#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2015-10-22

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SHIHUAhello00:16
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tiwaketo anyone who likes space games... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/309114309/infinity-battlescape00:44
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Yanielwho doesn't06:08
Hartzilooks nice06:18
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Tomoyeah, seems like a nice project06:22
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Accecool, wish they reach their stretch goals.. Even more cool if they will have ships operated by multiple persons in a team07:00
Sail0r?07:04
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ArmadilloSail0r https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/309114309/infinity-battlescape07:22
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Fuslis someone aware if 1.1.9.28 breaks android support completely when trying to delete an android app?07:52
Fusli had several android apps installed, tried to delete one (by long pressing on the icon and clicking the X), about half a minute later all other icons disappeared and dalvik service doesn't want to start anymore07:52
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FuslAndroid™ Support*, Android™ App*, Android™ Apps*07:54
SHIHUAreboot your service.07:54
Fusli did, several times now07:54
SHIHUAor,try more07:54
SHIHUAuse the utilities07:55
FuslSystem > Android™ Support07:56
Fuslthat's where i am07:56
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Fuslit's stopped, clicking Start doesn't do anything and returns to stopped state again07:56
stephgFusl: that shouldn't happen07:57
SHIHUAtry to reboot phone agains.07:57
stephgdo you have developermode enabled?07:57
Fuslstephg: i do07:58
FuslSHIHUA: i rebooted once again now07:58
Fuslmaybe 2 times was not enough already07:58
stephgI would stop and start it via the terminal, and check the journal07:58
stephgif it's failing to start it'll say why in the logs07:58
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SHIHUAif it's not work.you can uninstall divik. and install it again07:59
SHIHUAFusl: uninstall divik.07:59
Fuslstephg: journalctl -f, right?08:00
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Fuslhttps://scr.meo.ws/paste/2015-10-22-10-01-18-XvPyLmj1.txt08:01
Fuslthat#s the log output of journalctl -f when trying to start it08:01
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SHIHUAi think  just uninstall divik and install it again.08:08
FuslSHIHUA: how?08:09
SHIHUAFusl: in app store. uninstall dilvik08:10
stephgFusl: -af yeah08:13
stephgsorry got to go to work bbl08:13
SHIHUAit's esay to do through store.08:14
SHIHUAif you can't do it in terminal.08:15
FuslSHIHUA: nope, still not working08:17
Fuslremoved, rebooted, installed08:17
lainwir3do/08:20
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SHIHUAFusl: er,sorry.I don't know how to do.08:21
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SHIHUAI'm not good at Linux.08:22
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the_mgtlainwir3d: is there a regular java vm on the tablet? or is it possible to install one?08:45
lainwir3dDon't know08:45
lainwir3dI'll check08:45
the_mgtmerde08:45
the_mgtah, merci08:45
lainwir3dBut I guess it should be the same as on the phone08:46
lainwir3dis there one on the phone ?08:46
lainwir3dde rien :P08:46
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lainwir3dthe_mgt: doesn't look like it. pkcon search name java doesn't return anything08:49
lainwir3dneither jvm / jre08:49
the_mgthm, that's sad08:49
the_mgthave you tried what happens if you install and run a "regular" linux gui app?08:50
the_mgtI wonder if everything has to be appified in order to be usable08:50
dr_gogeta86the_mgt, regular java wants a X11 Display08:50
dr_gogeta86so you need to provide it08:50
fluxxwayland should be reasonable to run on jolla?08:51
the_mgthurray for portability08:51
dr_gogeta86runs but not input08:51
fluxwhy not input?08:51
dr_gogeta86https://together.jolla.com/question/36877/how-do-you-run-an-x-application-remotely-or-locally/08:52
dr_gogeta86giucam, can you explain us why ?08:52
fluxin addition to xwayland surely there are wayland-based vnc clients, so you could run Xvnc and a vnc client for it.. :-)08:52
giucamdr_gogeta86: why what?08:53
dr_gogeta86even rdp clients08:53
dr_gogeta86giucam, i've run a wayland application08:53
dr_gogeta86display goes fine but not input at all08:53
lainwir3dthe_mgt: well, as long as "regular" apps don't support wayland I guess running them will be quite troublesome08:53
the_mgtso the benefit of a x86 system is circumvented by having the ugly stepsister of a display manager?08:54
giucamdr_gogeta86: i don't know, check the log with WAYLAND_DEBUG=108:54
lainwir3dI don't think x86 has anything to do here. Most open source apps would probably run fine is good circonstances08:55
stephgthe_mgt: well depends which one you think is the ugly one. I know which one I'd prefer going forward08:55
lainwir3dhehe08:56
dr_gogeta86giucam, i've just compiled freerdp wayland client08:56
lainwir3d(I meant, would probably run fine with arm)08:56
dr_gogeta86got display working but no imput at all08:56
fluxmaybe freerdp doesn't support touch events?08:57
dr_gogeta86apart you need to modify the client or wrap it to enter characters via mallit08:57
giucamdr_gogeta86: i still don't know. you need to look at the protocol messages08:57
giucamif touch events are being sent08:57
dr_gogeta86https://github.com/FreeRDP/FreeRDP/tree/master/client/Wayland08:58
dr_gogeta86giucam, i'm a total noob in wayland ...08:58
dr_gogeta86i've just tried to compile it08:58
dr_gogeta86and wasn't a pice of cake08:58
lainwir3dcake...08:58
lainwir3dgood job dr_gogeta86, now I'm hungry08:58
the_mgtlainwir3d: well, the benefit of having x86 would be, that some larger programms might run without bigger modifications. but if you have to work around x issues...08:58
dr_gogeta86X must die08:59
lainwir3dreally large programs maybe, but well, yeah. X...08:59
lainwir3dHonestly, I'm really happy Sailfish went with wayland08:59
the_mgtyeah, also initV and then we nuke the kernel08:59
tbrhas anyone heard of further tax payment notifications being sent?08:59
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lainwir3dAnd nowadays, Qt supports wayland, GTK3 support waylands I think09:00
lainwir3dand others toolkit just needs to die too09:00
lainwir3d(or improve)09:00
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Fusl:309:37
Tofelainwir3d: but then, how would I play xbill ?09:38
lainwir3dhaha09:40
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the_mgtcurrently I only get notifications for 3 out of 6 email accounts. the other 3 are all the same domain/mailserver and the emails get fetched, but no notification shows up. any clues on how to fix that?10:12
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jubo2http://www.industrytap.com/forget-touchscreens-control-gadgets-using-hand-gestures/3195910:29
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jubo2prediction: 3D gesture will be the norm way to control audio and maybe some other things10:29
jubo2not replacing touch gesture and touchpad but compliment10:30
jubo2I suggest you get on the train as an early adopter10:30
ggabrielsounds like what sammy does with their "smart" tv's but with a different sensor10:36
ggabrielor meego's airui, again different sensor10:37
ggabrielshame that airui didn't take off10:37
tbrITYM harmattan not meego10:38
jubo2I know I previously suggested here doing it with 2x webcams10:43
jubo2but radar is much better10:43
jubo2less sploits then with 2 cameras10:44
jubo2and with radar it will strain the CPU and battery much less10:44
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jubo2ggabriel: the hand gesture sensor will likely be built onto the top side of the remote control10:49
jubo2for TV and stereo10:50
jubo2not into the TV10:50
jubo210 yrs from now people won't belive we used to control audio playback with anything else than hand gestures10:50
jubo2but a child could see this10:51
ggabrieltbr: i sit down corrected ;)10:51
jubo2and in the land of the engineer one doesn't get paid to see stuff that a child could see10:51
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jonwilI recon Nintendo was about 2 decades too early with the Power Glove11:40
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the_mgtso you are having private time with your lady in front of the tv set/hifi set and suddenly the music switches from ambient to death metall, because a hand gesture was misinterpreted...11:46
the_mgtI can clearly see why I would want to prefer that over a button/touch input11:47
ggabrielhahahahaha11:47
ggabriel"no, no, NO, don't go there in the browser history"11:47
taaemhttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2015/10/news-sailfish-india-launch-set-to-2016.html11:48
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the_mgtI guess the same is true for voice control11:48
taaeminteresting11:48
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the_mgtI wonder why they never release such infos prior or in time to the userbase11:50
eugenioSailfish Store? That seems a rebranded Android app store...11:50
Stskeepsremember the audience there11:50
Stskeepsthat's a BRICS meeting of communication ministers.11:50
the_mgt"people powered" and all, it is still "we do business behind closed doors, you will eventually find out and left with more question than before. now shut up and go away"11:50
Stskeepsto present an idea11:51
Stskeepsthe_mgt: you'd be amazed by the number of NDAs in this business, not that it's an excuse11:51
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the_mgteither there is an NDA or you give a press conference11:51
taaemStskeeps: but there weren't any official news since MWC11:51
ggabrielnda's are a perfectly valid excuse :P11:51
Stskeepsnot to mention that when you're doing business for a customer, the factual products are well, marketed and announced by customer11:52
Stskeeps:P11:52
Stskeepsanyway, that's not really the point of those slides11:52
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the_mgtStskeeps: the problem is this "we love you, give us your money, we will deliver a tablet to you in six month" & people powered rethorics mixed with business decisions behind closed doors whihc are not communicated via proper channels to the people who powered the company with their money. and who see nothing but sorry excuses11:55
ggabrielwow, well, I don't subscribe to the_mgt's opinion fwiw11:55
Stskeepsthe_mgt: well, i'd personally love a world where we could all speak freely about everything11:56
ggabrielclosed doors isn't such a bad thing11:56
Stskeepsthat's just not the mobile world today. go to a chinese ODM and have them allow you to say that they fucked up - never going to happen11:56
Stskeepsloss of face, etc11:56
the_mgtmarc left, split up between hardware and software, f-secure cloud deal failed. what's happening with HERE and SSH deals. etc. you have to fish infos from around the web, probably from dubious sources. that makes everything worse than saying nothing in the first place11:57
Stskeepswell, f-secure cloud, who would want to host in a american owned company anyway? :)11:57
Stskeepsmarc is in a much happier place now for him, doing good, advising startups11:58
Stskeepsit's about going where your dreams take you11:58
StskeepsHERE .. we have HERE licensed maps?11:58
the_mgtand HERE now belongs to german car manufacturers11:58
Stskeepsand?11:58
Yanielyou sure have been advertising HERE maps11:58
the_mgtdoes that impact the chances of getting offline navigation?11:59
StskeepsYaniel: yeah it was more rhetoric11:59
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Stskeepsthe_mgt: their apis never allowed offline navigation anyway, afaik11:59
Stskeepsand there's plenty of dubious sources since gosh, people speculate11:59
the_mgtthe android app is offline11:59
Stskeepssure, but that's their offering11:59
Stskeepsbest thing we could do is to bundle the android app, but we wanted a native offering11:59
Stskeepsand they don't provide offline maps nor navigation over api12:00
the_mgtso, now, explain in terms my mom would understand, why you are able to offer the one in the jolla aptoid store while we can't have the other in the jolla native app12:00
the_mgtthat is what PR is for12:00
ggabrielif anything, the fact that here belongs to somebody else, i'd think there's room for improvement, maybe they'll listen more than nokia12:00
Stskeepsthe_mgt: i don't know if your mom is a rocket scientist or dropped out of primary schol12:01
Stskeeps+o12:01
the_mgtthen expect the latter and try anyway12:01
taaemjust give us a new phone and  i am happy :p12:02
Stskeepsthe_mgt: that aptoide has their own sources and feeds of apps and we don't preinstall or pre-provide here maps application since it'd likely increase the SW BOM significantly?12:02
Stskeepspartnerships doesn't mean things come for free :)12:02
the_mgtBOM and mom does rhyme, but it does not make for a propper explanation. I do not expect you to give one to me, I just want to tell you what I am thinking12:03
the_mgtyeah, see. giving you my money for a product that was announced to be deliverd in may does not come for free either12:03
stephgthe_mgt: why doesn't it? why is it a surprise that different vendors would have different agreements from each other?12:03
Stskeepsthe_mgt: did you have a chance to see the tablet in person yet?12:04
the_mgtthat is not the point. the point is giving money to a company that keeps announcing interesting stuff while it "hides" facts from me12:05
ggabrielthe_mgt: it sounds like you aren't prepared to deal with the risks that entail contributing to any kickstarter/indiegogo campaign12:05
Stskeepsthe_mgt: then don't next time, if it doesn't rhyme with your beliefs12:05
Stskeepsi don't buy apple phones for that reason12:05
ggabrielin contrast, you can preorder google/apple stuff... I'm sure they're 100% open and honest with everybody <end of sarcasm>12:05
the_mgtwith apple, it is the other way around. they announce a fancy phone and then you pay and then they deliver12:06
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Stskeepsi hope you'll like the device once you get it. there's been a lot of love and attention put into it.12:06
Stskeepsand yes, hardware is hard12:06
* Stskeeps looks at expensive huawei phone with bulging battery12:08
lainwir3dI don't get it, are you talking about there or here ?12:09
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Coolgeekhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/carbonfiber-casing-for-the-jolla-tablet#/12:12
lainwir3dhmmm, might not make it12:13
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Stskeepshttps://www.fairphone.com/2015/10/22/jolla-community-working-on-sailfish-os-for-the-fairphone-2/12:19
taaem\o/12:22
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tadzikhmm, looks nice12:24
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SfietKonstantinWwell done porters people !12:37
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sledgesthanks:)12:42
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Hartzi--b12:51
tillnice. so there might be a chance that aliendalvik will work on the fairphone 2 as well once it's an official os for the phone?12:52
tadzikirc: unrecognized option '--b'12:52
Nicd-till: no12:52
Stskeepstill: not even a theoretical ability12:52
Stskeepsas in, it'll likely work12:52
tadzik...huh12:52
Stskeepsbut no promises on availability12:52
Nicd-till: it's not an official OS for thep hone12:52
tadzikwhat makes aliendalvik tricky?12:52
ggabrielit costs money :P12:52
tadzikhah! Fair enough :)12:53
ggabrielit'd be nice to have the option tho12:53
ggabrielaliendalvik and here maps (native)12:53
till"The overall aim of our collaboration with Jolla is to be able to offer the full Sailfish OS experience directly to our customers."12:53
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tadzikI didn't know aliendalvik and here are JP-1301-exclusives12:53
tillisn't android app support part of "the full Sailfish OS experience"?12:53
ggabrieltill: but that's fairphone...12:53
Stskeepstill: i'd certainly think so12:54
ggabrielwell, fairphone will have to license it12:54
tadziktill: yeah, I'd think so12:54
Nicd-till: after that they say "community version" "best-effort" "we will only offer support for Fairphone OS"12:54
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Hartzitadzik: --b is same than (y) (thumb up)12:54
tillNicd- in the first place, yes. as I understood it12:54
tadzikah !:)12:54
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tadzikI didn't see it at first, now it seems obvious12:54
tadziklike o/12:55
Hartziyup :D12:55
Hartzi--p thump down12:55
hzpHmm.  All of a sudden (i.e. after rebooting for a SIM card change) my phone doesn't boot into any kind of UI.  There's a Jolla logo, and then the screen stays blank with the little LED glowing white; over USB there's just mass storage visible.12:55
hzpNot knowing better, I tried btrfs recovery, but that didn't change anything.  Do I need to reset to factory state?12:55
Stskeepshzp: mass storage visible sounds really weird12:56
Stskeepsas we only export MTP12:56
tbrStskeeps: might be a null size USBMAS device to enable charging?12:59
Stskeepsfairly sure we don't12:59
HelleStskeeps: it reliable blinks past usb mass storage12:59
HelleStskeeps: but i think it's in the bootloader12:59
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hzpThat could also just be me misinterpreting dmesg...  I'm not sure what MTP would look like there.  "[3017330.945519] usb-storage 1-10:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected", then something about "Direct-Access     Linux    File-CD Gadget"13:02
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Hellehzp: nope, that is actually USB MSD identifier, it's also what I am referring to13:07
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hzpOh dear, okay.  Should have been obvious (hindsight and everything).  Once upon a time I had added the sdcard to fstab without noauto, so it refuses to boot to the UI if mounting that fails.  Good to know, and easy to fix!  Sorry for the noise.13:13
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caitlinbLate to the party, mind if I lurk a little?13:16
Nicd-you don't have to ask for permission to be on the channel :)13:16
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Stskeepscaitlinb: lurking is fine13:18
caitlinbawesomesauce13:19
Nicd-but talking is forbidden!13:21
Nicd-;)13:21
caitlinbI might sneak some talk unless you -v me13:22
Nicd-all talking about jolla and the ecosystem is encouraged :)13:22
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stephg^^this13:24
caitlinbwhat about wittering about failing to caldav properly? :P13:25
Stskeepsthat is a surprisingily often conversation topic13:26
ggabrielreminds me i need to make my caldav work13:26
caitlinbyes, i had gathered this :/13:26
caitlinbi had my contacts for a bit, but never a sniff of my calender13:26
ggabrielcaitlinb: which server do you use, out of curiosity?13:27
caitlinbBaïkal apparently13:28
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eugenioso 1.1.9.3013:34
eugenionow we only need 2.0.0.10 :)13:34
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Nicd-1.1.9.30?13:35
eugeniohttps://together.jolla.com/question/107685/release-notes-119eineheminlampi-released/13:35
Nicd-ooh, patch13:36
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lainwir3d:13:37
lainwir3d:o13:37
tadzikyay, stability improvements!13:37
tadzikhopefully now the Phone app won't crash when someone's calling :P13:37
eugeniowell, only PackageKit and store-client changed13:37
Nicd-tadzik: only "Small update to correct configurations to facilitate the update to 2.0.0.10"13:37
tadzikit was like that sometimes. "Oh hey, look, someone's calling. Shame you can't answer..."13:37
lainwir3dlol13:37
lainwir3dupdating both tablet & phone \o/13:37
tadziknoice13:38
lainwir3d3MB13:39
lainwir3dlol13:39
tadzik"not enough memory"13:39
tadzikI, um, huh13:39
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KaIRChmm, that bug above reminds me of my own phone - but then I'm using a nightly version of Firefox OS, where everything can happen, and haven't had that for a long time13:40
KaIRCfun to see issues like that exist on other OSes as well ;-)13:40
lainwir3dlol, nice to see the difference of behaviour between phone with btrfs and tablet13:42
lainwir3don the phone "start optimising filesystem before update"13:42
lainwir3don tablet "start update"13:42
the_mgtyou got an update already?! lucky bastard!13:45
the_mgtwhats the fs on the tablet?13:46
lainwir3dwell, 3MB update :-/13:46
lainwir3dthe_mgt: lvm + ext413:46
the_mgtsounds sane13:46
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lainwir3dtrue13:46
lainwir3dless fun, but sane13:46
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Tofehop, phone updated.14:07
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Coolgeekis it in ea ?14:09
lainwir3dHope the next big update will follow soon14:11
TofeColgate: no idea, but I am14:11
lainwir3dCoolgeek: don't think so, it's not mentionned on TJC14:11
Tegu*insert soon picture with the cat*14:11
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Tofeoops. was targetting Coolgeek :)14:12
Coolgeekjust checked on my phone but no update showed up14:12
Coolgeekand I'm not in ea14:12
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lainwir3dTegu: this one ? http://i.imgur.com/bdYtW.gif14:12
Teguif it's not an ea release, I guess they still roll it out gradually14:13
Tegulainwir3d: nope, I did not think of that one14:13
Tegubut yours actually fit better14:15
Tegubut this one anyway http://www.iizcat.com/uploads/2014/05/vdl2g-soon3.jpg14:16
eugenioea14:16
eugeniothey have just updated the release notes mentioning that14:16
eugenio:D14:16
Tegu:D14:16
till2.0 is out14:17
chem|sttill: ?14:18
chem|sttill: 2.0 is out for weeks now14:18
lainwir3dTegu: haha, yeah yours looks a bit evil14:19
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lainwir3dwoah, wait what14:19
lainwir3dchem|st: REAL 2.0  !14:19
lainwir3dhttps://together.jolla.com/question/116056/release-notes-200saimaa-early-access/14:20
tillnope, 1.1.9 was out14:20
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eugenio\o/14:20
Tegusaimaa? woah! I always wanted them to use some big name like that on a big update!14:21
tillalthough my jolla isn't finding it yet14:21
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* eugenio disables patches14:22
Teguwhy the small update in between though?14:22
chem|stlainwir3d: semantics14:22
eugenioTegu, I guess there were some problems upgrading from older releases14:23
chem|stlainwir3d: 1.1.9 is as real 2.0 as it gets, 2.0.0 is just a bugfix :D14:23
Teguoki14:23
tillanyone got an update notification for 2.0 so far?14:24
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lainwir3dchem|st: yeah, but don't underestimate real round number mind influence14:24
Teguaww "Week 1 for year 2016 added (week 53 of 2015 had caused a conflct)"14:25
lainwir3d"My phone feels smoother" comments incoming14:25
eugenio"battery drains faster"14:25
lainwir3dhaha14:25
Tegulainwir3d: or "this is bad". oh well, then the "soon." picture would work. the cat is users that hate the changes, ready to attack the update (the dog)14:26
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lainwir3d:)14:27
ggabrielsaimaa14:27
ggabrielfirst time i can type the lake name14:27
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lainwir3dtill: got it. 2.0 EA update14:28
Tegubut yea, the 1.1.9 kinda makes this 2.0 "Saimaa" a bit more lame14:28
lainwir3dFor both tablet and phone14:28
xfade_Should be available for both now14:28
Teguif 1.1.9 would have been 2.0 and Saimaa, it would have been bigger and matches better14:29
tilllainwir3d: me too :)14:29
eugeniogot it too :)14:29
lainwir3dyay \o/14:29
lainwir3dLet pop open a bottle of whisky14:29
chem|stTegu: did you read the release notes? changelog? Reads like this is the actual upgrade, the other was just the UI change14:29
lainwir3dlet's*14:29
Teguchem|st: oh, sry, didn't yet :( then I stand corrected14:30
Teguand btw for the ones that do not know, Saimaa is the largest lake in Finland. so it's quite heavy to name to update the like that14:30
tilli'll need to go to a less cowded access point :)14:30
lainwir3dguys, stop downloading that update, it slows down my update download :-|14:31
Tegupls set up torrents for the download14:31
chem|stTegu: should have saved it for 3.0 when they revert everything back to 1.0+adding more gestures14:31
Tegu:P well, they still have lakes like Päijänne.. though it's not as large, but large anyway14:31
chem|stTegu: a marine corp. called its third ship Donau as they thought they wont go any bigger... all vessels after that are bigger14:33
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lainwir3d"problem with store" -_-, too much people downloading maybe ?14:33
kidwho knows what's in store? ;) (sorry :))14:34
lainwir3d:)14:34
chem|stlainwir3d: doubt it14:34
Teguchem|st: haha, what is donau btw?14:35
chem|stTegu: Danube in english...14:36
Teguah, okay, a river14:36
eugeniodoesn't seem to work here either14:37
eugeniohmm14:37
chem|stif you don't count russia to Europe it is the longest river in Europe (if you do it is the second still)14:37
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Lieke_2.0 download isn't progressing at all :/14:44
lainwir3dsame here14:45
Plntsame here. i successfully updated to 1.1.9.30 but now when i hit check for updates it hangs on "Checking for updates..."14:45
Stskeepsxfade_: ^14:46
eugenioI had problem with store when it was calculating the update size14:46
eugenioI noticed that the ssu release was re-set to latest14:46
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eugeniothe update began, but got stuck at the repo-enabling phase (at least looking at pkmon)14:48
eugeniokilled store-client, removed the os-info file, rebooted and now the phone is stuck at the Checking for updates phase :)14:49
coderusmaybe sync is not yet completed? :D14:49
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ggabrielhttp://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/38223747.jpg14:50
ggabriel(just a thought)14:50
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eugeniohaha14:51
Stskeepshold on a bit guys :)14:51
eugenioI'm reading the release notes in the meantime :)14:51
lainwir3dhold... hold what ? no :-(14:51
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lainwir3dCan't... work... anymore. *refresh* *refresh*14:51
xfade_lainwir3d: A bit of patience still, we're fixing the repos atm ;)14:52
lainwir3dxfade_: hehe, no problem. :-) Thanks for the hard work14:52
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eugenioseems to work now :D15:00
xfade_lainwir3d: try that refreshing magic again :)15:00
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caitlinbhmm, so 1.1.9.28 is NOT sailfish 2.0 ?15:05
coderus2.0.0.10 is real 2.015:05
coderus1.1.9.28/30 is pre 2.015:05
Stskeepsthe marketing names and version names weren't aligned15:06
caitlinbcheeky, they promised me i’d be getting 2.0 on my delayed shipped phone15:06
lainwir3dxfade_: my phone just exploded. Was that a trap ? ;-)15:06
caitlinbsemi 2.0 is thing, i guess15:06
lainwir3don a more serious note, it works now :P15:06
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Stskeepslainwir3d: you had tablet too right?15:06
lainwir3dor not, seems like we got a netsplit provoked by the update lol15:07
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Teguwell, isn't windows 10 something like 6.3 (whatever version was that, kernel? NT??15:07
lainwir3dStskeeps: yes, restarted the download as it was stuck. Seems to be ok now.15:07
Stskeepslainwir3d: ok, let me know how it improves15:07
tillmy update is downloading15:08
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lainwir3dStskeeps: performance wise ? Or everything wise ?15:08
Stskeepslainwir3d: yeah perf15:08
Teguhm, I guess I could update to 1.1.9. now that the store has enough load15:08
lainwir3dalright15:09
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lainwir3dStskeeps: by the way. Never had that stuff with the screen happen again. Guess I had a bit of bad luck ?15:10
Stskeepslainwir3d: must have been a bug15:10
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TMavicadownloading15:11
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tillinstalling...15:13
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TMavicahow come..downloading half, then it redownload again itself..15:15
xfade_TMavica: When downloading a file times out, it will refresh the repos and try again. The progress bar will divide the remaining files over the 100% range15:15
lainwir3dNice, didn't know that. I though it was starting all over again.15:16
xfade_So it doesn't actually download all the files it had already downloaded again.15:16
TMavicaok15:16
Stskeepstbr: http://releases.sailfishos.org/sources/sailfish-1.1.9.30-oss.tar.bz215:18
tbr*nod*15:19
Stskeepsnow with tbj too15:19
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tbrStskeeps: what's the GPL diff to .29?15:20
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Stskeepstbr: i need to check but i think it's a conf file15:21
tbrok15:21
lainwir3dupdate on the tablet finished much more quickly15:23
lainwir3dwoah, nice new usb mode switcher !!15:25
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HarhaanJohtajacant see statsu bar on 2.0.0.1015:27
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HarhaanJohtajaboot did not help15:27
Stskeepstbr: non-oss only delta (store client)15:27
tbrok15:28
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lainwir3dStore didn't detect that I had aptoide already installed15:28
lainwir3dI had to remove it and install again15:29
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ggabrieli wonder how much faster android graphics are now15:32
ggabrieland what the reviewers would say if it's significantly faster15:32
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lainwir3dhmm15:32
lainwir3dI'm not playing that much games15:32
lainwir3dCan't really voice an opinion :-(15:32
ggabrielshame on you :P15:32
HarhaanJohtajahad to do 2 reboots and after that status bar appeared15:33
lainwir3dwell, I have a hard time convincing myself to install android games15:33
lainwir3dwoah, too much tweets at once15:33
ggabrielin hindsight, having given the tablets to reviewers so early may have been counter productive since a) performance apparently wasn't optimised; b) jolla isn't selling tablets to the public just yet anyway; c) reviewers don't seem to bother to re-review after n software updates15:34
lainwir3dwell, it might be my imagination, but app opening does feel faster15:35
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lainwir3dyay, option to turn off / on screen when closing / opening the lastucase15:36
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lainwir3dI like the new settings page15:41
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lainwir3dxmpp account doesn't want to connect :-(15:52
lainwir3dWell well. Quite happy with the changes. Both with tablet & phone.15:56
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lainwir3d"National Trends Survey" results : Which are the most popular mobile platforms in France? => Sailfish is last :-( 1.47%15:58
lainwir3dEven Tizen (the ghost OS) is higher15:58
ggabrielrun the same thing in germany/finland/uk :P15:59
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Stskeeps1.47% is awesome16:00
Stskeeps:P16:00
ggabrieli was going to point that out as well... ultimately it's still a big number16:00
dr_gogeta86lainwir3d, in france tizen ?16:01
ggabrielsammy does great commercials16:01
dr_gogeta86in italy is unavaiable16:01
lainwir3ddr_gogeta86: oddly16:02
lainwir3ddon't know if you can see : http://benchmark.developereconomics.com/developer/DE1Q16/5627ba1e70125f2ecbe06f4616:03
lainwir3dwell probably16:03
TMavicahow to manual update in event?16:03
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cehtehif 1.47% are based on sold smartphones that would be absolutely awesome :D16:15
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* Armadillo is updating again17:22
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ArmadilloTweets are back yay :)17:22
r0kk3rzthe new actions menu is a bit weird17:23
r0kk3rzbut the quick-settings is nice17:24
Armadillono spoiler please :P17:24
r0kk3rzalthough distincly missing the 'presence' setting17:24
r0kk3rzspoiler? its not an episode of game of thrones :P17:24
Armadillo:D17:25
Hartzihmm my Jolla doesn't want to update to .30 :/ how I can check what is wrong?17:31
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Coolgeekit is only for early access user17:34
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YanielGame of Phones17:35
Armadillohmmm17:35
ArmadilloI removed the flight17:35
Armadillohow to add new shortcuts? :x17:35
Armadillo*flight mode17:36
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HartziCoolgeek: I meant that update fails17:38
HarhaanJohtajaArmadillo: settings - events - choose shortcuts17:39
HarhaanJohtajaor something like that17:39
HarhaanJohtajaphone is not in english17:39
Armadillothanks got it :)17:40
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Hartziokay found it. Screen tap shot prevented the update.. weird.17:54
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cehtehhttp://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Fairphone-2-Laeuft-auch-mit-Sailfish-OS-2853325.htm .. oh18:02
Sail0rin english https://www.fairphone.com/2015/10/22/jolla-community-working-on-sailfish-os-for-the-fairphone-2/18:04
cehteh:)18:07
NwSOhh a lot of announcements today18:08
NwSI guess I should wait for it :P18:08
cehtehwould be really good if sailfish would be available on more device .. and i mean stable/supported releases18:08
Sail0rwith dalvik18:09
cehtehor preferably more native apps :D18:09
Sail0ryeah but for some it's quite not realistic to get them18:12
Sail0rlike kindle app18:12
Sail0ror instant video18:13
Sail0ror tapatalk ^^18:13
Sail0rthe 3 apps left I use with android18:13
cehtehi dont have the jolla yet, lets see then what i'll use18:14
cehtehis there some list which apps are in the jolla store? i havent found one yet18:14
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Teguthere isn't one as far as I know :( unless someone has made one18:15
HarhaanJohtajaand not all apps are in the store18:15
Teguah yea, there's this openrepos.net. it's a wild west18:16
cehtehi dont have much demands, some osm maps with vector maps offlince (is there a native alternatvie to osmand?)18:16
cehteha *working* email client (the email client on the n900 was a desaster)18:16
cehtehsomething like fahrplan/öffi ...18:17
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cehtehsipphone, xmpp .. done18:17
Teguapparently, no native alternative to osmand. at least I have heard that people use osmand. I tend to use here maps (android)18:17
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cehtehif osmand works its ok18:17
noumethere is a native here maps app but it does not support tbt yet18:17
cehtehi liked monav on the n90018:17
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cehtehtbt?18:18
the_mgtthanks for the 2.0 update18:18
noumeturn by turn navigation18:18
cehtehnot? wtf :D18:18
noumeYou can use modrana for that18:18
noumeit has a native port and uses osm maps18:18
cehtehok i know modrana from then n900 times18:18
cehtehbut iirc that had only tile maps or?18:19
cehtehdunno that was years ago, it chrashed a lot too18:19
noumeyeh, pretty much but it does turn by turn navigation somehow18:19
cehtehwell then i prolly go with osmand18:19
noumeI wish it would support vector maps like osmand which works very good18:19
cehtehis sip/voip buildin into the telephony as it was on the n900?18:20
noumedoes not seem like it18:20
cehtehwell and for the buildin email client .. is imap idle supported?18:21
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cehtehi'll just see when it arrives :D18:22
Tegucehteh: here's some old dump of the app names (some are in finnish). never bothered to scrape more data. https://pastee.org/23grp18:26
Tegubecause the names alon may not really tell enough about anything. it would need descriptions and all that18:26
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Teguand some of those are android apps18:28
noumealso i could not find a native app for sip/rtp, cehteh18:28
chem|stcehteh: o/18:28
chem|stcehteh: you know you can pester me with anything in _the_ other channel any time ;)18:29
HarhaanJohtajasip is going to be integrated to accounts in some future update?18:29
chem|stHarhaanJohtaja: yes18:29
chem|stHarhaanJohtaja: from CLI it is kind of working18:29
chem|stthere is no call routing yet iirc (at least not properly) and the UI is missing18:30
chem|stcehteh: if you go with android anyway, there is HERE maps for android that is working just fine, for detailed maps I use oruxmaps (also android)18:32
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TofeUpdate at 99.99999%... nearly there...19:06
TofeDone!19:06
* kid is at it as well19:08
TofeLooking good! Another successful update :)19:08
kid1.1.9.30 is in and waiting for 2.0.0.10 to complete19:08
cehtehuhm .. 518 apps? seriously19:09
Hartziwhere?19:10
cehtehthe list Tegu pasted19:10
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Teguyea, something like that19:11
Teguit's a few months old19:11
cehtehi expected few more .. not massively more but around 1000-200019:11
cehtehis there a devel repo with experimental apps which didnt made it to the store yet like the n900 had?19:12
Teguopenrepos.net19:12
Hartziok19:12
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kidUse Wareshose from there: https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse-sailfishos19:13
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cehtehah19:13
Tofecehteh: you have to remember n900 uses X, and therefore could more easily port apps from standard linux stack. Here it's Wayland, it's not so direct19:14
cehtehno xwayland?19:14
cehtehat least emacs is there :D ... haha19:15
cehtehterminal only prolly .. but still19:15
TofeI didn't see any xwayland on Jolla, maybe I missed it19:15
cehteh(and unuseable with touch keyboard for sure)19:15
cehtehbut its there :)19:15
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TofeAh, guys, still this useless "upcoming events" that only lists the events of today... I hope it'll be changed in next update!19:16
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attahTofe: Not that i find it very *useful* but what is so useless about it?19:18
Tofeattah: It's useless as soon as the next event is tomorrow or after; people want to know what happens *next*, not what happens *today*, because for today, it's often already too late to get organized19:19
attahI guess that's true.. 24h in the future would probably be better19:19
TofeOr simply the next 5 events. It doesn't have to be something complicated.19:20
attahtrue19:20
kidme can haz Saimaa! :)19:21
attahBaaah! TAblet wifi goes in to slow-mode when screen shuts off even if the update is downloading19:21
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Tofeattah: plug in charger, I guess it should help19:22
attahIt has been in all the time19:22
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TofeAh, then it's just not smart. Reminds me of some Android-ish behavior.19:22
kimmolitablet wifi goes to sleep when display goes off19:23
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kimmoliblame intel power management (or something like that)19:24
kimmolienable the "keep display on while charging" and keep charger connected.19:24
kimmolior use mce-tool to disable blanking19:25
attahyeah... but it should "just work" (tm)19:25
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Teguoh wait, my dump had descriptions as well. sry for an ugly plaintext format but a pastebin was quickest https://pastee.org/h44xj19:29
Teguoh and apparently some of the descriptions are multiline. oops19:30
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attah[voicecall-ui] Correctly decode percent encoded tel URIs. <319:31
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r0kk3rzattah, only took them 6 months for a QML mod19:32
attah6?!19:32
attahmore like 1019:32
r0kk3rzor however long it was...19:32
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attahbtw.. that bug was even in the N9 (yes, really)19:32
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ivanplatzekjust installed Saimaa !19:33
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Teguhere's yet another dump. (still old data, sorry) this time with longer descriptions and android/sailfish separation https://aa23568ae0a9ffcdc8b05adb81e907ef9cba1c4c.htmlb.in  (I tried to use as suspicious and obscure host as possible. pastebin did not like html and plaintext was difficult to read)20:14
cehtehwell i dont mind that much, checking when i have the device20:23
cehtehi guess fdroid works well too?20:23
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Lieke_yeah, works fine20:29
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taaemwasn't there a community meeting today?20:56
kimmolino. moved.20:57
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r0kk3rztaaem: in case you havent already tried, the syncthing seems to work well on jolla, although crashes when it suspends21:17
taaemr0kk3rz: okay essentially the only thing i *could* do is writing a ui the other stuff would require a device. maybe i will look into it :)21:18
r0kk3rztaaem: UI isnt super required, the web-ui functions acceptably in the browser, which automatically launches21:19
r0kk3rzoccasionally some weird things happen with web-ui, but i'd more blame the browser i think21:20
taaemr0kk3rz: i never used the web ui in mobile :P21:20
r0kk3rzit scales ok21:20
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taaemfor the suspend, i think that would be managable via systemd but i don't know how that works on sailfish21:23
r0kk3rztaaem: systemd is pretty normal, need to diagnose exactly why its crashing in the first place21:25
r0kk3rzbut should be able to restart it automagically via systemd21:25
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taaemr0kk3rz: i think you could just stop it when it suspense and resume on waking up21:25
r0kk3rztaaem: yeah maybe21:26
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Teguhad to increase the font size of the clock.. it's too miniatyre. next would probably be to do something for the tiny signal and battery indicators21:45
ursoho, system update available21:46
urs2015-10-22 - 1.1.9.30 - Early access update to correct configurations to facilitate the update to 2.0.0.1021:47
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Teguyea, and 2.0.0.10 immediately after that21:48
Tegutwo updates within an hour21:48
SQUelcherurs: you're late21:48
ursmy phone is late!21:49
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SQUelcherurs: it maybe isn't the latest.21:49
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Teguhm, the scrolling background image seems to be gone as well (1.1.9)22:10
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