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the_mgthm, warehouse selfupdate disabled all my repos. is there an easy way to reenable them?07:13
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dr_gogeta86the_mgt, this is a symptom of btrfs overcommit pls cleanup your phone and rebalance it07:24
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the_mgtdr_gogeta86: honestly, that is bullcrap. I use 9,2/13,7gb and the btrfs rebalanced the shit out of itself during the last 5 upgrades07:29
dr_gogeta86pay attention 9,2 is a bit high ... and depends how old is the partition if you are a first one .... so is too high07:29
dr_gogeta86IMHO07:29
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the_mgthi for what? that's 68% usage07:31
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TemeVthe_mgt: btrfs fi show will tell the truth :)07:32
the_mgtalso, the last upgrades all did a rebalancing of their own. and rebalancing is done in background now, iirc07:32
dr_gogeta86the_mgt, the symptoms are there07:32
dr_gogeta86If you love your data, care your data07:33
dr_gogeta86are just two commands07:33
dr_gogeta86deve-su07:33
dr_gogeta86*devel-su07:33
dr_gogeta86btrfs fi /07:33
the_mgtthat doesnt work07:35
TemeVbtrfs fi show /07:40
TemeViirce07:40
TemeV-e07:40
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the_mgtERROR: unable get label Inappropriate iocotl for device07:43
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TemeVoh, it's without the last slash07:49
TemeVjust btrfs fi show07:49
TemeVand ignore the error07:49
the_mgtand the relavant part would be the size XXX used YYY part?07:49
TemeVyes07:50
the_mgtok, so we have a crappy FS combined with crappy tools, since the last 5 rebalancing seem to have done nothing07:50
the_mgtway to go linux07:50
TemeVwhat does it say?07:50
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the_mgtsize 13,75GiB used 12.37GiB07:51
coderusthe_mgt: for i in $(ssu lr 2>&1 | grep openre | cut -d" "  -f3); do  ssu er $i ; done07:51
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TemeVthat is pretty full, but I don't know if it should cause trouble yet07:52
TemeVI thought problems arise when it hits 13,75/13,7507:52
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the_mgtso would a "btrfs balance start /dev/mmcblk0p28 -dlimit=3" help?07:54
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the_mgtcoderus: thanks07:54
MirvI thought the before-update + on-the-background balancing is not as throughout as the full balancing manually?07:54
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FiXionwhere do I report jolla bugs (like when Download manager keeps setting notifications about failing to download a file - which I can't make it stop trying.. and which have persisted for a year+08:11
FiXionhave 26 notifications from it now. on 2 files it seems to want to retry. and I cleared yesterday08:12
tbrtjc - together.jolla.com08:13
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FiXiontbr: I transferred the problem to my new jolla (when moving backup to the new box).. and it also does it after updating to sailfish 2.008:17
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FiXionso I'll go grep my backup (when I'm home and can access it) and see if I can't find the source files :)08:17
FiXionso I have some details for a tjc issue08:18
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coderusFiXion: there is no "Download manager" in Sailfishos09:07
Venemo_jthere is09:08
coderusi seen similar reports about android download manager09:08
Venemo_jit's just called transfers09:08
coderusVenemo_j: user using transfers never call it download manager09:08
coderusit just tells what seen on display09:08
Venemo_jjust sayin :)09:09
coderusaliendalvik spawning notifications from "Download manager"09:09
coderuswhen saving ffiles in browser using "system" method, or saving media from vkontakte/facebook/etc09:09
coderusandroid browser i mean09:09
coderusFiXion: so you need to post details what file is downloading in that "Download manager", what app you used, and so on09:10
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Pemekhi guys09:29
Pemekquick question about dir permissions for /home/nemo09:29
Pemekssh doesn't like my +rwx fot all.09:30
coderuswhat is the question?09:31
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Pemekfor permissions on your device09:35
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Pemekand what is the reason for a+rwx09:36
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PemekI don't like it either but I'm little affraid to change them to more restrictive09:38
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lainwir3dWell well, the ten days are past and still no tablet sent notification email :-P09:46
Hellemhm09:47
Hellewell, still no invite mail for me09:47
Helleand I ordered the first day, grmbl09:48
Helle"but we are trying out stuff"09:48
Helle*sigh* order fullfillment is not magic09:48
merlin1991Yeah, it's black magic ;)09:50
tbryou need to sacrifice a virgin…09:51
tbrolive oil bottle during a blood moon09:52
tbrand chant some ancient incantations09:52
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lainwir3dtbr: naked of course (while singing)10:00
coderusPemek: because there is android who read your home pictures10:01
coderusand its group user dynamically generated per app10:02
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Pemekcoderus: group is ok, but why also for all?10:02
FiXioncoderus: I'm not using any android app for it. its things I tried to download using builtin browser one time a long ago afaik10:02
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coderusbecause android app process user and group is unique per app10:03
coderusFiXion: okay then fill it to tjc10:03
coderusor search probably there is already created one10:04
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coderusand probably not only one and also many other duplicates10:04
FiXioncoderus: I'll grep my backup first - see if I can find where the filenames are on-disk10:04
FiXioncoderus: I searched. nothing hitting "download manager" - which is what notifications groups it under10:04
Pemekcoderus: thanks for explanation10:05
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Pemekbut it is strange that at june ssh worked passwordless not complaining about permissions10:07
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Pemekand I didn't upgrade ssh since10:07
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coderusmy ssh never complains10:08
coderusi have no idea what you talking about10:09
Pemek;) ssh complains about /home/nemo permissions and do not want to login with rsa keys - passwordless.10:11
stephgcoderus: ditto, Pemek you changed the perms on /home/nemo then?10:13
stephg//home/nemo for me is 750, .ssh should be 700, authorized_keys should be 60010:15
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Pemekstephg: no, but I may have done it by accident10:15
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Pemekstephg: and your perms looks reasonable10:17
stephgPemek ja10:17
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_inte_hello10:44
_inte_tablet seems delayed again10:44
_inte_surprise...10:44
_inte_:(10:44
_inte_would it make sense to join this community meeting tomorrow and ask the jolla people directly why they removed the most important gestures from the gesture based os10:45
_inte_and ask them to bring them back?10:46
lainwir3dWhich gestures are you talking about ?10:46
_inte_all the gestures that where removed10:46
_inte_there are barely gestures left, to be honest10:46
_inte_e.g. @home: resurrect the edge swipes10:46
lainwir3dthat does not seems to be a general opinion10:46
lainwir3dlooking at this poll : https://together.jolla.com/question/113827/poll-bring-back-old-gestures-and-cover-actions-or-keep-the-new-interface/10:47
_inte_what?10:47
_inte_yeah10:47
lainwir3d(ok, not really representative)10:47
_inte_almost have the people want it back10:47
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lainwir3dhonestly, I just want options10:47
_inte_and all people want cover action swipes back: https://together.jolla.com/question/113838/poll-bring-back-old-cover-actions-swipes/10:47
lainwir3dthat they change the default is ok IMO, but options would be very nice10:47
_inte_the buttons are just stupid, must have been an idiot who came up with that10:48
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_inte_lainwir3d: yeah10:48
_inte_like gestureless environment for the DAUs, gestures for the Unlike people :)10:48
_inte_im only wondering if i should join this community meeting10:49
chem|st_inte_: you are confused ;)10:49
_inte_it would also be cool if jolla would conduct an official poll, since they claim their os was people powered10:49
chem|st_inte_: the only thing that got removed is cover-action-gestures10:49
_inte_chem|st: just as confused as ususal:)10:49
_inte_chem|st: untrue10:49
_inte_home had 4 gestures before10:50
chem|st_inte_: together is their official poll10:50
_inte_now home only has 2 gestures10:50
chem|st_inte_: semantics!10:50
chem|st_inte_: that is why I answered to your post "how about removing the pull-up"10:51
chem|st_inte_: I am pretty sure that home-screen will get a pulley10:51
_inte_before: evensview/lock device (horiz. edge), app drawer (horiz. pull), ambiance selector (vert. edge), cover swipes (vert. pull)10:51
chem|stcovergestures hopefully become a setting10:51
_inte_now its only caroussel (which replace ambience) and app drawer10:52
chem|st_inte_: I know the setup and I know what changed10:52
_inte_they removed three functions in 2.010:52
_inte_stupid10:52
_inte_so its NOT the only thing they removed, the cover gestures10:52
chem|st_inte_: they removed cover-gestures and disabled returning to the lockscreent10:52
_inte_and it does not make sense at all to have the events screen in the caroussel10:52
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_inte_and they removed the dedicated events-swipe which is currently unused (bottom edge)10:53
chem|st_inte_: home, events and launcher are on global hotseat gestures now, so they actually added something10:53
_inte_imaging a caroussel with 5 spaces10:53
_inte_now you are confused :)10:54
entilimo the events screen is just nice, it's just annoying that if I scroll to that screen in the lock screen I somehow don't end up there _unless_ I have a missed sms or something10:54
chem|st_inte_: bottom swipe is not unused10:54
_inte_for what is it used?10:54
_inte_same as bottom pull10:54
chem|stthe only unused is pull-down in events and home10:54
_inte_and bottom swipe does the same as bottom pull10:54
chem|st_inte_: bottom pull is only in events and home...10:54
chem|stcalm down!10:55
_inte_where else would i want to go to the apps?10:55
chem|stthe one gesture you should be concerned about is the horizontal pulls10:55
chem|st_inte_: all main screens, home, events and launcher are now available always from everywhere10:56
chem|stincluding lock-ambience-pull-down this makes the 4 swipe directions10:56
chem|stand adds to muscle memory10:57
chem|stnow the home&events-screen duplication of the bottom pull is odd but apart of just removing it I have no use, as pulling in launcher or a pulley is the same problem for me, I accidentally pull it10:58
chem|stthe carousel navigation is set to be the same for pull and swipe for the sake of new users, so lets pester Jolla to bring the option to use pulls as cover-actions again?!10:59
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chem|st_inte_: understood? having all main screens always available is a good thing11:01
entilI seem to have trouble hitting the pressable cover actions when I want to, but always seem to clear whatever bus route I have in JollaOpas when I try to look at it :P11:01
chem|stentil: yeah buttons in a gesture OS tell me more about it11:01
chem|stentil: that headline "for the sake of new users" reads for me "the world is a bunch of retards so we are forced to give you the finger to survive"11:02
entilthat and how I don't get to the events screen from the lock screen except in a special case11:02
entilwell, you got to choose between going bankrupt as a company and dumbing it down for retards11:03
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entilusually self-preservation makes companies dumb it down11:03
chem|stso I am ok with the move but I will only stop screaming when I get that button in settings that reads "Advanced Super Hero UI Mode aka not for retards"11:04
entilbut I think the lock->events toggle is illogical even for the new users and the button cover actions is something they can't easily take back now and that just breaks the mold11:04
chem|stentil: I always have notifications active so I barely do run into that bug11:05
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entilthat doesn't make it better and if a jolla/sailfish dev said that s/he should be fired11:05
entilto paraphrase that example from somerville's book, "I developed this windshield-wiper system in California, how could I have known it'd cause crashes in Washington State?"11:06
chem|stentil: lol11:06
chem|stentil: file a bug ;)11:06
chem|stI'd expect it to behave always the same, left edge is events11:07
entilevery time I've filed a bug it's turned out to be a duplicate of something phrased in a way that I couldn't find it11:07
TemeViirc that is known issue in release notes11:08
TemeVlock->events thing I mean11:08
entiloh the irony, firefox got stuck on me now11:09
chem|stTemeV: reading up11:09
TemeV"When there are no notifications on the lock screen, quick events access by left swipe takes you to Home instead of Events view."11:09
TemeVhttps://together.jolla.com/question/107685/release-notes-119eineheminlampi-released/#107685-known-issues11:09
StskeepsTemeV: you can enable that in settings somewhere i think11:09
Stskeepsor will be able to11:10
entilthat's not the same11:10
entilI have the left-edge-always-to-events enabled11:10
Stskeepsah ok11:10
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chem|stentil: in release notes first item of "known issues"11:11
entilI don't know if I should take this up anywhere, but android's textsecure client doesn't show my contacts; I tried disabling contact visibility for android but then the app doesn't start, so I doubt it's that kind of bug, but is there any chance that it's a sailfish issue?11:11
entilchem|st: the second issue happens a lot as well, even deleting images after taking them through the camera app causes weird lags11:12
TemeVentil: Whatsapp did the same for me. Iirc stopping and restarting android a couple of times fixed it11:12
chem|stentil: that is why it is a issue, be glad it is already known ;)11:12
entilI'd be much glader if instead of changing things that worked the dev effort would be put into the gallery not lagging, supporting some kind of folders for the gallery, having an easier way to create a new calendar (not just have birthdays through contact info) and stuff like that that might not be new to new users but seem completely broken11:14
entilhaving said that, still love the new events screen11:14
entilgot to remember to say that, because it's good11:14
_inte_chem|st: i want events on the bottom and not as part of the caroussel11:15
_inte_imaging we have like 5 partner spaces11:15
_inte_at which position should the events screen go then?11:16
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coderuspartner space is only one11:16
_inte_still, next to the homescreen?11:16
chem|st_inte_: the carousel does not work with 3+ pages11:16
_inte_what is the caroussel good for then at all?11:16
TemeVnostalgy for the N9 users11:17
_inte_so the so called caroussel is only the homescreen and the partnerspace?11:17
_inte_and, for it to be not only two pages but become a REAL caroussel, they had to add events instead of leaving it seperate?11:18
_inte_wow.11:18
_inte_really clever :(11:18
entilthe old events system was broken, it was partially an overlay and then kind of like an app and the weather thing was a worse clone of meecast - the new (or old n9) view is more consistent11:18
_inte_as if there are so many people using the N9(50) that they NOW have to start adopting the genious jolla gestures to the legacy nokia stuff11:19
entilthe proper hate is that there's no different swiping or pulling from the edges to change the view so we lost out on the cover actions11:19
_inte_we lost the cover actions and i want the same action to the left as to the right11:19
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_inte_im still opening events when i actually want to minimize apps, and minimize apps when i actually want to go to events11:20
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_inte_thats because the required action is just the opposit when changing hands11:20
entilI _kinda_ miss the old ambience edge thing, and I definitely don't like clicking to lock the phone, but the swipable covers are a technical limitation (afaik and iirc this was established here on the channel) so we got to deal with it11:21
_inte_like push thumb on one hand is pull thumb on the other11:21
entiland the partnerspace is apparently how the company's going to monetize so we shouldn't diss that either; high frigging time for something like that to come11:21
_inte_so, as long as the jolla phone cannot recognize which hand the user holds it, having one sided gestures is a no-go11:21
Lieke_i would prefer it if the ambiances where in the caroussel so we can get swipe to lock back11:21
_inte_entil i would add as many partner spaces as they want, like one for the network provider, one for spotify...11:22
_inte_Lieke_: swipe to lock is back11:22
_inte_its a patch at present because edge swipes are broken in the current release11:22
_inte_but you needend put the ambience in the caroussel11:22
_inte_you could, though, why not11:23
_inte_would also be nice11:23
entilpatches are not "back"11:23
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_inte_no11:23
_inte_but they repair many of the bugs, glitches and issues of sf2.011:23
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Lieke_i'm not using patches11:23
_inte_Lieke_: you have to, at least for SF2.0, otherwise its not really functional at present11:24
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_inte_btw it shouldnt be hard to make a coveractions swipe patch11:25
_inte_which greps the pull action from home and leaves the edge swipes to the caroussel11:25
Lieke_i'm mostly fine with the 2.0 ui, there are just small things i don't agree with11:25
_inte_Lieke_: so youre the first person who likes the cover buttons :)11:25
Lieke_no, i don't care about cover actions11:26
_inte_i mean, it shouldnt be hard to make such a patch for someone who made patches before :)11:26
_inte_Lieke_: I always hit the buttons by mistake11:26
Lieke_i never had that happen since early access11:27
_inte_tiny fingers... :)11:27
Lieke_maybe ;)11:27
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_inte_gtg11:28
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Armadilloany information what happened to intex Aqua Fish? I need to select a work phone and a Sailfish device with dual sim would be great11:47
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taaemDoes someone now what this startup is doing? https://twitter.com/SoluMachines solu.co I read so often about them lately11:48
taaemArmadillo: shouldn't it be announced in October/November?11:48
ArmadilloI thought there were no information about announcement and release, but I can be wrong11:49
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attahi'm not sure whether to be happy or worried.. this time the reset worked17:33
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attahin other news.. the tablet has been dispatched, not just booked for shipping. Expected deliver is on Friday! :O:O:O17:54
r0kk3rzyay toys17:57
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Stskeepsattah: 'booked for shipping'?18:22
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attahStskeeps: shipping label printed i immagine18:23
Stskeepseh18:23
Stskeepsok18:23
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attahthat was the status up until today.. now it has actual progress18:24
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stephgattah: cool20:01
* stephg patiently waits20:01
attahyeah.. i'm really excited20:02
attahbeing quick pays off it seems :)20:02
adherryhmm, anyone else gets a good bit more of battery time since “2.0”?20:02
attahadherry: with no android apps running, yes20:03
attahotherwise no20:03
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sledgesthanks to smoku and RobertMe, pebble time for sailfishos now receives all notifications/texts/emails/music controls \o/ my gf is up in the sky :D20:17
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sledgeshttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1482225#post148222520:17
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sledges(old news for some, probably;)20:17
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Helleeh, I just ended up downgrading SailfishOS, the 2.0 UI just doesn't work for me on a phone....21:27
HelleOne of the main facepalms I run into is that presence is now several clicks away21:29
raa700_I've never used that21:30
r0kk3rzHelle, that should be a bit better in the next release21:35
r0kk3rzwhen you can have settings pinned to the events view21:35
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twaapo2.0 is definitely less usable than 1.x was22:07
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Hellethe real eh though is, I really badly want gstreamer 1.0 , heh22:28
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