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Pawkyimport of exchange meetings will give the wrong time   :-(06:44
Pawkya meeting set att 15:00 will be input as 16:0006:44
Pawky(gmt +1)06:44
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TofeTegu: I thought all the certs were now managed through p11-kit... It's a bit disappointing if it's not the case for Android apps07:05
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TeguTofe: yea, I thought 1.1.7 had fixed that now. maybe I did something wrong, dunno07:29
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Pawkyisnt this time thing actually an old bug?07:53
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jarkkotried to install Prey according to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1482424 but "pkcon refresh" returns "Fatal error: File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/features/latest/xt9/armv7hl/?credentials=store'". What does this mean?07:59
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the_mgtso, trusting your geolocation to an us based company that is called "prey"... does not sound smart to me08:17
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jaacoppiit's called prey, not hunter08:19
jarkkothe_mgt: is it much different than trusting Google, Apple or MS on the same subject?08:20
Liekeno, it's not08:20
jarkkoI mean, I see your point, but if I lost my phone, it would be nice to be able to track it down.08:21
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the_mgtI do not trust Google or MS, I trust apple for that matter. for no rational reason, though.08:24
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the_mgtI am glad that american companies are not preying around my phone. but yes, a method for location for my phone would be nice. but I'd rather host it myself08:25
jarkkoditto, but I'm not aware of such alternative, and I'm probably not able to develop one myself. It would be interesting to discuss different technical approaches, but this would be off-topic here, right?08:27
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pp_more #sailfishos or whatnot, pretty much you want a "botnet" client on your phone, talking to infra you own (xmpp or whatnot) and then being able to send signed commands that make it do what you want (volume 200%, vibrate, send gps coordinates)08:42
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StskeepsNokius: ping08:55
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coderuspp_: ?09:10
coderusStskeeps: btw, can you tell if Jolla working on prey client internally? I interested in making full featured native daemon for prey.09:12
Stskeepscoderus: i don't know atm09:12
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coderusokay then :)09:14
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the_mgthttp://lwn.net/Articles/450221/ this mentions prey being opensource09:36
the_mgtseems the client is09:39
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entilI just realized the weirdest thing with the early access update :D I used to have "Silence sounds" in the pull-down menu, and now that there is no pull-down menu, I had no idea how to silence the phone so I just navigated to settings and slapped it into airplane mode :D09:49
jaacoppientil: either use the silence ambience or press the volume down button repeatedly. According to the developer roeadmap the pulldown for silence soudns is coming back soon09:52
entilnice09:55
entilI saw a link for the roadmap but didn't have time to study it09:55
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pp_coderus: suggestion how a #unlike theft tracking thing should work10:20
ggabrielexploding battery?10:21
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jaacoppithe user could use a home server instead of a central server?10:24
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coderuspp_: you can use nodejs prey right now10:27
coderusand i''m planning to write native daemon client10:27
the_mgtpp_: jolla should run its own prey server and the client should use that one? seems the client is FOSS10:29
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locusfis it known that you cant copy text from uneditable text field in stock browser?14:50
ggabrieli think that the community is working on proper select, copy, paste and so on14:53
ggabrielso any copy/paste issue is probably known14:53
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fluxwebpirate can do that!14:56
fluxit's actually quite a refreshing browser. wish it had the option to not hide tabs/bottom bar, though.14:56
ggabrielit uses webkit, sadly14:57
fluxas in webkit doesn't work?14:57
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ggabrielno, i just find it less compatible than mozilla's engine for the portion of the web that i use14:58
ggabrielit's nice to have both options though14:58
ggabrieland then remember which website works best in which browser14:58
ggabrielkeeps my brain alert14:58
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kjetilhowhat does rapidly blinking light blue led mean?15:16
kjetilhomy Jolla is unresponsive15:16
spiiroinkjetilho: if you have enabled "touch input blocking" debug led, it might be that15:17
kjetilhodon't think so.  it ought to respond to power button anyway?15:19
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spiiroinkjetilho: yes, it would just mean touch is not enabled even though display is on (due to  finger/touch detected during display power up - or optionally proximity sensor)15:20
spiiroinkjetilho: or by "blue", do you mean light blue / cyan?15:21
kjetilhoI did say "light blue" :)15:21
* spiiroin reads again...15:21
spiiroindoh15:21
spiiroinkjetilho: in that case, it is "PatternDisplaySuspendFailed" -> if lasts longer than few seconds, could be that display drivers in kernel are whacked and reboot is needed15:23
kjetilhointeresting.  1.1.9 has been really unstable on my phone, but it freezes in many different ways15:24
spiiroinkjetilho: btw, if you can get journal before rebooting, it would be interesting to see it15:25
kjetilhoah.  I was just about to see if I can log on and look at logs, but they are lost after reboot?15:26
spiiroinkjetilho: depends, persistent logs are not enabled by default - so if you've not tinkered with systemd journal settings, they are lost at reboot15:27
kjetilhosounds like I should enable them15:28
spiiroinkjetilho: some info here https://together.jolla.com/question/4842/how-to-enable-more-detailed-and-persistent-logs-on-jolla-device/15:29
kjetilhothanks!15:32
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kjetilhohmm!  messageserver5 is spinning on CPU15:37
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phlixisomething strange happened just a few minutes ago: the phone was on the desk and suddenly it started vibrating without interuption and led blinking yellow. once i took it and doubletapped the screen, i had a notification for one new email - but that might not have been it, because this usually would only just vibrate once shortly... is it possible, that this was a missed call?15:43
phlixialso this morning when i unlocked the phone, it blinked yellow very fast and vibrated, then no notification, just unlocked... I rebooted ...15:45
spiiroinmessageserver5...  If my memory serves correctly, that is email related too15:47
phlixihi spiiroin, in case you where speaking to me, i understand nothing, sorry15:50
spiiroinphlixi: just wondering if two exotic problems (yours and the one kjetilho had) have something in common, i.e. emails15:52
phlixiwell, i am not on 1.1.9 (for now)15:52
phlixiand colors dont match :-)15:52
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kjetilhoI restarted messageserver5, (had to kill -ABRT, systemd ignored it, and TERM was caught and ignored), but after systemctl start it still spins on CPU15:53
kjetilhowill have to debug more later15:53
kjetilhospiiroin: thanks for your input!15:53
spiiroinphlixi: that stuck vibration is something I've never heard of - might be worth reporting at tjc15:54
ggabrielphlixi: i had that in the past, phone is probably too busy15:54
ggabrielkill android or something :P15:54
phlixii did literally nothing with it for the last hours15:55
spiiroinngfd might be better candidate for restarting than android, but you never know ...15:56
ggabrielwhich applications do you have open?15:56
phlixiand have less apps open then usually (remember i rstarted this morning after thestrange "wakeup" of the phone)15:56
ggabrielis it still happening?15:57
ggabrieltbh, I'd worry if it's easily reproducible15:57
ggabrielelse ignore it15:57
phlixisettings app, gpodder (not playing since 4 hours or so) browser, and threema (android app)15:58
ggabrielthe same way you ignore a video when it gets stuck and then it fast forwards to catch up15:58
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ggabrielandroid sucks up a lot of resources fwiw15:58
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phlixiactually to me it does not make sense, that this could be a "load" problem, this is the absolute minimum of apps i have open all the time (Threema, settings, browser and gpodder). And the phone was sitting on the desk doing nothing for hours. also browser and threema are pretty much "unused" and fresh started; it is normal for me to have much more stuff open...16:07
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Hellemeh, more todo list items, make gpodder auto download new podcasts16:41
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phlixiHelle: on the N900 gpodder already did that...17:30
phlixi...even "Only auto download on wlan"17:30
Hellephlixi: the code is there, the UI isn't17:30
r0kk3rzshould be easy then17:30
Helleyep17:31
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nomeataHi. What could be the reason if one android app (k-9) suddenly no longer sees my regular contacts, but rather just the almost empty list of another (threema)17:40
nomeataand more importantly: how do I fix it?17:40
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r0kk3rznomeata: denied contacts in android settings?17:43
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nomeatar0kk3rz: I am just about to upgrade to the latest version: would I still have these settings?17:45
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nomeataalso, k-9 had access to the settings17:45
r0kk3rzdepends what you mean by latest17:46
r0kk3rzthey're in 1.1.717:46
nomeataI’m still on 1.1.6.2717:47
nomeataI guess I can upgrade, maybe that fixes stuff...17:47
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nomeatastrange, even with 1.1.7, I do not have the option to configure some of the android apps, while I can configure others...18:09
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pdanekhttp://www.sammobile.com/2015/09/11/samsungs-tizen-powered-z3-will-launch-in-europe/18:15
pdanekIt might be cheap.18:16
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KabouikAnyone using XMPP on the Jolla here?18:27
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pdanekI'm using Gtalk18:27
pdanekin the integrated messenger18:27
KabouikI've created an account on dukgo.com with Pidgin, added a friend, enabled the account on my Jolla, but still can't find the contact in the Jolla even if she's online18:27
KabouikI have Gtalk working too with my Gmail accounts, but the individual XMPP account does not work. Or I don't know what actually fails, to be honest18:28
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KabouikFor instance, the XMPP account is shown as active in Settings/Accounts, but it is not displayed in Settings/Status (only my Gtalk account is here)18:31
cb400fKabouik: if you open the notifications view (swipe from bottom), then pull down the pulley menu and "view status information", does it say your xmpp account is online?18:31
KabouikOwned!18:31
KabouikI'm running SF2.0 so the status information is not here anymore, but as said above: no, account is not displayed here18:32
cb400fhm, still waiting for the official update here :-)18:32
KabouikBut I had the same issue with an earlier version, I just tried again :p18:33
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KabouikI'm sure I'm doing something wrong18:33
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cb400fdunno.. maybe it's something with the server, I have a jabber account kdetalk.net and I never got it to work, but with a different account on a different server, no probs18:34
KabouikHum18:35
cb400fbut that was a while ago, and I don't use it much on the phone... iirc the account did show up, but I just couldn't get it online18:35
KabouikCan you tell me how you configured it? For instance, did you had the @server.com in the username field, or just in the server address below?18:35
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cb400fseems I remembered wrong... the kdetalk account is the one that works, it was another one that failed... I have cb400f@kdetalk.net in the "description", the server address field I have empty18:37
cb400fand I have port 522218:37
the_mgtiirc, xmpp was a bit harsh about certificates18:38
KabouikYes, I saw a post on TJC about certificates, but I don't quite got whether it applied to my issue18:39
KabouikThanks cb400f18:39
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Kabouikhttps://together.jolla.com/question/4998/xmpp-other-than-google-talk-does-not-work/?answer=5100#post-id-5100 This solved my issue cb400f, or at least I can see my XMPP account in Jolla status now18:59
KabouikNow I don't know if I can get messages when I'm offline (and retrieve them when connecting), or send messages to offline contacts. If anyone know, please highlight me :)19:00
cb400fah, there's also an ignore ssl errors checkbox in the UI19:00
the_mgtwhich never did it for me19:00
cb400foh19:00
the_mgti tried to connect to a openfire server which I had set up myseself19:02
the_mgtsame with a citadel's xmpp flavour. which is badly implemented in the first place. but iirc, that one had a valid cert19:03
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* gexc-phone is moving to US :-/19:09
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gexc-phoneso... get a hotspot? get a nexus 5? or wait for the next jolla while suffering 2G19:10
pdanekMaybe Intex will save you.19:12
gexc-phonehmm...19:12
cb400for at least get the tablet so you can at least enjoy some sailfish goodness ;-)19:14
taaemI'm thinking if Jolla could sell the Intex phone under the Jolla brand in europe since Intex is currently only in India19:15
gexc-phoneif the build quality is good though19:16
taaemgexc-phone: ofc19:16
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gexc-phoneaccording to wiki India is using LTE-TDD and 900/2100 for UMTS, not a good sign it seems19:19
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the_mgtah, build quality... the android sheeple will take any ultrascheap crap, as long as it is promised to be an iphone killer19:21
r0kk3rzgexc-phone: nexus5 is most likely your best choice19:21
gexc-phonemaybe :-/19:21
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r0kk3rzgexc-phone: well you know the story with the jphone, and we havent seen anything else yet19:21
gexc-phonehmm... at least nexus has more ram19:22
gexc-phoneand I'll keep the jolla to run some android crapwares, what a joke lol19:23
the_mgttape an android n5 to the rear of the one running sailfish os. best of both worlds...19:24
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taaemhopefully we hear soon from  the new Jolla devices company19:25
gexc-phoneor make a nexus5-TOH19:25
r0kk3rztheres been zero talk about the north american market, so i doubt thats a focus19:26
gexc-phonehope they are not limited by SoC this time19:27
taaemThat was simply bad luck19:28
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r0kk3rzdont most phones have a north american version and a rest-of-the-world version?19:30
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NokiusStskeeps: pong, sorry I was afk u know earning money :)20:35
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grnethow to delete the junk files ?21:26
coderuswhat? :)21:27
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grnetthe junk files trash files like android and windows21:27
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r0kk3rztheres a few things that accumulate, mostly nothing to worry about21:33
r0kk3rzexcept for thumbnails21:33
grnetall trasfers files where saved?21:34
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grneti go on download and its empty21:34
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coderuswhat application transers?21:56
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KabouikAny update on this? https://together.jolla.com/question/12933/receive-offline-messages-questionidea/ Anyone knows if it works now?22:29
KabouikTalking about XMPP, not Gtalk (which moved from XMPP) or FB22:30
grnetany news about fb chat restore?22:32
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KabouikOk it seems offline messages works with xmpp on the Jolla, I couldn't get them with dukgo.com but it seems to work with xmpp.zone as a server.23:54
KabouikAnd messages are synchronized between Jolla and Pidgin on desktop, which is very good.23:55
KabouikPlus offline messages trigger notifications on the Jolla when they are retrieved after the connection is restored, good too.23:55
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