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locusfdunp: thanks :)04:37
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tore_anyone else experiencing a lot of random reboots since upgrading to 1.1.9.28?06:34
ppyou have the magic duct tape?06:35
SQUelchernone at all here06:35
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tbrscrew duct tape, paper snippets, etc. cleaning contact surfaces is the real issue06:40
tbrreseating the battery to "check the tape/paper/foo" also slightly cleans the surface by friction, hence you may see minor improvement by that. might as well skip that tape and just reseat the battery 20 times.06:42
* pp has the official one from optimaservice :-)06:47
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tore_hm. seems a bit unlikely that a software upgrade would degrade the contact07:09
tore_also it happens when a charging cable is connected07:10
andybransonswiss bus tickets ftw07:10
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* pahartik_ notices that "Sailfish Linux 1.1.7.28" has configuration dialog to change between physical keyboard layouts, but switching between "English" and "Finnish" seems to have no effect07:32
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PaulePanterHi. My touch screen on the Jolla phone seems damaged.07:32
Nicd-pahartik_: using tohkbd? you need 1.1.907:32
pahartik_Nicd-: This is with "Logitech K811"07:34
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PaulePanterEspecially at the spot where the connect button for new WLANs is, so I am unable to connect. :(07:36
PaulePanterIs there another way to set up a WLAN connection, where maybe the button is at a different spot?07:36
kimmolipahartik_: it is not working on 1.1.7.28, in 1.1.9.* it should work. (also with BT keyboard)07:37
PaulePanterDo I need to send my phone in for repair?07:38
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pahartik_kimmoli: Acknowledged, just upgraded to this version during night07:43
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andybransonPaulePanter: has your phone been physically damaged? did you do a very cold reset (shut down, remove battery, have a cup of tea, replace battery)?07:55
Pawkyam I the only one with the oppinion Jollas website is a perfekt example of a horrible user unfriendly site?07:58
Pawkyits totally bonkers and screams "we do not want you here unless you buy something"07:58
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PaulePanterandybranson: It was dropped once a long time ago. But after that everything worked and it only stopped behaving weiredly now.07:59
PaulePanterPawky: URL?07:59
Pawkywww.jolla.com ?08:00
PaulePanterPawky: Hmm, there is the navigation bar at the top.08:00
Pawkyyes, but imagine you want to contact support by example...08:00
PaulePanterPawky: I am not there that often, but I didn’t have the feeling that it is unfriendly.08:00
Pawkytry it..08:00
PaulePanterPawky: Leads me to https://jolla.com/support/.08:01
Pawkythen try to login to your account, and figure out where you can look at your open issues08:01
Pawkyyes... so how do you contact them... by phone for example?08:01
PaulePanterhttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us08:01
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PaulePanterPawky: No idea. I do not know if they offer phone support.08:02
Pawkymaybe not... but what do they offer, can you clearly see it?08:02
Pawkyyou only get some common QA's08:02
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Pawkyso.. you might have an account (if lucky)... now you want to quickly access it. Where to go?08:02
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PaulePanterPawky: I see. Sorry, I am unable to help you here.08:03
PawkyPaulePanter: there you go then, you have just proven my point :-D08:03
PawkyThe only way (I have found at least) to actually go and login to your current open tickets is to click support, then scroll down find a red box  further down saying "Visit our help senter" (which doesnt really look like something to be pressed), and then you get to log in.08:06
PawkySo, you sign in... ok? what to do now.. where are my open tickets?08:07
Pawkyyou have to actually click on your own name (a pull down) where you find "My activities"... What activities? when is one ever to talk about tickets as activities??...08:08
Pawkythere you will find your tickets, with the subject text being in light turquose against a white background. not to easy to read.08:09
PawkyI presume they must have had some summer apprentice working there when creating this site..08:10
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dr_gogeta86http://reviewjolla.blogspot.it/2015/10/news-update-sailfish-os-secure-phone.html12:23
dr_gogeta86so exist the successor of sbj-130112:23
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tbrmeh, bunch of hot air12:47
kimmolitbr: depends is it "hot as fart" or "afterburner hot"12:48
tbrkimmoli: in both cases I wouldn't want to stand too close to that. ;-þ12:49
kimmoliit is kinda mandatory, in case if it's your own fart12:50
tbrsailfish smoke, don't breathe! </mr-blendtec>12:50
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lainwir3dhaha13:20
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pdanekSailfish Secure17:32
pdanekthe hype!!!17:32
Coolg33k?17:32
dirkvlOMG17:32
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pdanek:D17:32
dirkvlit is so amazing17:32
dirkvlso much info about it17:33
Stskeepsdirkvl: sailfish secure is obviously everything you want it to be17:33
pdanekComparing to info Jolla / Sailfish info in general, yes it is. :D17:33
Tegudoes this imply that the normal sailfish is insecure?17:33
dirkvlha!17:33
dirkvlyes it does17:33
pdanekTegu: everyone knows it's insecure17:33
Tegu:)17:34
dirkvlhttp://www.vdkroft.nl/now/c_images/external/4905.jpg17:34
Tegu?17:34
pdanekTegu: that's representation of security of SFOS17:35
Teguah17:35
Tegu:)17:35
dirkvlholes17:35
dirkvlleak17:35
TeguI see17:35
Tegunow17:35
pdanekmaybe they claim that they don't spy, so better privacy17:35
pdanekbut same you can get with custom roms in android17:36
pdanekand get much better security17:36
dirkvlyeah17:36
dirkvlandroid ´secure´17:36
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dirkvl:p17:36
pdanekwho wants secure OS, SFOS isn't it :D17:36
pdanekI'm even surprised, why SElinux wasn't from the very beginning?17:37
pdanekif new OS from scratch, why avoid RBAC?17:37
pdaneknow it takes much more work to bring it to existing OS in production without impact17:37
pdanekyou don't need experts from SSH Communications to implement RBAC in Sailfish I guess17:38
pdanekbut that's more question to Stskeeps regarding Mer maybe :D17:39
Stskeeps'it seemed like a good idea at the time'17:40
tbryou mean "mer still merging after almost two years"?17:40
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r0kk3rzsurely there comes a point where its not 'merging' anymore and its more 'stalled'17:48
Stskeepswell, stalled is not the case atm, lbt's working hard: All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace17:49
Stskeepserr.. no17:50
Stskeepshttps://git.merproject.org/dashboard/activity17:50
Stskeepswhile i'm obviously fucking about and watching documentaries17:50
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* lbt points to http://www.merproject.org/dash2//repo/merproject.org/mer-core.html too17:50
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r0kk3rzThe Use and Abuse of Vegetational Concepts17:53
r0kk3rztheres a heading i didnt expect to find17:53
r0kk3rzthanks Stskeeps17:53
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ppselinux alone doesn't help, you have trustzone, tpm and all that lovelyness18:12
pp+ in the end what you're worried about are ipsec keys that shouldn't leak out of the device (that let you say find all personal details for any citizen or whatnot)18:13
Stskeepsif you guys are bored, watch https://recode.net/2015/10/07/microsofts-collapse-and-facebooks-mobile-domination-in-two-charts/ (the video a little further down)18:13
ppor in another sector, set coordinates for some ordnance to be delivered to18:14
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r0kk3rzi still think perhaps the root of it all is the fact that we want to run applications which we don't trust for the sake of convenience18:25
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rigor0kk3rz: yes, like android apps. Sandbox them and give users control over that sandbox19:11
rigomost people I know would know what to do. They know that their calendar app doesn't need internet. So give them a way to cut it off19:12
rigothe thing that will never ever work is that devs here can anticipate all the uses and security considerations needed by all the folks out there wanting to use the device19:13
rigobut jolla can provide nice building blocks, like lego19:13
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r0kk3rzrigo: i dont think that solves the fundamental issue though, which is using untrustworthy applications19:15
r0kk3rzbecause otherwise it just turns into a bit of an arms race19:16
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Yaniel...my calendar does need internet though19:29
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phlixiyep, mine too. it actually does not make any sense without. on the other hand, it only needs exactly one URL19:49
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