#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2015-09-29

coderusno ui rotate free can't be updated, it works forever with no modifications :)00:00
HtheBi see00:01
HtheBbut I already had the patch installed00:01
coderuswhat patch?00:01
HtheBUI rotate free00:01
coderussensors bug, tohkbd bug, whatever bug :)00:01
coderuswho knows00:02
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HtheBwhatever bug it is: it DOES work RIGHT AFTER i enter the mazelock00:02
HtheB(after I unlock the device)00:02
HtheBit rotates00:02
HtheBdoes not happen all the times though00:03
HtheBI'm still trying to figure out how to reproduce this bug00:03
coderusgood luck :)00:03
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Siddechem|st: i don't. A bit expensive to repair...06:37
Siddechem|st: my boat is expensive enough and it's 25.5ft06:37
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chem|stSidde: a pitty I don't have 400k eur a year to maintain it either ;)07:16
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trigpointhow do i get twitter/facebook notifications in sailfish 2?08:02
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Armadillowait for the next release08:05
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trigpointArmadillo: thanks08:07
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chem|stArmadillo: easy answer... wait till it is released == you don't ;)09:44
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intehello, is there a patch already to fix the oom bug in sf2.0?11:20
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coderusdon't know about such patch11:27
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gexcthe patch should be called MORE-RAM11:30
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fennekkihah11:54
fennekkihas anyone else experienced the issue where sounds stop working11:55
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fennekkiI just missed class this morning due to it11:55
fennekkimight have been a side effect of something since opening pulley menus would also crash apps11:55
fennekkifixed by a reboot11:55
inzMy jolla was mute for a couple of days11:55
inzBut then made a miracle recovery11:56
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phdeswerSure you did not mute the ringtone by mistake?11:59
phdeswerAs it now gets muted with the volume keys.11:59
fennekkiwell12:00
fennekkiI switched to the silent ambience12:00
fennekkiand back12:00
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fennekkiand unchecked and rechecked vibration, sounds, and checked the volume was up12:00
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fennekkibut I didn't get sounds or vibration12:00
fennekkiI ASSUMED this wouldn't extend to alarms, but, well,12:00
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TheBootroo|homehey12:20
TheBootroo|homeQtWorldSummit2015 is happening in Berlin next weekd12:21
TheBootroo|homei'm going12:21
TheBootroo|homesomeone from @Jolla will be there ?12:21
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Hellebleah, still no e-mail13:48
the_mgtstill no update13:48
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the_mgtout of memory killer is no fun, have to reboot every second day because  something is wrong13:49
the_mgtto be honest, I do not want a tablet with the current state of sfos13:51
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fluxI've been pretty happy with sfos2 on jolla. well, except for that one spurious reboot, maybe wifi-related..14:02
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cos-no major problems here..14:08
cos-zero reboots14:08
fluxseems to be able to run much more apps than the version just before it. but it was maybe a bit wonky, the version before that worked ok.. :)14:09
fluxor maybe it was crappy as in to make sfos2 appear better!14:10
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Yanielerhh, ytplayer dies when resuming it from the cover when nothing was playing?14:14
YanielI guess this is the gstreamer memory leak + oom killer thing14:14
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pahow much do used jollaphones cost these days?14:25
pacant find on ebay14:26
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ggabrielpa: check talk.maemo.org? there's a buy/sell forum maybe somebody wants to sell, but why would you? :)14:30
stephgjolla's still available on amazon.co.uk btw, maybe on other amazons too14:31
ggabrielquite expensive there though stephg14:32
ggabriel(co.uk)14:32
pa=)14:32
paare they still produced?14:32
ggabrielyou can get yours at shop.jolla.com14:32
ggabrieli'll get a second one soon (tm)14:32
ggabrielprobably the angry birds one14:33
Nicd-they're not produced I think14:33
ggabrielmuch cheaper/hassle free than getting a new screen for my shattered one14:33
v2pxI waited a month and they didn't ship it, so I cancelled my order14:33
stephgggabriel: are they expensive? I had to get one from there when my firstone showed signs of unhappiness about a week before going on holiday14:33
Nicd-they are just selling stock away14:33
ggabrielstephg: 232 gbp vs ~189 gbp if you buy it from jolla and according to xe.com :P14:33
pabut is there any plan to get a platform refresh on these phones? S4 is from 2012 isnt it?14:33
ggabrielpa: there's too much talk around that subject14:34
ggabrielthe reality is that you can get a jolla running sailfish now14:34
ggabrielit'll take time because they'll give it to you with sfos 2.014:34
ggabrielas opposed to 1.something14:34
ggabrielthe rest is speculation/promises/partners and so on14:35
v2pxRight, because updating to 2.0 takes a months14:35
v2px-s14:35
ggabrielv2px: it's in writing, so you can't complain really14:36
ggabrielsome companies take 1.5 months in creating a vm in vmware14:36
ggabrielso go figure14:36
ggabrieli suspect that 2.0 proper is not out just yet14:36
ggabrielso they'll want to give you a phone with probably the next version, just a guess14:36
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tadzikmaybe there'll be significant api changes in the actual 2.014:39
tadzikbut the UI is not that big of a deal14:39
stephgggabriel: ah that is cheap14:40
stephgbut i needed it then then then14:40
stephg:)14:40
ggabrielstephg: I understand :)14:40
ggabrieltadzik: well, remember that the sfos version that came with the phone is rather old and requires tons of updates (well, 2 :P ) and some people may not bother, so they'll run a pretty immature sfos14:41
ggabrielgiven that the device can actually run 2.0, I don't think the move to be that bold14:41
ggabrielespecially as sfos 2.0 is more compatible with users from a ux perspective, since everybody comes from android/ios14:42
ggabrielso happier days for new jolla users14:42
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Liekethat's not true, i came from maemo14:44
ggabrielLieke: everybody (tm) :P14:44
ggabrieli came from meego14:44
TheBootroo|homei came from maemo too14:45
ggabrielbut i'm insignificant :)14:45
TheBootroo|homeloved my N810 and N90014:45
Hellegiven the N900 corpses still in a drawer, I came from Maemo aswell14:45
TheBootroo|homeHelle: my N900 is still alive14:45
Liekewell, just saying ;)14:45
ggabrieli knew somebody would jump up and down :P14:45
TheBootroo|homealso is my N950 Harmattan14:45
Helleone may be revived by some careful soldering around the microUSB connector14:45
TheBootroo|homeso much memories14:45
TheBootroo|homeHelle: mine had the issue but was replaced under warranty14:46
HelleTheBootroo|home: I did that twice and then it was well outside of warranty14:46
TheBootroo|homewow14:46
TheBootroo|homesince mine was repaired, it worked very well, the new plug seemed more robust14:47
ggabrielhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Mobile-Computer-Software/dp/B002QEBX5E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1443538162&sr=8-1&keywords=nokia+n90014:49
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the_mgtcos-, flux: so your apps stay open for more than a few days? you do not have zero tracks in your media player or zero accounts under email? no browser that does work after starting, showing blank screen? no apps trying to open for 30 seconds and then close?15:10
the_mgtor random laggyness all around15:11
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AL13N_work*needs more votes: https://together.jolla.com/question/107042/sailfish-os-20-bring-back-screenlock-when-swiping-from-top-at-homescreen-or-at-least-optional/15:56
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v2px> implying jolla cares about votes on tjc16:01
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locusfohh the bonnie why do ye sing to me ...16:01
AL13N_workv2px: should i email care about this?16:02
tadzikI think this is exactly why tjc is the only way of communicating issues: so they can safely ignore them :D16:03
AL13N_work:-(16:04
v2pxdunno, it took them about a month to reply to a simple yes/no question last time I tried16:04
v2pxI'm pretty much done with Jola after they ship my tablet16:05
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AardAL13N_work: just downgrade to 1.1.7, should be reasonably safe :p16:12
AL13N_workyou can downgrade?16:12
AL13N_workAard: but, actually, i don't need to downgrade16:13
AL13N_worksome things are less good, but others are better16:13
AL13N_worka few things take too long in time, like pulley menu, unlocking device and locking it again16:13
Aardnot officially, but you can force version and downgrade via CLI. differences after 1.1.7 are not in areas which should prevent downgrade, and I just tested it yesterday with my wive who was seriously pissed off after upgrading to 1.1.916:14
AL13N_workbut most other changes are ok16:14
AL13N_workmyeah16:14
kimmoliAL13N_work: you can tweak some with mce-tool16:14
AL13N_workkimmoli: i'm sure i can, but i donno, i would guess that jolla doesn't want to have a slow-appearing OS16:14
AL13N_workor maybe that's just me16:15
AL13N_workAard: what were her deal-breakers?16:15
AardAL13N_work: too many to count. mix of bad design and newly introduced bugs16:16
AL13N_workso, not the apparent slowness of it due to the new changes in UI then16:16
AL13N_worknow that i think about it, downgrading does actually make a statement16:17
AL13N_workand it's visible to jolla16:17
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marjaAL13N_work: AL13N: sorry that I didn't vote for your bug, I find it impossible to vote for an issue that isn't an issue for me16:58
cos-the_mgt: yes,i'm using the phone and no problems. you have the battery fix done?16:59
the_mgtwhat battery fix?17:03
Yaniel*the* battery fix17:03
tbrthat usually means: clean the battery contacts17:03
the_mgtthe postit under the battery?17:03
the_mgtbecause 1.1.29 makes them dirty?17:04
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AL13Nmarja: that is only normal17:08
AL13Nif i don't clean the contacts properly, i need to do this every few months17:09
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ursAnybody know how to debug a non-functioning XMPP account in sailfish?20:04
ursI added it, I get no error message, it doesn't work, presence is not selectable.20:04
tbrurs: mc-tool20:08
tbrand starting parts of telepathy manually with debug flags if it's not in log20:09
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urstbr: ah. Which one of the mc-tool subcommands would give me error messages? I see that the account is enabled and requested: available20:13
tbrurs: is the certificate valid?20:13
tbrif not, you can either add it to cert store or disable the check20:14
tbrmc-tool doesn't provide error logging20:14
ursah, it might not be (CAcert)20:14
tbrmost certainly isn't20:14
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tbrnobody in their right mind would have cacert by default on20:15
ursindeed. :)20:15
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urstbr: nope, that alone doesn't have seemed to help20:23
tbrhave fun killing /usr/libexec/telepathy-gabble and running it manually with debugging20:24
Aardtbr: nobody in their right mind would trust the CAs pre-installed with operating systems, browsers or devices, and yet everyone does :p20:24
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tbrAard: that's a whole other zoo, yeah20:25
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urstbr: it's not actually running.20:26
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ursand when I start it, it quickly dies, just saying "tp-glib-Message: Exiting20:27
urs"20:27
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tbrurs: from my bash history, that's how I debug SIP:20:30
tbrpkill telepathy-rakia; RAKIA_DEBUG=all RAKIA_PERSIST=1 TPORT_LOG=1 TPSIP_DEBUG=all /usr/libexec/telepathy-rakia| tee rakia3.log20:30
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urstbr: yeah, it's GABBLE_DEBUG and WOCKY_DEBUG for jabber20:30
ursstill, no messages.20:30
tbrthe joys of telepathy...20:31
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ursshouldn't it also be visible on the DBus somewhere while running?20:33
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ursah, G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all was missing.20:42
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urs(telepathy-gabble:3394): tp-glib-DEBUG: no connections, and timed out20:51
ursThis sounds like the UI does not actually register any jabber accounts with gabble.20:51
tbris it enabled?20:52
tbrtry turning things on using mc-tool20:52
tbrmc-tool enable foo/... && mc-tool request foo/... online20:53
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urstbr: yes, it is enabled, and "available" is requested, however the current presence is "offline"21:04
ursand the presence tab in the settings app tells me that none of my account allow for any presence to be set21:04
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chem|sturs: I tried around several times with different setup ways, the only thing actually working was, leave everything plain and simple, in the end teh account showed up after a reboot...21:08
chem|stas long as the initial setup does not fail21:08
ursI tried both deleting and recreating the account, and rebooting.21:09
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chem|sturs: leave alone the checkboxes and priority?21:10
ursyep21:10
chem|stI had my challenge with it and don't dare to touch it again :/21:10
chem|stafter I got it setup correctly I was able to ignore ssl errors and set priority21:11
ursbtw, where are these settings stored? Or where does telepathy-gabble read its config from?21:11
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chem|st.config something iirc21:11
chem|stlmc21:12
ursin /home/nemo/.config/libaccounts-glib, it seems21:12
chem|styeap21:13
chem|sturs: mc-tool dump should show it, if not there is something wrong in creating it21:15
chem|stor in reading it21:15
ursyeah, it does show it.21:16
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pdanekSo, don't you think the raised edge around display on Fairphone 2 will be real problem for Sailfish gestures?21:38
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ljpI can see that it might be an issue22:31
ljpopenmoko had a raised edge and even without gestures and with a stylus that was a pain22:31
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