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tiwakehttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Krita-3.0-Qt5-KF5-Technical06:44
tiwakekrita 3, last I looked it up, would be able to run on wayland06:44
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kimmolitiwake: thanks, found this link http://www.kdab.com/moving-your-ui-code-into-the-future-with-qt-and-c/06:57
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kimmolithrough the krita blog06:57
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distSoooooo. When should I be getting the invitation mail for the tablet? (backed on indiegogo on the same day it was released)08:30
Accewhen our masters so shall mercily decide08:32
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AL13N_workok, so there's an option to get the top-swipe-close-app functionality; but where's the setting to get the top-swipe-lock-device behavior back?08:34
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SfietKonstantinWAL13N_work: top swipe lock is now top swipe + tap lock08:34
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AL13N_workwhen i want to lock my device, i don't want to press a button, which is not easily done blindly08:35
AL13N_workplus i don't want to accidentally switch ambiances08:35
AL13N_worki would like to have the old behavior back for this08:35
AL13N_worka setting is fine08:35
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AL13N_worki don't really like the top-bar either, and the lock screen thing where i have to flick before getting the unlock code screen either, but it's not as annoying as the lock device thing08:36
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SkorpyAL13N_work: there's a patch for it. Hopefully they'll add that patch as the default function as it worked flawlessly in 1.1.908:37
AL13N_worktbh: i thought we wanted to have less "tap" and more swipe, but some of these things make things more android-like which is probably good for new users, but i still want the top-swick-lock back08:37
AL13N_workSkorpy: i'd prefer not to have have stuff from non-harbour08:38
AL13N_workanyway, i would like a setting to restore this old functionality, like the top-swipe-close-app setting08:38
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coderusdon't expect any settings for it08:44
AL13N_work:-(08:45
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AL13N_workif there's no extra setting, then i want the top-swipe-close-app setting to include the top-swick-lock-device too08:46
AL13N_workit makes sense for consistency08:46
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leinirJust call it the "I don't like things changing" option ;)08:49
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coderusi'm still using physical lock button with no any problems08:50
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YanielI just wish said button had better tactile feedback08:51
AL13N_workleinir: well, i don't, but most of the other stuff i didn't mind much and the top-swipe-close-app had a setting to have it back08:52
AL13N_workit's a bit odd though08:52
AL13N_workit's out of character to have a swipe+ tap thing08:52
AL13N_workthe whole thing was to lose less time08:53
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AL13N_workbut extra tap to lock and extra swipe to unlock08:53
AL13N_workplus, the tap to lock is dangerously close to ambience change stuff08:54
AL13N_worki'd even prefer to have the ambience stuff and locking to be handled like pulley menu's08:55
coderushow do you handle 20 ambiences here? :D08:56
AL13N_workrm -rf :-)08:56
AL13N_workj/k :-)08:56
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AL13N_worki'd handle ambiance changes with replacing the cover...08:57
sharpneliGraah08:59
sharpneliMy biggest peeve of Sailfish 2.0: When you wake the phone up it takes almost 2 seconds for the time to be visible08:59
sharpneliBefore it was nigh instant08:59
sharpneliCrappy animations that just become annoying09:00
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Yanielwe should really have the latest changelog in the topic09:12
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ggabrielhi09:34
ggabrielok, before I post, I thought I'd check here first09:34
ggabrielanybody knows of a tjc about the status bar being way too small for peeking and e.g., checking the time?09:34
ggabriel(in 1.1.9 ofc)09:34
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stephgsledges: he's cool, he pinged me when I was in greece as he saw the same compositor problem that I did when I was trying to do the m7 port09:37
stephghe's solved it so when I get that m7 the porting will continue...09:38
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sledgesstephg: he who? ;)09:38
sledgesbut great news man!09:39
stephgbrainfart, I've replied to you here not in #nemomobile09:40
stephg^^sledges09:40
sledgesroger;)09:40
ggabrielwhat a colourfull nickname09:41
sledgesfor those who don't know what we're on about: 12:33 < sledges> IT'S AWESOME! https://twitter.com/AsteroidOS/status/64729953761958297609:41
stephgggabriel haha09:41
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sledgeshey ggabriel , how's things? wanna meetup in london on sunday for fairphone workshop?09:42
ggabrielsledges: things are good, thanks, what time and where?09:42
ggabrieland i'd imagine fairphone running sailfish, else i'll be a hater09:43
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sledgesif it's going to be hackable, then port it ;)09:44
sledgesggabriel: https://www.fairphone.com/2015/09/23/opening-up-fairphone-to-the-community-open-source-fairphone-2/09:44
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ggabrieluhm... can't make it i'm afraid... have something going on in the morning, early pm09:46
ggabrieland that's when things happen :(09:46
stephg:(09:46
stephgshame09:46
ggabrieli hope they're opening it up enough09:47
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ggabrieli read the article a few days ago, and fairphone os == android09:47
Tofesledges: looks good! open (and unlockable) bootloader, access to source and builds, drivers... Everything is there for a successful port :) There'll be a challenge for Android 5.1 driver support, but it should be possible09:47
ggabriela part of me wonders how well it will go down with fairphone if we say "heyyy, sooo, can we put another OS on your device for free?"09:49
ggabrielotoh, fairphone should be interested in alternatives according to themselves...09:49
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gexc-phoneanother MOVEMENT lol09:54
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ggabriellol, i'm having trolling thoughts right now10:00
gexc-phonewonder if the parts are in good supply though10:01
ggabrielthe fairphone isn't new10:01
ggabrielso it's a matter of finding out what happened with the first iteration10:01
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sledgesTofe: if source is given, aosp5.1 is already supported in mer-hybris (not documented yet, but only minor differences from cm)10:01
ggabrielmy ex manager has it, but he's not techie at all, it wouldn't surprise me if he never updated it10:01
sledgesggabriel: we'll see us next time then!:)10:14
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ggabrielsledges: yeah :)10:16
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Shihuahello,today I am so busy.Two bodies call me one time,my jolla's system halted.11:20
Shihuawhy?11:20
Shihuait is a phone the basic function is so bad11:21
Shihuahalted twice. I have to reboot11:22
ggabrielwhich version of sfos are you running?11:22
Shihua1.1.9.2811:22
ggabrielmaybe similar to this? https://together.jolla.com/question/53711/phone-application-freezes/11:23
ggabrielyou may want to consider getting some logs persisted and report in tjc to help with the issue11:23
ggabrielthis was an issue for in in 1.1.6 I think but then it got fixed11:23
Shihuathe basic functions is so bad,first it as a phone.nobody noticed?11:23
ggabrielmaybe you're running a lot of things?11:23
ggabrielShihua: this issue happens on every smartphone that is running too much stuff11:23
ggabrieldon't get fooled - that's the first question you should ask yourself11:24
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Shihuaggabriel: i just open one app11:24
ggabrielwhich application? :) if it's the browser with 10 tabs then you may have a problem11:25
ggabrielin any case, that hasn't happened to me so far11:25
Shihuabasic functions are so rubbish11:26
Shihuaggabriel: just a irc,11:26
ggabrielyup, you may want to debug it11:27
ggabrielif it's easy to reproduce11:27
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ggabrielit could be a number of things, but i'm running the same version and this doesn't happen to me11:27
ggabrielso i'm not sure it's a general issue11:27
ggabrielif you can't spend the time, just reset the device11:27
ggabrielif you happen to have a more serious problem (e.g., broken emmc), then you need to contact care11:28
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ShihuaI am using developers mode,after debug app,i forget close it11:28
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ggabrielyou can write the logs to a file11:28
ggabrielso you don't need to have terminal open11:29
Shihuait is trouble11:29
ggabrielthen reset the device11:29
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Shihuai update11:29
Shihuause terminal11:29
Shihuato 1.1.9.1811:29
Shihuabecause this?11:30
ggabrielif it's trouble to debug, then reset it11:30
ggabrielyes, I can't offer you better advice than that11:30
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ggabrielI mean, you do the same with android/ios - there's no reason why sailfish is an exception11:30
Shihuathanks, it make me headache.11:30
mtdhi -- I've updated to 1.1.9.28 (Eineheminlampi) and now my phone is stuck showing only a origami bird...11:31
mtd...I can ssh in though.  Any pointers about what to search for?11:31
ggabrielmtd: tried rebooting?11:31
mtdggabriel: yes, though only via power button as I haven't been able to ssh in until now.11:31
ggabrieland I assume you tried swiping left/right11:32
ggabrielinstead of up/down11:32
mtdggabriel: yes :)11:32
ggabrielI had to ask11:32
mtdggabriel: I can swipe down to lock, but no other direction helps11:32
stephgif you tap the scren you should get the quick launch icons (phone, browser, camera and something else by default)11:32
Shihuajolla's phone app and message app is also rubbish11:32
mtdstephg: unfortunately not :(11:32
Shihuawhat are they do?11:32
stephgmtd: I wonder if your homescreen has crashed11:33
mtdthe bird is only on the top half of the screen, bottom half is blank (portrait-wise)11:33
Shihuaidi11:33
stephgif you long press you should get the poweroff dialogue11:33
stephgI'd try that11:33
stephgmtd: does it change orientation when you rotate it11:33
stephg?11:33
mtdstephg: nope, doesn't change orientation11:33
stephgI'd restart it then11:33
Shihua...11:34
Shihuaso many problems in1.1.9.1811:34
Shihua2811:34
Shihuai want cell fish11:34
mtdstephg: I have, quite a few times :(11:34
stephgmtd: did it ever work?11:34
Shihuait's salefish11:35
stephg(since updating)11:35
mtdstephg: no, unfort.11:35
Shihuasalefish.11:38
Shihuathanks.I reset it immediately.11:38
stephgmtd: do you have developermode enabled?11:39
stephgsomething sounds broken unfort11:39
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mtdstephg: yes11:40
mtdstephg: I am ssh'ed in and have reset tracker and killed lipstick to see what happens, and the phone is certainly responsive, but it's as if something isn't registering the touches or the home screen has crashed or something.11:40
stephgmtd yes11:43
stephgas root try a systemctl-user restart lipstick11:44
stephgscreen will blank and it should try and start11:44
stephgam curious whether you get any flashing red or green LED11:45
mtdstephg: thanks, I did that as root and got no LED blinks or light at all11:48
mtdjust restarted11:48
mtdhmm, I see this when I try pkcon install lipstick-jolla-home-qt511:49
mtdFatal error: lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.24.68.4-10.83.7.jolla.armv7hl requires lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-components = 0.24.68.4-10.83.7.jolla, but this requirement cannot be provided11:49
mtdI wonder if the upgrade is not finished or something11:49
stephgyeah11:49
stephgssu ur && pkcon refresh && version --dup11:49
stephgneed to check the last one11:49
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mtdstephg: thanks -- I need to set up networking from the command line now :)11:52
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stephgbut your ssh works?11:52
stephgif so, do networking over the USB11:53
stephgmuch much quicker11:53
stephgis your computer linux?11:53
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stephgmtd: https://together.jolla.com/question/58975/network-sharing-from-pc-to-phone-answered/11:56
stephgmtd: actually not that11:56
stephgmtd: well nearly not that11:57
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stephgright lunchtiem bbl12:01
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coderusstephg: systemctl --user restart listick12:23
coderuswith no root12:23
coderusmtd: pkcon refresh before pkcon install something12:24
coderusand try pkcon install lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-components12:24
coderusas it want so12:24
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YanielI spy with my little eye a checkmark on the "research selinux for app permissions" item on the roadmap13:12
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ggabrielare we all going to become selinxu experts now?13:21
tbrthey just researched it, doesn't say they will adopt it13:23
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Yanielyeah13:25
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TemeVWould be interesting to know some results and plans on that matter13:28
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matze_Hi guys. I am the only one having problems with the android whatsapp client since the update to sailfish 2.0?13:47
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intehello14:50
inteblog.jolla.com claims sfos2.0 was out but i dont get any updates?14:51
ggabrielinte: you already have it through EA?14:51
intei have 1.9.2814:51
cb400fthat's 2.014:51
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cb400ffirst (biggest) phase14:52
inteand i dont think it's ready for the public:(14:52
cb400fthe rest of 2.0 is coming in the next update14:52
ggabrielNicd-: ^^ I told you it was going to be very confusing14:52
intethat's ambitious14:52
cb400flooks good to me, except "mute" missing from the lock screen pulley menu14:53
intemanly because of the oom bug14:53
inteand the buttons14:53
inteand oom starts killing your apps as soon as you open the browser...14:53
cb400fnot here14:53
intewell ok, thanks for info14:53
ggabrielit's kind of ok this side14:54
inteyou have dalvik installed?14:54
ggabrielyup, but stopped14:54
cb400fI don't do excessive multitasking, but I can run 3-4 apps fine besides the browser, including a couple of android appz14:54
ggabrielunless I need it14:54
ggabrieli did, however, open a .doc document yesterday and that killed the email application which was pretty much the biggest program open14:55
ggabrielbut that's m$ for you14:55
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TMavicaanyone can use 17 apps in Jolla?15:39
lainwir3dnever tried15:42
TMavicai crashed after login..15:42
TMavicait15:42
tadzikat the same time?15:44
tadzikdid you download more ram or something? :)15:44
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TMavicasure not15:45
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TMavicacan u try?15:45
TMavicahelp test15:45
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ggabrielTMavica: tadzik's point is that they get killed by oom, so you won't have 17 open15:46
ggabrielor you mean try 17 in the home screen, whether open or not?15:46
TMavicai not means i open 17 apps..15:46
TMavica17 is a new android app15:47
ggabrieloh, right15:47
TMavica17 is the name of it15:47
ggabriellol, sorry15:47
ggabrielyou said "apps" first15:47
TMavicait can watch live on girls15:47
ggabrielnot my fault, thakns for clarifying15:47
TMavicaso fun15:47
ggabrielsounds nsfw15:47
TMavicacan you try it? see it crash or not?15:47
ggabrielnot really because i'm at work :)15:48
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TemeVI guess it is not an easy app to find with search15:49
TemeVif it's named just "17"15:49
TemeVjust guessing though15:49
TMavicahttp://apkpure.com/17-your-life-s-moments/com.machipopo.story1715:49
TMavicait is so hot recently in Asia15:50
TemeVI think I'll pass, not really interested in lifes of unknown people15:51
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kimmoliheh15:54
gexcthere might be backdoorz in hot appz, especially apkz, hmm...15:54
ggabrielbut they pay royalties!! ;-)15:54
TMavica................15:55
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ggabrielsfos 2.0 has really nice animations though16:01
ggabrielthe pulley menu one pisses me off a bit16:01
ggabrielbut the rest are quite nice16:01
ggabrieli bet that's why the press loved it :P16:01
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TMavicai know why cant use...need to allow Android apps access contact16:09
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ggabrielTMavica: doesn't that sound suspicious to you?16:12
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gexctoo many android apps want to access contact16:17
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gexclike skype even does not offer a 'cancel' button16:18
gexchad to use the 'back' button though16:18
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mtdstephg, coderus: thanks17:53
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marjait wasn't easy, after the upgrade, to get the screen to unlock the phone... figured it out now, but i'm not against improving it so that you get that screen right away, like used to be18:23
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iotREDammit, phone ran out of battery during btrfs balance.19:49
iotREIs there something I can do before starting the process to have a better chance this time?19:50
iotRE48h wasn't enough last time19:50
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fennekkihmmmm, any ideas as to why eduroam/WPA2 Enterprise connection reports "Incorrect value entered" and fail to connect after Björnträsket?20:13
pp_looked at together.jolla.com for eduroam instructions (gui won't do it, yet)20:13
fennekkiupdating to 1.1.9.28 Eineheminlampi changed nothing20:14
fennekkipp_: no, see, it used to work with the eduroam instructions20:14
fennekkinow doesn't20:14
fennekkidmesg/journalctl show messages suggesting Phase2 auth succeeded yet the connection is apparently never actually formed succesfully20:15
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fennekkiofc could be issue with school wifi specifically but afaict nothing about it has changed recently20:16
fennekkianyway if anyone has ideas ping me20:17
fennekkiI'd like to get it working again20:17
pp_mine breaks but that's due to password expiry :-) (use it with a mac, 4g is just so much less hassle and fast enough so I don't bother with wifi on the jolla)20:18
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fennekkithere's also a slash in my passphrase but iirc it worked with that for a while20:24
fennekkiplus, again, phase2 auth claims to succeed :/20:24
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pp_I would try with a non-jolla and if it works, then try to figure out wtf connman is doing wrong (or maybe conf file needs update for whatever reason)20:25
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Nokiusgood evening20:45
Nokiusshort question is it possible to add translate descriptions to the harbour Jolla has it20:46
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disharmonicFirst impressions, 2.0 is quite the improvement. Congrats21:08
nh1402yh, the new shortcuts (minus swiping from the top at the home screen) are much more intuative imo21:14
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