coderus | no ui rotate free can't be updated, it works forever with no modifications :) | 00:00 |
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HtheB | i see | 00:01 |
HtheB | but I already had the patch installed | 00:01 |
coderus | what patch? | 00:01 |
HtheB | UI rotate free | 00:01 |
coderus | sensors bug, tohkbd bug, whatever bug :) | 00:01 |
coderus | who knows | 00:02 |
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HtheB | whatever bug it is: it DOES work RIGHT AFTER i enter the mazelock | 00:02 |
HtheB | (after I unlock the device) | 00:02 |
HtheB | it rotates | 00:02 |
HtheB | does not happen all the times though | 00:03 |
HtheB | I'm still trying to figure out how to reproduce this bug | 00:03 |
coderus | good luck :) | 00:03 |
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Sidde | chem|st: i don't. A bit expensive to repair... | 06:37 |
Sidde | chem|st: my boat is expensive enough and it's 25.5ft | 06:37 |
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chem|st | Sidde: a pitty I don't have 400k eur a year to maintain it either ;) | 07:16 |
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trigpoint | how do i get twitter/facebook notifications in sailfish 2? | 08:02 |
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Armadillo | wait for the next release | 08:05 |
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trigpoint | Armadillo: thanks | 08:07 |
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chem|st | Armadillo: easy answer... wait till it is released == you don't ;) | 09:44 |
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inte | hello, is there a patch already to fix the oom bug in sf2.0? | 11:20 |
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coderus | don't know about such patch | 11:27 |
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gexc | the patch should be called MORE-RAM | 11:30 |
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fennekki | hah | 11:54 |
fennekki | has anyone else experienced the issue where sounds stop working | 11:55 |
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fennekki | I just missed class this morning due to it | 11:55 |
fennekki | might have been a side effect of something since opening pulley menus would also crash apps | 11:55 |
fennekki | fixed by a reboot | 11:55 |
inz | My jolla was mute for a couple of days | 11:55 |
inz | But then made a miracle recovery | 11:56 |
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phdeswer | Sure you did not mute the ringtone by mistake? | 11:59 |
phdeswer | As it now gets muted with the volume keys. | 11:59 |
fennekki | well | 12:00 |
fennekki | I switched to the silent ambience | 12:00 |
fennekki | and back | 12:00 |
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fennekki | and unchecked and rechecked vibration, sounds, and checked the volume was up | 12:00 |
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fennekki | but I didn't get sounds or vibration | 12:00 |
fennekki | I ASSUMED this wouldn't extend to alarms, but, well, | 12:00 |
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TheBootroo|home | hey | 12:20 |
TheBootroo|home | QtWorldSummit2015 is happening in Berlin next weekd | 12:21 |
TheBootroo|home | i'm going | 12:21 |
TheBootroo|home | someone from @Jolla will be there ? | 12:21 |
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Helle | bleah, still no e-mail | 13:48 |
the_mgt | still no update | 13:48 |
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the_mgt | out of memory killer is no fun, have to reboot every second day because something is wrong | 13:49 |
the_mgt | to be honest, I do not want a tablet with the current state of sfos | 13:51 |
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flux | I've been pretty happy with sfos2 on jolla. well, except for that one spurious reboot, maybe wifi-related.. | 14:02 |
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cos- | no major problems here.. | 14:08 |
cos- | zero reboots | 14:08 |
flux | seems to be able to run much more apps than the version just before it. but it was maybe a bit wonky, the version before that worked ok.. :) | 14:09 |
flux | or maybe it was crappy as in to make sfos2 appear better! | 14:10 |
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Yaniel | erhh, ytplayer dies when resuming it from the cover when nothing was playing? | 14:14 |
Yaniel | I guess this is the gstreamer memory leak + oom killer thing | 14:14 |
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pa | how much do used jollaphones cost these days? | 14:25 |
pa | cant find on ebay | 14:26 |
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ggabriel | pa: check talk.maemo.org? there's a buy/sell forum maybe somebody wants to sell, but why would you? :) | 14:30 |
stephg | jolla's still available on amazon.co.uk btw, maybe on other amazons too | 14:31 |
ggabriel | quite expensive there though stephg | 14:32 |
ggabriel | (co.uk) | 14:32 |
pa | =) | 14:32 |
pa | are they still produced? | 14:32 |
ggabriel | you can get yours at shop.jolla.com | 14:32 |
ggabriel | i'll get a second one soon (tm) | 14:32 |
ggabriel | probably the angry birds one | 14:33 |
Nicd- | they're not produced I think | 14:33 |
ggabriel | much cheaper/hassle free than getting a new screen for my shattered one | 14:33 |
v2px | I waited a month and they didn't ship it, so I cancelled my order | 14:33 |
stephg | ggabriel: are they expensive? I had to get one from there when my firstone showed signs of unhappiness about a week before going on holiday | 14:33 |
Nicd- | they are just selling stock away | 14:33 |
ggabriel | stephg: 232 gbp vs ~189 gbp if you buy it from jolla and according to xe.com :P | 14:33 |
pa | but is there any plan to get a platform refresh on these phones? S4 is from 2012 isnt it? | 14:33 |
ggabriel | pa: there's too much talk around that subject | 14:34 |
ggabriel | the reality is that you can get a jolla running sailfish now | 14:34 |
ggabriel | it'll take time because they'll give it to you with sfos 2.0 | 14:34 |
ggabriel | as opposed to 1.something | 14:34 |
ggabriel | the rest is speculation/promises/partners and so on | 14:35 |
v2px | Right, because updating to 2.0 takes a months | 14:35 |
v2px | -s | 14:35 |
ggabriel | v2px: it's in writing, so you can't complain really | 14:36 |
ggabriel | some companies take 1.5 months in creating a vm in vmware | 14:36 |
ggabriel | so go figure | 14:36 |
ggabriel | i suspect that 2.0 proper is not out just yet | 14:36 |
ggabriel | so they'll want to give you a phone with probably the next version, just a guess | 14:36 |
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tadzik | maybe there'll be significant api changes in the actual 2.0 | 14:39 |
tadzik | but the UI is not that big of a deal | 14:39 |
stephg | ggabriel: ah that is cheap | 14:40 |
stephg | but i needed it then then then | 14:40 |
stephg | :) | 14:40 |
ggabriel | stephg: I understand :) | 14:40 |
ggabriel | tadzik: well, remember that the sfos version that came with the phone is rather old and requires tons of updates (well, 2 :P ) and some people may not bother, so they'll run a pretty immature sfos | 14:41 |
ggabriel | given that the device can actually run 2.0, I don't think the move to be that bold | 14:41 |
ggabriel | especially as sfos 2.0 is more compatible with users from a ux perspective, since everybody comes from android/ios | 14:42 |
ggabriel | so happier days for new jolla users | 14:42 |
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Lieke | that's not true, i came from maemo | 14:44 |
ggabriel | Lieke: everybody (tm) :P | 14:44 |
ggabriel | i came from meego | 14:44 |
TheBootroo|home | i came from maemo too | 14:45 |
ggabriel | but i'm insignificant :) | 14:45 |
TheBootroo|home | loved my N810 and N900 | 14:45 |
Helle | given the N900 corpses still in a drawer, I came from Maemo aswell | 14:45 |
TheBootroo|home | Helle: my N900 is still alive | 14:45 |
Lieke | well, just saying ;) | 14:45 |
ggabriel | i knew somebody would jump up and down :P | 14:45 |
TheBootroo|home | also is my N950 Harmattan | 14:45 |
Helle | one may be revived by some careful soldering around the microUSB connector | 14:45 |
TheBootroo|home | so much memories | 14:45 |
TheBootroo|home | Helle: mine had the issue but was replaced under warranty | 14:46 |
Helle | TheBootroo|home: I did that twice and then it was well outside of warranty | 14:46 |
TheBootroo|home | wow | 14:46 |
TheBootroo|home | since mine was repaired, it worked very well, the new plug seemed more robust | 14:47 |
ggabriel | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Mobile-Computer-Software/dp/B002QEBX5E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1443538162&sr=8-1&keywords=nokia+n900 | 14:49 |
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the_mgt | cos-, flux: so your apps stay open for more than a few days? you do not have zero tracks in your media player or zero accounts under email? no browser that does work after starting, showing blank screen? no apps trying to open for 30 seconds and then close? | 15:10 |
the_mgt | or random laggyness all around | 15:11 |
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AL13N_work | *needs more votes: https://together.jolla.com/question/107042/sailfish-os-20-bring-back-screenlock-when-swiping-from-top-at-homescreen-or-at-least-optional/ | 15:56 |
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v2px | > implying jolla cares about votes on tjc | 16:01 |
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locusf | ohh the bonnie why do ye sing to me ... | 16:01 |
AL13N_work | v2px: should i email care about this? | 16:02 |
tadzik | I think this is exactly why tjc is the only way of communicating issues: so they can safely ignore them :D | 16:03 |
AL13N_work | :-( | 16:04 |
v2px | dunno, it took them about a month to reply to a simple yes/no question last time I tried | 16:04 |
v2px | I'm pretty much done with Jola after they ship my tablet | 16:05 |
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Aard | AL13N_work: just downgrade to 1.1.7, should be reasonably safe :p | 16:12 |
AL13N_work | you can downgrade? | 16:12 |
AL13N_work | Aard: but, actually, i don't need to downgrade | 16:13 |
AL13N_work | some things are less good, but others are better | 16:13 |
AL13N_work | a few things take too long in time, like pulley menu, unlocking device and locking it again | 16:13 |
Aard | not officially, but you can force version and downgrade via CLI. differences after 1.1.7 are not in areas which should prevent downgrade, and I just tested it yesterday with my wive who was seriously pissed off after upgrading to 1.1.9 | 16:14 |
AL13N_work | but most other changes are ok | 16:14 |
AL13N_work | myeah | 16:14 |
kimmoli | AL13N_work: you can tweak some with mce-tool | 16:14 |
AL13N_work | kimmoli: i'm sure i can, but i donno, i would guess that jolla doesn't want to have a slow-appearing OS | 16:14 |
AL13N_work | or maybe that's just me | 16:15 |
AL13N_work | Aard: what were her deal-breakers? | 16:15 |
Aard | AL13N_work: too many to count. mix of bad design and newly introduced bugs | 16:16 |
AL13N_work | so, not the apparent slowness of it due to the new changes in UI then | 16:16 |
AL13N_work | now that i think about it, downgrading does actually make a statement | 16:17 |
AL13N_work | and it's visible to jolla | 16:17 |
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marja | AL13N_work: AL13N: sorry that I didn't vote for your bug, I find it impossible to vote for an issue that isn't an issue for me | 16:58 |
cos- | the_mgt: yes,i'm using the phone and no problems. you have the battery fix done? | 16:59 |
the_mgt | what battery fix? | 17:03 |
Yaniel | *the* battery fix | 17:03 |
tbr | that usually means: clean the battery contacts | 17:03 |
the_mgt | the postit under the battery? | 17:03 |
the_mgt | because 1.1.29 makes them dirty? | 17:04 |
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AL13N | marja: that is only normal | 17:08 |
AL13N | if i don't clean the contacts properly, i need to do this every few months | 17:09 |
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urs | Anybody know how to debug a non-functioning XMPP account in sailfish? | 20:04 |
urs | I added it, I get no error message, it doesn't work, presence is not selectable. | 20:04 |
tbr | urs: mc-tool | 20:08 |
tbr | and starting parts of telepathy manually with debug flags if it's not in log | 20:09 |
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urs | tbr: ah. Which one of the mc-tool subcommands would give me error messages? I see that the account is enabled and requested: available | 20:13 |
tbr | urs: is the certificate valid? | 20:13 |
tbr | if not, you can either add it to cert store or disable the check | 20:14 |
tbr | mc-tool doesn't provide error logging | 20:14 |
urs | ah, it might not be (CAcert) | 20:14 |
tbr | most certainly isn't | 20:14 |
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tbr | nobody in their right mind would have cacert by default on | 20:15 |
urs | indeed. :) | 20:15 |
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urs | tbr: nope, that alone doesn't have seemed to help | 20:23 |
tbr | have fun killing /usr/libexec/telepathy-gabble and running it manually with debugging | 20:24 |
Aard | tbr: nobody in their right mind would trust the CAs pre-installed with operating systems, browsers or devices, and yet everyone does :p | 20:24 |
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tbr | Aard: that's a whole other zoo, yeah | 20:25 |
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urs | tbr: it's not actually running. | 20:26 |
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urs | and when I start it, it quickly dies, just saying "tp-glib-Message: Exiting | 20:27 |
urs | " | 20:27 |
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tbr | urs: from my bash history, that's how I debug SIP: | 20:30 |
tbr | pkill telepathy-rakia; RAKIA_DEBUG=all RAKIA_PERSIST=1 TPORT_LOG=1 TPSIP_DEBUG=all /usr/libexec/telepathy-rakia| tee rakia3.log | 20:30 |
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urs | tbr: yeah, it's GABBLE_DEBUG and WOCKY_DEBUG for jabber | 20:30 |
urs | still, no messages. | 20:30 |
tbr | the joys of telepathy... | 20:31 |
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urs | shouldn't it also be visible on the DBus somewhere while running? | 20:33 |
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urs | ah, G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all was missing. | 20:42 |
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urs | (telepathy-gabble:3394): tp-glib-DEBUG: no connections, and timed out | 20:51 |
urs | This sounds like the UI does not actually register any jabber accounts with gabble. | 20:51 |
tbr | is it enabled? | 20:52 |
tbr | try turning things on using mc-tool | 20:52 |
tbr | mc-tool enable foo/... && mc-tool request foo/... online | 20:53 |
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urs | tbr: yes, it is enabled, and "available" is requested, however the current presence is "offline" | 21:04 |
urs | and the presence tab in the settings app tells me that none of my account allow for any presence to be set | 21:04 |
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chem|st | urs: I tried around several times with different setup ways, the only thing actually working was, leave everything plain and simple, in the end teh account showed up after a reboot... | 21:08 |
chem|st | as long as the initial setup does not fail | 21:08 |
urs | I tried both deleting and recreating the account, and rebooting. | 21:09 |
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chem|st | urs: leave alone the checkboxes and priority? | 21:10 |
urs | yep | 21:10 |
chem|st | I had my challenge with it and don't dare to touch it again :/ | 21:10 |
chem|st | after I got it setup correctly I was able to ignore ssl errors and set priority | 21:11 |
urs | btw, where are these settings stored? Or where does telepathy-gabble read its config from? | 21:11 |
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chem|st | .config something iirc | 21:11 |
chem|st | lmc | 21:12 |
urs | in /home/nemo/.config/libaccounts-glib, it seems | 21:12 |
chem|st | yeap | 21:13 |
chem|st | urs: mc-tool dump should show it, if not there is something wrong in creating it | 21:15 |
chem|st | or in reading it | 21:15 |
urs | yeah, it does show it. | 21:16 |
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pdanek | So, don't you think the raised edge around display on Fairphone 2 will be real problem for Sailfish gestures? | 21:38 |
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ljp | I can see that it might be an issue | 22:31 |
ljp | openmoko had a raised edge and even without gestures and with a stylus that was a pain | 22:31 |
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