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Shihua_hello10:54
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Shihua_may jolla halted.10:55
Shihua_my10:55
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Shihua_when two10:57
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Shihua_body call me one time10:58
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Shihua_it's  trouble i reseted10:59
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tadzikMy Silent profile just rang, what the fuck >:(11:02
ggabrielShihua_: i suggest you contact care11:03
ggabrieltadzik: I decided to make a "Silence" ambience and set everything to "No sound" except for the alarm11:03
Shihua_ggabriel: i just one phone who is jolla.do you have any function ?11:04
ggabrielI don't remember if the ootb ambience is exhaustive enough, and ambiences inherit stuff which is counter intuitive11:04
ggabrielShihua_: you seem to have a very specific problem with your device... complaining here won't do any good to you as this is a community irc channel - i suggest again that you contact care if you continue having issues after reset, the same way you would do with any other phone11:05
Shihua_ggabriel: Ok.thanks11:06
tadzikggabriel: so I11:08
tadzikit os known that the silent thing is a lie?11:08
ggabrieltadzik: there are some posts in tjc, and if you check the roadmap there are plans to bring the proper silent mode back in the lock screen11:09
tadzikAnd the crossed out note is absolute bullshit?11:09
ggabrielno clue tbh11:09
ggabrielmaybe a bug too11:09
ggabrieli personally am quite happy to embrance ambiences for this kind of stuff, but i think it needs more options such as system sounds11:10
tadzikI would be happy if it fucking worked11:10
ggabrielthe intuitive way it was before was a bit better, albeit limited to the intuition of whoever designed it :P11:10
tadzikIt was quite embarrassing11:11
ggabrieltadzik: ok, _maybe_ it's pebcak11:11
tadzikIt shows the silenced symbol. The ambiance.has ringing set to.0%11:11
ggabrielif you select the silent ambience and you accidentally press the volumn up button while locked, then it is no longer silent11:12
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tadzikAnd it still ranh11:12
ggabrieli can confirm that it didn't ring yesterday while silent11:12
ggabrielso a) bug; b) pebcak11:12
ggabrielalthough for b) i'd like the ambience to not let me set the volume up11:12
ggabrielmore picnic than pebcak in this case :P11:13
tadzikI do expect Silent to be able to play muy11:13
tadzikMusic when requested11:13
tadzikBut not ring on a phone call11:13
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tadzikIf it does ring on a phonecall it's worthless and lying aboit11:14
tadzikAbout its purpose11:14
tadzikThere's no pebkac here11:14
ggabrielthere is if you accidentally pressed volume up11:14
ggabrielas per design11:14
ggabrielalso, i disagree with your playing music case :) so that should be an option11:14
ggabriele.g., it's ok for sound to go through headphones, but not through loudspeaker11:15
AL13Nman, this swipe+tap for locking is annoying11:15
ggabrielAL13N: i quickly switched to power button :(11:15
tadzikYes, precisely11:15
tadzikThat's what I meant11:15
AL13Nit takes too much time, if you just want to see how much the battery has charged11:15
AL13Nif it just lies on the table, it takes to long to pick it up and find the button11:15
AL13Ni want top-swipe back for locking11:16
ggabrielAL13N: tjc i suggest11:16
AL13Nthere's probably already one, right?11:16
ggabrieli can't say sfos 2 is better for me11:16
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ggabrielbut animations are nicer and it's certainly more ios/android user friendly11:16
ggabrielah well11:17
ggabrieladvanced tweaking options will be welcome11:17
AL13Nthere is some other stuff that i'd like to go back, but nothing as annoying as the lock11:17
ggabrielAL13N: vote then... i don't remember seeing one11:17
ggabrielmy most annoying thing is the status bar when peeking11:17
AL13Nyes, that one is sort of annoying too11:18
AL13Nalso, the wake up is too slow11:18
AL13Nwhen you double-tap11:18
tadzikThe idea that Silent can become Loud by volume button being pressed _without_ unlocking the phone or touching the screen is horrible11:19
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ggabrielAL13N: didn't notice any lag when waking the device up11:20
ggabrieltadzik: agree...11:20
ggabrielthere should be another state11:20
tbrtadzik: I implemented a fix for such behaviour once. It was for FirefoxOS, my only patch in that... I'd need to dig up the bug, because I've done some extensive research on the behaviour.11:20
ggabrielso "No sound" needs you to go to settings11:20
ggabrieland "Muted" can be changed with the rocker11:20
raa700_the fade in of unlock should be faster, now it seems like it's lagging11:20
ggabrielyou can unlock as it's fading in11:21
ggabrielwhich is awesome11:21
raa700_yeah, but the time from doubletap or pwrbutton to actually something happening on screen is too long11:21
ggabrielsame as before from my perspective...11:21
ggabrielofc it depends how busy the device is11:22
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AL13Nraa700_: that's what i mean11:22
AL13Nraa700_: do you have a tjc for me to vote on?11:22
AL13Nggabriel: you too?11:23
ggabrielAL13N: i found the status bar by peeking yesterday and voted11:23
ggabrielin fact, opened one and closed it as duplicate of original11:23
raa700_I think it's also related to brightness, when it's full setting the backlit is clearly seen activating, but in low setting you cant see it11:23
ggabrielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/111392/sfos-20-can-we-have-bigger-clock-during-peek/11:24
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ggabrielraa700_: the only annoying thing of unlocking is the orientation11:25
ggabrielthat does add lag11:25
ggabrielas it does the animation11:25
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AL13Nhttps://together.jolla.com/question/112184/1928-please-reintroduce-top-swipe-for-device-lock/11:29
AL13Nraa700_: if you have a tjc for unlock speed, that would be nice11:30
ggabrielthe pulley menu selection delay is annoying too11:30
ggabrieli couldn't find a tjc for that11:30
AL13Nyes11:30
AL13Ni'll vote for that11:30
ggabrieland they fixed it too11:30
AL13N2 flashes is way too long11:30
ggabrielso it must have been slower11:30
AL13N1 flash is already better11:30
ggabrielit has to be customisable11:31
ggabrieli want to delay11:31
ggabrielat all11:31
AL13Nor that11:31
ggabrielmaybe mce can fix tho11:31
ggabrielmust learn mce11:31
ggabrielwell, research, rather11:31
AL13Nmake tjc please, so i can vote11:31
PeperJohnnyhttps://together.jolla.com/question/106865/delay-when-waking-up-in-sfos-20/11:32
tbrtadzik: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796492 if you want to know how other mobile phones implement such logic11:35
merbotMozilla bug 796492 in Gaia::System "Volume can be changed while phone screen is off." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]11:35
tbrspecifically: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796492#c1111:36
PeperJohnnyIf you read the changelog of 1.1.9.28 they already stated that "Enhance the speed of pulley menu selection animation" will be in the next update11:36
ggabrielPeperJohnny: I read that, but it confused me becuase of the [cbeta] tag11:37
PeperJohnnyggabriel: there's no cbeta tag on tjc for it, strange..11:37
ggabrieli meant in the rel notes11:38
ggabrielso *shrug*11:38
ggabrielerm, in the roadmap, rather11:38
ggabrieloh, wait, the rel note do mention that the animation was enhanced11:38
ggabriellol11:38
ggabrielit's too confusing11:38
PeperJohnnyyupp11:39
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tadziktbr: thanks, appreciated12:10
tbrnp, yw12:17
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tbrtadzik: if this is about audio volume adjustment and stuff, then you might want to poke jusa_ and show him those URLs together with your point of view. ;)12:17
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greenithi, i have a problem with my jolla since the latest update: i have whatsapp installed and android notifier, but since the update it ignores my settings at android notifier and whatsapp, where i have set it to silent, and plays the "chat" music... can i regain the ability to mute whatsapp anyhow?16:15
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Pepergreenit: IIRC android notifier doesn't work with 1.1.9.28 anymore and Jolla has now it own notification system16:19
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greenitPeper, ok, but how can i mute whatsapp? i want the chat-notification for telegram, but not for whatsapp16:38
greenitPeper, or is this not possible anymore?16:38
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LipevakalaMute discusion sounds from WA settings?16:42
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Pepergreenit: Well I see no option at all sorry16:58
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greenitLipevakala, i tried it, doesn't work sadly17:09
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Lipevakalagreenit: settings, notifications silent sound?17:11
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greeniti tried it for group-notification, but it still played a sound... probably i should completely deactivate it....17:15
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greenitwell, doesn't work lipevakala17:24
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Raimuhm, unlocking works with a left/right swipe, but for the apps it needs to be a swipe from the bottom screen edge. very unintuitive.17:30
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Raimespecially as in the home screen swiping up for apps also works everywhere on the display...17:31
Lipevakalagreenit: Ok, i hope some update from WA or Jolla helps..17:32
greenitwell, i have two other questions too: 1.) is it possible to change the background of an ambiente style, or do i have to create a new ambiente? 2.) i also use situations to mute my phone during the night, but it uses "profiles" and the profile "silent" doesn't mute the system-notifications anymore... can i somehow tell it to completely mute the phone, including the system-notifications?17:37
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grnetlong press down volume key?17:48
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greenitgrnet, will this mute the system sounds too?18:00
grneti didt test it try it18:02
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greenitdo i have to create a new ambiente if i want another background?18:27
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tango_hm 2.0 seems to be much less power hungry18:39
tango_I like that18:39
tango_I do hate the extreme lag before being able to interact with the lockscreen though18:39
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stephgjust factory reset my firstone and goodness how have things changed :D19:10
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stephg1.0.0.5 → 1.0.2.5 happy days :D :D19:11
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AL13Nhttps://together.jolla.com/question/107042/sailfish-os-20-bring-back-screenlock-when-swiping-from-top-at-homescreen-or-at-least-optional/19:43
AL13Nplease vote up19:43
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Armadill0done19:51
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AL13N:)20:04
locusfbring back20:07
locusfbring back20:07
locusfbring back my bonnie to me, to me20:07
stephghaha20:10
marjaAL13N: I'm amazed you don't have a problem with having to tap and then swipe 2x to get the unlock screen.... or do you get it right away?20:12
marjalocusf: I had almost forgotten about that song.... my granddad used to tell me that I was singing "bunnie" instead of "bonnie" (I really think I sung "bonnie"20:13
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locusfmarja: yeah, I also was just reminded of that :) though I remembered how it was sung in the elementary school20:17
marjalocusf: :-)20:17
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marjabtw, forgot to say that in my eyes the upgrade brought more good than less good... I wouldn't want to downgrade ;-)20:23
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locusfyeah well things change, some like it, others don't20:29
locusfbowing to everyone is only gonna make all tongues brown and bad tasting mouths20:30
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marjalocusf: indeed :-)20:37
locusftheres one set of tats I'd like to have, stars of Vor20:41
locusfbut if a real Vor would see them, he'd cut them off of me20:43
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marjalol20:44
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marja(not that I know what a Vor is, other than VHF Omni-directional Radio Range :-þ .... googling for it doesn't help)20:49
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locusfhuh20:51
marjalocusf: btw, how much off-topicness is allowed in this channel?20:51
locusfhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_in_law20:51
locusfmarja: thats true :)20:52
locusfthis is highly offtopic20:52
locusfnote: I dont wanna be a thief or murderer20:52
marjalocusf: thx for the link, and for confirming you don't want to be a bad guy :-)20:53
locusfthey look cool and the single principle about that is the only thing that appeals to me20:53
locusfdont bow down to anyone20:53
marjalocusf: :-)20:53
marjalocusf: btw, thx to Jolla I listen to Russian radio now and then, there's a really good allradio app for it20:54
marjalocusf: Russian is on my long list of languages I want to learn20:54
marjalocusf: now assuming you're Russian :-þ ... sorry if I'm wrong20:55
marjalocusf: ah, no your first name looks a bit Russian, but your surname looks Finnish20:57
locusfmarja: it seriously quite literally means " a Finn"20:59
locusfsurname I mean20:59
locusfAleksi Finn21:00
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marjalocusf: but there are undoubtedly 20 different forms of "Suomalainen" that mean "a Finn", depending on male, female, grown up, child, human, non-human etc.etc..... or isn't Finnish that complicated?21:01
locusfyes indeed it is21:03
locusfthis is the "general" form that you use from a citizen of Finland21:04
marjaah21:04
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marjalocusf:21:28
marjahyvän yön21:28
marja(if that's correct Finnish at all ;-) )21:29
Oni_missing ending tä21:29
marjaOni_: thx21:29
Oni_hyvää yötä is btter21:29
Oni_right21:29
marjaOni_: ok, hyvää yötä is btter21:29
marjaoops21:29
marjawrong c&p21:29
marjahyvää yötä, then :-)21:30
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locusfmarja: thanks :)21:34
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ambro_hi, i am in recovery mode because my jolla won't boot after the last update. before i factory reset it i want to backup some android stuff. can anyone tell me which partition to mount for that?22:13
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tigeliambro_: mmcblk0p2822:16
tigeliambro_: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202514138-How-to-copy-data-from-Home-to-SD-card-in-Recovery-Mode22:17
ambro_thats where nemo/ is located. i allready covered that.22:20
ambro_but the android stuff seems to be somwhere else22:28
tiwakeI wonder if KDE is wayland ready yet22:29
tiwakeI think it is, but not sure how much of it is22:29
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ambro_to be more precise the android_storage folder is empty. so my guess is when sailfishOS is running some other partition is mounted there?22:35
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fennekki...isn't android_storage a symlink?23:18
fennekkiI'm not sure on this though23:18
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AL13Nmarja: how do you mean tap + swipe + swipe ?23:40
AL13Nfrom any app, either swipe from side, or swipe from top and i'm at the home screen, another swipe from top to lock (hopefully), or even a pully meny at that point would be good too23:41
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