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MikaelaPopcorn Time for Music, Aurous, coming natively on Sailfish possibly if they manage their main goal at Indiegogo <https://twitter.com/Inaneierase/status/644736501184626688> & <https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aurous-free-music-whenever-wherever#/story>06:12
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CandidCHey hey, is anyone here familiar with writing applications for Jolla?06:34
jaacoppiCandidC: #sailfishos06:35
CandidCdake06:35
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tabasko_anyone else early eccess user noticed that notification bar crashes time to time? :)06:49
tabasko_or what it is called. Thing at screen top which shows battery,clock and signal status etc06:50
Nicd-status bar?06:50
tabasko_Maybe thats what Im looking, trying to see if someboy already whined about it on together.jolla.com06:51
tabasko_https://together.jolla.com/question/109629/status-bar-disappears-from-screen/06:51
tabasko_I'm not alone :)06:52
Laxtloi havent found any problems so far06:54
Laxtlosometimes os can be little laggy if i have like 10 apps running06:55
Laxtloi guess jolla hardware is just too old :)06:55
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r0kk3rz'too old' its crazy how we expect that a dualcore 1.2ghz 1gb ram cant run things07:00
r0kk3rzwasnt that long ago that my best pc wasnt as good as that07:00
birdzhangtabasko_: you are not alone07:02
tabasko_Laxtlo: My windows laptop (i5 2 core 2.6Gzh / 8Gb RAM) is laggy when I have 5 apps open07:03
Nicd-well, iPhones still have only 1 GB of memory and are dual core07:03
Nicd-so the numbers don't matter07:04
tabasko_and iOS probably doesnt still have real multitasking07:08
Nicd-even when running just one app it is much more performant :P07:09
r0kk3rzNicd-: they also likely have an army of engineers to tune the thing07:12
tabasko_https://kurnu.org/index.php/s/5jJhblbSjfJoudB07:15
tabasko_maybe this error has something to do with vanishing status bar07:15
tabasko_tried to run pkcon get-udpates &  pkcon update07:15
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tabasko_its interesting to see how Sailfish performs on tablet with more juice07:22
tabasko_assuming we see them at shops someday07:23
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cos-email notification sound doesn't stay silent on 2.0.. is this a known issue?09:22
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MirvI think I'm past the time of starting a discussion with a Jolla user eating lunch at the same table :D09:46
Mirvit's too common in Finland to know if the person is a hacker or an ordinary guy/gal that'd think it's weird I'm interested in her phone09:47
ggabriellol09:47
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ottuloMirv: several people have mentioned my phone in the last month or two, even though I've been seeing them regularly since about a year ago09:54
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jaacoppicos-: what do you mean stay silent? stay after what?10:15
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cos-jaacoppi: i've switched it off at least twice, and again it plays10:16
ggabrielpresumably you silence the phone and the email notification should be vibrate+blinking green led10:16
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cos-probably related to changing ambiances10:16
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cos-i've changed the email notification sound to "No sound" but after changing ambiances it's back10:17
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cos-i don't know if the setting is global or per ambiance, but either way it doesn't store it10:18
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jaacoppithere's a known issue about ambience only changing those sounds that have specified  actions, but this shouldn't be such a case10:21
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jaacoppifor example, ambience A has "no sound for email", ambience B has "X sound for email" and ambience C doesn't specify anything. Changing from A to B cases email sound to be X. changing from A to C causes email sound to be no sound, since C doesn't specify that it should be changed10:22
jaacoppidifficult to explain10:22
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Nicd-issue? isn't it by design?10:29
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jaacoppiIs it a bug or a feature? Debatable. In any case that might be what's causing the problem, but probably not in this case10:33
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ggabrielwell, in jaacoppi's case, there should be a global definition10:34
ggabrielyou can't just "remember" the last setting if that setting isn't specified in the next ambience10:34
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ursI, for a start, would be happy if they first fixed the bug that prevents a majority of ogg files to be selectable as ring/notification tones10:41
ursHad the phone for almost a year now, still using stock notification sounds, since the ones I built aren't selectable.10:41
Nicd-convert to mp3?10:43
ursThat would be the pragmatic solution.10:44
ursI'm no ta pragmatic solution kind of persion. :)10:44
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minimecurs: Hmm... I just tested that and cannot confirm that. All my ogg files are selectable as ringtone... with 1.1.9.28. Well I only use ogg files. They are encoded 'oggenc -q6' (aoTuV 5.5)10:49
Nicd-I just go for mp3 to maximize compatibility10:49
ursI have a bunch here, also encoded with oggenc. I actually contacted support about it a couple of months ago and they acknowledged the problem.10:50
ursFunny thing is that they are actually playable in the media app without a problem, but simply won't show up in the ringtone selection list.10:50
ursexample: http://urs.nerd2nerd.org/sonic-jingle.ogg10:52
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minimecurs: Ok. I solved your problem... ;) You have to tag the file with Audio tags. Seems obvious... Then it works.. Tested it with your file. It works.11:05
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ursgnah. :)11:08
ursI don't usually tag anything, but just use descriptive filenames.11:09
ursSo *that's* why the majority of my ogg files didn't work11:09
minimecurs: YOur file modified by me... https://www.dropbox.com/s/fbj3yiinbyj0g7u/sonic-jingle-new.ogg?dl=011:09
ursok, great!11:10
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msvb-labWhere's stskeeps?11:57
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ggabrielgone fishing11:59
cos-shouldn't sailors get 2.0 officially out before any free time :-)12:01
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tiwakecos-: lol14:04
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birdzhang_winorg.nemomobile.notifications 1.0 seems not work well at 1.1.9.2816:05
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birdzhang_winonly show the first notification16:06
birdzhang_winpart of my code https://gist.github.com/0312birdzhang/2c65bbe7a9b78e11be1116:06
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kimmoliset replacesId to 0 ? (iirc)16:37
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roanso coderus do the landscape :P16:46
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PaulePanterHi. Lately, I always receive SMS twice. Is that a known problem?17:00
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PaulePanterI am in Germany at O2/Telefonica.17:00
PaulePanterOr there such bugs by telephone companies, which the other mobile manufacturers/OS writers know how to work around?17:00
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Sail0rPaulePanter: also in germany o217:12
Sail0rno problems here17:12
Sail0rwhich os version?17:12
PaulePanterSail0r: The one which came out this month.17:12
Sail0rok same here17:12
PaulePanter1.1.7.28 (Björnträsket)17:12
Sail0rhad no problems with this17:13
Sail0rbut currently on the early sailfishos2.0 release17:13
Sail0rno problems too17:13
PaulePanterWell, I have a lot of problems that I get connections errors with mobile Internet (Verbindungsproblem).17:13
Sail0rhave this only when connecting via eplus17:14
Sail0rbut it helped to change the APN17:14
PaulePanterIn earlier versions (not the last one), I was able to connect in a lot more spaces than now. And I am in a big city so there shouldn’t be any issues with coverage.17:14
PaulePanterSail0r: APN?17:14
Sail0rin the mobile network settings17:14
PaulePanterLast thing, sometimes I am unable to control the phone app and have to swipe it in the background and than hang up on the small window.17:15
Sail0rsettings => system => mobile nettwork17:15
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Sail0rand then edit LOOP17:15
Sail0rand set access point name to internet17:16
PaulePanterAh, I have automatic and could choose between o2-de and o2-de+.17:16
PaulePanterLet’s see if o2-de+ is better, which the + suggests. ;-)17:16
Sail0ryeah I had the problems with o2-de+ when my apn was set to o2internet17:16
Sail0rand not only internet17:16
Sail0ro2-de+ is eplus17:16
PaulePanterSail0r: I have LOOP deactivated.17:16
Sail0ryou can edit it anyway with long tap17:17
PaulePanterLOOP → pinternet.interkom.de17:17
Sail0ryeah17:17
Sail0rset it to internet17:17
Sail0rand not pinternet.interkom.de17:17
Sail0raccess point name is only internet otherwise o2-de+ internet is not working17:18
PaulePanterSail0r: Awesome. I’ll keep an eye on it and report back.17:18
Sail0rhope it helps :) It helped for me17:18
Sail0r*worked17:18
PaulePanterHmm, editing the mobile network settings also activated mobile internet. (At least I didn’t expect that.)17:18
PaulePanterSail0r: We’ll see. Thank you for helping me!17:19
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Sail0ryou are welcome :)17:19
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Sail0rhttp://www.hornoxe.com/wp-content/picdumps/picdump433/picdump433_003.jpg17:22
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intehello17:53
intei somehow locked myself out with mazelock17:53
inteis there any way to switch back to pinentry?17:54
inteah figured out myself17:54
inte:)17:54
v2pxhow?17:55
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gizmo__hi17:56
gizmo__wow, 300+ people in here.. that is a lot more than i expected17:56
gizmo__:)17:56
Teguhi17:57
gizmo__hi Tegu17:57
Teguactually yea, I never really checked how many people here are17:58
gizmo__I expected.. I don't know.. 50 or so17:58
Teguof course most people are quiet (like typically on IRC), but still17:58
gizmo__hehe17:58
gizmo__the more the better I think17:58
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gizmo__esp. since the jolla still exists in a niche part of the mobile phone world17:59
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gizmo__hey, did anyone ever tried mounting directories from the sd card (crypted or not) to /home/nemo/Music e.g.?18:04
gizmo__-tried +try18:04
gizmo__I've noticed that the sailfish musicplayer will ignore that completely while quasarmx e.g. will work as expected18:05
aard_gizmo__: tracker watches the directory as directory, not as mountpoint. if you mount something there it won't get indexed. so, don't18:05
gizmo__basically the whole idea was to have several /home/Nemo users on my sdcard18:06
gizmo__and switch them at will18:06
gizmo__for testing18:06
gizmo__didn't work out :)18:07
aard_it'll break in interesting ways18:07
gizmo__it would be great to seal off a user completely in a crypted sd-card18:07
gizmo__i thinking personal vs. company profile here18:08
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gizmo__i'm18:08
aard_I'm currently working on something like that. unsure if it'll make it to your device, though18:08
gizmo__my main problem with mobile phone at the moment is18:08
gizmo__that i cant secure anything on them really18:09
gizmo__my job requires me to encrypt stuff18:09
gizmo__so i'm bound to laptops18:09
gizmo__i would love to have stuff stored and accessed on my phone18:09
gizmo__with the jolla i came pretty far18:10
aard_one of the next releases will contain opencryptoki, which allows you to store pkcs#11 soft tokens, which already makes things a bit better. I'm also working on supporting crypto modules embedded in sd-cards for use as pkcs#11 tokens18:10
gizmo__but not far enough :)18:11
gizmo__sounds amazing18:11
gizmo__do you have any idea if it will be possible to have multiple users in the future?18:13
gizmo__and maybe even choose their mountpoint for home? :)18:13
aard_yes, I need some basic support for that for the security topic, but again, no idea if it'll get to your device18:13
gizmo__well if it comes to any device i can buy I'll be a happy customer18:14
aard_jolla does not see security as an important topic,  so it'll take a while to get somewhere. also, I'm buying some of the required hardware with my own money18:14
gizmo__i think I'm not alone with this. But I don't know how big that market actually is.18:15
gizmo__fo now I'm happy with storing stuff on an encrypted sd-card18:16
ursto weirdest thing about the jolla ecosystem is that I seem to know about 50% of the people in it. Hi gizmo__. :)18:18
gizmo__urs!!!18:19
gizmo__hahaha18:19
gizmo__amazng18:19
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Tegualso, does anyone happen to know some cellular signal meter for jolla? I know csd but it's quite plain.. something that shows different cell towers, maybe?18:24
TeguI also tried SatSat from F-Droid (android), but it feels somewhat buggy on jolla18:25
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Teguthis seems to have something as well: /run/state/providers/ofono/Cellular/18:45
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coderusTegu: https://github.com/nemomobile/libqofono18:57
Teguhm yea, does the d-bus interface support the same features as that? I should browser ofono dbus stuff more, haven't found other towers and their signals yet19:00
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Tegusatsat shows them somehow, but no signals. and sometimes it doesn't show signal to anything19:01
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gizmo__n8 everyone20:32
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