maximized and minimized the apps at least once18:18
muppethinte: nice one. Didnt think about it. In general pulldowns gives more possibilities.18:18
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inteyeah18:19
intehopefully nodevel will look into it further18:19
Tegukimmoli: yea. so it's a design issue instead of a problem of one batch or something18:19
intei guess my thumb is just to thick for the buttons:)18:20
intedesign issue? the vibrator?18:21
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muppethThe whole button idea doesnt seem right anyway. Im not that big cover action user. I installed the pulldown patch to avoid hitting the cover buttons.18:22
Teguor so I guess18:22
r0kk3rzcheap parts in the jolla phone? how dare you spread such scandalous lies Tegu18:22
Tegu:P18:23
intehttps://together.jolla.com/question/107134/solving-the-cover-actions/?answer=107246#post-id-10724618:23
intethat's where to vote up18:23
intemuppeth acutally the browser-reload was the one i used most and that was removed :(18:24
inteHope there will be another patch shortly18:27
intesomeone told me its just qml18:27
muppethinte: i think i voted for it. Even leaving the old action cobers but addind 'press and hold' to trigger them would be nice. i guess already someone mentioned that on tjc (need to update myself on that)18:28
inteso maybe easy to patch18:28
inteyeah, that is discussed in the second thread/link18:29
Teguplease, no holding. I hate holding, it's slow18:34
r0kk3rzhttps://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/commit/5500574936ee6e137a1580b142c94fc4bb3094b6#diff-bf8995d245cf9420dcf00e1b352403afR54018:34
r0kk3rzpatch for browser reload action18:34
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muppethTegu: i wouldnt ming a small tiny 'hold' just enougj to distingiush swipe to other screen from triggering cover action18:36
muppethTegu: also hate waiting (thats why i loaded all the patches removing silly animations)18:36
Tegumuppeth: yea, e.g. browser bottom bar is way too slow18:37
inter0kk3rz cool but i would have to recompile the browser?18:37
r0kk3rzno18:37
r0kk3rzis qml18:38
Tegubut I guess that cover thingy needs some testing18:38
r0kk3rzi dont see why, that is literally the code it used to have18:38
inteso, well, how do i install it?18:40
r0kk3rzah i see, theres a bit more to it18:42
inteis that a file on my phone and i only would have to apply this patch?18:46
grneti cant delete manual patches error deleted failed ?18:47
r0kk3rzinte: you'd want to roll it into patchmanager, which isnt that hard to do18:49
r0kk3rzbut the action is still in the current code... but something is obviously disabling it somewhere18:49
inteoh ok18:50
r0kk3rzi assumed they just removed it... but nope, here it is https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/blob/master/src/pages/BrowserPage.qml#L18118:50
r0kk3rzunless im looking at the wrong branch18:50
r0kk3rzyes, i am18:51
intehehe18:51
r0kk3rzso inserting that bracket from previous link into here > https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/blob/upgrade-1.1.9/src/pages/BrowserPage.qml#L30118:52
r0kk3rzwill do the trick18:52
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inteThx18:58
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intei might look into it at the weekend18:59
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r0kk3rzi guess you can remove the add-tab cover action if you wanted, or just have two19:00
grneti cant delete manual patches error deleted failed ?19:02
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Dreamer2000_why not have two?19:10
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r0kk3rzthe button becomes half as big?19:17
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intei dont have any buttons :)19:23
intedidnt i mention they suck? ;)19:23
r0kk3rzpullythingwhatsits then19:24
inteyeah19:24
intethe pulley works nicely with several actions19:24
intebuttons dont19:25
intethet suck big time :)19:26
intewhy does my email not have cover actions?19:27
intei thought there was a refresh trigger19:27
kimmoliit should have refresh, when you are in inbox/folder19:28
kimmolinot when you have email open in the app19:28
kimmolibut sometimes it loses it also when in inbox19:28
inteah19:28
inteyes its there again after i restarted the app19:29
kimmolihttps://together.jolla.com/question/93964/email-app-not-showing-cover-actions/19:30
intelthx19:31
inteupvoted!19:31
kimmolithe original ticket was rejected by jolla due misunderstanding, but afaik it is still open internally19:32
intejust saw19:32
intestill rejected19:32
intethere is the second coveraction missing for email as well:(19:33
intewhat were they thinking?19:33
inteand, is the entire button catastrphy now discussed internally?19:34
kimmolidunno, i'm not internal19:36
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r0kk3rznot now19:54
r0kk3rzbefore19:54
r0kk3rzlooong time ago19:54
r0kk3rzcatastrophe seems to be a bit of an overstatement though19:57
r0kk3rzmild inconvenience is more accurate19:58
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fennekkithe button inconvenience20:34
fennekkiit seems rather bluh, though I guess I was never too big on cover actions20:34
fennekkimostly because a lot of them seemed silly20:35
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r0kk3rzagreed20:41
r0kk3rzbut i guess it depends on how much you actually use your smartphone20:42
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KabouikI still have issues with apps I paid on the Play store before a factory reset: they're shown like I never paid them, and if I try to buy them again (well I wouldn't actually pay twice, just tried), I get an error, so I couldn't even do that22:15
KabouikAm I the only one? I don't have the apk anymore :/22:16
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chem|stKabouik: how about installing them from browser then go online and start gplay?22:20
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KabouikIt works, thanks! :)22:23
KabouikDidn't know I could do it22:24
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