#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2015-10-20

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tiwakestill waiting to get email for tablet shipping04:14
tiwake:-x04:14
tiwake(not that I'm complaining)04:14
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HelleI could do with getting my tablet, don't want to return my phone for repairs until I get my tablet in04:50
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sakustar#canYouCallWithIt?05:18
tiwakemy cellphone crashes every once in a while05:18
Hellesakustar: no05:19
sakustaralso, why do they make most android tablets unable to use phone features05:19
Hellesakustar: the calling problem is easily solved with an old phone and a microSIM to miniSIM holder05:19
tiwakeI think its cause I flashed it with a dev build first, thought it was stable. also I was supposed to set it to factory defaults first.05:19
Hellebut I want to continue doing development05:19
sakustar:)05:21
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taaemSo still no news from Intex? Or Jolla Devices? Or Somebody else?11:10
ppSSH!11:12
taaempp: mmh but only soonᵀᴹ11:15
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taaembut the secure stuff is nice11:28
cos-walokra: can't find upload button again on sailimgur.. what was the trick?11:31
lainwir3dssh ? what news ?11:41
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tbrlainwir3d: that fanboy blog published an "interview" with some SSH person. fluffy pr words ensued11:43
lainwir3dhaha11:44
entilgot a link? I'd forgotten about the whole thing11:44
chem|stpp: they need to come up with something that rocks PRIV and Passport their socks off!11:44
chem|sttbr: got my BSbingo just fine on it11:49
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PaulePanterHi. In the new Sailfish OS release I am able to double tap on the empty screen and the four (favorite) icon applications show up at the bottom.12:57
PaulePanterAs soon as one application is open, that does not work anymore.12:58
PaulePanterHow can I make the four icons at the bottom visible?12:58
TemeVwell, you can't12:59
the_mgtclose all applications12:59
PaulePanterIs that a bug or a design decision?12:59
TemeVafaik design choise13:00
the_mgtPaulePanter: but you are able to bring up the apps menu on every screen now, with a slide from the bottom13:01
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PaulePanterTemeV: As it’s inconsistent, I don’t like it.13:07
PaulePanterthe_mgt: The animation takes longer to change the whole screen.13:07
TemeVPaulePanter: yeah, not my favorite feature either13:08
PaulePanterThank you all for the help!13:08
coderusPaulePanter: you can open application grid from any application now13:08
coderusyou dont really need to use that quick access bar13:09
TemeVcoderus: that was said like 8 minutes ago :)13:09
PaulePantercoderus: < PaulePanter> the_mgt: The animation takes longer to change the whole screen.13:09
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coderusPaulePanter: what animation you talking about?13:17
PaulePantercoderus: Sliding up of the screen with all the application icons.13:19
coderussliding up takes same time with sliding to side13:26
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coderusget used to13:26
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PaulePantercoderus: Well, what other choice do I have? So, thanks for your answer, though it’s not so helpful.13:27
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coderusyou should use it as is or stay on onld release and never post questions again then :)13:49
coderusold*13:49
PaulePantercoderus: Just for my interest, are you a Jolla employee?13:58
coderusPaulePanter: no14:04
coderusi don't care if you like sailfishos or not14:04
coderusi like it myself and it's enough for me :)14:04
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kimmoliimo the app launcher swipe animation is not slow at all, about as fast as your finger.14:10
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fluxI guess it depends on the finger. seems slower than my finger.. ;)14:12
PaulePanterExactly.14:13
fluxbut I have time to wait the 0.3 seconds it takes.14:14
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PaulePanterThis adds up over time. Most animations are only “useful” the first few times. After that they just waste time. At least I want to work efficiently with my phone.14:15
LarstiQPaulePanter, flux: is the animation slow, or do you have to wait a while before you can trigger it?14:15
noumeIf you have patchmanager installed try the "enhanced lockscreen" patch. It will disable or accelerate many animations14:16
PaulePanterLarstiQ: Please rephrase.14:16
fluxlarstiq, it triggers fine14:16
PaulePanternoume: Thanks. I didn’t know about patchmanager.14:16
LarstiQPaulePanter: I double-tap, wait 8 seconds, then swip and it comes up immediately14:16
fluxit just takes some time to go from te beginning to the end14:16
LarstiQPaulePanter: if I wait 4 seconds, it doesn't trigger14:17
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fluxie. when I trigger the transition and lift my finger up, it still takes maybe 0.2 seconds for the transition to finish14:17
noumePaulePanter: you're welcome14:17
LarstiQflux: hmm, I can't count that fast :) It seems quicker than that though14:18
fluxwell, I would need a camera to measure it ;)14:18
fluxI guess some of the XML files has the number of seconds it takes.14:18
kimmoliQML file, NumberAnimation or something like that14:20
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fluxoops, right :-)14:58
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cehtehah16:21
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cehtehis it meanwhile possible to do disc encryption on the jolla?16:22
coderuscehteh: on phone no16:26
coderuson tablet should be possible16:26
tbrmanually, maybe, but you might need to jump through hoops16:26
cehtehyes i meant phone and from UI16:27
cehtehi know how to do it manually but thats some major pita16:27
cehtehhad hopes that the phones which ship with os 2.0 now have it16:27
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coderuscehteh: no16:29
coderusphones with Sailfish Secure (tm) shipped in 2018 will have it16:29
cehtehuhm .. is the phone out of stock?16:29
coderussomwhere yes16:29
cehtehhaha just when i am up to buy one16:30
cehtehah no found it16:30
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chem|stcehteh: no can do, but apart of manual CIA mmc magic noone can access the internal storage as long as a lock code is set16:56
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cehtehhi chem|st .. and how about the SD card?16:57
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cehtehi dont have the device yet .. but as my expericence from the n900, if the os shipped with support for full disc encryption or ecryptfs it would be much easier than hacking that in afterwards16:59
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fluxmaybe the part asking the password would be the most tricky17:06
r0kk3rzcehteh: you can format the sdcard to whatever you want, although via command line17:06
r0kk3rzthere is a UI coming for sdcard formattage though afaik17:06
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r0kk3rzmostly as a result of the exFat debacle17:07
cehtehformatting is not the problem . question is mounting supports that17:07
cehtehi'd prolly go with f2fs or ext4 on the sdcard, who needs extra fat crap anyway17:08
r0kk3rzcehteh: some setup may be required for that17:08
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cehtehhow is auhtentication and stuff done. i guess pam is not used there17:08
r0kk3rzauthentication of what, exactly?17:08
cehtehlockcode ... for example17:09
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coderusсproprietary :)17:09
cehtehauthenification of the user against the device17:10
cehtehcrap17:10
coderusso crap :)17:10
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chem|stcehteh: you can crypt the sdcard, if you want a UI to it you have to devel one, apart from that, you could probably put a key on the device and have it opened and automounted23:14
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chem|stcehteh: ext4 on sd is fine, f2fs probably too (did not check)23:16
chem|stcehteh: other authentication methods would require networking as stuff like NFC are not possible23:18
chem|stcehteh: we are waiting for sailfish-secure for all of that or most of it23:20
cehtehi just ordered the device .. lets see then23:24
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